Complain again Immune

[JesterQC]

Hello, this is a complain against member "Immune". He is on his way to get admin, as he says. HE got votekicked once, came back and almost votekicked twice

He was camping in spawn as cryptlord spamming ultimate and not doing the "real" objective (IE: Planting bomb). This made the round so long because it always ended in a 1v1 and everybody waited 2 minutes, or 3 to play again

When he came back, he started insulting us. "The community is a bitch" "You bunch of cry baby fucktard cunts can'T see that killing is also doing objectives" and so on. He have little to no respect for everybody, and i have a bad feeling about him getting some admin powers

[Sin]

Sin approves of this message.

[What]

Well it doesn't matter if the rounds are long or not, crypt lord is best when used defensively. There is no time to start the objective, it only must be started in a reasonable time so that it is possible to be accomplished. If the round takes 2:30 to complete, but he wins by either killing you or rescuing hostages or whatever, then he has done the objective. You do sound like a whiny bitch.

[JesterQC]

Well it doesn't matter if the rounds are long or not, crypt lord is best when used defensively. There is no time to start the objective, it only must be started in a reasonable time so that it is possible to be accomplished. If the round takes 2:30 to complete, but he wins by either killing you or rescuing hostages or whatever, then he has done the objective. You do sound like a whiny bitch.

I'm sorry if i sound like a little whiny bitch, but when 10 people in the server ask him to move and do his objectives and all he can replies is "fuck you i'm not moving", i won't like an admin like that. The point of my complain is not because he was camping that much but the shitload of insults he unloaded on everybody there and he just said "Oh i can't wait to have my admins so i can shut you all the fuck up and have immunity to you little bitches little fucking votekick".

That's my point. Now, call me a bitch if you want, but this won't solve that an admin who do not respect his member never make a good admin (i know, i've managed admins on one server for over 2 years)

[What]

He does not HAVE to move just because you don't like his play style. And he insulted you? Welcome to the internet. Immune has had admin before and was pretty solid at it, you need to cleanse the sand from your vagina.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Well it doesn't matter if the rounds are long or not, crypt lord is best when used defensively. There is no time to start the objective, it only must be started in a reasonable time so that it is possible to be accomplished. If the round takes 2:30 to complete, but he wins by either killing you or rescuing hostages or whatever, then he has done the objective. You do sound like a whiny bitch.

not entirely true...

the rules state that the objective must be respected and completed. camping is not allowed if it prolongs the round too much. maymay would need to weigh in on this, but as far as i remember, the ruling was that if a crypt lord is doing nothign but using his ult, and not trying to acomplish anything else, they're not following the rules.

[JesterQC]

He does not HAVE to move just because you don't like his play style. And he insulted you? Welcome to the internet. Immune has had admin before and was pretty solid at it, you need to cleanse the sand from your vagina.

Well then, if replying with calm while trying to get some light on the issue is having "sand in my vagina", as you good sir say, then you win

[jwtemp]

Don't listen to What. He likes to point out sand in other people's vaginae because he has a fucking beach's worth in his. Someone with actual knowledge and authority will respond here I'm sure.

[brett friggin favre]

The objective must be respected. He can take all the time he wants as long as he attempts to complete an objective before the round is over. It doesn't matter what you or 10 other people request. In GG, camping is allowed until it prolongs the round. Due to the nature of races like crypt lord though, wcs is different and you can camp all you want as long as you attempt an objective at some point. This is how its always been and anyone who says differently is wrong.

[What]

I understand that the objective must be completed, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here, it seems to be more of Immune taking his time before moving, since he doesn't have to. I think a demo would make it more clear since then it will be ovbvious if Immune was not respecting the objective or if the others were being impatient. Overall though I have seen people complain about not doing the objective when there is over 1:30 left on the clock which is annoying as fuck.

As far as immune berating you, well yeah that seems about right, especially with your English it probably makes everything more irritating, not a dig at you your English is better than my French, just that it is really frustrating and kinda annoying sometimes hearing broken English.

[JesterQC]

I'm french my english is borkied as fuck

[therealimmune]

.....
lmao
this made my day....
get better all i can say

[brett friggin favre]

I understand that the objective must be completed, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here, it seems to be more of Immune taking his time before moving, since he doesn't have to. I think a demo would make it more clear since then it will be ovbvious if Immune was not respecting the objective or if the others were being impatient. Overall though I have seen people complain about not doing the objective when there is over 1:30 left on the clock which is annoying as fuck.

As far as immune berating you, well yeah that seems about right, especially with your English it probably makes everything more irritating, not a dig at you your English is better than my French, just that it is really frustrating and kinda annoying sometimes hearing broken English.

i was just explaining the rule as it is. i haaaate it when people sit in spawn with crypt lord but it's not against the rules.

[jwtemp]

i was just explaining the rule as it is. i haaaate it when people sit in spawn with crypt lord but it's not against the rules.

Let me just make sure I understand, as I don't play WCS and this is mildly amusing.

The rules state it's against the rules to camp and not do objectives. But the rules also state you can camp as long as you want as long you attempt to do some objectives? That's silly. That means I can camp for the full round, and as long as I 'move to do an objective' (emphasis on the quotes) in the last fifteen seconds of any given round, nothing can be done to curb my shitty camping behavior, thus everyone must suffer for the 90% of the duration of the round because I'm a shitty camping baddie. What happens if I camp the entire duration of the round but someone kills me? Am I bannable because 'I camped and didn't move to do an objective?'

Why even have an anti camping rule in the first place? Defeats its on purpose on the face of it.

[therealimmune]

if you had a lace i would come and kill you.
but you didnt...

qq less plz

[brett friggin favre]

Let me just make sure I understand, as I don't play WCS and this is mildly amusing.

The rules state it's against the rules to camp and not do objectives. But the rules also state you can camp as long as you want as long you attempt to do some objectives? That's silly. That means I can camp for the full round, and as long as I 'move to do an objective' (emphasis on the quotes) in the last fifteen seconds of any given round, nothing can be done to curb my shitty camping behavior, thus everyone must suffer for the 90% of the duration of the round because I'm a shitty camping baddie. What happens if I camp the entire duration of the round but someone kills me? Am I bannable because 'I camped and didn't move to do an objective?'

Why even have an anti camping rule in the first place? Defeats its on purpose on the face of it.

if it only takes you 15 seconds to complete the objective then that's fine. you need to move with reasonable time to complete the objective. you mostly play gg and it is different there, but in wcs there are races such as eye ra and crypt lord which are best played in a safe place, so camping is part of it. both races have ultimates which give them offensive capabilities with infinite range. so obviously sitting in spawn as a human or something gets a lot less leeway, but it's extremely rare that such a thing happens.

[jwtemp]

if it only takes you 15 seconds to complete the objective then that's fine. you need to move with reasonable time to complete the objective. you mostly play gg and it is different there, but in wcs there are races such as eye ra and crypt lord which are best played in a safe place, so camping is part of it. both races have ultimates which give them offensive capabilities with infinite range. so obviously sitting in spawn as a human or something gets a lot less leeway, but it's extremely rare that such a thing happens.

I get that I don't play WCS, but the rules just seem so... inconsistent reading the threads. What I guess I was really asking is what kind of demo would Jester have to provide to prove that Immune broke the rules? On a bomb map, how long would Immune have to sit in spawn for it to be considered an infraction? Jester said he was camping for '2 to 3 minutes' - clearly neither of us know how accurate that is - but on a bomb map, I guess the real question is what's a reasonable amount of time to complete an objective? Shouldn't the Ts be moving to bomb plant locations near constantly? If we state that 'killing the other team' is a viable objective, the rules against camping are pointless.

I get there are races where camping is advantageous (camping in CS:S and FPSes is, in fact, advantageous in general) but if you're going to condone camping and not completing objectives on one hand and have a rule against it on the other, I guess I struggle to make sense of why, other than 'so I can enforce it when I feel it's warranted,' which is a very subjective, and arguably bad, methodology to creating rule sets.

Note, there's no condemnation here, I'm just interested and perplexed.

[brett friggin favre]

I get that I don't play WCS, but the rules just seem so... inconsistent reading the threads. What I guess I was really asking is what kind of demo would Jester have to provide to prove that Immune broke the rules? On a bomb map, how long would Immune have to sit in spawn for it to be considered an infraction? Jester said he was camping for '2 to 3 minutes' - clearly neither of us know how accurate that is - but on a bomb map, I guess the real question is what's a reasonable amount of time to complete an objective? Shouldn't the Ts be moving to bomb plant locations near constantly? If we state that 'killing the other team' is a viable objective, the rules against camping are pointless.

I get there are races where camping is advantageous (camping in CS:S and FPSes is, in fact, advantageous in general) but if you're going to condone camping and not completing objectives on one hand and have a rule against it on the other, I guess I struggle to make sense of why, other than 'so I can enforce it when I feel it's warranted,' which is a very subjective, and arguably bad, methodology to creating rule sets.

