Pass/What Election Madness [Archive] - Page 2

CYBER

10-07-2015, 08:39 PM

Scrib voted Trig. Trig claimed doc carson and says someone who was voting for him was mafia (Cyber, Scrib, Zambi). Scrib votes me. Rosie votes Scrib because I was not one of those on Trig.

I've currently dumbfounded that not one, but two people seem to have changed their tune when Rosie restated his claim. Given he claimed it here (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202383#post202383) before he even voted for Scrib, my thoughts on what people were doing seems to have been wrong. I was partially basing my suspicion of Rosie on multiple people doubting this claim rather than whatever it is when people don't bother to read. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

unvote

This is a very important quote. I did in fact miss the "commuter" part when i first read through rosie's claim, and only focused on the lie detector 1 shot part because it's a very important role, and then it was used on me.
I'm not gonna lie, I was at first slightly tilted that my role allowed me to put myself out there and let town know that I'm town automatically... but since i got jewed over by some hidden mechanic (whether from a mod hidden ability or a player using something on me....), I don't know if my shit will proc today, tomorrow, or any time, or ever at this rate... So in retrospect, I'm somewhat relieved that Rosie did in fact use this shit on me, so that's a thing.

Be more careful... I saw it too. Which is why I thought to clear you... so if you aren't soft claiming my vote will go back to you.

Which brings me to this argument:

unvote Trigger.

@Trigger.
This is important.
Do you know if it was ONE or more people voting for you during that day? I'll be taking your word as a fact since this will help me know how to associate with some people people.
If more, then we got zambi and scribble red handed.

IF ONLY ONE, then that makes this game a bit eerie...
reason:
Didn't scribble call out zambi as acting scummy in some earlier post? Which makes me beg to think these 2 arent together....and if zambi and scribble aren't partners, and trigger's the one who narrowed down one mafia member out of the two to zambi or scribble, then that means that either rosie or blackmage is his partner...

Before I explain this more, I need to know that fact from trigger before committing to a list of ultimatums for a lynch before deadline.

Trigger Unhappy

10-07-2015, 08:47 PM

Rosie

10-07-2015, 09:45 PM

Sorry guys, I may have given misleading information towards my role. I do not know how many mafia were voting for me. That is not my role. I do not want you to make a lynch based on that. I have a high suspicion that 1 of the people that voted for me is mafia. Based mostly on odds. Sorry for the confusion.

Fucking Unvote

When you stated that, and Scrib and Cyber were the only 2 voting for you. And like I have said, Cyber IS town. I thought you had a x-shot Day sensor or some shit. Sorry Scrib.

Passarelli

10-07-2015, 11:46 PM

For clarification since What fails at time, the deadline is a second past Friday at 23:59:59--known as midnight Saturday.

What

10-07-2015, 11:49 PM

See people, this is the madness that I have been dealing with....

CYBER

10-08-2015, 12:02 AM

unvote if any.
Christ trigger.

Ok, post ur suspicions right now. everyone. fuck

Trigger Unhappy

10-08-2015, 12:56 AM

Still really interesting responses from scribble and Cyber, and lack of response from black and zambi. I'm claiming now. I'm been Carson town executioner. Odd days only. I give this information because i now think black and zambi are our two mafia. I think enough people have an fos on zambi for us to be confident in lynching him.

Blackmage

10-08-2015, 01:32 AM

John Kasich, town redirector. Brought Zambi to me night 1. Reasoning there: risks just me, rather than information or true protection role if he's dangerous, if he's a cop he can clear me, if he's a doc, I make sure the protection is towards town N1.

The one I'm most suspicious is, and always has been, Scribble. The more he does, the more I distrust him. But, I decided not to bash my head against that wall in this game. Beyond that, finding out that seemingly everyone missed Rosie's claim really threw a wrench in my theorizing. If I had to choose right now, I'd point at Zambi. Mostly because he hasn't done much, but tried to use the train on scribble to clear the one I'm suspicious of, as well as himself.

Rosie

10-08-2015, 08:43 AM

Vote Zambi

Mostly due to his lack of responses, and general scumbaggery feeling.

Nemesis

10-08-2015, 10:02 AM

boring as dicks.

I'm a zambi

10-08-2015, 11:55 AM

Oof, not being online for a day hurts. My computer's charger cable snapped so I haven't been able to post since around mid day yesterday. Hopefully I'll have a replacement tomorrow but I'll try to visit my library.

Blackmage, your redirect is interesting but my role's effect was null anyway because I chose the wrong person. The idea that both of my foses are OMGUSing me is hilarious, in my opinion - unfortunately I'm on my phone right now so responding to each of your theories is constrained at the moment - I'll try to get to the campus library at some point later today to explain some things.

Not to push for the idea, but what are the consequences of no lynching (besides a potential loss)? Black age mentioned it earlier and I'm wondering just how much information you guys think we can gather vs. how risky it would be (i.e. some kind of sniper role?) would it be worth it to narrow the pool to lylo with more of a chance of lynching mafia with more than just one day's worth of information? Whether or not a no lunch is an option, it's certainly a better one than lynching me.

Praise the lord, may he heal your tormented minds. :smirk:

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Blackmage* autocorrect lawl

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No lynch* too

Rosie

10-08-2015, 12:31 PM

I just ate, I am good with no lunch.

I'm a zambi

10-08-2015, 05:16 PM

What the actual fuck is going on. These last few posts make zero sense.
Not sure about everyone else, but I unvoted Trigger because everyone seems to be convinced from his last post that he's town. I'm still not so sure, but I don't want mafia to jump in and hammer him before we have a chance to assess the situation a bit more, especially since we're in mylo and if he is somehow town, that's game.

Scrib voted Trig. Trig claimed doc carson and says someone who was voting for him was mafia (Cyber, Scrib, Zambi). Scrib votes me. Rosie votes Scrib because I was not one of those on Trig.
In that case, I just realized something.
Vote Trigger Unhappy

This is a very important quote. I did in fact miss the "commuter" part when i first read through rosie's claim, and only focused on the lie detector 1 shot part because it's a very important role, and then it was used on me.
I'm not gonna lie, I was at first slightly tilted that my role allowed me to put myself out there and let town know that I'm town automatically... but since i got jewed over by some hidden mechanic (whether from a mod hidden ability or a player using something on me....), I don't know if my shit will proc today, tomorrow, or any time, or ever at this rate... So in retrospect, I'm somewhat relieved that Rosie did in fact use this shit on me, so that's a thing.
I don't know how I feel about this either, but everything so far this game has pointed to you being town, so I'm not going to question that.

Which brings me to this argument:This is important.
Do you know if it was ONE or more people voting for you during that day? I'll be taking your word as a fact since this will help me know how to associate with some people people.
If more, then we got zambi and scribble red handed.
Based on prior info, I'm almost entirely sure that Trig is mafia. There's one exception I can think of but I shaved it off with Occam's Razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor).

IF ONLY ONE, then that makes this game a bit eerie...
reason:
Didn't scribble call out zambi as acting scummy in some earlier post? Which makes me beg to think these 2 arent together....and if zambi and scribble aren't partners, and trigger's the one who narrowed down one mafia member out of the two to zambi or scribble, then that means that either rosie or blackmage is his partner...
This is exactly my point. I'm not sure why people are boarding this Zambi/Scribble wagon, it makes no sense based on earlier posts alone. Granted, mafia will often bus, this just isn't the case here. The only clearly 'scum' thing I did that could implicate us as partners would be my refusal to bandwagon him in mylo. At this point, I don't a trust a single thing Trig says. If he's going to push the me/Scribble envelope, then I'm almost certain that that clears Scribble as well. Based on that, my only foses can be Rosie and Blackmage, one of whom backed down in mylo.

Ok, post ur suspicions right now. everyone. fuck
Interestingly, no one in this game strikes me as a partner to Trig. I'm feeling a bit of cognitive dissonance in this regard. My only real reason for 'fossing' Rosie is the convenient claim of lie detector, since it was just mentioned as an off-hand remark in the day previous.

Still really interesting responses from scribble and Cyber, and lack of response from black and zambi. I'm claiming now. I'm been Carson town executioner. Odd days only. I give this information because i now think black and zambi are our two mafia. I think enough people have an fos on zambi for us to be confident in lynching him.
This only further reinforces my suspisions of Trig/Rosie. To be fair, I haven't given much of a glance at Scribble and I don't know that I can read Blackmage, so I'm only basing my assessments of him on his behavior alone.

Anyway, my Cybering is done.

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Also, isn't 'executioner' a mafia role? Or do I need to do a bit more research?

Rosie

10-08-2015, 05:29 PM

It states that it is usually a Mafia role, not exclusive.

Unvote

I only voted for you hoping that you would respond.

Honestly I can see where everyone has acted scummy in some way. Including my semi drunken early claim. The only person I trust is Cyber for obvious reasons. We are @ mylo not including Doc, and vests. If we no lynch we return to mylo even if one of us dies. I still believe there is prob another Illuminati third party active as well. If true that means that everyone except for one of you is lying.

For me that means I have a 75% chance of guessing scum or third party, and 25% chance to end the game. I can do nothing else except stay alive another night. So b4 we hammer someone, each person should evaluate there role and see if night actions can pull us back to a 50-50 chance at hammer the next day. If not we have less than 30 hours to end this day.

I'm a zambi

10-08-2015, 05:41 PM

Blackmage

10-08-2015, 05:42 PM

Also, isn't 'executioner' a mafia role? Or do I need to do a bit more research?

First, nope, either side. Second, from the sign up thread, "It will have regular roles, though not necessarily standard alignments based on them."

On MyLo:

If we don't lynch, we risk a second kill at night. We risk whatever happened to Cyber happening to someone else. If we can protect, we get a free night. If an investigator survives, we get more information. If we only lose one person, we gain a smaller suspect pool. We risk someone making a bad vote tomorrow and watching the mafia double vote and clinch the game. Trig can pull the trigger if he gets a single person agreeing with him.

If we lynch, if we hit town, we're in doc or die. With Rosie being commuter, the doc pool is only three people minus any scum he thinks there are. Hitting scum is best case scenario overall, and will reveal something about them.

These are some of the things that jump out at me. However, we need to choose if we want to NL about now, because mod lynch is a crapshoot at best.

Rosie

10-08-2015, 05:50 PM

#Fear-dice-rolls

Trigger Unhappy

10-08-2015, 05:52 PM

First, nope, either side. Second, from the sign up thread, "It will have regular roles, though not necessarily standard alignments based on them."

On MyLo:

If we don't lynch, we risk a second kill at night. We risk whatever happened to Cyber happening to someone else. If we can protect, we get a free night. If an investigator survives, we get more information. If we only lose one person, we gain a smaller suspect pool. We risk someone making a bad vote tomorrow and watching the mafia double vote and clinch the game. Trig can pull the trigger if he gets a single person agreeing with him. I realize that I have given accidental bad information, but I have always tried to correct bad assumptions.

If we lynch, if we hit town, we're in doc or die. With Rosie being commuter, the doc pool is only three people minus any scum he thinks there are. Hitting scum is best case scenario overall, and will reveal something about them.

These are some of the things that jump out at me. However, we need to choose if we want to NL about now, because mod lynch is a crapshoot at best.

This is why I'm important not to lynch. If I stay alive through night time even if its 2v2 with 1 vote against someone I can cast the deciding vote... making this not a Mylo situation. But for that I have to survive. Also if I was mafia, why would I claim a role that is 50% of the time or more a mafia role. I was worried about claiming this role day 1 when there was a train on me because it can be construed as mafia.

I'm a zambi

10-08-2015, 05:53 PM

First, nope, either side. Second, from the sign up thread, "It will have regular roles, though not necessarily standard alignments based on them."

On MyLo:

If we don't lynch, we risk a second kill at night. We risk whatever happened to Cyber happening to someone else. If we can protect, we get a free night. If an investigator survives, we get more information. If we only lose one person, we gain a smaller suspect pool. We risk someone making a bad vote tomorrow and watching the mafia double vote and clinch the game. Trig can pull the trigger if he gets a single person agreeing with him.

If we lynch, if we hit town, we're in doc or die. With Rosie being commuter, the doc pool is only three people minus any scum he thinks there are. Hitting scum is best case scenario overall, and will reveal something about them.

These are some of the things that jump out at me. However, we need to choose if we want to NL about now, because mod lynch is a crapshoot at best.
Interesting assessment. I'm going to have to side with a lynch then. You bring up an good point with needing fewer votes to lynch tomorrow if we nl, I wasn't thinking about that.

I'm not sure what you mean by a second kill, unless you're saying a second kill in this game.

