WCS RE pop

[Sgt mail box]

Hey Zero,
I have been a long time player, and I miss the wcs server population. Lots of people have stopped playing and the maxed out few that still do(like my self) are deterring new players from playing. I wanted to know if you considered resetting everyone's skills. I feel it would help to re populate the server.
And to answer the counter argument i assume most of you will make "But im maxed out and i dont want to reset it" what is the point if no one plays anyways.
Thats my bit,
Toodles

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Btw I am a noob to the Ibis forum but am a long time player of Ibis WCS (Years) So please take me serious lol

[Trigger Unhappy]

I like this idea. I may not be completely maxed.. but part of the fun is levelling up right? it takes zero skill to be a maxed vaga, or maxed human..

[rawrr]

+1 :wtg:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

fuck the hell no

[rawrr]

fuck the hell no

you dont play anyway, why do you care?

[Sin]

Do it Zero. Fucking do it.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

you dont play anyway, why do you care?

i do from time to time. and this was never an issue on the old server, for some reason.

[Sin]

Lol the old server wasn't around this long and had more races if I remember correctly. Dat EVA doe.

[Passarelli]

No. The lag is fixed and that was the only acceptable time to even consider resetting xp.

The server needs some balance tweaks, but this is not the way to do it.

Adding races, restricting races, and restricting item combinations on some races should definitely be attempted before resetting xp.

[What]

Honestly, I have not even loaded source on my new comp, so delete them or whatever, don't think thats really a long term solution though, some of the gamers will max the ones they want pretty quickly and be doing the same stuff people bitch about within a month. I would be a fan of a yearly cycling of xp or something like that, but overall, don't really have a horse in this race anymore. Reason being, its not the people that caused it to die, its how the mod itself is currently structured.

[Wolfenstinger]

it takes zero skill to be a maxed vaga,



hah...hahahaha....hahahahahahhaa......hahhahahahah ahahaahah.... hah..hahaa...ha...haaa...hah... im done.

[Trigger Unhappy]

hah...hahahaha....hahahahahahhaa......hahhahahahah ahahaahah.... hah..hahaa...ha...haaa...hah... im done.

Feel free to laugh, but I just joined the server playing a level 0 race and someone comes in and immediately joins as a maxed out vaga... I really dont consider that skillful.

And just to clarify, to get to a maxed out vaga takes skill, playing it 1v1 or in a mostly empty server doesn't.

[Trigger Unhappy]

also the tomes5 /tomes10 command is broken.

[ZERO]

Now that I finally got a lot of website updates and other shit behind me expect wcs to finally fucking get updates out and changes often. I have actually been thinking of restructuring how xp is leveled. This could involve spacing the levels more between races and increasing each races max levels along with a non linear scale for leveling races.

[Blackmage]

I voted I'm an idiot because its funnier. I'm all for resetting everything except for Raps!

[Passarelli]

Zero! That stuff is all well and good but I personally think the largest thing right now is when there are very few people on the server and several of them are new and someone switches to human, vaga, spidy, santa, jack, die xonvert (though less common) or such everyone leaves.

I also have another idea that might bring some interest back into the server--I'll have to catch you on steam to brainstorm it out if you have time.

[Sin]

Why don't you just share with the class Pass? This is a discussion forum after all.

Let's discuss the pros and cons of your ideas.

[SCRIBBLE]

There is absolutely no incentive to play WCS anymore. No new races despite "race development." The same maps are played all of the time, so much that 10 minutes of WCS feels the same as playing 24/7 iceworld for weeks on end.

I remember when the prospect of EVA being reintroduced was viable and was looking forward to the continued implementation of new races but now seeing people post new race ideas is fucking hilarious. How do they not realize they are just pissing in the wind?

How many times has someone suggested that simple changes would aid in recovering the server population only to be placated by pipe dreams.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

No but I do like the idea of reseting.

Just not mass reset.


Is there currently a way for a player to reset them selves?
I dont think the issue is new players n9t having any races but rather new players who just suck at css in general. Im by no means good but I was persistent and got better. I had an incentive to continue past the dredge, I even held the top 10 until I left for my deployment.

A bit of balance work like what suggested, a way for players to reset there stats and xp, and incentives that keep people coming back for more. I.e. events like I used to do. wcs drinking game... look that shit up breh.

[Sin]

wcs drinking game... look that shit up breh.

"yo dawg..."

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

"yo dawg..."

Peeps be cray, gettin all white gurl wasted up in the wcs server#sweg

[Sin]

put some game in yo game so you can game while you game

[SCRIBBLE]

put some game in yo game so you can game while you game

http://hextcgblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/hey-dawg-i-herd-u-liked-metagame-so-i-added-more-game-to-the-metagame-so-we-can-game-while-we-metagame.jpg

[Sin]

That meme is ruined because not "yo dawg"

[SCRIBBLE]

Now that you pointed it out I can only imagine some out of touch white dude made it for his Presbyterian friends after LARPing to laugh at while drinking milk at dinner.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Now that you pointed it out I can only imagine some out of touch white dude made it for his Presbyterian friends after LARPing to laugh at while drinking milk at dinner.

i don't know many presbyterian LARP players, actually.

[Pie Q]

It's time to shut the server down. We've all had some good times ; I'll miss it

[What]

i don't know many presbyterian LARP players, actually.

But you know some, which is still terrible.

[Yolo Swaggins]

want to repop the server? add bots that you can play with. If you don't like the easy xp of bots just turn the difficulty way up. People don't usually join in pairs and there's nothing to do if nobody else is in the server. You have to get that first person in there and sticking around before you can get the second one in.

[Passarelli]

There Sin. Go flame me now >_>

[acolyte_to_jippity]

But you know some, which is still terrible.

i know one. who is only presbyterian to get the pension and benefits.

[Trigger Unhappy]

Even if no action occurs, I really like the amount of input people are providing.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Even if no action occurs, I really like the amount of input people are providing.

that useless larpers part or the actual beef of the thread? lel

[ZERO]

So I was looking into it and I think it might be possible to restrict races based on player count.

[Passarelli]

That is the best news I've heard all year.

[Pie Q]

Restrict the number of Helms of excellence based on the player count. If player count >0 restrict helm to 0.

[Passarelli]

pie, he already nerfed helms. I could see restricting them on races with evasion and even extra health but on all races? Unnecessary.

[CYBER]

pie, he already nerfed helms. I could see restricting them on races with evasion and even extra health but on all races? Unnecessary.
pie's just salty that the aimbot isn't 100% supereffective when people buy that damn helm.
it's an instant first purchase item when pie joins the server...before the damn lace.

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also pie. go into the race suggestion thread and look up "SPY" made by yours truly.
i fucking hate your ass, but this might be a fun race you'd wanna try if it ever got made... you know, unless it's all piss in the wind. (huh, where did that come from)

[Sin]

Why would any races you nerds come up with be made? This isn't CEGamer you fuckos.

[::Paper::]

So I was looking into it and I think it might be possible to restrict races based on player count.

Still missing the entire point of this thread was to reset the races so that new comers A) have a chance and B) might possibly get ppl to play again because they can level up again ( relive the experience of leveling up)
I never join anymore because its pointless to play with maxed races and people just team stack its always been a problem maybe if you can have a way to have it device the teams based on level that would be something ( maybe you already did im just trolling forums )

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Still missing the entire point of this thread was to reset the races so that new comers A) have a chance and B) might possibly get ppl to play again because they can level up again ( relive the experience of leveling up)
I never join anymore because its pointless to play with maxed races and people just team stack its always been a problem maybe if you can have a way to have it device the teams based on level that would be something ( maybe you already did im just trolling forums )
How about instead of subjegating everyone to a reset, you ask to have your exp reaet individually. If you find it boring due too being maxxed... asked for a peraonal reset.

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This whole.. new players just leave cause the maxed players stomp... excuse doant fly. Human is arguably the strongest and most frustrating race to play againts and new players have it as a starting race. If players keep dying, they should get better at css in general. Exp and the number of races someone has is not a testament to skill.

[::Paper::]

How about instead of subjegating everyone to a reset, you ask to have your exp reaet individually. If you find it boring due too being maxxed... asked for a peraonal reset.

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This whole.. new players just leave cause the maxed players stomp... excuse doant fly. Human is arguably the strongest and most frustrating race to play againts and new players have it as a starting race. If players keep dying, they should get better at css in general. Exp and the number of races someone has is not a testament to skill.

It is fine if you dont want to change anything the server can just stay dead we don't really care we are just giving ideas to help better the community. :reddot::reddot:
Yes Human is indeed strong when you max it however there are many races that can beat it and i feel its just the assholes who are keeping the server unpopulated you dont listen to any ideas except your own and just bash anyone who says otherwise ( yes that was a human reference)

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

It is fine if you dont want to change anything the server can just stay dead we don't really care we are just giving ideas to help better the community. :reddot::reddot:
Yes Human is indeed strong when you max it however there are many races that can beat it and i feel its just the assholes who are keeping the server unpopulated you dont listen to any ideas except your own and just bash anyone who says otherwise ( yes that was a human reference)
That is not true amd it doant matter how much you change the server, of players cant get past the initial learning curve, they should be playing in a mini game server. The biggest problem and cause for qq is not players lacking races and exp. Its players who are genuinely bad at counterstrike. I can promise you right now, the 10 player I can think of off the top of my head.. will wreck just as hard with a mass reset. So a mass reset ia not the solution. As I suggested previously. If you personally find it boring, ask for a peraonal reset. That option is available to you.

[::Paper::]

That is not true amd it doant matter how much you change the server, of players cant get past the initial learning curve, they should be playing in a mini game server. The biggest problem and cause for qq is not players lacking races and exp. Its players who are genuinely bad at counterstrike. I can promise you right now, the 10 player I can think of off the top of my head.. will wreck just as hard with a mass reset. So a mass reset ia not the solution. As I suggested previously. If you personally find it boring, ask for a peraonal reset. That option is available to you.

Then i leave you with this why dont you put to a vote/test save the levels for the server then set it all to 0 give it 2 weeks see if population increases if not you win your point is valid its the noobs or the idea wins more people come back start playing and you find out how a community actually works by listening to each other ideas.

[Wolfenstinger]

I'd like to state that ... even if the server was reset (levels and XP) alongside with psychostats getting reset....

It's going to last for about another year before it needs another reset like this. If that even. I might be also giving it too much seeing how hitting 975 levels .... doesn't take FOREVER but it takes FOREVER.

I vote to bring back over-leveling. It's gonna increase XP gains on people who kill the higher leveled Vagas, Succubus Hunters, Santas, Undead Scourge, etc.... but That's just a bonus for killing that player imo. It's part of the reason I actually had stopped playing as much as I did maybe. Personal opinion though, take it how you will.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Then i leave you with this why dont you put to a vote/test save the levels for the server then set it all to 0 give it 2 weeks see if population increases if not you win your point is valid its the noobs or the idea wins more people come back start playing and you find out how a community actually works by listening to each other ideas.

Why are you getting offended? I never once denounced anyone's ideas and equally respect them as i respect my own. Being that i own my own community, ill help you understand a couple things that revolve around what you have stated.
By shunning the server because you find it boring.. you are part of the problem. Servers dont magically fill themselves when they are consistently empty. Look at pub in the past for example. What did a few members of our community do about it? They started toughing it out and playing in the server more often. Making it a fun and welcoming place. When i a server is populated, people join it.
You have this singular mindset that the only way to fix this problem is to reset everyone's hard work and commitment. I can tell you right now, aside from myself, people will disagree. Its a fact that you must bear with in life. Not everyone is going to agree with what you think.

As far as actually addressing the issue.. no one has given a clear and concise description as to what it is. No one has described any factors that are resulting in the problem. If we dont know that.. how do we fix it? Fixing a big problem like this requires taking it one step at a time. Its moot to toss yourself into a brick wall when you can chip away the foundation.

Players have the ability to request exp resets. A few bold WCS vets who truly want to make a difference should lead the way. This puts them back into the server and populating it. Step one accomplished.

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I'd like to state that ... even if the server was reset (levels and XP) alongside with psychostats getting reset....

It's going to last for about another year before it needs another reset like this. If that even. I might be also giving it too much seeing how hitting 975 levels .... doesn't take FOREVER but it takes FOREVER.

I vote to bring back over-leveling. It's gonna increase XP gains on people who kill the higher leveled Vagas, Succubus Hunters, Santas, Undead Scourge, etc.... but That's just a bonus for killing that player imo. It's part of the reason I actually had stopped playing as much as I did maybe. Personal opinion though, take it how you will.

I like the old over leveling idea. It brought alot of competition xD

[BladeTwinSwords]

The overleveling was what made it fun. You could see just how high you could get a race.

Without it, there just isn't any fun in playing a maxed race.

Level 200 Vagalions made for very good XP.

[SCRIBBLE]

Reset exp and implement over leveling. It would make for the competitive environment that makes the wcs server fun in the first place.

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Who the fuck cares if you lose your xp, not like you play on the server anyways.

[::Paper::]

Why are you getting offended? I never once denounced anyone's ideas and equally respect them as i respect my own. Being that i own my own community, ill help you understand a couple things that revolve around what you have stated.
By shunning the server because you find it boring.. you are part of the problem. Servers dont magically fill themselves when they are consistently empty. Look at pub in the past for example. What did a few members of our community do about it? They started toughing it out and playing in the server more often. Making it a fun and welcoming place. When i a server is populated, people join it.
You have this singular mindset that the only way to fix this problem is to reset everyone's hard work and commitment. I can tell you right now, aside from myself, people will disagree. Its a fact that you must bear with in life. Not everyone is going to agree with what you think.

As far as actually addressing the issue.. no one has given a clear and concise description as to what it is. No one has described any factors that are resulting in the problem. If we dont know that.. how do we fix it? Fixing a big problem like this requires taking it one step at a time. Its moot to toss yourself into a brick wall when you can chip away the foundation.

Players have the ability to request exp resets. A few bold WCS vets who truly want to make a difference should lead the way. This puts them back into the server and populating it. Step one accomplished.

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I like the old over leveling idea. It brought alot of competition xD

Its moot to toss yourself into a brick wall when you can chip away the foundation.
The problem with that is you wont be able to find the problem because its been empty for a few months now and no one has done anything to fix it so you can keep trying to find the foundation for a year or you can bull doze it down and start building over i personally just think its a better idea to start over and add overleveling you should take a vote and see again which one you want to move foward until then this thread is pretty much dead ( maynard close incoming )

[Wolfenstinger]

I remember hearing awhile back that there was some looking into of converting all the XP we have over-gained after maxing to turn it into levels for our races in order to convert the server from max levels to over-leveling
I don't have any confirmation, but vaguely VAGUELY remember something like this being said... But if not, well; I'm fine with a mass reset of the server if that provides over-leveling. Just would like to state that this Mass Reset should be advertised as what date it would be before it happens.

Also, that would mean I have 3 accounts to level; Wolfenstinger, Malevolence, and Renegade. :smirk:

[Erdenay]

Since this was brought to my attention, I'll chip in my 2 cents:

First of all, this:


I voted I'm an idiot because its funnier. I'm all for resetting everything except for Raps!

Now, as far as serious input goes, here are my few thoughts:

1) I do think that server reset would fix some of the problems, but it's not actually a long-term viable option (it's a bandage at best). I would personally recommend this as a start as that would possibly bring back at least some people and it would make it more competitive.

2) Over-leveling should definitely be implemented. As far as I can think off, there are no big disadvantages and it does add a lot of motivation.

3) The server was very stale and static. Same maps, a lot of same people, same issues (stacking, whoring, abusing the system, etc.) which means that at least partially the issues were in the community. Granted, some of these are difficult to address, but others are definitely solvable:
a) Development, patches, changes, balancing are all welcome (think DotA, WoW, LoL patches where they slightly adjust the numbers). I'd say anything that brings innovation and chaos into the fold is great as that throws players off the same curve and brings some incentives to stay.
b) Get rid of majority of the maps, especially the one that are very similar. I was personally SO SICK of the office maps and variations of it as I can remember when I came to the server, played office, then office07, then office, then cs and de crackhouses then office again. While some players might like it and it allows for easy stacking/whoring/etc., it's extremely unhealthy for the server. Stricken the map rotation as well so other maps that aren't played as much would get some love.
c) I've seen some good development towards the measures against anti-stacking and etc, but I think there's still plenty of improvement possible there.
d) Finally, zero, anything new (race, items, "events," etc.) would be extremely welcome.

4) I *personally* would recommend some chances to the rules, but I'm not sure overall how welcome that would be. In my opinion, allowing mods (as long as they don't abuse that power) to specifically punish "toxic" players (by toxic players I mean people who always stack and lets say only play human 24/7) would be welcome, but I realize this is controversial in the IBIS community and I'd highly doubt it will be implemented.

5) Lastly, I think a big part of the initial issue was that a lot of people in the community felt like they were completely ignored and that no one really cared for the server. While I don't necessarily agree with this completely, I do think that a bit more love and attention from clan would go a long way.

All of these are my strictly subjective opinions. I do not feel entitled and I realize our word might not necessarily mean a lot, but as someone who has spent a lot of time in the server and someone who loved this mode to death, I thought that I at least owe this post.

EDIT: I also forgot another thing that was one of the largest reasons why I was attracted to WCS - competitive scrims. I thought those were absolutely great and even with all of the current issues in the server, I'd probably still would like to participate, so I'd highly recommend considering doing one of these every now and then as they put a lot of life, excitement and interest into the server.

[ZERO]

I already said in another thread that I plan to change the leveling of races completely in the future to make it take much longer and at that time to basically double the level cap of all the races. (so maxed players would then start at 50% complete) Basically races will level up fast at the start and then really slow down as they approach their maxes.

To do this requires reprograming all the races which i am already doing anyways. I am also redesigning them in such a way as that changing how many levels the race has can be changed easily without needing to make 50 edits to every ability.

[SCRIBBLE]

In the meantime, reset xp!