Note, there's no condemnation here, I'm just interested and perplexed.

in a pub situation you'd be right. i'm not condoning not completing the objective, i'm condoning waiting as late as you want (within reason) to do so. on a bomb map, it usually takes 20-30 seconds to get to a bombsite and plant the bomb, assuming minimal interference. so as long as you have about that much time left, you're fine to camp.

the "camping" rule for wcs is somewhat poorly stated. it directly states The objective must be respected and completed. camping is not allowed.
, but really the 2nd part has been disregarded in practice, because of how it can somewhat conflict with the first part. as long as the objective is attempted with reasonable time left to complete it, camping is allowed. camping beyond that point is not allowed.

[CYBER]

The way I see it is that, as long as you have a teammmate doing the objective, by all means you can whore crypt lord and eye rae till the end of times in spawn.

NOW, once u're alone, there is no "1 minute" limit, or 1.5 minute limits.

For the hosties, you simply have to factor in that you need to get in the room, talk to them, and walk them out with possible setbacks: THATS the time you really should be getting a move on, bcos what's the point of moving afterwards if time is gonna run out on u .
Bombsite, same tihng, as long as u plant the bomb before the deadline, u're gd.
I specifically remember spasm taking his sweet ass time in the scrim and planting at the 5 second mark of the game, whinning the round and the game... it's not against the rules to TAKE UR TIME AND NOT RUSH RECKLESSLY.

Crypt lord and eye rae specifically have an ADVANTAGE of taking their time, even hells demon. so taking ur time to power urself up, or weakening them, or getting a high edge by summoning them is NOT against the rules. and there is no time limit to get ur move on per se. it's really common courtesy tho.

NOW, when does "taking ur time" become camping? When someone unlike those power races above is sitting in spawn or hiding in appartments and waiting for the deadline to finish WITHOUT doing anything... at all. without spamming their ult, without walking slowly to the enemy lines, or if the enemy has a lace and the crypt lord has no reason to sit back and spam ulti.

at that point, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE for the crypt lord to finish his objective by sitting back in spawn and spamming ulti till kill, and he should consider start moving towards the other objectives. but that doesn't mean they have to rush head first without strategizing, as long as they are "trying" to study the angles, then you cant tell them anything.

One of the objectives is killing the enemy, if that is possible to be accomplished by spamming locust or summoning them 25 seconds later, by all means, take ur time, but if that fails, you need to be doing the other objectives then, that's either killing the enemy by creeping up on them smartly, OR getting the hosties/bomb done ON TIME... and that's the ONLY ONLY reason u'd ever use the word "time" when u're asking someone to do the objective.\

those are my 2 cents on how i see it... but rly, by the end of the day, it really depends on the round ITSELF and the player's normal pace. if he's INTENTIONALLY delaying teh round so that he doesnt die without even bothering to do the objective, that's bad, but so long he's moving (at a snail pace) towards it, or using his ulti to win the objective remotely, again, that's fine.

[Carmichal]

The way I see it is that you are BOTH ass hole. Jester learn how this comunity works, ANYONE CAN HAVE ADMIN IF THEY GOT 11 BUCKS. Immune, don't be an asshole.

[therealimmune]

The way I see it is that you are BOTH ass hole. Jester learn how this comunity works, ANYONE CAN HAVE ADMIN IF THEY GOT 11 BUCKS. Immune, don't be an asshole.

lmao..now im an asshole?

[brett friggin favre]

lmao..now im an asshole?

well, though you're not in the wrong here...yes you are. :shrug:

[Locust]

lmao..now im an asshole?
It's not just now. You've been one :wtg:

[therealimmune]

It's not just now. You've been one :wtg:

:mwha:

[Chikun]

If the round runs out of time and the offender wasn't even close to completing the objective, they might end up getting hit by lightning the next round. I know Ronnie met this fate occasionally.

Also, buy a necklace of spell immunity.

[Spasm]

Moved to proper section.

[Erdenay]

Let me just make sure I understand, as I don't play WCS and this is mildly amusing.

The rules state it's against the rules to camp and not do objectives. But the rules also state you can camp as long as you want as long you attempt to do some objectives? That's silly. That means I can camp for the full round, and as long as I 'move to do an objective' (emphasis on the quotes) in the last fifteen seconds of any given round, nothing can be done to curb my shitty camping behavior, thus everyone must suffer for the 90% of the duration of the round because I'm a shitty camping baddie. What happens if I camp the entire duration of the round but someone kills me? Am I bannable because 'I camped and didn't move to do an objective?'

Why even have an anti camping rule in the first place? Defeats its on purpose on the face of it.

Not strictly saying correct. You have to have enough time to actually finish the objective so if you start to go towards the house in lets say Italy in the last 15 seconds and then fail to rescue the hosties, that would be not attempting your objective.


lmao..now im an asshole?

Pretty sure you can answer this yourself ;)

[Passarelli]

Hello, this is a complain against member "Immune". He is on his way to get admin, as he says. HE got votekicked once, came back and almost votekicked twice

He was camping in spawn as cryptlord spamming ultimate and not doing the "real" objective (IE: Planting bomb). This made the round so long because it always ended in a 1v1 and everybody waited 2 minutes, or 3 to play again
As long as he eventually moved to do the objective this is fine. You could always buy a lace or rush his spawn.


When he came back, he started insulting us. "The community is a bitch" "You bunch of cry baby fucktard cunts can'T see that killing is also doing objectives" and so on. He have little to no respect for everybody, and i have a bad feeling about him getting some admin powers
This however is not.



VII. Respect
1) Players that disrespect others
2) Player continuously nags others and continues despite reasonable requests to silence including mutes and kicks
3) Players that disrespect Admins or <ibis>
A) Player that nags an admin repeatedly despite being told to
B) Player that is not respectful of someone of a higher position
C) Flipping out at an admin after being told to
a) Cursing
b) Screaming into mic
c) Ranting about how the admin, ect is gay ect.


No one remembers the respect rules.

[brett friggin favre]

As long as he eventually moved to do the objective this is fine. You could always buy a lace or rush his spawn.


This however is not.



No one remembers the respect rules.

but provocation applies. if you're not breaking any rules and people won't shut the hell up because they think you are, you're being provoked...intentionally or not. and when provocation occurs, we try not to judge the reactor cuz let's face it...that sort of thing is annoying. i've seen admins talk shit about players all day, and then when the player says something back, they get banned. that would be a wrongful ban because the response was provoked. same principle would apply in this case. but of course without demos, it's hard to know just what happened.

[Passarelli]

Brett, if an admin is talking shit to you. The proper way to handle it would be asking an admin to stop, and if the continue to do so, see if a clan/senior admin is on. If they are, ask them to come in for a minute or two and have them ask the admin in question to chill. If not, save the replay and post in admin abuse. If you allow them to troll you and flip out (and get kicked/banned because of it) this only exacerbates the issue instead of solving it. Disrespect is what causes most of the issues in the WCS server, imho. Provocation shouldn't be a valid defense. Just because a guy in a bar starts calling you names doesn't make it okay to beat the shit out of him. Remember, be the duck!

I do agree however, that replays, proper format, etc etc would all be boons.

[HypeRNT]

Brett, if an admin is talking shit to you. The proper way to handle it would be asking an admin to stop, and if the continue to do so, see if a clan/senior admin is on. If they are, ask them to come in for a minute or two and have them ask the admin in question to chill. If not, save the replay and post in admin abuse. If you allow them to troll you and flip out (and get kicked/banned because of it) this only exacerbates the issue instead of solving it. Disrespect is what causes most of the issues in the WCS server, imho. Provocation shouldn't be a valid defense. Just because a guy in a bar starts calling you names doesn't make it okay to beat the shit out of him. Remember, be the duck!

I do agree however, that replays, proper format, etc etc would all be boons.

Zimmerman agrees, don't provoke or you gona be Trayvon martin'd.

The camping rule is pretty silly IMO, it has too many faults in it. There needs to be a set time that you MUST attempt the objective without any excuses otherwise i can take crypt lord sit in my spwn on italy on CT side spam my ult and say with 30 seconds left i shall move 1 inch and say "well i tried to get to the objective but either i died in the process or time ran out" making everyone wait on 1 or 2 people depending if they friends and both went same race to be funny. Telling people well as long as you attempt the objective its ok, that doesn't really solve anything, just makes it more confusing.

You should be pushed to do the objective with at least 1 minute left because that would be the AVG i would say that it takes to attempt the objective while using careful measurements to protect yourself so that you can actually reach the objective and complete it rather then being a kamikaze trying to rush and pretend you are attempting something instead of just suicide with 10 seconds left.

Even though this is WCS that does not mean that you get a free card to camp just because you play a defensive race, just like you shouldn't suicide just because you play offensive race. Some races are faster, some are slower, but the emphasis on winning the game will always be the same in objective based games, plant the bomb or rescue hosties are pretty strait forward objectives that should always be attempted or the maps become imbalanced and the whole point of the game goes out the window.

[brett friggin favre]

Zimmerman agrees, don't provoke or you gona be Trayvon martin'd.

The camping rule is pretty silly IMO, it has too many faults in it. There needs to be a set time that you MUST attempt the objective without any excuses otherwise i can take crypt lord sit in my spwn on italy on CT side spam my ult and say with 30 seconds left i shall move 1 inch and say "well i tried to get to the objective but either i died in the process or time ran out" making everyone wait on 1 or 2 people depending if they friends and both went same race to be funny. Telling people well as long as you attempt the objective its ok, that doesn't really solve anything, just makes it more confusing.

You should be pushed to do the objective with at least 1 minute left because that would be the AVG i would say that it takes to attempt the objective while using careful measurements to protect yourself so that you can actually reach the objective and complete it rather then being a kamikaze trying to rush and pretend you are attempting something instead of just suicide with 10 seconds left.

Even though this is WCS that does not mean that you get a free card to camp just because you play a defensive race, just like you shouldn't suicide just because you play offensive race. Some races are faster, some are slower, but the emphasis on winning the game will always be the same in objective based games, plant the bomb or rescue hosties are pretty strait forward objectives that should always be attempted or the maps become imbalanced and the whole point of the game goes out the window.


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well, you're wrong.

not gonna grace your idiotic rambling about camping with a response.

but as far as provocation goes, yes the better course of action is to keep a level head, but not everyone has that sort of restraint...and this is the internet. the way i see it, we need to take out any issues at the root. so if a player is provoked into breaking the rules, that needs to be considered and the provoker should bare the brunt of the punishment. now obviously in the case of tking or something, both parties will receive punishment, but the initial offender should have a heavier punishment.

[HypeRNT]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/79ee771f65607968ac28e6a9399b1151/tumblr_mkerapuQKz1qbnk7oo2_250.gif

well, you're wrong.

not gonna grace your idiotic rambling about camping with a response.

but as far as provocation goes, yes the better course of action is to keep a level head, but not everyone has that sort of restraint...and this is the internet. the way i see it, we need to take out any issues at the root. so if a player is provoked into breaking the rules, that needs to be considered and the provoker should bare the brunt of the punishment. now obviously in the case of tking or something, both parties will receive punishment, but the initial offender should have a heavier punishment.

Talk about idiotic rambling:banghead:

[Carmichal]

Talk about idiotic rambling:banghead:

hows the dick swallowing going?

[brett friggin favre]

hows the dick swallowing going?

pretty well apparently, i can hardly understand him through the scrotum.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Talk about idiotic rambling:banghead:

you're the one that brought up Trayvon Martin...

[Chikun]

This thread became good again. :popcorn:

[therealimmune]

This thread became good again. :popcorn:

lmao...
no worries ill make some more rage on me

[Rustler of jimmies]

lmao...
no worries ill make some more rage on me

Heh this thread http://i.imgur.com/r7w3hRV.jpg

[jwtemp]

Heh this thread http://i.imgur.com/r7w3hRV.jpg

Didn't you get perma banned?

[What]

Pass you do realize that immune didn't have admin when jester poutained in his pants right? Also hyper, for someone who complains about how unbalanced and unfair everything is on wcs you sure hang around it alot.

[Rustler of jimmies]

Didn't you get perma banned?

http://i.imgur.com/HbWieAo.png

Not perm banned, but yes I'm banned.
Still like being active on forums though

[jwtemp]

http://i.imgur.com/HbWieAo.png

Not perm banned, but yes I'm banned.
Still like being active on forums though

I see. Well I'm sure someone here likes having you active back. Your name alone, however, is enough for me to wonder who or why.

[Locust]

Didn't you get perma banned?
he got banned for a significant amount of time, not perma banned. it was like a year or something like that

[jwtemp]

he got banned for a significant amount of time, not perma banned. it was like a year or something like that

Well I guess we'll be seeing him posting on the forums quite a bit but not so much in game then! :lmao:

[Rustler of jimmies]

Well I guess we'll be seeing him posting on the forums quite a bit but not so much in game then! :lmao:

Yessir indeed:banghead:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Well I guess we'll be seeing him posting on the forums quite a bit but not so much in game then! :lmao:

oh joy.

[therealimmune]

oh joy.

fuck tthat immune guy
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