Good job NASA

[Hodgie]

Someone's definitely losing their job this week. Maybe we should just export our entire space program...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/24/nasa.launch/index.html

Sure the mechanics behind the separation of a rocket from one stage of the launch to another has some technical issues, but i think common sense could figure it out. It's not nearly complex as all the technical details of a rocket engine.




... At least we won't have to hear all the tree huggers yelling about their new findings that prove global warming will kill us in 20 years.

[ZERO]

I think we see more and more that as bureaucracy overtakes NASA it is just getting killed off. NASA is a perfect example of how increasing gov does not work out in the long run.

Pretty ironic about the sat, people that have left NASA have spoken out about how data is being manipulated or misrepresented to support global warming. Many parts of the US gov will not allow scientists to speak out against global warming without losing there jobs. A year or so ago I saw a scientist that was not allowed to use his title and position when he spoke about global warming because the state he worked for was behind it. :smirk:Would be funny if it was an inside job...

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

I think we see more and more that as bureaucracy overtakes NASA it is just getting killed off. NASA is a perfect example of how increasing gov does not work out in the long run.

Pretty ironic about the sat, people that have left NASA have spoken out about how data is being manipulated or misrepresented to support global warming. Many parts of the US gov will not allow scientists to speak out against global warming without losing there jobs. A year or so ago I saw a scientist that was not allowed to use his title and position when he spoke about global warming because the state he worked for was behind it. :smirk:Would be funny if it was an inside job...

At my father's wedding, My father has a freind that works for the NOAA, and they are not allow to speak about global warming, or he will lose his job. He discuss to me and my father that global warming is pretty much a mith and that the sun has a pattern that goes through stages in it's life span that causes Warmer or colder years then others. The only proof that they have of global warming is that, the polar ice caps were melting, at an extremely slow rate, much less then what the television said. He told us that the only way for global warming would be true if it was a few decades spand that the average temperature increases by .5 degree's each year. He then talk about how the sun could be shifting in the solar system... and what not... then i stop listening. I truely believe global warming is not true, it's just a way for the government to make more money,them greedy sluts.

[ZERO]

As I showed from NASAs own data in another thread it (being the earths climate) is largely effected by the sun as is all current global climate events in the last forever.

Just remember what Al Gore said to a bunch of kids behind closed doors in Washington: "There are things you know, that your parents don't know; about the world. Old people have old ideas... [it may confuse you but your parents are wrong about a lot of things that you know instinctively]". Everything but the [] is exact quote word for word.

[Pilot]

Someone's definitely losing their job this week. Maybe we should just export our entire space program...

I don't know... It's not the first time a space program has lost a rocket, and it certainly won't be the last. Accidents happen. Things don't always go as planned; Parts and systems malfunction. Unforseen events occur. It isn't always "someone's" fault. I'll wait until I read the final report before I pass judgement.

When you're sending up rockets as often as NASA is , things like this are bound to happen. No one bats 1.000.


Sure the mechanics behind the separation of a rocket from one stage of the launch to another has some technical issues, but i think common sense could figure it out. It's not nearly complex as all the technical details of a rocket engine.

Common sense? Are you actually saying that an average person would do just as good of a job engineering a rocket stage separation as a NASA engineer? I have to disagree with you, I think that's FAR above common sense.

I don't know the details, but I'm willing to bet that designing a stage-separation is more technical and complex than designing a rocket engine. A rocket is fairly simple by design, there's not really much to it. It's all the OTHER systems that are complex (eg. navigation, guidance, and control systems, etc.) Getting those systems to do what you want them to do, when you want them to, is the real challenge.

[Hodgie]

I meant that setting up a mechanism to separate something from the main body of the satellite shouldn't be as difficult as the the rocket and all those other systems. I fully understand the fact that problems can occur when you have so many variables and forces acting on a piece of machinery. I've had to do enough studies on that to appreciate how those malfunctions can seemingly magically occur. I guess I was just pointing out the irony of one of the less complex parts of the process causing the failure.
The workings of a rocket are fairly simple in theory. But making one work in the real world and have it work in a precise and controllable manner is much harder.

[ZERO]

Well Iran had no problems with it's first and most recent launch...

[Hodgie]

Well Iran had no problems with it's first and most recent launch...

Yea, their pictures were very convincing...

[Pilot]

I guess I was just pointing out the irony of one of the less complex parts of the process causing the failure.

Reminds me of how the Challenger was brought down by a failed O-ring...

[Hodgie]

Well Iran had no problems with it's first and most recent launch...

The wonders of photoshop

[ZERO]

That has nothing to do with there satellite, if you want proof look for it in the sky. The Russians did not need to show pics of theirs you can see it is up there.... also some fun facts on the name translation:
The satellite name roughly translates to Hope and the rocket to Message or a message of hope. Now to understand this one must understand the religious interpretations of their leader. To him this is a message of hope to the coming of the Admum. (however it is spelled)

[whytboiz33]

a minor leauge baseball pitcher, who was traded for 10 maple bats, killed him self.

[Pilot]

That has nothing to do with there satellite, if you want proof look for it in the sky. The Russians did not need to show pics of theirs you can see it is up there.... also some fun facts on the name translation:
The satellite name roughly translates to Hope and the rocket to Message or a message of hope. Now to understand this one must understand the religious interpretations of their leader. To him this is a message of hope to the coming of the Admum. (however it is spelled)


Yeah, and Ahmadinejad has said that the satellite was built to "spread monotheism, peace, and justice" around the world.

I take anything that Iran says with a grain of salt.

Hmm... maybe if the Soviet Union had named their missiles in Cuba "Love" or "Hope" they wouldn't have been seen as such a threat. And maybe if we had named our ICBMs "Messenger of Peace" there wouldn't have been such tension between us and the Soviets.


Straight up, Iran's launching of a satellite opens the door for future weapons development. Whether they'll use these capabilities strictly for peacful purposes... only time will tell.

Personally, I think they're flexing their muscles. Just like we did about this time last year, when we shot down US-193, a "failing" spy satellite that was only launced 14 months prior, with a ship-launched missile.

[ZERO]

I do not think you fully understood what I was trying to say. We actually said pretty much the same thing, I was saying that by hope he means hope that he can bring about the coming of the twelfth Imam(ha figured it out).


Shi'as believe that Imam al-Mahdi will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war emerges between the human race for no reason. At this time, it is believed, half of the true believers will ride from Yemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen) carrying white flags to Mecca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca), while the other half will ride from Karbala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala), in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), carrying black flags to Mecca. At this time, Imam al-Mahdi will come wielding God's Sword, the Blade of Evil's Bane, Zulfiqar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfiqar) (Arabic: ذو الفقار, ðū l-fiqār), the Double-Bladed Sword.


According to the Shi'ite theologian, on the Day of Judgment a great resurrection of the dead will occur. The most evil men will return to earth to be punished for their wickedness, especially their persecution of the faithful. This resurrection will be limited to both the notorious evildoers and the Muslim saints and martyrs. Others will remain in their graves. In this preliminary judgement, followers of the Hidden Imam will be able to punish their oppressors.


Another prophecy, equally dramatic, describes the appearance of Sa'if ibn Said, the Anti-Christ or Dajjal (The Deceiver), who will attract a multitude of followers. According to the Muslim apocalypticists, the Anti-Christ will be a Jew and the son of a sorcerer. How can we know when he comes? Islamic writers warn that the approach of Dajjal will be marked by several ominous signs. Large numbers of people will no longer pray. Religion will lose its grip on the masses. Moral laxity will become widespread and fashionable. There will no longer be any of the traditional respect for law and order. And at least since Ibn Babawaihi, who died in 1053 A.D., Muslims have predicted that a women's liberation movement of the most shocking sort will signal the End of the Age.


He will conquer all of Arabia, Syria, Iraq, destroy Israel, and then set up a “global government” based in Iraq, interestingly enough, not Iran. Such Islamic eschatology is driving the Iranian regime and helps explains why Iran has no interest in helping the United States and European Union create peace in Iraq or the region, much less in ending its bid for nuclear weapons, the Iraq Study Group Report notwithstanding.


Bottom line: The leaders of Iran are preparing for an apocalyptic war with the U.S. and Israel. It’s not a question of “if” but “when.” The sooner the White House and our new congressional leaders realize this and take decisive action to stop this nuclear nightmare, the better.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nzc1YTNjZDlmZjU3MzBjMTNhMjFhNDNmYjNmNjU0NTI=#mo re

[Pilot]

Ah, I see what you're saying now...

So their "hope" is the hope that the rest of the "infidel" world will be completely obliterated.


Just to play a game of semantics:


Shi'as believe that Imam al-Mahdi will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war emerges between the human race for no reason.


No reason? They're ALWAYS a reason. Even "eh, I just felt like sending a missile their way" is a reason. It actually sounds like we're pretty safe from this Imam guy :icon_mrgreen: