Can an expert explain THIS kind of lag for me?

[CYBER]

Hey there...
When i say "fuck im lagging.." i mean im fucking lagging...

Please post your opinion and vote on what part of my "gear" or settings is dun fucked?

THIS kind of shit just happened...and im not the only one seeing this, even redemption in game was having same issues...but this has been happening to me a LOT.
watch with net_graph 3, and someone please help me figure out what the problem is? thanks.

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ps: if u watch this demo and see NO lag at all, please post here, this would mean that it's smthn with my game view or my gear, and i'd like to know.

If you see no lag, i can record my game with fraps or smthn, and even show the net_graph 3 with it... but for now, hopefully ppl can see me lag in the demo


Updated:
added pictures of my netgraph, notice that the lags are when the bottom line turns orange... and there's a lot of "jitter" in the top blue lines...
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[What]

Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?

[CYBER]

seriously wtf is happening ...
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[brett friggin favre]

well in the 2nd ss, it seems while "entities" is still spiking, you have some sizeable choke. no, i don't know what that means. just pointing it out.

[What]

Ok, ok, just hear me out. Have you tried a hard restart? And when was the last time you cleared your cookies?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Ok, ok, just hear me out. Have you tried a hard restart? And when was the last time you cleared your cookies?

this. well, not a "hard" restart, but a full restart. power cycle and everything.

[CYBER]

this. well, not a "hard" restart, but a full restart. power cycle and everything.



define the process for this?



are u talking about my computer?
it's a desktop pc,

I took the first set of pictures and the above demo which seems no one has seen yet.
i scanned my pc for viruses or some fucked up processes, even tried cleaning up in safe mode.
i checked that all my drivers are up to date ( i use an nvidea geforce experience), i even re-installed my graphics card driver (version 331.58 of my card above), did a computer restart.


then i turned it off again, turned off the router and modem, reset the modem and router, turned on my pc.

I also closed up the game, got out of steam, deleted my client file, verified cache integrity, and re launched the game...


and that's when u see the SECOND set of pictures i posted...

hence me still confused

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Ok, ok, just hear me out. Have you tried a hard restart? And when was the last time you cleared your cookies?


im a web programmer, my browsers are set to self-clear everything (cookies included) every day.

i also defragged my pc and ran ccleaner on my harddrive AND my registry.

[Tickle Me Emo]

When you're getting lag, tab out and run a tracert to the server (you could have the IP pre-typed into a command line) and run a test on pingtest.net to see what you get (especially jitter or packet loss on the ping test). If the ping test shows good results with your local servers, try running the test to a DC server. If your issues are intermittent, I'd recommend running several tests AND tracerts to try to catch it during a "bad" time.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

hard reset generally refers to straight turning the power off. a soft reset is the start-menu -> restart.

full reset is start ->shut down, turn power off after it's down, then bring back up from off.

[Assassin]

hard reset generally refers to straight turning the power off. a soft reset is the start-menu -> restart.

full reset is start ->shut down, turn power off after it's down, then bring back up from off.

The latter is also considered a hard reset, with just less issues from cutting off the power to quickly to your gear.

[Carmichal]

The poll results just sound like you bragging.

[CYBER]

The poll results just sound like you bragging.
You're absolutely right, I noticed that while i was writing them honestly.
but to be fair? for the amount of money that I paid, I probably got ripped off by 800$ more than if i built it myself, so i cant really brag about it...


and the honest to God reason why i posted those, is not about the bragging, but about the "sarcasm" factor, where I believe my rig is more than above average for CSS, and yet i keep getting this lag....
people then tell me "sure cyber, lag... didnt u just get a new gear and shit?"
or worse, when they tell me "oh it's <insert name of part>", and they simply dont know that everything is brand new and top of the line... and they don't believe me, so i was being sarcastic at my situation :(...

just watch the demo guys and tell me what to work on fixing ? please and thank you.

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locust and milkster, any more elaboration on your votes?

[What]

What if you bought your own internet instead of relying on a hookah bar for connectivity.

[CYBER]

What if you bought your own internet instead of relying on a hookah bar for connectivity.
it's my own internet at home ...
30mb/s, connected by ethernet cables directly from model to my desktop

[What]

Well your first problem is using a model to try and connect to the internet. I would suggest the real thing.

[Locust]

Your canadian internet is really the only explanation other than your ethernet port or your router being fucked. and you're a dirty mexican. Thats my votes

[CYBER]

Well your first problem is using a model to try and connect to the internet. I would suggest the real thing.
well other than the fact that it was an iphone autocorrect,
i love her ports... talk about hotwired...

no but seriously, any thing else?

[What]

no but seriously, any thing else?

Have you tried turning off the computer and going outside?

[kionay]

From what I've read so far it sounds like it's neither your rig nor the server (otherwise there'd likely be more bitching)

try taking your PC to another location, something that dosen't use your internet, even if it's just next door

if it works fine, it's your router/modem/what have you, if not then perhaps the hub you're on is fucked up (i've read of sillier things happening)

try doing the same thing a town over, somewhere that most certainly does NOT use the same internet hub, if it hasn't improved and nobody else is complaining about your lag then it can't be server-sided and would have to be your rig
though it dosen't make any sense at all that you could overtax that rig to such an extent that you'd have problems i'd try to find the slowest mechanism of action or do some more software troubleshooting

maybe play TF2, another very similar game, running on the same engine, doing a lot of the same stuff internet connection wise, and if the lag goes away it's the CS:S game files for whatever reason (or the location the files are, the solid state i mean) if not then play a game that is nowhere near similar to CS:S (like an mmorpg not on steam, guild wars, WoW, TERA, something) if lag then possibly the network card, if not then ... well you see what i'm doing here


and if it STILL is fucked up then i'll quit my IT job and work as a janitor for a preschool -_-

[CYBER]

From what I've read so far it sounds like it's neither your rig nor the server (otherwise there'd likely be more bitching)

try taking your PC to another location, something that dosen't use your internet, even if it's just next door

if it works fine, it's your router/modem/what have you, if not then perhaps the hub you're on is fucked up (i've read of sillier things happening)

try doing the same thing a town over, somewhere that most certainly does NOT use the same internet hub, if it hasn't improved and nobody else is complaining about your lag then it can't be server-sided and would have to be your rig
though it dosen't make any sense at all that you could overtax that rig to such an extent that you'd have problems i'd try to find the slowest mechanism of action or do some more software troubleshooting

maybe play TF2, another very similar game, running on the same engine, doing a lot of the same stuff internet connection wise, and if the lag goes away it's the CS:S game files for whatever reason (or the location the files are, the solid state i mean) if not then play a game that is nowhere near similar to CS:S (like an mmorpg not on steam, guild wars, WoW, TERA, something) if lag then possibly the network card, if not then ... well you see what i'm doing here


and if it STILL is fucked up then i'll quit my IT job and work as a janitor for a preschool -_-


thank you for an amazing response. I will try to test out my variables... moving my CM stryker tower around the country might not be the smartest thing i could right now though :P, but yeah, i see your logic...

problem is that my lags are completely random as fuck, sometimes i have amazing gameplays (so amazing that i cant even control my mouse jitter bcos of how sensitive everything is when it's working perfectly), but then sometimes i start lagging and skipping frames at low impacts, such as my motion being a bit "iffy"... and then there are THOSE days like the demo above, where everything just goes fuck-all...

so i need to wait it out, see if i notice any patterns between my lags and my universal pc/router/internet/isp/game state.

[Locust]

thank you for an amazing response. I will try to test out my variables... moving my CM stryker tower around the country might not be the smartest thing i could right now though :P, but yeah, i see your logic...

problem is that my lags are completely random as fuck, sometimes i have amazing gameplays (so amazing that i cant even control my mouse jitter bcos of how sensitive everything is when it's working perfectly), but then sometimes i start lagging and skipping frames at low impacts, such as my motion being a bit "iffy"... and then there are THOSE days like the demo above, where everything just goes fuck-all...

so i need to wait it out, see if i notice any patterns between my lags and my universal pc/router/internet/isp/game state.

How old is your router? I had one that was a couple years old and I had issues with random disconnects and lag. Assuming your isp isn't throttling shit and you're getting your 30 mb/s then the problem is some of the hardware in between.

Something else you could try is to check and make sure there are no more updates for you to download. Specifically any updates for you netowrk adapter.

[kionay]

Something else you could try is to check and make sure there are no more updates for you to download. Specifically any updates for you netowrk adapter.


this reminds me, a faulty netwrok card can cause all kinds of havoc

it seems to me that since your lag isn't just a tad bit of slow down (at least the way i read it) and it's either hit or miss then it sounds like network lag, if it were your machine lagging then the game would just get slower (with exceptions of course)

and i didn't mean move it across the country, just maybe if you have a friend a town over ask to take your tower with you to do some tests, maybe host a bit of a LAN? nevertheless that's still the most unlikely of it all

my gut tells me its your router/modem or network card, it just FEELS like it's one of those, though without seeing the slow down hands-on (through video recording, rather than source recording, there IS a difference :-/ ) then it'd be hard to tell

what I would do, personally, is set up a dual-monitor display get desktop gadgets from here:

All CPU Meter (http://addgadgets.com/all_cpu_meter/)
Network Meter (http://addgadgets.com/network_meter/)
GPU Meter (http://addgadgets.com/gpu_meter/)
and Drives Meter (http://addgadgets.com/drives_meter/)

i have these meters on my desktop at all times and anytime there is lag on any media i can tab to my desktop and almost immediately tell what it is that's lagging me

if i were you i'd put these graphs on the second display while playing, when you lag see what graphs spike (if any) if none then have a command prompt window up and do ping -t www.google.com (or whatever) and see if the stream of packets cuts out when you lag

i only reccomend the gadgets coz they're easier than bringing up the resource manager each time, the GPU meter requires a bit o software depending on your graphics card, but all of those gadgets are close to my heart and have been a source of great information in a time of crysis with my computer

hope you get this figured out

[Carmichal]

You're absolutely right, I noticed that while i was writing them honestly.
but to be fair? for the amount of money that I paid, I probably got ripped off by 800$ more than if i built it myself, so i cant really brag about it...


and the honest to God reason why i posted those, is not about the bragging, but about the "sarcasm" factor, where I believe my rig is more than above average for CSS, and yet i keep getting this lag....
people then tell me "sure cyber, lag... didnt u just get a new gear and shit?"
or worse, when they tell me "oh it's <insert name of part>", and they simply dont know that everything is brand new and top of the line... and they don't believe me, so i was being sarcastic at my situation :(...

just watch the demo guys and tell me what to work on fixing ? please and thank you.

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locust and milkster, any more elaboration on your votes?

Oh yeah you're a mexican't. You paid in pesos. No wonder you lag. Kncok offs too just like everything in mexico. Cyber I have concluded that if you stop being mexican your problems will be fixed.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber, did you do a tracert?

no? Install and use this http://winmtr.net/

Are you connecting to the servers through at&t or cogent along the way?

Yes?

its packet loss, your welcome.

It might not be national news but there have been a few attacks on major data centers, primarly data centers owned and operated by at&t, cogent, and comcast. I was having the same issues last week with servers on the other side of the country.


edit: please not, like someone else already stated in this thread. Packet loss between where you live and where the servers are located can happen and disapear in seconds. I suggest keeping the above program on your desktop and even open and ready to trace if you think you are going to experience lag again. I dont recommend starting a trace and leaving it on while you play as i have noticed it to hog bandwidth, though you do have the option to watch your connection to what ever ip you use, live.


also, in case you have a hard time believing my wild claim you can use this handy website to check on hourly updates. It is an internet health report that gives you a better idea of just how jacked up some companies are right now with there service.
http://www.internetpulse.net/

[StarsMine]

Looks like level3 being fucked with there.
When does level3 not get fucked with honestly?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Looks like level3 being fucked with there.
When does level3 not get fucked with honestly?

select for the last 24 hours to get a daily average, last week cogent and at&t were averaging like 50% packet loss.

actually it just dawned on me. Isnt it odd that the only companies who appear to be suffering from heavy packet loss are also companies who wish to completely abolish net neutrality?
so if cybers issue really is packet loss, you could go as far as saying... your problem is American fortune 500 company political maneuvers. lmfao

[CYBER]

sooo...
i live in canada, internet used to be from Bell, now from videotron.
so im not sure if the above packet losses seen in at&t is the same shit that happens here.

it's been ok and lagless for a bit, but then again i havent played css much in the last week, hopefully when i play more, i can start seeing what's going on.
thanks for the links tho

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

sooo...
i live in canada, internet used to be from Bell, now from videotron.
so im not sure if the above packet losses seen in at&t is the same shit that happens here.

it's been ok and lagless for a bit, but then again i havent played css much in the last week, hopefully when i play more, i can start seeing what's going on.
thanks for the links tho

Remember, you are connecting to a US data center. You might not be using at&t where you are but at some point you may have to connect through a data center here in the states. That is why you should tracert, even if you are not currently lagging so that you can see what path you are taking to connect to servers in the states.

[StarsMine]

sooo...
i live in canada, internet used to be from Bell, now from videotron.
so im not sure if the above packet losses seen in at&t is the same shit that happens here.

it's been ok and lagless for a bit, but then again i havent played css much in the last week, hopefully when i play more, i can start seeing what's going on.
thanks for the links tho
Videotron/whatever provider you have only deal with what is called the last mile, you actually bounce between all the networks.
If I recall correctly level3 runs the major pipe down the middle of america, so there is a very good chance you go through them at some point. Like a spine.

[ZERO]

The routes into our server are:
Comcast® 2X10Gbps

Level3® 8X10Gbps

NTT America 8X10Gbps

TeliaSonera 2X10Gbps

Equinix 4X10Gbps

Telefónica 2X10Gbps

Time Warner 2X10Gbps

Then there is a private line that will also take us in 1 hop to:
NYC
ATL
Chicago
Amsterdam

Where as you may then be connecting to the lan at those points and then being ported over the internal network if it is faster.

In my local case I see in my trace route that I hit the local exchange here in atl and then get the rest of the way on the lan to DC.

Other pop locations are:
London
Frankfurt
Miami
Huston
Huston#2
DAL
DAL#2
DAL#3
DAL#4
DAL#5
DAL#6
LA
San Jose
Denver
Seattle
Tokyo
Hong Kong
Singapore

Each of those pops then has their local exchanges which differ from the local exchange in DC. Hong Kong at 5 hops is the furthest from the DC datacenter.

[ZERO]

Oh on this page you can see the current system wide network latency from your origin point. http://lg.softlayer.com/#

For example from this we know that the lag from Amsterdam to our server is <80ms plus the latency for the client to get to the Amsterdam datacenter.

So I know that I ping our servers in 24-30ms from my house. The atl datacenter pings in 15ms therefore the speed of my local network and internet to reach Atlanta takes about the same amount of time as my data does to go from ATL to the server in DC.

[Passarelli]

Cyber, you do know the parts of netgraph, right? The very large bars don't matter much. That is simply the amount of data coming into your computer from the server. It is the size of the packets you are getting. The very very bottom bar is what you have to watch. In several of your screenshots it looks as if you were recently extrapolating. You can tell this because the orange lines rise above the white border of the blue box. When this happens, your client is guessing for that period of time and thus will make things look choppy and people (or you) will jump around. You can adjust this by increasing your lerp settings. Ideally, you want your lerp just barely high enough so you never extrapolate. This will allow you the best responsiveness without people jumping around.

That said, it looks very very spiky on the screen shots. If it isn't something that happens when you are currently in a battle, I'd have to say its a network issue of some kind. Either your computer is initiating a new network connection and it eats all the bandwidth for a second or so (common of viruses) or there is something else going on. It could be either your NIC, router, modem, IP, or any IP between you and the server. You should pray it is one of the first 3 (or a virus) as these are all easily fixable. A tracert likely will not help you with this, as the issue looks to be very intermittent. You may want to first simply run a ping to your ISP while you play on a day where it seems very bad in terms of extrapolating. Do this by first running a tracert, and your ISP should be the second on this list (after your modem's IP). Then simply use ping -t IPaddress in the command prompt. As soon as you lag, stop it and look to see if you had dropped packets. If so, it is highly likely it is on your end (NIC, router, modem). If not, you will need a more advanced program as windows doesn't have the software available to trouble shoot this. www.pingplotter.com (http://www.pingplotter.com/) has a lightweight piece of software that you can run as you game. It will constantly run tracert to the specified IP (use the server). As soon as you lag, tab out and stop it and find where the packet is dropped. You'll want to do this a few times to make sure it is consistent, and then contact your ISP. If the hop is far away, it is likely they can't do anything about it other then notify whatever ISP is dropping the packets. The only other way around it would be to route your traffic around this hop.

Hope this helps!


EDIT: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/TF2_Network_Graph for an explanation of netgraph3. I know it says TF2, but they are the same!

[toma]

you have malware from all the cambodian midget goat porn.

Run Ping to 127.0.0.1 - tests ip stack
run ping to the gateway/router/switch - usually your router's ip address
run ping to your ISP
run ping to the hop before it hits the US side
run ping to server - tests connectivity...well to the server


watch the pings see where it fluctuates/drops if it does at all
if it also spikes when you ping 127...1 reinstall the drivers for the NIC as the stack is going bad
if it spikes at your gateway/router/switch try replacing the router or switch/try a different port if you have one available
if it spikes on the way to the server, contact your isp to see if they know of any outages along the way or issues

also another thing to do is run tracert to the server to see if the routes change when you notices spikes (hopefully the routing protocols the ISPs use are dynamic and will failover and shit), would signal network issues along the route.

that's for the network side.

Edit:
if you have a benchmark tool run it multiple times like 10 times in a row to see if there are any significant changes in the score, and do a comparison of other systems with similar build to see if you're losing anything to performance of hardware.