Whats a brother got to do?

[Rosie]

To get a game going in WCS again.

[iNoToRiOuS]

I supppose, light fireworks?

[$Money$]

Same as Pub, just gotta keep checking. Ppl will come soon enough.

[rawrr]

I haven't played wcs in forever!! Maybe I'll join you sometime

[Kasp3r]

no D: don't leave GG </3

[rawrr]

You come play too, Kas!!

[Kasp3r]

ok :3 <3

[Passarelli]

Rawr, you always say, "I have to sleep" or "I have to eat." When Rosie asks you give an open invitation? I see how it is.

Check in on weekends. I'm usually on and chomping at the bit to play WCS, though I'm usually in GG. I check between maps to see if someone is on WCS though

[rawrr]

Rawr, you always say, "I have to sleep" or "I have to eat." When Rosie asks you give an open invitation? I see how it is.

Nothing personal.. :smirk:

[Passarelli]

Mmhmm, I'm sure. Next time it'll be "I need to go to work" or "death is knocking on my door."

I just want 3 other people online aso I can actually finish leveling rapscallion.

Rosie, feel free to add me on steam. I'll hop in whenever I can.

Cyber, hurry up and get your compy back or whatever, I'm not going to sit in the server alone.

I miss i204. I know you hated him and thought he hacked--which I doubt, I played with him a lot--bit we used to be on when no one else was and just fucked around. Knife rounds, practice scouts, nade rounds (which I would actually consistently win). I think I'll see if I can convince him to come back sometime.

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By the way Cyber, you are now ranked 3rd! You have almost the exact time played as me also. I could catch Ronnie if there were people in the server and I had a few hundred hours to spend. Maybe next year if I get a gig running a daycab or such.

[rawrr]

Mmhmm, I'm sure. Next time it'll be "I need to go to work" or "death is knocking on my door."

I planned on replying to this, but death was knocking :smirk:

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‡Ð€A†HS¤SHAÐØW‡: *knock knock*

[Kasp3r]

Rawr Senpai</3 ibis.a: ‡Ð€A†HS¤SHAÐØW‡: *knock knock*
Kasp3r :3 a.sibi: Rawr: "Who is it?"
Kasp3r :3 a.sibi: ‡Ð€A†HS¤SHAÐØW‡: "Delivery" :3
Kasp3r :3 a.sibi: RAWR: "oh ok" xD opens door
Kasp3r :3 a.sibi: ‡Ð€A†HS¤SHAÐØW‡: My names ЀA†H and i'm about to fuck someone's wife....Long dick style MUAHAHAHaaa :3
Kasp3r :3 a.sibi: Rawr dies D:

fixed it for u :p

[Passarelli]

I was debating on that one or "sorry, I have to go dig my own grave."

[CYBER]

Mmhmm, I'm sure. Next time it'll be "I need to go to work" or "death is knocking on my door."

I just want 3 other people online aso I can actually finish leveling rapscallion.

Rosie, feel free to add me on steam. I'll hop in whenever I can.

Cyber, hurry up and get your compy back or whatever, I'm not going to sit in the server alone.

I miss i204. I know you hated him and thought he hacked--which I doubt, I played with him a lot--bit we used to be on when no one else was and just fucked around. Knife rounds, practice scouts, nade rounds (which I would actually consistently win). I think I'll see if I can convince him to come back sometime.

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By the way Cyber, you are now ranked 3rd! You have almost the exact time played as me also. I could catch Ronnie if there were people in the server and I had a few hundred hours to spend. Maybe next year if I get a gig running a daycab or such.


i genuinely can't say why this thread was calling out to me, and then there ya go, directed chat towards me lol...
Lol of course you could catch ronnie if there's the slightest hope of people in the server, just long enough for the server to rage quit 5mins in from ronnie racewhoring on T.

and this computer shit's hit me hard... after sending it to multiple technicians, and even talking a look myself, it comes down to either the processor or the moba or both... and that's gonna set me back hard for the current bi-weekly.
i knew overclocking that shit was a wasted risk... not like that speed helps improve gameplay:P

[Rosie]

and this computer shit's hit me hard... after sending it to multiple technicians, and even talking a look myself, it comes down to either the processor or the moba or both... and that's gonna set me back hard for the current bi-weekly.
i knew overclocking that shit was a wasted risk... not like that speed helps improve gameplay:P

Mine was the moba last time I cooked one from overclocking it. Just start from scratch.

[Passarelli]

The processor is possible but unlikely. Change out the mobo first, since if you cooked your processor your mobo will most likely be dead.

Didn't you just get that compy? Did you build it yourself? If so, make sure you have it grounded properly. If you forgot to put any of those washers on, it would act dead, but would likely work again if you replaced the washer.

[rawrr]

i just finished playin a map in wcs with peppers. where were you, pass? :smirk:

[Wolfenstinger]

Lemme get right ontop of that...

9680

[Passarelli]

Driving an 18 Wheeler. Q.Q

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Wolfenstinger, does that mean I can unban you?

[Wolfenstinger]

Driving an 18 Wheeler. Q.Q

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Wolfenstinger, does that mean I can unban you?


Where the hell did this come from? No.

[StarsMine]

Wolf is playing other games instead. :lmao:

[Wolfenstinger]

Wolf is playing other games instead. :lmao:

You have no proof! :icon_mrgreen:

[Joker]

Lol but I do wolf.......well stars may too because he's playing other games too lol:lmao:

[CYBER]

meh.
for me the most recent alchemist race along with the individual whoring of people supposedly "veterans". along with questionable skillsets from certain people were the end of WCS.

Unless we can get a "ban system" for specific 3-4 races that people vote for, for 5 rounds, and then reset... stackwhoring will still be a thing, and the server will remain dead.
Unless we get the go to start banning people that deliberately stackwhore to the point of causing the server to go extinct with the little playerbase we already have, the server will remain dead.
Unless more people become active in monitoring a specific bunch of people, making it impossible for them to even sneeze without it being recorded, they will still do quesitonable shit, people will still flame, and the server will remain dead.


it's a shame. i loved that server, but at some point, it went from a fun yet competitive scene, to full tryhard stacking with gay buttbuddies always conveniently on your team, for grinding xp for psychostats and making the server's population cut by half within 5 minutes.

I called this shit 2 years ago, people refused to listen that these cunts will be the end of the server, and now all I can say is "i told you so, all of you, but you refused to listen or do anything about it.".


I think the only thing that would make wcs REMOTELY a possibilitity? It's is if zero programs an instant randomizer at the beginning of each round, that can't be manipulated , denying team changes.

And making the game more "elemination" oriented by having the respawning scroll price cut in half multiplicatively for each person you killed before biting the bullet, respawning you after a short delay. (certain maximum restriction to specific races... u know the ones.)

Effectively making the game more fast paced, with more respawns the more kills you get , but that won't snowball off the charts because the randomizer will change your team every round, heck even EVERY TIME YOU SPAWN in the same round.

Add chaos! add fun. add humor.
Remove the "perfect races to win", remove the boredome. remove the tryhardness and stack/whoring.
Making it basically a randomized wcs team deathmatch each round.

This hopefully would be a temporary "situation" when it comes to the scroll pricing, and randomizer, but it would probably help bring in new blood from gungame, and other communities looking for quick "fuck everything" deathmatch games within wcs. And so this will make it easier for low level people to grind their levels AT THE COST OF THEIR KDR duh.


And allowing people the mentality to not care about ruining their kdr in exchange for reviving and going full ham ??? that's probably the best thing this server could ever need...
the kdr whores ruined the server. Time to clean this shit up, and @zero needs to be on board, or else all his work's gone in vain because of a few stupid stackwhoring rank-grinding kdr-caring cuntnuggets.


^ but who am i to voice an opinion amiright?

[Rosie]

Cyber I understand your points, but at the same time those people are not playing anymore. I seriously doubt that they even monitor the dead server. I love the idea of a monthly scrim amongst the people who are on the forums. That would cause the people in GG or even ZM who want to play outside of scrim time to lvl up races. There were years of work put into the server and it would be a shame to let it just die without trying. On a separate note does anyone still have the password for the test server? I want to try the new races I never got a chance to play. I broke my comp after dragonfly was released.

[Passarelli]

While I find a lot of Cyber's ideas outlandish and thinka simpler solution will give more bang, he has one great point--Zero needs to be here.

Rosie, you're wrong that they don't look at the server. There are still a couple that do.

[Rosie]

Point taken, had a few people in there last night, and had an old regular show up when he saw people in there. Had a guy show up for first time last night and played a few hours, and asked a lot of ?s. I think he's hooked.

[Wolfenstinger]

On a separate note does anyone still have the password for the test server? I want to try the new races I never got a chance to play. I broke my comp after dragonfly was released.

Should still be ibiswcs, in accordance to this post (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5449-WCS-Test-Server) and last time i used it.

[ZERO]

What if I made it so that you can vote to block a user from the whore races. For the rest of the map that user would be restricted from particular races.

[ZERO]

Another option would be for KDR based protection of other players. Basically a system that auto balances the game for when KDR is way out for a particular player so that the game gets harder for them.

When a player takes damage a plugin can look at the KDR of both players and compare them for example:

Player A with KDR 5 hits Player B with KDR 1 so the plugin would see that player A has an advantage and reduces all incoming DMG from said player by X%.

By making X a value tied to the KDR difference and curved function we can make it so that there will not be impacts on players with small KDR differences but when players are "whoring" it becomes almost impossible for them to continue to deal DMG.

This can be viewed as a "fun" solution to the issue of whoring b/c the whore still gets to whore around but now the game actually gets harder for them as they go on and so it is actually a real challenge to whore to high KDR values. This also makes it much easier for less skilled players to have a chance against the whores so they can enjoy the game too.

[ZERO]

So what the system would do is Subtract the KDR of 2 players:

The player who is attacking has their KDR compared to the victim. This is done by subtracting the KDR of the victim from that of the attacker. If this is a positive number we know that the attacker has a higher KDR then we apply it to a formula such as:

(0.0000000000000000002110073(X^2)) + (0.025X) - 0.025 = % to reduce DMG by

Do you all want me to make this and put it on the server?

[Passarelli]

Not unless you are doing KDR on a race by race basis. If not, this would make people play specific races even more. I'd rather see :
better auto balance > a reset (with hopefully a future prestige system) > overleveling > new races.

A system that is defaulted to that is turned off by 66% of votes that organizes teams into some semblance of balance. You could use KDR for this. Don't have people with high KDR on the same team. Spread the skill evenly across teams. Make it auto balance every 3 rounds in case new people join. make it illegal for people to try to game this system by going spec and forcing a normal auto balance then joining the other team.

I don't feel that making someone brand new who has no levels have essentially 1000 hp between your idea and the current newbie bonus thing would make the game more fun.

[ZERO]

The table for that KDR formula would look like this:


1
0


2
0.025


3
0.05


4
0.075


5
0.1


6
0.125


7
0.15


8
0.175


9
0.2


10
0.225


11
0.25


12
0.275


13
0.3


14
0.325


15
0.35


16
0.375


17
0.4


18
0.425


19
0.45


20
0.475


21
0.5


22
0.525


23
0.55


24
0.575


25
0.6


26
0.625


27
0.65


28
0.675


29
0.7


30
0.725


31
0.75


32
0.775


33
0.8


34
0.825


35
0.85


36
0.875


37
0.9


38
0.925


39
0.95


40
0.975





As you see it has a non noticeable result until the guy who is 20 and 0 is trying to kill the guy who is 3 and 5. Only the whore races are getting into the 20+ range to begin with and when users of similar KDR values are shooting each other the results are negligible. Lastly most of the whore races do not have high DPS but high DMG per hit. This type of system impacts races like that the most. The regular races are being impacted the least. The key here is that the plugin would forcefully level the playing field by literally making the game harder for better players as they noob stomp.

[Rosie]

That second idea sounds great.

[Kasp3r]

Another option would be for KDR based protection of other players. Basically a system that auto balances the game for when KDR is way out for a particular player so that the game gets harder for them.

When a player takes damage a plugin can look at the KDR of both players and compare them for example:

Player A with KDR 5 hits Player B with KDR 1 so the plugin would see that player A has an advantage and reduces all incoming DMG from said player by X%.

By making X a value tied to the KDR difference and curved function we can make it so that there will not be impacts on players with small KDR differences but when players are "whoring" it becomes almost impossible for them to continue to deal DMG.

This can be viewed as a "fun" solution to the issue of whoring b/c the whore still gets to whore around but now the game actually gets harder for them as they go on and so it is actually a real challenge to whore to high KDR values. This also makes it much easier for less skilled players to have a chance against the whores so they can enjoy the game too.
that would be cool, i like it :3

[Joker]

The table for that KDR formula would look like this:


1
0


2
0.025


3
0.05


4
0.075


5
0.1


6
0.125


7
0.15


8
0.175


9
0.2


10
0.225


11
0.25


12
0.275


13
0.3


14
0.325


15
0.35


16
0.375


17
0.4


18
0.425


19
0.45


20
0.475


21
0.5


22
0.525


23
0.55


24
0.575


25
0.6


26
0.625


27
0.65


28
0.675


29
0.7


30
0.725


31
0.75


32
0.775


33
0.8


34
0.825


35
0.85


36
0.875


37
0.9


38
0.925


39
0.95


40
0.975





As you see it has a non noticeable result until the guy who is 20 and 0 is trying to kill the guy who is 3 and 5. Only the whore races are getting into the 20+ range to begin with and when users of similar KDR values are shooting each other the results are negligible. Lastly most of the whore races do not have high DPS but high DMG per hit. This type of system impacts races like that the most. The regular races are being impacted the least. The key here is that the plugin would forcefully level the playing field by literally making the game harder for better players as they noob stomp.

I like this a lot. It wouldn't really make a huge difference to people who have a lower kdr and will make a bigger different with a huge kdr. My only concern is that if this is running as an active script wouldn't this take up a lot of cpu/ momeory bandwidth? I mean even if the script only like 50kbs we would have to times that by the number of people time the amount of times you set it to refresh. If you set it to per kill it can run a shit load of times and possibly bog down a system. I don't know what kinds of system specs you have in the background, but I thought I would just bring up this point.

[ZERO]

The cost of stuff like this is very low things like modifying entities ect is way way more cpu intensive. This is just running a simple formula on the damage calculation and when coded properly has no real impact on server performance.

[CYBER]

What would stop someone from simply rejoining to reset that kda?

And what if someone was getting kills but decided to switch to a weaker race (like rapscallion) to have fun or go easy on enemies.
Wouldn't that affect their dmg on a weak race?

[ZERO]

It is only going to compare the KDR of the 2 players current races. Players who are retrying in order to manipulate the balance system can be easily identified and banned.

[ZERO]

Ok the mod is in the server now for testing. Note that you as a user will not receive any messages as to this program doing anything. It passively changes the dmg values accordingly.

[Passarelli]

Zero, while I appreciate you working on WCS, I really don't see how this is going to do the current issues. The most this is going to do is make those who whore races add races to their stacking rotation. So now people are going to play human, then jack, then molecule, then bond, then lion or the like.

[ZERO]

I can design it to carry over your kdr from another race or just use a players current KDR.

[StarsMine]

The rotation is what we wanted I thought....

[Passarelli]

Stars, what is the difference between someone going 30-3 with one race and going 10-1 with 3 different races?

Zero, any way you slice this, it just looks like you are punishing people for doing well. If you made overleveling and those who whored races would be level 80+, that'd be a shit ton of xp which would allow for newer people to level up faster to help close the distance. It still doesn't make up for the player's experience level with the mod, but it'd help and make it more fun for the new guy (gaining levels is fun!) Not only that, but what do you do about races like genocide? or undead 'accidentally' ulting at the end of the round. Hey, they aren't denying xp!

I still think Wolfenstinger's take on a solution is the way to go. I was just trying to make his approach more barable for people with 1400 hours in the server (you know, like me ;p )

[What]

Still a potent metaphor for how this is going.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE