P A P I R A C I S T - kicking admins

[Absolution]

Admin's INGAME name: P A P I R A C I S T
You're INGAME name: Absolution
Server:ZE
Map:Desert Fortress / Ice Hold
Date & Time: RIGHT NOW

How did he/she abuse (See TOS): kicked both admins - Absolution + m4 m@n 6 FD GOD ibis.a

***PICTURES BELOW

Papi kicks admins to get seniority all the time. I have a screenshot of him telling people he knows how to kick me, an admin. And i have a screenshot of Chris also saying papi is kicking admins. I was just kicked earlier (ive been kicked like 50 times) and ive posted about this before but obviously nobody did anything about it. After kicking me, he also kicked m4 m@n 6 FD GOD ibis.a who was senior at the time. And guess who was next in line for seniority when m4 m@n 6 FD GOD ibis.a was kicked? Obviously fucking papi. After being kicked, m4 m@n 6 FD GOD ibis.a added me and told me he got kicked so he should be posting on this thread as soon.

I can see Evan posted a thread of him abusing the slap command also so something needs to be done about this faggot.

ONLY THING I WANT OUT OF THIS THREAD IS THAT THE KICK GLITCH IS FIXED. so faggots like papi dont kick admins and get away with it. FIX THE KICKING GLITCH, HE CAN KICK ANY ADMIN HE WANTS. i dont even care if he looses admin or not, just fix the glitch and we wont have little fuckers like him abusing their power and all will be solved.

http://i59.tinypic.com/op2p2q.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/10qgwvc.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2s1oxzl.jpg


Incase the above pictures dont display, here are the links for it.

http://i59.tinypic.com/op2p2q.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/10qgwvc.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/2s1oxzl.jpg

[sup]

lol, you call that "proof"?

[Absolution]

how can i get other proof ... theres no chat box message or anything in console. ZERO NEEDS TO CHECK AND FIND OUT. theres no message in console or anything so BASICALLY HE CAN KEEP KICKING ADMINS AND NOBODY CAN GET PROOF? SO ITS THAT EASY RIGHt?

[Evan52098]

I was also kicked by papi when I had senior today. But when you kick someone, it does not provide a message saying who kicked you.

[najtsirk]

I was also kicked earlier when i had seniority, i was gonna change map to atix helicopter but i got kicked and map went to ice hold. - m4 m@n 6 FD GOD

[Absolution]

REALLY need an ULA to look into this. Theres no message on chatbox, or console when u get kicked. All these admins getting kicked so papi can take seniority. SIMPLE SOLUTION = FIX THE GLITCH WHERE ADMINS CAN KICK ADMINS, PERIOD.

[respork pls]

On that second screenshot it is not real proof. I was there (clearly) and racist didnt kick anyone that day. It was just joking around. Therefore the second screenshot, and most of them is invalid.

[sup]

On that second screenshot it is not real proof. I was there (clearly) and racist didnt kick anyone that day. It was just joking around. Therefore the second screenshot, and most of them is invalid.

None of his fucking screenshots are proof. In fact I don't think he understands what the word "proof" means. Anyone fluent in French here who can reach him? I think we're gonna have to talk to him in his native tongue.

[RofLoLmao]

REALLY need an ULA to look into this. Theres no message on chatbox, or console when u get kicked. All these admins getting kicked so papi can take seniority. SIMPLE SOLUTION = FIX THE GLITCH WHERE ADMINS CAN KICK ADMINS, PERIOD.
ULAs dont handle admin abuse, clan does, but thats none of my business tho.

[maynard]

admin kicks should show up in the console and at the very least if it doesn't now for some reason the demo will show it.

when in doubt... pull the demo... it's the best way to figure shit out. demo's located at.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/6434-Links-to-Demos

[Evil]

Absolution for clan.

[jimmay]

admin kicks should show up in the console and at the very least if it doesn't now for some reason the demo will show it.

when in doubt... pull the demo... it's the best way to figure shit out. demo's located at.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/6434-Links-to-Demos

I've attached the demo for desert fortress which is where the kicking appears to happen and is what Absolution appears to be talking about. After desert fortress, the map is changed to ice hold, however in the demo I don't see the commands shown in console or otherwise despite admins like Absolution complaining of being kicked and some admin changing the next map.

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Ticks:
71.5K Absolution "disconnects"
72.0K Absolution rejoins and questions who kicked him
96.5K Map is changed to Atix (presumably by FD God)
99.0K FD God "disconnects"
100K Map is changed to Ice hold

From the demo, I can't determine with certainty if there is any foul play or abuse going on in terms of kicking or map change. The disconnects can't be differentiated from kicks and who changes the map isn't showing up in the demo. Would the server logs show what commands were being used and by whom?

[swagbot 9k]

ONLY THING I WANT OUT OF THIS THREAD IS THAT THE KICK GLITCH IS FIXED. so faggots like papi dont kick admins and get away with it. FIX THE KICKING GLITCH, HE CAN KICK ANY ADMIN HE WANTS. i dont even care if he looses admin or not, just fix the glitch and we wont have little fuckers like him abusing their power and all will be solved.

http://i59.tinypic.com/op2p2q.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/10qgwvc.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2s1oxzl.jpg


Incase the above pictures dont display, here are the links for it.

I know how to murder someone, if you want to know ask me on steamchat.

OH NO PAPI WAS MURDERED. Since Swagbot said he knows how to murder someone, he must've done it! I have proof via screenshots of a discussion!

Person of interest? Maybe but hardly concrete evidence to suspect. But of course, how they catch criminals in Dirty French Canuck land might be different.... faggot.

[respork pls]

On that second screenshot it is not real proof. I was there (clearly) and racist didnt kick anyone that day. It was just joking around. Therefore the second screenshot, and most of them is invalid.

what tongue, i dont remember any tongue, maybe that's why most of all the words he speaks it's not even a sound that can be associated with the english alphabet.

[FearLess]

Really??? A thread about admins kicking admins, just to get senior admin on server, grow up kids....that's all I have to say.

[BladeTwinSwords]

From what I remember correctly, admins can kick on the SB page.

[StarsMine]

From what I remember correctly, admins can kick on the SB page.

Yup, and sometimes its actually useful. I know when I used it in the past while at a most techincal level it was abuse but it was getting one of those people that bought admin for the only purpose of getting around punishment from other admins when breaking all the rules.... But man that was a long time ago...

But usually it tells you council kicked you if you do that, or at least it did back then. Is that now Kicked by this server?

Anyways, this turned into something watched carefully, to full on abuse. Racist, dont do this.

[hoshiro-]

Why can't we all just be mature adults and get along

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Yup, and sometimes its actually useful. I know when I used it in the past while at a most techincal level it was abuse but it was getting one of those people that bought admin for the only purpose of getting around punishment from other admins when breaking all the rules.... But man that was a long time ago...

But usually it tells you council kicked you if you do that, or at least it did back then. Is that now Kicked by this server?

Anyways, this turned into something watched carefully, to full on abuse. Racist, dont do this.

I've seen kicks show up too so I'm wondering why it didn't

[$Money$]

IDK if Racist kicked or not but what's gonna end up happening is zero will take away our ability to change maps because of stupid shit like this, way too much drama going on over maps. For some reason it all comes from ZM, weird :banghead:

[BladeTwinSwords]

IDK if Racist kicked or not but what's gonna end up happening is zero will take away our ability to change maps because of stupid shit like this, way too much drama going on over maps. For some reason it all comes from ZM, weird :banghead:

Because of ZM, we've already lost zspawn, switching teams mid-round, and a few other things. Abuse in ZM is very commonplace because of the average age of ZM players combined with the sheer number of people.

[anex]

This is something Zero is going to have to look into to. Regular admins will probably just end up not getting access to sourcebans and be a ULA and Clan privilege. Since this is a sourcebans issue.

[BladeTwinSwords]

This is something Zero is going to have to look into to. Regular admins will probably just end up not getting access to sourcebans and be a ULA and Clan privilege. Since this is a sourcebans issue.

Well that would prevent the beachbum incident from ever happening again.

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At the very least, admins need access to the ban page.

[hoshiro-]

Then what would happen if someone disconnects to try avoid bans? We wont be able to ban him anymore

[BladeTwinSwords]

Then what would happen if someone disconnects to try avoid bans? We wont be able to ban him anymore

You have the ability to ban people who have disconnected via the admin menu.

[swagbot 9k]

Because of ZM, we've already lost zspawn, switching teams mid-round, and a few other things. Abuse in ZM is very commonplace because of the average age of ZM players combined with the sheer number of people.

ZM is common for abuse from both admin and player from the size like you said, but I also think zm attracts the troll side of CSS as well. Not sure why but I see way more of it there then let's say GG. Removal of sourcebans ability to kick and ban would work but at the same time, is there a way in sourcebans to whitelist admins like we have done in server?

[Absolution]

I've attached the demo for desert fortress which is where the kicking appears to happen and is what Absolution appears to be talking about. After desert fortress, the map is changed to ice hold, however in the demo I don't see the commands shown in console or otherwise despite admins like Absolution complaining of being kicked and some admin changing the next map.

8995

Ticks:
71.5K Absolution "disconnects"
72.0K Absolution rejoins and questions who kicked him
96.5K Map is changed to Atix (presumably by FD God)
99.0K FD God "disconnects"
100K Map is changed to Ice hold

From the demo, I can't determine with certainty if there is any foul play or abuse going on in terms of kicking or map change. The disconnects can't be differentiated from kicks and who changes the map isn't showing up in the demo. Would the server logs show what commands were being used and by whom?


Thank you Jimmay for pulling this demo. You can obviously see two admins were kicked and something needs to be done. So how coincidental is it that i get kicked first, and than FD God gets kicked when he canceled the vote for "ice_hold" (the map papi wanted) and he changed the map to atix_helicopter, FD God gets kicked and the map goes to ice hold leaving papi as senior. Jimmay asked a good question "Would the server logs show what commands were being used and by whom?".

[sup]

Yes, thank you Jimmay for doing the work and the deductive reasoning that Le Quebecois here is not capable of.

[StarsMine]

I feel like that sort of response out of you is 100% inappropriate

[Xerenix]

This is something Zero is going to have to look into to. Regular admins will probably just end up not getting access to sourcebans and be a ULA and Clan privilege. Since this is a sourcebans issue.

This and slap should be limited from normal admins (Don't care if it gets removed for ULA either since it has no use) on ZM since appearantly idiot admins there can't seem to understand nor read the rules. It has no use anyway other than for abuse.

[Absolution]

I've attached the demo for desert fortress which is where the kicking appears to happen and is what Absolution appears to be talking about. After desert fortress, the map is changed to ice hold, however in the demo I don't see the commands shown in console or otherwise despite admins like Absolution complaining of being kicked and some admin changing the next map.

8995

Ticks:
71.5K Absolution "disconnects"
72.0K Absolution rejoins and questions who kicked him
96.5K Map is changed to Atix (presumably by FD God)
99.0K FD God "disconnects"
100K Map is changed to Ice hold

From the demo, I can't determine with certainty if there is any foul play or abuse going on in terms of kicking or map change. The disconnects can't be differentiated from kicks and who changes the map isn't showing up in the demo. Would the server logs show what commands were being used and by whom?

Still waiting for a conclusion from this thread. 2 admins were kicked in the demo. Blade also says hes been kicked when he had senior, thats 3 admins. All by papi the fucking shitty admin. REMOVE sourcebans or whatever it is that will disable this fucking little prick from kicking admins to get seniority.

[phil.™]

Still waiting for a conclusion from this thread. 2 admins were kicked in the demo. Blade also says hes been kicked when he had senior, thats 3 admins. All by papi the fucking shitty admin. REMOVE sourcebans or whatever it is that will disable this fucking little prick from kicking admins to get seniority.

This is now in clan discussion. I advice anyone else talking in this thread if you are not related to it.

[SCRIBBLE]

Let me know who is slapping themselves in ZM. Pm me on the forums or message me in steam.

Ice hold is one of racist's favorite maps.

[Steamer]

Two people I could have perma banned quite a while ago. One good, one evil. I may like this ending.

[maynard]

matter of clan discussion now as this shits getting old. closed, not resolved till clan makes a decision.

[ZERO]

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[ZERO]

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[ZERO]

Do not worry, remember that I always say that everything is recorded? Well, everything is always recorded and in multiple places multiple times. There are records of the records records.

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Lets say for example that an admin gets kicked on L 01/09/2015 - 17 : 33 : 49. The logs as you see clearly indicate that the web server sent the kick. So we adjust our clocks and check the logs of the logs to 01-09-15 18:33. Oh looks like the server kicked a player STEAM_0:1:12425358 on 208.43.70.234:27015. Well where did this order come from?

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So that log records this info and tells another log to record it who also logs that logs extra longs of the events that it was logging to backup the other logs logs of the command logs. All those logs then contain this nice data file of what the server was doing at that time:

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Date:

01-09-15 18:33

Details:

hoshiro- kicked player 'Absolution <ibis.a>' (STEAM_0:1:12425358) from 208.43.70.234:27015.

Command Origin IP:

173.173.8.245

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9010

Yep you did.

9011

Admin powers removed. Banned for 1 month.

9012
No it is not
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For reference this was not the only log all the other ones are there in addition to some from other players. The clan will be looking over all the logs and cross referencing them to check for abuse. Note that in the case of hoshiro- there is a lot of incidtents of him doing this. His punishment and any others upon further investigation may change. In addition a full review of all incidents will be made so that we can ensure that admins do not attempt this shit in the future.

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[I'm a zambi]

hoshiro- kicked player 'Absolution <ibis.a>' (STEAM_0:1:12425358) from 208.43.70.234:27015.

Wow, that was ... unexpected.

[Absolution]

I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. hoshiro just got fucked up. ive been getting kicked for weeks now and i didnt know how to get proof, thank you zero for fucking this guy up. 1 month ban and admin removed, good fucking game.

[$Money$]

I have to give Zero some credit, very nice layout :wtg:

[ModestVeteran]

ZERO is the god of anime, but not the God of Steam Sales.

[sup]

I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. I FUCKING LOVE ZERO. hoshiro just got fucked up. ive been getting kicked for weeks now and i didnt know how to get proof, thank you zero for fucking this guy up. 1 month ban and admin removed, good fucking game.

hoshiro's ban will expire in a month but you'll be a fag for the rest of your life.

[Absolution]

^ Like i give 2 fucks what you think about me. There are others that came up on the logs from what zero said so hopefully those pricks will also get banned.

[sup]

obviously you do since you screenshot me every time I call you a fag (I hope you have a big enough hard drive to store all the pics).

[maynard]

Hosh was the one who kicked you and many other admins. he's banned for a month

resolved, closed.

[ZERO]

ZERO is the god of anime, but not the God of Steam Sales.
But today is the last day of the steam anime sale...

[maynard]

But today is the last day of the steam anime sale...

...oh you:smirk: