(iReaper) Benihime STEAM_0:0:50856523 10-02-13

[CYBER]

Name : Benhime (aka iReaper G0Dlike)
Steam id : STEAM_0:0:50856523
Banned by : Cyber (sorry bud:D)
Reason : Admitting of toggling walls on ibis servers.
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A0%3A50856523&Submit=


Similar case involving someone admitting hacks and backed up by Clan member ITB:
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/9529-milky-7-13-12-7-54-pm-EDT-STEAM_0-1-16774104?highlight=milky


Benhime has been my C.I (That's confidential informant for all u cop-show-ignorant-ppl) in game whenever he spots some weird shit... But as much as i hate
doing this, using ANY hacks on the ibis servers regardless of the intention is strictly prohibited.

And apparently Benhime has both aim and wallhacks INSTALLED and hacks on other servers. He vowed that he never used them in ibis, and that we would never find a demo of him doing so... but then he slipped and told me he toggled walls in game to spec another suspected hacker... And you can tell by the reaction that it wasn't a joke...


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continuation of image conversation above:
6:41 AM - ßSNìHí?S: honestly if i can prove this kids hacking i really dont care if i get banned not that im trying to but if that was something i should be
perma'd for dont you think its bad for a ula to hide that? (Cyber's comment NOW: that is true. that is why im posting this as we speak bud.)
ßSNìHí?S is now playing Counter-Strike: Source. Click here to join.
6:42 AM - Cyber ibis.a: but yeah... i wouldnt do that
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: ibis has a strict policy on hcaks
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: honestly?
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: we dont give a flying fuck if someone hacked on another server
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: we dont ban ppl for hacks even if we had a demo of them hacking somewhere else
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: god knows how many ppl hacked somewhere else in the day
6:43 AM - ßSNìHí?S: everyone
6:43 AM - ßSNìHí?S: lol
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: we do however perma ban ONLY (and i mean ONLY) if its done in ibis
6:43 AM - Cyber ibis.a: as simple as that
6:44 AM - Cyber ibis.a: this is how im able to talk to u about hacks in general
6:44 AM - ßSNìHí?S: does the demo have walls?
6:44 AM - Cyber ibis.a: but dont take me wrong , if u tried to turn on hacks in game (even to help like this case)
6:44 AM - Cyber ibis.a: its still a perma ban violation xD


Some other conversation we had:
ßSNìHí?S: I have hacks
ßSNìHí?S: I dont use them
ßSNìHí?S: But I have them
ßSNìHí?S: And trust me
Cyber ibis.a: i think evreyone does
ßSNìHí?S: You'd know if I used them
ßSNìHí?S: I have this
ßSNìHí?S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLAuyb2_gL4
Cyber ibis.a: whats this
ßSNìHí?S: Look at that youtube video
ßSNìHí?S: Enhanced aims "RageBot"
ßSNìHí?S: 70$ program


<speculation start>
Now i think we all know that THIS specific aimbot has yet to be seen in our servers by Benhime (although he's pulled some bs shots before, assuming you can tweak it to be more subtle,
but there's smthn that doesn't feel right and it's the fact that he called on a certain player and specifically mentionned "reduced humanized recoil + aim assist", and that it's "almost undetectable when they work together", and my personal finisher line " trust me, i would know" ....


So when someone has that knowledge about these hacks and is willing to pay the buck for a crappy ragebot (allegedly) which can be tweaked btw, wouldn't it be better to spend the money on this superior brand of hacks?
</ end speculation>


Personally i got nthn against benhime as he's been providing me with a few inside stories on some suspected hackers, but it's THIS comment that made me think that we shouldnt let him around:
(paraphrasing, but brett has the full conversation stored in a mail):
Benhime: "No matter how long you watch me, or demo me, you will never find any proof of me hacking on ibis" ....
Personally i see it as being confident that he wont be caught if he were to use the hacks that HE ALREADY HAS TOGGLE-READY.


Good Guy Benhime dropped me a few names of people he knows hack, or is almost sure they hack,
and let this be a warning to that list of people:

You're next.
http://th275.photobucket.com/albums/jj318/mike_16_photo/th_1181606555221.gif
ps: I REALLY must thank BALTO ibis.a for pointing me in the right direction towards benhime and some other people.
I wouldn't have been stubborn enough to go through with it without ya.

[brett friggin favre]

well...yep.

based on precedent, this should be perma.

[Erdenay]

Yargh.

[Wolfenstinger]

Purple Pancakes with Gum Drop Button
AkA - GG

[inneruniverse435]

It's painfully obvious how much Cyber has either altered, or intentionally laid out a fraction of a conversation leading to something being thrown very far out of context. When dealing with only text on a screen, situations are very easily misconstrued and he is trying to take advantage of that fully.

He has never admitted even one time using a hack in IBIS, but merely attempting to get a understanding to a situation that was clearly impossible by a fellow player by joining spectator on very rare occasions as this minimal amount of conversation would suggest. As you could most likely respect, the best way to catch a criminal is to be a criminal, as history would show this is true even on Counter Strike. In almost every piece of Cybers so called evidence he not only apologized for having to use the hacks but also had substantial amount of evidence supporting his logic and reasoning and proceeded to turn them off before playing once more on your servers.

There has clearly been not a single demo or anything that could possibly be deemed so much as even temp ban worthy based on the (what I would considering to be almost embarrassing to post) little amount of information that has been shown here. Not to mention how easily I could photoshop any one of you into admitting you have hacks, I can't say this lack of information is to even be trusted.

I would think this would be embarrassing for your reputation to even be considering this let alone implementing.

Regards,
InnerUniverse435

[brett friggin favre]

It's painfully obvious how much Cyber has either altered, or intentionally laid out a fraction of a conversation leading to something being thrown very far out of context. When dealing with only text on a screen, situations are very easily misconstrued and he is trying to take advantage of that fully.

He has never admitted even one time using a hack in IBIS, but merely attempting to get a understanding to a situation that was clearly impossible by a fellow player by joining spectator on very rare occasions as this minimal amount of conversation would suggest. As you could most likely respect, the best way to catch a criminal is to be a criminal, as history would show this is true even on Counter Strike. In almost every piece of Cybers so called evidence he not only apologized for having to use the hacks but also had substantial amount of evidence supporting his logic and reasoning and proceeded to turn them off before playing once more on your servers.

There has clearly been not a single demo or anything that could possibly be deemed so much as even temp ban worthy based on the (what I would considering to be almost embarrassing to post) little amount of information that has been shown here. Not to mention how easily I could photoshop any one of you into admitting you have hacks, I can't say this lack of information is to even be trusted.

I would think this would be embarrassing for your reputation to even be considering this let alone implementing.

Regards,
InnerUniverse435

with no due respect mistral, you trying to bail beni out here doesn't exactly help his case. you're accusing an upper level admin of manipulating evidence. if cyber was gonna do something like that, believe me he would've done it looong before now, and a lot more people would be banned based off of "doctored" steam conversations. like...fuck i'd probably be banned if cyber had a proclivity of doctoring steam conversations.

[inneruniverse435]

There is no disrespect to be given, this is merely to be contested. I'm simply stating facts about this situation, and no accusations were made, but merely more options to consider. The facts still remain that nothing has been done to affect IBIS in any way, shape, or form. Can anyone really contest that?

[CYBER]

It's painfully obvious how much Cyber has either altered, or intentionally laid out a fraction of a conversation leading to something being thrown very far out of context. When dealing with only text on a screen, situations are very easily misconstrued and he is trying to take advantage of that fully.

He has never admitted even one time using a hack in IBIS, but merely attempting to get a understanding to a situation that was clearly impossible by a fellow player by joining spectator on very rare occasions as this minimal amount of conversation would suggest. As you could most likely respect, the best way to catch a criminal is to be a criminal, as history would show this is true even on Counter Strike. In almost every piece of Cybers so called evidence he not only apologized for having to use the hacks but also had substantial amount of evidence supporting his logic and reasoning and proceeded to turn them off before playing once more on your servers.

There has clearly been not a single demo or anything that could possibly be deemed so much as even temp ban worthy based on the (what I would considering to be almost embarrassing to post) little amount of information that has been shown here. Not to mention how easily I could photoshop any one of you into admitting you have hacks, I can't say this lack of information is to even be trusted.

I would think this would be embarrassing for your reputation to even be considering this let alone implementing.

Regards,
InnerUniverse435


i didnt manipulate the chat, everything was copy pasted into a text file, and many chats were given out to ulas and clan members during the conversations themselves.
The only reason why the rest is in text its bcos its fucking tedious as fuck to get screen caps of EVERYTHING on steam.
now, if u wanna be a dick about it , im pretty sure that conversations STORE on iphone steam right? So if i went there and started screen capping some random shit said on steam, would i still be able to modify those , buddy? >_<

That being said, the hacks ADMITTANCE was not in a text file, it's in a screenshot picture (and i damn well made sure it was a screenshot and not text) to confirm credibility. Not to mention that the other ulas and clan members have copied text of the entire conversation DURING the conversation, copy pasted each time smthn was added... it would be down right impossible for me to edit out some parts right now to post a thread and still be synchronized with all the shit i sent out already.

he admitted to turning the hacks on IN IBIS... whether he used htem or not, i dnt care. but that just means that he has them accessible in ibis and easily toggled on and off... how do u expect me to just "let that go" and be sure he will never use them in game while playing too ?

and honestly? why would i need to go that far? im just doing my job, i have no personal vendetta against benhime and we're cool as far as daily life goes... so please mistral, know ur facts before u speculate and claim it as facts.

[brett friggin favre]

There is no disrespect to be given, this is merely to be contested. I'm simply stating facts about this situation, and no accusations were made, but merely more options to consider. The facts still remain that nothing has been done to affect IBIS in any way, shape, or form. Can anyone really contest that?

he has admitted to having a hacking program, to using it, and to activating it while on ibis servers. allow me to quote the rules:

"I. Hacking
2) The use of a program or textures or settings to see though walls
A) wall hacks, prefire, esp"

just the use, the act of activating such a program is considered hacking and is a perma bannable offense, whether done in spec or in-game.

[inneruniverse435]

Any human being who has access to CSS has access to an internet bowser as well as google. This allows any player to have "accessibility" to a hack. I was at his house moments ago when you said and I quote "I've wanted this for a long time" That sounds very personal, I know more about this situation than you think Cyber.

[Carmichal]

Tbh this evidence is mostly circumstantial. Is he dumb? Yes. He should of pulled the demo and used that. Tradition has been to use demos as proof and there is none. And he used it in spec not as a means to cheat. Dumb? Yes. Ban him? No. I think clan should handle this.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Any human being who has access to CSS has access to an internet bowser as well as google. This allows any player to have "accessibility" to a hack.

Semantics won't help ya here bud

[CYBER]

Any human being who has access to CSS has access to an internet bowser as well as google. This allows any player to have "accessibility" to a hack. I was at his house moments ago when you said and I quote "I've wanted this for a long time" That sounds very personal, I know more about this situation than you think Cyber.

oh dude dont take me wrong.
Banning Benhime gives me cheer joy because, indeed, i wanted to do that long time ago... AS AN ADMIN vs A HACKER. not as Cyber vs Benihime...
As much as i hate to admit it ,,, i kinda liked the fucker in the last few days we talked... and i know he enjoyed our chats too...


Heck, you're next on my list, and im still gonna enjoy banning you, and a few other ppl that will slip one day.
THat doesn't mean that i would want to fake conversations, i dont need to, im not that low. I just took the opportunity to screencap what he told me , just in case, discussed it among ppl live, and was asked the next day to carry out a ban due to the proof collected.

As simple as that.

[brett friggin favre]

Tbh this evidence is mostly circumstantial. Is he dumb? Yes. He should of pulled the demo and used that. Tradition has been to use demos as proof and there is none. And he used it in spec not as a means to cheat. Dumb? Yes. Ban him? No. I think clan should handle this.

clan will have the final say as always, but spasm did give his blessing based off of the admission of turning them on in the server alone. still have that conversation open if necessary but i'm sure he'll post here tomorrow.

not to mention the precedent linked by cyber to one of my previous bans based solely off of a steam confession, which inthebutt made perma.

[inneruniverse435]

Cyber, I would severely question any validity of this, you claim providing sufficient proof is "tedious" or potentially difficult, I say you're wrong. I believe you have altered a lot during these encounters, but just like you, I can't prove anything, so I won't speculate. Benihime has done no wrong, or damage, banning someone with literally no evidence still goes against this clans integrity.

[CYBER]

Cyber, I would severely question any validity of this, you claim providing sufficient proof is "tedious" or potentially difficult, I say you're wrong. I believe you have altered a lot during these encounters, but just like you, I can't prove anything, so I won't speculate. Benihime has done no wrong, or damage, banning someone with literally no evidence still goes against this clans integrity.

ya know what? say wtvr shit u want.
I've been doing this for soo long it stopped being funny (well.. mostly).

I will ask everyone 1 question, do we believe the upper level admin Cyber who's been doing his job the RIGHT way? and backed by screenshots, text caps, copy pasted conversations live, another ULA, and Clanners? is he credible?

or do we chose to believe 2 iReaper NEIGHBOURS who are on the spot, caught red handed.

Especially since both of them have been suspected of hacking by many many players? including some ulas and some other clanners?

Now lets see who ppl believe? I wonder....

edit: i know i sound full of myself (well.. i am) but its just to prove a point. I have no reason to lose my LONG-built credibility over the likes of them. As simple as that.

[Dj panda]

This reminds me of the fluffy thread, it cannot be a perma ban Because as long as we dont have proof that he used it on our server we cannot ban him.

[Assassin]

Just let the clan deal with it. I believe some kind of censure should happen...I don't know what though. Hence why I'm not clan.

[Spasm]

This reminds me of the fluffy thread, it cannot be a perma ban Because as long as we dont have proof that he used it on our server we cannot ban him.

This has nothing to do with fluffy as fluffy never came out and said he was using he hacks, he was just being accused of them on other sites. Mistral and Benihme have been problems on the wcs server for a while now. Both were caught blatantly level farming and Benihime being an admin. I was being told of this conversation anyways and the dude straight up admitted to hacking on our servers. Cyber doesn't give enough shit to try and mod a screenshot to get someone banned. Permaban imo and it was what I will vote. Closed.

[ZERO]

Where is the proof this was in our servers? You also say he was being used to help detect hacks...

There is also a lot of missing information here...

Lastly the bans for people admitting to hacks has been in cases where said users were encouraging the use of hacks on the servers and trying to spread / distribute them.

In context I see references to hacks being used to make claims against an alleged actual hacker on the server.

We need some more information here.

[Nemesis]

If anyone remembers the Ike situation, that was similar to this, but the difference was he admitted it while he was on the server, and was using them at the time of playing. Therefore there was proof of him using hacks on the server. This, on the other hand, lacks context, and while we all know Cyber is an upstanding member of the community and has never shown any indications of abuse, it's unfortunately not good enough.

We don't care if players hack in other games or other servers, we care about what they do here. We also require demos of them hacking in our server, and while a demo of them hacking somewhere else is great added evidence, it's not enough to warrant a permanent ban on it's own.

A steam chat is also not enough to go off of as there are too many unknown variables. Could I not change my steam name to "thecat|ibis.a" open a chat with another admin and admit to hacking and beastiality? Now I know Cyber wouldn't do something like this, but what happens when someone with less credibility makes a similar post? One where we may not know the intentions of the individual as well as we do here. As was said before, I believe this sets a bad president and as Cyber referenced previous cases, so could this be referenced next time.

Cyber, is there any way to get the demo of the actions in question? because then it would save a lot of muddy water in the process.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

We don't care if players hack in other games or other servers, we care about what they do here. We also require demos of them hacking in our server, and while a demo of them hacking somewhere else is great added evidence, it's not enough to warrant a permanent ban on it's own.



not true. there was the guy in WCS a while ago, related to NYS or Dual i think, who hacked in some previous game, and thus they got him banned.

[Nemesis]

not true. there was the guy in WCS a while ago, related to NYS or Dual i think, who hacked in some previous game, and thus they got him banned.

That's because they were clan members and abused their power. If you or me tried to do that we'd be told to find proof of it on our server.

[What]

Well Cyber did say he has more of the conversation, but if Benhime did give the name and time of the hacker he tested with his hacks, then there should be a demo somewhere.

[brett friggin favre]

Where is the proof this was in our servers? You also say he was being used to help detect hacks...

There is also a lot of missing information here...

Lastly the bans for people admitting to hacks has been in cases where said users were encouraging the use of hacks on the servers and trying to spread / distribute them.

In context I see references to hacks being used to make claims against an alleged actual hacker on the server.

We need some more information here.

in the conversation that begins in the screenshot of the steam convo, he's referring to an incident wherein he turned his wallhacks on while in our wcs server to see if another player was hacking. that's why cyber goes on to tell him that people get banned for turning them on. from that we get this:

1. he admits to having hacks
2. he admits to being able to toggle them on and off very simply
3. he admits to turning them on in our server

i'm going to quote the rules again here, and explain my interpretation below:

I. Hacking
2) The use of a program or textures or settings to see though walls
A) wall hacks, prefire, esp


the rule simply states that using a program to allow a user to see through walls is considered hacking. no mention is made of the circumstances in which the hacks are used, nothing states that the user must use them in order to kill another player, nothing states that he has to use it while not in spectate, nothing states that he has to have malicious intent towards the server or other players. the rule solely states that using such a program at all is hacking. also, in the precedent case linked by cyber, i made a ban on milky solely off the fact that he admitted to turning on wallhacks in ibis servers. to quote ITB: "yeah it doesn't matter if he just "tested" it out. Hacks are hacks and unacceptable here in IBIS." if we can perma ban a guy for just testing his hacks in our servers, surely we can perma ban him for checking someone with them.

1. benihime says his aimbot is virtually undetectable and he knows this for a fact
2. he can toggle them on and off at any time, same with his walls
3. he admits to having done it on at least one occasion

you have to keep in mind that the only reason it's gotten to this point is that cyber has been watching this guy for wallhacks since day 1. to quote spasm, a good waller will never be caught. this guy's good. he knows what he's doing. he toggles to create inconsistency, which makes the "kinda wally" moments look more like luck. i personally had several demos which included such moments but lost them when my computer crashed. the reason a ban was never made before now is because he is very good at hiding it. when he comes out and admits that he had no problem turning them on in the blink of an eye, didn't show any hesitation, tells me it's certainly not the first time he's done it, and it wouldn't be the last in all likelihood. it confirms our suspicions, it's not just a random comment out of nowhere. if you're watching someone for walls for a year, thinking dammit i know he walls but i can't make it stick...then he admits to using them...it's a no brainer in my book.

i also note some inconsistencies from beni that imply guilt. this line "ßSNìHí?S: You'd know if I used them" conflicts with part of another conversation he had with cyber (and also in a conversation with me personally) wherein he states that it can be tweaked to be undetectable, saying "trust me, i would know...". he says that it would be obvious one second, the other he says that it would be undetectable. that deceit implies guilt. this line too "6:41 AM - ßSNìHí?S: honestly if i can prove this kids hacking i really dont care if i get banned not that im trying to but if that was something i should be perma'd for dont you think its bad for a ula to hide that?" as noted in cyber's original post. again says he used them in our servers, and that it would be bad for a ula to hide it for that reason.

[Nemesis]

in the conversation that begins in the screenshot of the steam convo, he's referring to an incident wherein he turned his wallhacks on while in our wcs server to see if another player was hacking. that's why cyber goes on to tell him that people get banned for turning them on. from that we get this:

1. he admits to having hacks
2. he admits to being able to toggle them on and off very simply
3. he admits to turning them on in our server

i'm going to quote the rules again here, and explain my interpretation below:

I. Hacking
2) The use of a program or textures or settings to see though walls
A) wall hacks, prefire, esp


the rule simply states that using a program to allow a user to see through walls is considered hacking. no mention is made of the circumstances in which the hacks are used, nothing states that the user must use them in order to kill another player, nothing states that he has to use it while not in spectate, nothing states that he has to have malicious intent towards the server or other players. the rule solely states that using such a program at all is hacking. also, in the precedent case linked by cyber, i made a ban on milky solely off the fact that he admitted to turning on wallhacks in ibis servers. to quote ITB: "yeah it doesn't matter if he just "tested" it out. Hacks are hacks and unacceptable here in IBIS." if we can perma ban a guy for just testing his hacks in our servers, surely we can perma ban him for checking someone with them.

1. benihime says his aimbot is virtually undetectable and he knows this for a fact
2. he can toggle them on and off at any time, same with his walls
3. he admits to having done it on at least one occasion

you have to keep in mind that the only reason it's gotten to this point is that cyber has been watching this guy for wallhacks since day 1. to quote spasm, a good waller will never be caught. this guy's good. he knows what he's doing. he toggles to create inconsistency, which makes the "kinda wally" moments look more like luck. i personally had several demos which included such moments but lost them when my computer crashed. the reason a ban was never made before now is because he is very good at hiding it. when he comes out and admits that he had no problem turning them on in the blink of an eye, didn't show any hesitation, tells me it's certainly not the first time he's done it, and it wouldn't be the last in all likelihood. it confirms our suspicions, it's not just a random comment out of nowhere. if you're watching someone for walls for a year, thinking dammit i know he walls but i can't make it stick...then he admits to using them...it's a no brainer in my book.

Excellent description of the rule, and I agree with you 100% on all that. And you're right; a good hacker won't be caught, until he makes a mistake. Same thing with criminals, you don't catch the really good ones, that's why jails are filled with black people.

You know he's hacking, Cyber knows he's hacking and I know it, yet we still need proof. We taut an infallible rule system here that is referenced on a daily basis, yet now something that doesn't fit quite right and we're throwing the whole thing out? That's wrong and at that point might as well delete the rules and just let people who are "trustworthy" make the decisions as they see fit, without guidelines. see how that works out.

You don't alter the system to fit your conditions, you alter your conditions to fit the system. Want to ban the guy? Get the demo. Demo was deleted when your computer crashed? Better luck next time.

[brett friggin favre]

Excellent description of the rule, and I agree with you 100% on all that. And you're right; a good hacker won't be caught, until he makes a mistake. Same thing with criminals, you don't catch the really good ones, that's why jails are filled with black people.

You know he's hacking, Cyber knows he's hacking and I know it, yet we still need proof. We taut an infallible rule system here that is referenced on a daily basis, yet now something that doesn't fit quite right and we're throwing the whole thing out? That's wrong and at that point might as well delete the rules and just let people who are "trustworthy" make the decisions as they see fit, without guidelines. see how that works out.

You don't alter the system to fit your conditions, you alter your conditions to fit the system. Want to ban the guy? Get the demo. Demo was deleted when your computer crashed? Better luck next time.

cyber and i aren't altering any rules. we're operating off of precedent. ITB's perma ban on milky set this precedent, that admission of guilt is enough for a perma ban. no rule states that demos must be posted, it's traditional but some cases have extenuating circumstances and those need to be considered. also from zero's post on the links to demos page, "These demos are acceptable as evidence for reporting admin abuse and hackers." the demos are acceptable, not mandatory. there is no rule being changed, no rule being ignored, no rule being created by any of this.

there's also this thread ( http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/8066-tehfudge-1-21-11-5pm-EST-STEAM_0-1-32404257?highlight=tehfudge ) in which it seems to me the ban was made not after watching a demo (as no ULA posted) but from the admittance that he was bhop scripting. and that's not even walls, just a bhop script. fudge admitted to it, and maynard (another clan member) banned him. if the demo i provided was watched and that's why the user was banned, then this particular case can be ignored but it appears to me that maynard banned solely off the admittance of bhop scripting.

[Nemesis]

cyber and i aren't altering any rules. we're operating off of precedent. ITB's perma ban on milky set this precedent, that admission of guilt is enough for a perma ban. no rule states that demos must be posted, it's traditional but some cases have extenuating circumstances and those need to be considered. also from zero's post on the links to demos page, "These demos are acceptable as evidence for reporting admin abuse and hackers." the demos are acceptable, not mandatory. there is no rule being changed, no rule being ignored, no rule being created by any of this.

there's also this thread ( http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/8066-tehfudge-1-21-11-5pm-EST-STEAM_0-1-32404257?highlight=tehfudge ) in which it seems to me the ban was made not after watching a demo (as no ULA posted) but from the admittance that he was bhop scripting. and that's not even walls, just a bhop script. fudge admitted to it, and maynard (another clan member) banned him. if the demo i provided was watched and that's why the user was banned, then this particular case can be ignored but it appears to me that maynard banned solely off the admittance of bhop scripting.

"YOU MUST ATTACH a DEMO." Zero's exact words from the "how to post a ban" in the Admin perma-ban request section. And if this is the case I can post a steam chat message that says anything from anyone, and they will immediately be banned without question, as the rules apply to everyone equally, or do they not?

[brett friggin favre]

"YOU MUST ATTACH a DEMO." Zero's exact words from the "how to post a ban" in the Admin perma-ban request section. And if this is the case I can post a steam chat message that says anything from anyone, and they will immediately be banned without question, as the rules apply to everyone equally, or do they not?

if you finish the sentence, "YOU MUST ATTACH a DEMO. Not link to the ftp it must be attached." i take that to mean he's just reinforcing the fact that you can't link to the ftp for your demo. i take that to mean the assumption is that demos will be attached in all cases, and that those must be attached, and not just linked to, but as i said before some cases are different. regardless, there is precedent that admittance of hacking is enough for a perma ban.

and in regards to your comment about posting steam conversations, no. context must be considred, credibility must be established, and screenshot evidence is also a must.

[Nemesis]

if you finish the sentence, "YOU MUST ATTACH a DEMO. Not link to the ftp it must be attached." i take that to mean he's just reinforcing the fact that you can't link to the ftp for your demo. i take that to mean the assumption is that demos will be attached in all cases, and that those must be attached, and not just linked to, but as i said before some cases are different. regardless, there is precedent that admittance of hacking is enough for a perma ban.

and in regards to your comment about posting steam conversations, no. context must be considred, credibility must be established, and screenshot evidence is also a must.


if you finish the sentence, "YOU MUST ATTACH a DEMO. Not link to the ftp it must be attached." i take that to mean he's just reinforcing the fact that you can't link to the ftp for your demo. i take that to mean the assumption is that demos will be attached in all cases, and that those must be attached, and not just linked to, but as i said before some cases are different. regardless, there is precedent that admittance of hacking is enough for a perma ban.

and in regards to your comment about posting steam conversations, no. context must be considred, credibility must be established, and screenshot evidence is also a must.

The main problem I have with everything you just said is that each comment started with "I take that to mean..." which means that's not what it says, not rather what you think it says. The meaning can therefore change from person to person, according to you. If that's the care I can just as easily interpret Hacking as having to use it with malice and against another person, which is totally the opposite of what you said before, and since apparently the rules mean nothing now, I'm right. The whole point of having rules is that they are infallible and are worded and understood as to prevent any kind of misinterpretation.

Could you please give me the links to the past threads where this has happened? I'd like to take a look. As I said before, when I banned another admin for this I was told I had to have proof of him hacking in server.

Also there will be a screenshot tomorrow(or at some point) that reads the following:

Brett Favre|ibis.a: Hello everyone, I currently play on IBIS servers while using hacking programs for my own benefit. I also enjoy Carrottop's comedy.
Nemesis|ibis.a: That is a sad fact but thank you for telling us, we'll be in touch.

I could then post a thread here and provide the exact evidence that is given here, it will carry the exact same weight and fall under the exact same rule definition, by all accounts you should receive a ban within a day.

Do you see what I'm getting at? There has to be a standard. There has to be the same standards for all admins. You and Cyber should have to provide the exact same evidence as thecat to get a ban. Are you telling me that if tomorrow that little cunt comes in here with a screenshot or some random shit you're going to support a ban without any form of confirmation? I hope not.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

sadly, i'm going to have to agree w/ nem on this one, though i do think benihime should be immediately perma banned, i do not think that it is a good idea to do so based soley on a steam conversation with cyber. i'm not saying cyber is lieing, far from it. i fully belive him, and i fully believe benihime did in fact admit to hacking on ibis servers. BUT...if we let this happen now, it'll allow people an easy way to ban others "for cause" by just messing w/ their names and screenshotting "admittance" convos...yet i still want this cunt banned.

:sigh: there is no point in anyone else posting here. this is soley for zero and clan to decide.

[brett friggin favre]

sadly, i'm going to have to agree w/ nem on this one, though i do think benihime should be immediately perma banned, i do not think that it is a good idea to do so based soley on a steam conversation with cyber. i'm not saying cyber is lieing, far from it. i fully belive him, and i fully believe benihime did in fact admit to hacking on ibis servers. BUT...if we let this happen now, it'll allow people an easy way to ban others "for cause" by just messing w/ their names and screenshotting "admittance" convos...yet i still want this cunt banned.

:sigh: there is no point in anyone else posting here. this is soley for zero and clan to decide.

except to say this: don't turn this into a snowball fallacy. this isn't some new thing, this is based off precedent. it's been done before, and there's been no rash of bans made off of steam conversations.

[Nemesis]

except to say this: don't turn this into a snowball fallacy. this isn't some new thing, this is based off precedent. it's been done before, and there's been no rash of bans made off of steam conversations.

That's not what a snowball fallacy is. Snowball fallacy claims that, if you take one step in a certain direction, you will get yourself into a series of sticky situations from which you will be unable to extricate yourself. You take one step onto the slippery slope and you'll end up falling all the way down. This fallacy ignores treats all similar situations the same and fails to note that we are free to assess and judge each particular situation independently, if we so choose Basically what you're doing.

What you're doing is creating case law, which is a real thing and which is fine, if it can be even and equally applied to all situations. What I'm trying to show you is that if it is ok this time, it will be ok for all times, regardless of who is bringing it forward, unless you can get someone higher up to come out and say that the rules only apply to specific people, or to specific people more than others.

If you're saying that each situation show be regarded by who is presenting it rather than what is provided, please delete this thread(http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/495-General-Server-Rules-1.7) as it no longer means anything and should not be used to confuse new admins. Also consider changing the admin agreement to "It doesn't matter what you say, only who you are." This should help with further disagreements.

[Erdenay]

Just throw in one thing - these 2 people have already been banned for level farming. I'd say their credibility is next to none. Add this along with the fact that numerous admins have been on their tail for a while now with the evidence here. Just putting it out there.

[Nemesis]

Just throw in one thing - these 2 people have already been banned for level farming. I'd say their credibility is next to none. Add this along with the fact that numerous admins have been on their tail for a while now with the evidence here. Just putting it out there.

you were banned by the people of the server. Everyone must hate you because you're black.

[Spasm]

"Closing threads early still?

"This has nothing to do with fluffy as fluffy never came out and said he was using he hacks, he was just being accused of them on other sites. Mistral and Benihme have been problems on the wcs server for a while now. Both were caught blatantly level farming and Benihime being an admin. I was being told of this conversation anyways and the dude straight up admitted to hacking on our servers. Cyber doesn't give enough shit to try and mod a screenshot to get someone banned. Permaban imo and it was what I will vote. Closed."


Between you and Cyber, I'm not sure who's trying to twist stories more, are we in high school? I received a grand total of 1000-2000 xp, if you recall. I see players feed 10x that in one game by breaking rules they already know, this alleged farm where we were just fooling around.

You're mad because you deserve to be banned, and I had over 10 instances where I blatantly caught you hacking and sent a replay in. You're using a biased opinion and invariably you're mad about past situations that were massively exaggerated by none other than you.

There is one language we all speak and that's money, I'll talk to Zero and see if he's okay with this level of behavior from his admins at all given times. From the day I entered I could hardly stand being in the server simply because of the power hungry admins on a 10 year old game. I merely tolerated it because Benihime wanted me to tool some complete newbs with him. His admins behavior affects his ability to profit and I doubt he will allow this kind of behavior to continue for long, even if Benihime is still banned, I'm sure things will change soon. "

Mistral his friend to me in a PM after I closed this thread. I could careless if we ban them, they both are fucking trouble, both have been suspected of hacking without any steam chat etc, both have been blatantly caught level farming. Fuck them, do what you want ZERO.

Would also like to point out that an unban thread could have been made instead of reopening this one; isn't that how all ban threads are handled, that way other people can vote on it as well? Given that they already have a reputation of breaking rules and bad attitudes IMO the steamchat is enough to ban but maybe other clan or ULA don't think so.

[XX0wnsXY]

Well i need to ponder on this. My first instinct is to agree with all of nemesis' points.

But there is just one question that is bothering me...why would benehime turning on his walls help at all to determine if a player is hacking? I mean..ive never used walls so im not sure if im missing a point, but...then you have to ask, even if it did help....whats the problem with watching a demo in wireframe? Benehime surely knows how to do that.

Edit: read the convo again and got then sense that it was used in spec....which would let him see....however, wireframe.

Also, why would you be using benehime as an informant? Benehime was caught level farming, not hacking..so in your mind, what use would he be to you other than to blow smoke up your ass?

[brett friggin favre]

if you would take into consideration demos from other communities. got one right here. attaching it, and linking to the thread ( http://hellsgamers.com/topic/73884-please-ban-this-hacker/ )

the demo shows obvious multi-hack, walls and aimbot. the kicker? he's wearing his ibis.a tag, and ireaper tag.

[XX0wnsXY]

Alright im going to go ahead and vote yes on this.

First of all, i was unaware this was handled by other clan members before...

Also, Watching this demo..they are undeniably hacks. Mistral, IMO is hacking, which doesn't fare well for benehime since they sometimes share accounts. I say get rid of both of these assholes.

[Assassin]

The evidence does seem to support a boot to the ass. Whether or not nem agrees.

[jwtemp]

My opinion matters for shit, and I recognize that, but I'm sitting at work, avoiding work, so I decided I'd just put my two cents in here.

Don't know either of these guys, but what I do know is a hacker is a hacker is a hacker. Hack in one place, you do it other places. I understand the need for spot on proof/evidence of hacking, otherwise you can easily find yourself in the midst of a witch hunt, but in this case we have solid evidence, in the form of admission from the user himself and demos of his hacks on another server.

That should be proof enough. Ban this guy and be done with it. If you don't, you're basically saying 'If you're a good enough hacker to hack without getting caught, come play on IBIS!'

[CYBER]

Well i need to ponder on this. My first instinct is to agree with all of nemesis' points. But there is just one question that is bothering me...why would benehime turning on his walls help at all to determine if a player is hacking? I mean..ive never used walls so im not sure if im missing a point, but...then you have to ask, even if it did help....whats the problem with watching a demo in wireframe? Benehime surely knows how to do that.Edit: read the convo again and got then sense that it was used in spec....which would let him see....however, wireframe.Also, why would you be using benehime as an informant? Benehime was caught level farming, not hacking..so in your mind, what use would he be to you other than to blow smoke up your ass?
I was using benihime as an informant to try to get close to him and mistral. We've been onto him and mistral for a while now so i told brett that i'm gonna try to get close to these people and constantly ask them about other people. Now we ALL know they hack, so whenever he pointed me at someone from his point of view, with his hacking 'expertise' as he would refer to it, then i would write that shit down.

I never expected that this plan of mine would actually get a blunt confession out of him, brett and I's initial go was the good cop bad cop routine and try to put up benihime against mistral and vice versa. When he confessed to toggling walls on IBIS grounds, i made sure to ask around clanners before taking any action.

And here we are. Keep in mind that what tom and spasm said is relevent: both of them were level farming TOGETHER, and BOTH of them are suspected of HACKING, not just one, and BOTH of them are neighbours who shared the same IP ADDRESS, and BOTH of them haven played on eachothers' account for more that a douzen times... So if anything this should address the integrity of both players, and how much they are willing to cover for eachother since they did that in farming, and now in hacking... If anything, we will never know when they are sharing accounts, its the haxor and cheesay case all over again... And we all know and agreed that there was only 1 solution that ever worked for this case, even when given many chances

This is addressed to zero, the ban was not out of the blue, there has been multiple accounts of bullshit from these 2, when the rare opportunity gave us this lemon, ima gonna squash the fuck out of it for that lemon juice. As simple as that.

[XX0wnsXY]

I was using benihime as an informant to try to get close to him and mistral. We've been onto him and mistral for a while now so i told brett that i'm gonna try to get close to these people and constantly ask them about other people. Now we ALL know they hack, so whenever he pointed me at someone from his point of view, with his hacking 'expertise' as he would refer to it, then i would write that shit down.

I never expected that this plan of mine would actually get a blunt confession out of him, brett and I's initial go was the good cop bad cop routine and try to put up benihime against mistral and vice versa. When he confessed to toggling walls on IBIS grounds, i made sure to ask around clanners before taking any action.

And here we are. Keep in mind that what tom and spasm said is relevent: both of them were level farming TOGETHER, and BOTH of them are suspected of HACKING, not just one, and BOTH of them are neighbours who shared the same IP ADDRESS, and BOTH of them haven played on eachothers' account for more that a douzen times... So if anything this should address the integrity of both players, and how much they are willing to cover for eachother since they did that in farming, and now in hacking... If anything, we will never know when they are sharing accounts, its the haxor and cheesay case all over again... And we all know and agreed that there was only 1 solution that ever worked for this case, even when given many chances

This is addressed to zero, the ban was not out of the blue, there has been multiple accounts of bullshit from these 2, when the rare opportunity gave us this lemon, ima gonna squash the fuck out of it for that lemon juice. As simple as that.

alright, good work. I skimmed the thread at first and didn't have all the information. My vote has been cast and I am forever closing this in my mind, LOL. I guess all we need now is Zero's input on all of this. Great work, detective.

[Carmichal]

I was using benihime as an informant to try to get close to him and mistral. We've been onto him and mistral for a while now so i told brett that i'm gonna try to get close to these people and constantly ask them about other people. Now we ALL know they hack, so whenever he pointed me at someone from his point of view, with his hacking 'expertise' as he would refer to it, then i would write that shit down.

I never expected that this plan of mine would actually get a blunt confession out of him, brett and I's initial go was the good cop bad cop routine and try to put up benihime against mistral and vice versa. When he confessed to toggling walls on IBIS grounds, i made sure to ask around clanners before taking any action.

And here we are. Keep in mind that what tom and spa
sm said is relevent: both of them were level farming TOGETHER, and BOTH of them are suspected of HACKING, not just one, and BOTH of them are neighbours who shared the same IP ADDRESS, and BOTH of them haven played on eachothers' account for more that a douzen times... So if anything this should address the integrity of both players, and how much they are willing to cover for eachother since they did that in farming, and now in hacking... If anything, we will never know when they are sharing accounts, its the haxor and cheesay case all over again... And we all know and agreed that there was only 1 solution that ever worked for this case, even when given many chances

This is addressed to zero, the ban was not out of the blue, there has been multiple accounts of bullshit from these 2, when the rare opportunity gave us this lemon, ima gonna squash the fuck out of it for that lemon juice. As simple as that.

You and Brett should just fuck eachother all ready. Biggest butt buddies ever I say. Bromance to the nth power. Yeah I call bullshit on this getting close plan to be the thing from the start since it contradicts almost everything you said in the first post and is as believable as porn acting but well whatever you did worked I guess congrats.

[jwtemp]

http://v016o.popscreen.com/U014U09Zc21HcjQx_o_soup-clip-rrrrrr-brian-williams.jpg

[CYBER]

alright, good work. I skimmed the thread at first and didn't have all the information. My vote has been cast and I am forever closing this in my mind, LOL. I guess all we need now is Zero's input on all of this. Great work, detective.i lolled. But thank u. And charmichael, find a baseball bat with spikes dipped in hot pickle juice and get a room already. *much love*

[Carmichal]

i lolled. But thank u. And charmichael, find a baseball bat with spikes dipped in hot pickle juice and get a room already. *much love*

Oh cyber I can always count on you to misspell my name in ways the sane human mind can not clearly understand :p. and who is the bat for? I'm not sure if it's for Brett out of rage. Or you have some awkward fetish.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

if you would take into consideration demos from other communities. got one right here. attaching it, and linking to the thread ( http://hellsgamers.com/topic/73884-please-ban-this-hacker/ )

the demo shows obvious multi-hack, walls and aimbot. the kicker? he's wearing his ibis.a tag, and ireaper tag.

o.O well then, nail meet coffin. an actual demo of hacks, while wearing an ibis.a tag? fuck him.



There is one language we all speak and that's money, I'll talk to Zero and see if he's okay with this level of behavior from his admins at all given times. From the day I entered I could hardly stand being in the server simply because of the power hungry admins on a 10 year old game. I merely tolerated it because Benihime wanted me to tool some complete newbs with him. His admins behavior affects his ability to profit and I doubt he will allow this kind of behavior to continue for long, even if Benihime is still banned, I'm sure things will change soon. "



i don't think he quite understands who you are, or what <IBIS> means...

[brett friggin favre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=M5QGkOGZubQ

[jwtemp]

Good day indeed.

[Sin]

Oh cyber I can always count on you to misspell my name in ways the sane human mind can not clearly understand :p. and who is the bat for? I'm not sure if it's for Brett out of rage. Or you have some awkward fetish.

I hope your nose never heals correctly.

[ZERO]

I want to point out that the writing is intended to say that it needs to be attached to the post and not a link to ftp. Also in some cases as in the past a preponderance of evidence is and can be used for bans. This is why I opened this thread back up so that I could ensure that all evidence even if non conclusive by itself can be brought up. This will allow me to better look at the situation as a whole and then reevaluate the decision with the same information those making it had. This is being done as a procedural process to ensure that nothing was over looked as this type of ban is very rare.

[ZERO]

Final Audit Check is now in progress I am closing the thread again as I now have from this along with other conversations with mutiple clan/admins I have collected all the case work. A decision on the appeal for this ban will be announced when I have finished a final review of all evicence and detemined if there was enough to warrent a ban.

[ZERO]

After review of the evidence I found a glaring evidence that would warrant a perma ban for anyone and it is the demo linked here: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/10573-(iReaper)-Benihime-STEAM_0-0-50856523-10-02-13?p=154070#post154070

In this demo we not only find conclusive evidence of Benihime hacking, but him doing it UNDER THE IBIS NAME!

Upon finding this evidence I posed the following question to the clan:


Lets think for a sec how a clan member would be treated in this situation. Lets say for example that we got a demo of Owns hacking in some other server with the IBIS tag ON. I think we all agree she would get banned and kicked out of the clan. Thus it is only logical that we apply the same conditions to anyone representing this community by the placement of IBIS in their name.

There was an objection to the admittance of evidence from a server that is not our own.

Firstly let me address that any evidence we find of hacking on any server that is deemed to be trustworthy and valid can be used to support a ban (does not mean you will always get it). Lets all remember that we enforce VAC bans and bans from sourcebans b/c we know and trust these bans to be valid. We do not directly take bans from other servers b/c other than those two sources we need to personally review the demos to confirm for ourselves the player is a hacker.

Secondly if you where the IBIS tag you are effectively taking actions within the realm of the community regardless of where that may be. Therefore if we find evidence of anyone with IBIS in their name doing things in other servers that are against our own rules they will be punished accordingly. If you have IBIS in your name your representing this community; and therefore the admins, upper level admins, clan and myself have a duty to ensure that people are properly representing this community by holding people who do thing under our name accountable.


This ban stands however the reason for the ban shall be listed as hacking under the name of IBIS.