The Console Wars

[jwtemp]

Looks like the console wars begin in earnest today. The Xbox One looks pretty impressive, although I'll reserve final judgment until I see the launch lineup at E3.

The Wii U is a total disaster and the PS4 is vaporware at this point. I was not excited about the next generation of consoles at all - until now. Microsoft has not been idle, it seems, and it showed in their presentation today.

What say ye gamers? Which system are you the most interested in?

[StarsMine]

How is the ps4 vapor ware? I dont understand that comment
And I would not call the wiiU a failure yet, people are being way to preemptive with their judgement. It has already sold 3.5 million units. Stop comparing it to the wii sales like thats the measuring stick. That like complaining someone cant run a 4min mile.
TBH I find the name xbox one to be a bad name... its the third xbox not the first. (wiiU isnt good either)

[jwtemp]

The PS4 has yet to be shown beyond a page of hardware specs, a controller and some blurred flashes of the console in a teaser trailer. Vaporware is exactly what the PS4 is at this moment - an announced product with next to nothing shown. As it stands, the PS4 doesn't exist to the general public.

Sorry, the Wii U is the first console in a long time that didn't sell out and stay sold out for weeks after its launch. When the 360 and PS3 launched, and the Wii as well, you couldn't get one for less than a 100% markup on eBay or Craigslist. The Wii U came out last November, just before Christmas, like every console in the last generation, and stock was available up to and after Christmas. That's a flop in today's entertainment market, no matter how you slice it. They have nothing compelling coming out anytime soon. They're relying on a gimmicky controller, yet again. They're planning on re-hashing yet another generation of first party titles and won't have third party support after the PS4 and One hit store shelves. Their hardware is behind, yet again, and will be this entire generation of games.

The consumers have spoken. The Wii U will be lucky to break even in terms of R&D and hardware sales losses.

[StarsMine]

The wiiU distribution is different then any console before.
They stopped with the biweekly shipments and do two a week. Thats why they are not sold out.
They also like with the wii and unlike with microsoft and sony make a profit off each console. To break even for them is far easier.
You needed to buy at least 5 extra games for microsoft/sony to make a profit off of your console. Nintendo, none. And the wiiU owners have bought more game per capita then the wii did at this time, then the 360 did or the ps3.
They have the third party support, what they DONT have is the media support that sony and microsoft have. The console itself while yes is weaker then the xbox one and ps4 is still more powerful then previous gen, and due to the fact that both the ps4 and one are using very similar gpu archetcure ports are easier then ever.

That is also not how vaporware works. The design of the box does nothing for hype or whether or not your going to purchase one. Sony knows that. Its also not something that needs designing until near release anyways. Hell when the 360 was first announced it had no box to look at. All you had were the devkits that were built out of Macs.

[jwtemp]

Nintendo has third party support? Yeah, maybe for porting games over from the current (and soon to be previous) generation to their already-behind-the-times console. What developer is going to pay a team millions of dollars to develop a version of their title for the Wii U when the Wii U isn't selling? I'm telling you, everyone I know who bought a Wii hardly ever played it, myself included. I finished a single game on the system. One. And even that game was marred by the gimmicky as all Hell controllers and awful motion control capabilities of the system. Playing the Wii by yourself is as frustrating as trying to fuck a cactus, imo, and is literally only fun when you play some goofy, dumpy party game with a bunch of people in your living room.

Consumers are smart. The Wii was a massive success because it was a gimmick that worked. But the Wii taught them a lesson and they're looking at the Wii U and asking themselves, is this really worth it? They're not buying the Wii U because they don't need/want another gimmicky device that's going to turn into a Netflix machine in six months time, then collect dust when they start watching Netflix on one of the other fifty devices that supports it. They're not interested in a gaming system that plays games they played last year on their 360/PS3/PC. The system has a proprietary drive that does nothing other than play games - how hard would it have been to slap a Blu-ray drive in that plays movies too and call it a day? And consumers don't want an outdated proprietary game system. They want the new hotness, the PS4 and the 360, systems that are going to enable their entire home entertainment experience to be controlled from one machine.

We could argue about it all day long. I think the numbers clearly show, and analysts and industry experts agree, the Wii U has not seen any real success yet and isn't going to. Time will tell, and I personally believe it will tell that Nintendo's direction was a mistake.

'Vaporware' was obviously a strong term to use, but I stand by the fact that we know nothing about the PS4 at this point other than it has a new controller with a touchpad. The system's design might not matter to you, but it matters to me, as does the GUI and how I interact with the entertainment the system presents to me. I know what to expect from the Xbox today, as I was shown both the console and the OS's UI. I've seen precisely zilch from Sony on either front. Perhaps E3 will change my opinion, but as it stands, Sony has some catching up to do in my book.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Looks like the console wars begin in earnest today. The Xbox One looks pretty impressive, although I'll reserve final judgment until I see the launch lineup at E3.

The Wii U is a total disaster and the PS4 is vaporware at this point. I was not excited about the next generation of consoles at all - until now. Microsoft has not been idle, it seems, and it showed in their presentation today.

What say ye gamers? Which system are you the most interested in?

iy's almost laughable how high of an opinion you have of yourself, when you know absolutely nothing at all about what you're posting.

the WiiU is pretty fucking legit. it's a bit odd, but that's more than fine. it has some pretty damn good games, but we're still being kept in the dark about the next wave of titles to land.

ps4 is not vaporware, and for you to use that term shows exactly how fucking retarded you are.

and the 720 (not calling it the xbox one, though i see why microsoft named it that way) isn't looking too terribly amazing. the hardware isn't really esciting, and the lack of backwards compatibility for 360 games is pretty fucking retarded on microsoft's part.


edit: also, for the record, i completed many games on the wii. off the top of my head, i finished resident evil 4, star wars force unleashed, no more heroes, metroid prime (all 3), twilight princess, and obscure: the aftermath. of those, only obscure was played co-op (really excellent game for co-op, especially with a girlfriend), and resident evil 4 (where other person watched me play the thing). the system was great.

[Chikun]

the lack of backwards compatibility for 360 games is pretty fucking retarded on microsoft's part.

That isn't pretty fucking retarded it's full blown retardation. There's no way they will release the new console like that.

Not that I give a shit personally, for me I'm more interested in how they will work as media servers and how they handle file formats because that's going to be a big thing with me.

[Tickle Me Emo]

Completely underwhelmed by everything I've seen so far. As it stands, there hasn't been a single compelling reason for me to give a flying fuck about any of the next-gen consoles. Iterative improvements that barely even qualify as improvements, and it's been how many years since a console generation? Not interested.

I like that they show off the new Call of Duty for the Xbox... wow! It looks like Battlefield 3 did almost two years ago! It's trying hard to have a srs bsns story, but since it's from Infinity Ward, I have serious doubts that I'll care.

As far as media server capability... the current gen is working fine for what I need, my PC can handle anything else I could possibly need, soooooo yeah don't care. Side note: my PC components are 2-3 years old.

The WiiU was poorly marketed. When I heard about it, I thought it was some kind of fancy controller addition to the Wii, like the game pad for old Nintendo systems. I found the idea of it rather silly. It took a while for me to figure out they had even launched a new console. That is bad. That is very, very bad. I don't keep up with the latest and greatest in console development on a daily basis, but I am better informed than the average consumer. Even the name is a poor choice, in my opinion. It doesn't sell the console at all, and actually encourages the idea of it just being Wii 1.5. I would attribute the relatively low sales numbers on the WiiU to the marketing, in part at least. The WiiU is an iterative improvement, just like everything I've seen from the other consoles, yet everyone is hyped up about those. Consumers are stupid. Throw marketing at them and they will buy your stuff even if it's not compelling.

[jwtemp]

iy's almost laughable how high of an opinion you have of yourself, when you know absolutely nothing at all about what you're posting.

the WiiU is pretty fucking legit. it's a bit odd, but that's more than fine. it has some pretty damn good games, but we're still being kept in the dark about the next wave of titles to land.

ps4 is not vaporware, and for you to use that term shows exactly how fucking retarded you are.

and the 720 (not calling it the xbox one, though i see why microsoft named it that way) isn't looking too terribly amazing. the hardware isn't really esciting, and the lack of backwards compatibility for 360 games is pretty fucking retarded on microsoft's part.


edit: also, for the record, i completed many games on the wii. off the top of my head, i finished resident evil 4, star wars force unleashed, no more heroes, metroid prime (all 3), twilight princess, and obscure: the aftermath. of those, only obscure was played co-op (really excellent game for co-op, especially with a girlfriend), and resident evil 4 (where other person watched me play the thing). the system was great.

Wow Aco, hit a nerve did I?

For starters, I don't see how my post indicates I 'have a high opinion of myself.' Obviously, the fanboy in you was offended with what I had to say about the Wii U. As for me 'having no idea what I'm posting about,' I own every game system available, including handhelds. I have a pretty good fucking frame of reference, asshole. I own ~50 games for 360, ~40 games for PS3, ~15 games for Wii and a handful of handheld titles. This doesn't even begin to encompass the number of games I've owned at some point and played, rented or borrowed to play them to completion. I was playing console games and saving up for my next big purchase probably before you had your first job. So please, go back to where you came from, which I can only assume is Nintendo Fanboyland - you obviously have no fucking idea what you're talking about here.

The Wii U is shit. The sales figures show it to be shit. The games are shit or were out ages before the Wii U was a twinkle in Miyamoto's eye. The features are, basically, shit. Woo! A twenty dollar piece of shit gamepad gimmick controller! Shit. When I see anything coming out on the Wii U that isn't a game I already played a year ago or that actually looks compelling - which doesn't include the nineteenth iteration of Mario Kart, why people continue to drop money on the same fucking rehashed game over and over, I'll never understand, then again they buy Call of Duty like it's going out of style, so I shouldn't be surprised -I'll change my opinion. Until then, the Wii U can continue to be the failure that it is while the vast majority of gamers completely ignore it (the sales figures state this, not me, so please, get your bias the fuck out of this discussion).

I'm glad you completed 'many games on the Wii,' the majority of which were released on Gamecube before the Wii even came out, which was the system I played RE4, Metroid Prime 1 and 2 and LoZ: TP. As for NMH, that shit came out on PS2 - a system released about six years before the Wii. LOL Good for you man. You're one of ten people who got some actual use out of the one-trick-pony system. I'm glad you enjoyed it - that doesn't make the innate problems, nor my opinion about the system I fucking own, any less valid.

Edit: As for your insults regarding the usage of the term 'vaporware,' it was more of an insult at Sony than a literal use of the word. I haven't seen shit from Sony about the PS4 other than some trailers and a Goddamn controller. Using the word 'vaporware' to describe that isn't a stretch. Fucking literal police up in this bitch.

[What]

Dreamcast

[Chikun]

Warning: The maximum amount of faggotry in this thread has been exceeded. Please cease and desist to prevent yourself from being sucked into your own assholes.

[StarsMine]

Again 3.5million sales, hardly a failure.

[Penis シ]

There's your fact about knowing "nothing" about the PS4.

Main Processor:
Single-chip custom processor
CPU: x86-64 AMD 'Jaguar' 8 cores
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon™ based graphics engine

Memory:
GDDR5 8GB

Hard Disk Drive:
Built-in

Optical Drive (read only):
BD 6xCAV
DVD 8xCAV

I/O and communication:
Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0)
AUX
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)

AV output:
HDMI
Analog-AV out
Digital Output (optical)

Those are your specs. We watched it render a 1 million object drop. Just in case you missed it, here it is again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnwmsTokso

Stop trying to pass off your fanboyism and ignorance as elitism.

All that said; PC master race.

[Xerenix]

Nothing i've seen so far has me excited about the new consoles. I'll stick with PC and PS3 until then.

[jwtemp]

http://bgr.com/2013/05/21/nintendo-wii-u-sales-analysis/

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/17/fifa-14-not-coming-to-wii-u-due-to-poor-fifa-13-sales/

http://kotaku.com/5975869/how-gamestops-500000-wii-u-wait-list-number-became-320000-sales

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57585491-235/wii-u-basic-price-slashed-by-20-percent-at-target/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/15/2013-wii-u-sales-look-dismal

Yeah, you guys are right, it's obviously a success, and the media is responsible for its failure. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: Not a single one of you will probably click through or read any of those articles, but they all say the same thing - the Wii U is already on the road to failure and is going to be hard pressed to catch up once the competition actually enters the arena. Seriously, with ZERO competition in the next-gen race, this is how the Wii U is selling. It's being outsold by current generation hardware. How can you not see that as a failure?

As for the rest of the replies, I believe I agree with Chikun here. I have no idea how this thread went from an intended discussion to an all out flame war. Yes Penis, I'm quite fucking aware Sony released a spec sheet for the PS4. I said so in my second post, reading comprehension ftw. That doesn't alter the fact that beyond a spec sheet and a controller and a couple of tech demos (don't forget about the 'skin' tech demo everyone was jizzing in their pants over!) we haven't seen shit else about this system. We haven't even seen or heard of a single next-gen launch title (except Watchdogs, which is coming out on PS3, 360 and PC, so who gives a shit?)!

I'm talking in facts, not opinion here. And my only point has been that of the three systems upcoming in the next generation battle, the Xbox One has had the strongest showing as of yet. And you call me an ignorant elitist and a fanboy because of it? Get the fuck out of here. :lmao: This is like having a conversation with the faceless morons of the Internet and I honestly thought you guys were better than that. Keep it up though, I'm sure if you keep misinterpreting my posts and getting offended because your oh-so-favorite gaming system is being insulted with facts it'll take you places. :wtg:


Dreamcast

+1! Dreamcast 4 lyfeeeeeee. :icon_mrgreen:


Nothing i've seen so far has me excited about the new consoles. I'll stick with PC and PS3 until then.

Thank you for the honest, unbiased and non-flaming opinion of the upcoming console generation. You may be the first person to post an opinion that wasn't ridiculously overwrought and mostly undefended by facts. :smirk:

[StarsMine]

Im sorry if I dont find michal pachter the most reliable source of information. He is a smart guy but damn he puts his foot in his mouth more often then not.

First article, going off one month of sales (assumed, not true numbers)
second EA is running into a chicken and the egg situation, all consolers have that at the begining of their lifecycle.
third, there wasnt anything substantial there... I mean nothing. Those werent unfulfilled preorders. It was just people saying they are interested in buying one in the future (im interested, have yet to do so)
Fourth artical disputs the first. tells the actuall sales number of 55k, not the speculative <40k
5th article didnt say much of anything, just sales numbers, that are not terribly bad.

Your not talking facts, your looking at all the fluff around the numbers in these artcles and taking in their bias.
Nintendo has two main problems, Shit marketing for the wiiU, I dont see any commercials for the damn thing, and a lack of software to get more people interested. Watchdogs is also coming out on the WiiU just so ya know.

Did you see what the ps4 games were?
Knack
Killzone
Driveclub
infamous
The witness
Deep Down
Destiny
Theif

and quite a few others like Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, assassins creed IV.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

if it helps... iv known about and been reading up on PS4 and xbox one for awhile now. Until this thread i had NO idea wtf Wii U was.

Hmm which is best for multimedia, to sit plump on my entertainment center.

[SCRIBBLE]

PC or Roku xd2 (with plex) for media center/server. Consoles fall short every step of the way for me, no exceptions. Not a fan of console gaming, have only used them for media centers.

[BladeTwinSwords]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/9/98500/2445038-4694434071-PC_Ga.jpg

I think this sums it up.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

PC or Roku xd2 (with plex) for media center/server. Consoles fall short every step of the way for me, no exceptions. Not a fan of console gaming, have only used them for media centers. So a PC used for a media center? Is it possible to have my PC set up as a media center and also connected to my gaming PC to stream live games and recordings? OR even use the PC to record TV?

[StarsMine]

PC recording tv is easy, just needs a capture card. they have quad tuners out there, (actually I think penta tuners are becoming a thing... but honestly man)

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

PC recording tv is easy, just needs a capture card. they have quad tuners out there, (actually I think penta tuners are becoming a thing... but honestly man)capturing tv is like last on my list of priorities. I may not even get cable. Im concerned with finding a quality capture card to stream and record games from ym new PC. Also, to capture video of console play.

[SCRIBBLE]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Want instructions? I will write up how i am set up to do all three.

---------- Post added at 01:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:17 PM ----------

For some reason it did not quote your reply to me.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Want instructions? I will write up how i am set up to do all three.

---------- Post added at 01:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:17 PM ----------

For some reason it did not quote your reply to me.

yes yes and yes! Id appreciate that alot.

[brett friggin favre]

http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JSpQNRM.gif

[What]

That is such a long gif

[StarsMine]

worth it.
that gif, worth it.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

worth it.
that gif, worth it.

also, not 100% true.

look some of the shit up.

[StarsMine]

also, not 100% true.

look some of the shit up.

Ill try, but microsoft will say something different every day. They cant seem to get there shit straight.

[Chikun]

They cant seem to get there shit straight.

Because they realize the ramifications.

[Xerenix]

Found an early prototype of Xbox One.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/976308_10151397673598344_1681556876_o.jpg

[Steamer]

LMFAO ^

Anyhow, PC. Since PS2, anyone I buy collects dust or is used as a media center. And I know I could build a way better MC cheaper. Meh.

[What]

A good pc lasts longer than these new next gen systems, since they keep pumping them out relatively quickly and keep fucking up backwards compatibility.

[StarsMine]

once 7 years is not relatively quickly.

[What]

Well I've had the same pc, since ps2 and it still going strong, upgraded graphics card and there still isnt anything i cant play.

[XX0wnsXY]

Found an early prototype of Xbox One.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/976308_10151397673598344_1681556876_o.jpg

rofl. that is too funny.

[taz1stP]

from what i saw on the first page it looks like we have a microsoft fan boy bashing the other systems we should just ignore him.

[jwtemp]

Last time I checked, being objective and coming from a position of facts did not make one a 'fanboy.' I didn't even want to comment in this thread anymore as it exploded into a gigantic toilet full of shit of a discussion, but fuck it. You seem to want to rile it up, so I'll play along, despite having no fucking clue who you are or where you came from.

Let me make this plain. As plain as I possibly can. I want it to be very clear what my position on this upcoming generation of gaming is, because I obviously haven't made it clear yet.

Fuck Microsoft. Fuck Sony. Fuck Nintendo. Fuck AMD. Fuck Intel. Fuck Nvidia.

Fuck all the corporations. FUCK THEM RIGHT IN THEIR GIGANTIC MONEY GRUBBING ASSHOLES.

Bring me good games. Bring me good feature sets. Bring me new opportunities for interactivity and innovative options. Bring me EXCITING ENTERTAINMENT that makes me want to play games and want to spend money on them.

I don't fucking care WHO makes it or WHAT PLATFORM it comes out on. BRING. ME. AWESOME. EXPERIENCES. I could not give any fewer fucks (it's literally zero) about who 'wins.' I just want GREAT FUCKING GAMES. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's it. That's all I care about. So for calling me a 'fanboy,' kindly go fuck yourself. :icon_mrgreen:

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Last time I checked, being objective and coming from a position of facts did not make one a 'fanboy.' I didn't even want to comment in this thread anymore as it exploded into a gigantic toilet full of shit of a discussion, but fuck it. You seem to want to rile it up, so I'll play along, despite having no fucking clue who you are or where you came from.

Let me make this plain. As plain as I possibly can. I want it to be very clear what my position on this upcoming generation of gaming is, because I obviously haven't made it clear yet.

Fuck Microsoft. Fuck Sony. Fuck Nintendo. Fuck AMD. Fuck Intel. Fuck Nvidia.

Fuck all the corporations. FUCK THEM RIGHT IN THEIR GIGANTIC MONEY GRUBBING ASSHOLES.

Bring me good games. Bring me good feature sets. Bring me new opportunities for interactivity and innovative options. Bring me EXCITING ENTERTAINMENT that makes me want to play games and want to spend money on them.

I don't fucking care WHO makes it or WHAT PLATFORM it comes out on. BRING. ME. AWESOME. EXPERIENCES. I could not give any fewer fucks (it's literally zero) about who 'wins.' I just want GREAT FUCKING GAMES. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's it. That's all I care about. So for calling me a 'fanboy,' kindly go fuck yourself. :icon_mrgreen:

no, i will not but fuck this conversation....

Also, that guy.. well he is squidward, ignore him.

[What]

no, i will not but fuck this conversation....

Also, that guy.. well he is squidward, ignore him.

You do realize his syntax wasn't an issue right?

[StarsMine]

Jesus, really that pissed off that I told you that your articles where only showing an 1/8th of the story?
?

[taz1stP]

Jesus, really that pissed off that I told you that your articles where only showing an 1/8th of the story?
?
u should know that u just messed up his whole world XD

[jwtemp]

Nah, it was the fanboy comment this guy made after reading a single post and basically ignoring me stating that I own every console under the sun (basically someone coming in and talking shit with absolutely no frame of reference). Didn't have anything to do with anything you said - but for the record, the Wii U continues to fail. :)

As for anyone messing up my world - this forum has about as much impact on my world as a gnat does on the tides of the ocean. Keep on trollin' though buddy, I'm sure you're having success with it somewhere on someone. :wtg:

[SCRIBBLE]

:lmao:

[jwtemp]

http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/51/14/1671f0308097fe257590d8f5bd67c027-nintendos-wii-u-strategy.jpg

[mag36]

OH how i miss the bickering here lol

[SCRIBBLE]

Stick around mag, stay awhile. You must be busy right now.

[jwtemp]

Hollllllllly shit, Microsoft, what are you thinking?! Game rentals NOT POSSIBLE? Sorry, this is a major wrong turn. Consoles are not PCs and the respective audiences don't 'think' the same way - and not allowing game rentals on the Xbox One is going to really hurt this system's success in the long run.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/It-Official-Xbox-One-Game-Rentals-Possible-Fees-Nixed-24-Hour-Check-Confirmed-56454.html

Edit: I just read that Nintendo isn't even going to be holding a press conference at E3 this year. Man, that really sucks. :( If sales figures released last week are to be believed, the system hasn't shipped more than 100,000 units since January.

[StarsMine]

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Yea no ms, no sale. WiiU and possibly a ps4 if they dont pull the same stunt for me. NO SALE


Nintendo is doing multiple nintendo directs throughout e3, just not the big spectacular confrence we are used to.

[jwtemp]

Welp, the details are all in at this point. And I have to say, it looks like the PS4 is going to be the big winner this generation. At $399, it's $100 less than the Xbox One, allows used games just like the last generation (although publishers will have the option to add DRM/online passes, according to previously released info), has a plethora of interesting and great looking titles, doesn't have all the privacy concerns of the 'always on Kinect,' integrates completely with the PS Vita, basically giving you a way to play PS4 in any room in your house and defeating the Wii U's focus pretty handily.

We finally got to see the system too, which was nice. Their presentation definitely blew Microsoft's away and it's clear they're sticking to what they said - they're focusing on the games and, at least seemingly, have listened to gamer's complaints and considerations from the problems with the PS3.

Obviously though, the sales determine the winner. The Internet is ablaze right now though with 'fuck Xbox One, give me the PS4.' The question is does the Internet represent the majority of people in the market to buy a next-gen gaming console? Time will tell.

I'm willing to call it now though. The PS4 is going to emerge victorious imo.

[Shadow_√II]

PS4 is also region free :wtg:

[-=Toy=-=Québec=-FR]

The online DRM is terrible for a number of reasons. First, you cannot play your games for more than 24 hours in a location with bad or no online reception even if you are playing a single player game. Second, even if you have a great online connection you may not be able to play games if Microsoft's server infrastructure goes down.

Just imagine what a successful hacking attempt just like the one on Sony's infrastructure would have as a result. No gamer would be able to play games for weeks until Microsoft would resolve the issue. And that is not even taking into account smaller maintenance shut downs or even restarts of the server infrastructure.

It does not stop here though and even if you do not mind a Kinect that cannot be turned off completely, you also won't be able to play any of your Xbox 360 games, provided that you own one right now. While Sony's streaming service is not here yet, it willeventually be available so that you can play PS3 games on the system.7457


As a PC Gamer, I don't really care - I can play retro games, next gen games, free games, or any damn game I want. On Steam, on Origin, download directly from the publishers...That's the beauty of PC gaming - it's all about choice...

[BladeTwinSwords]

Sony actually decided to be intelligent. Their console will definitely win this generation just like the PS2 did. The low price point of $400 is also a great idea. Now they need to make a bundle combo where for $550-$600, you get a Vita with it. That would REALLY sell it since you get PS + with it along with several free Vita games.

[jwtemp]

As a PC Gamer, I don't really care - I can play retro games, next gen games, free games, or any damn game I want. On Steam, on Origin, download directly from the publishers...That's the beauty of PC gaming - it's all about choice...

I totally agreed with everything you said right up to this point. Unfortunately, there are loads of games that will never see the light of day on PC that you are truly missing out on by not being a console gamer. Yes, PC is all about choice, but unfortunately your choice is limited to the games that come out on PC (or waiting eight to ten years for emulation programmers to catch up and make games formerly only on console playable on PC). That said, love gaming on PC. :D


Sony actually decided to be intelligent. Their console will definitely win this generation just like the PS2 did. The low price point of $400 is also a great idea. Now they need to make a bundle combo where for $550-$600, you get a Vita with it. That would REALLY sell it since you get PS + with it along with several free Vita games.

+1. No clue wtf Microsoft was thinking. I didn't want a Vita before I saw how it integrates with the PS4. Now I'll probably buy one before the end of June. Can't wait to get my hands on my PS4.

[Xerenix]

PS4 won E3 it seems however i will keep my PS3 until there is a PS4 exlusive that i reeaally want to play.

Also found some great pictures.

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http://i41.tinypic.com/iddpgw.jpg

[mag36]

microsoft as a company has been heading to the shitter for years it seems now. Everything from a subscription based MC Office to Windows 8 UI to This Xbox One idea. The only moves Ive seem that keeps them funded is buying things like facebook and skype and i give it a few years and that will be shit too. Facebook is already shit i know but it will get worse.

[Xerenix]

Found this under headlines: "Sony Releases PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video, Sends Microsoft to Burn Ward"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kWSIFh8ICaA

[jwtemp]

So great. That video was a huge hit at E3. Seems to me like Sony saw the backlash to Microsoft's proposed DRM plans and definitely struck at the opportunity.

[StarsMine]

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ps4 would also work in subs and Antarctica.
So I think I know what the military will have as their console of choice.

And yes poland will not get a working xbone, I really want to know what cd Projekt red is going to do about that.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

"XBOX ONE!!! Offline is fun! is your local internet down? Cant play that single player game now? No Problem!!!! You and your friends can line up your inactive Xbox ones for a fun game of dominos!!!"

x box one is shit, ill keep my xbox 360 and buy the PS4.

[jwtemp]

Well, seems Microsoft has seen the error of their ways. DRM has been totally removed from Xbox One.

No matter what you think about it, this is a win for anyone who purchases the system. Woo!

[StarsMine]

I dont trust them enough to not try to slide it back in.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I dont trust them enough to not try to slide it back in.

Lets hope it dries up before that happens.

[Xerenix]

Love how people praise MS for being such a good company now for changing their policies while ignoring the fact that the only reason MS actually changed it was because they lost around 60+% of the console users and their money.

[jwtemp]

I totally agree Xer. It's pathetic that it took a massive backlash and basically petition signing on the consumer's part to get MS to reverse their DRM decision. This isn't a move that should be applauded, if anything we should be asking why wasn't it this way in the first place???