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This is why I'm important not to lynch. If I stay alive through night time even if its 2v2 with 1 vote against someone I can cast the deciding vote... making this not a Mylo situation. But for that I have to survive. Also if I was mafia, why would I claim a role that is 50% of the time or more a mafia role. I was worried about claiming this role day 1 when there was a train on me because it can be construed as mafia.
JFC, every single time.

Trigger Unhappy

10-08-2015, 05:54 PM

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@Trigger.
This is important.
Do you know if it was ONE or more people voting for you during that day? I'll be taking your word as a fact since this will help me know how to associate with some people people.
If more, then we got zambi and scribble red handed.

IF ONLY ONE, then that makes this game a bit eerie...
reason:
Didn't scribble call out zambi as acting scummy in some earlier post? Which makes me beg to think these 2 arent together....and if zambi and scribble aren't partners, and trigger's the one who narrowed down one mafia member out of the two to zambi or scribble, then that means that either rosie or blackmage is his partner...

Before I explain this more, I need to know that fact from trigger before committing to a list of ultimatums for a lynch before deadline.

Also if I was mafia, I would have gone along with this. I could have won the game here by pretending to be the role that was mistaken for me. I didn't because I am not mafia.

Blackmage

10-08-2015, 06:25 PM

Zambi: If the mafia has, as you said, sniper, or a poisoner, or there is a vig who decides he wants to try his luck, or is dick cheney and has to shoot, ect.

Trig: (If you were scum) Going with his statement would have been a gambit. Moreso if there is a mafia member on your train. As for the role, read what I quoted from the sign up page. If you're town, unless you have a way to survive the night, it still looks MyLo to me.

SCRIBBLE

10-08-2015, 07:42 PM

My vote stays.

Rosie

10-08-2015, 08:36 PM

JFC, every single time.

Just for a change, or Just fucking cause?

Blackmage

10-08-2015, 09:06 PM

I read it as Jesus Fing Christ.

I'm a zambi

10-08-2015, 10:42 PM

Zambi: If the mafia has, as you said, sniper, or a poisoner, or there is a vig who decides he wants to try his luck, or is dick cheney and has to shoot, ect.
I think if we had a poisoner we would know about it; people are notified when poisoned, right?
unless we have a roleblocker, Dick would have had to have shot N1, same with a serial killer, but I think we're done with 3rd party.

(I'm back on my phone again socI can't write out very long responses until tomorrow)

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My vote stays.
Same here.

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I read it as Jesus Fing Christ.
Yup .

Blackmage

10-08-2015, 11:31 PM

If we accept that Cyber is town, we pretty much need to accept that there is information hidden from us. However, a second kill is just something we risk. Some of the things I listed may not be relevant. Such as if we don't have a doc, there's no doc or die. If we don't have an investigator, we won't get that information.

Right now, I want to see what Cyber has to say. We've had input from everyone but him, and, even though I'm a little late:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/499/735/83e.jpg

What

10-09-2015, 12:32 AM

People's Current Votes
Blackmage - none
Trigger - Zambi
Rosie - none
Zambi - Trigger
Scribble - Blackmage
Cyber - none

What

10-09-2015, 10:33 AM

You have just over 12 hours remaining.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 11:21 AM

Blackmage or trig.

Either one works, they are both scum.

Rosie

10-09-2015, 12:39 PM

Yo my car broke down, and I have to go into mechanic mode for upwards of 8 hours. So........Vote Trig

Zambi seemed more believable.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 01:07 PM

Trig is less scummy than black, we should get rid of black.

I'm a zambi

10-09-2015, 03:24 PM

Zambi seemed more believable.
I suppose there's a first time for everything. :smirk:

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Trig is less scummy than black, we should get rid of black.
I'm not so sure I understand.

Trigger Unhappy

10-09-2015, 04:06 PM

Guys... could Cyber have been stumped without the notification happening? He has not be talking at all...What other types of notification would you need to MOD to send out? I can think of 1 other besides stump but can''t clearly remember what its role is.

Lets go through the FOS so far.

Rosie - Trig
Zambi - Trig
Trig - Zambi
Scribble - Blackmage
Blackmage - ? who's your FOS?
Cyber - ? hasnt spoken.

Who has claimed

Rosie -1 shot lie detector and Town Commuter
Trigger - Town Executioner Odd Days
Scribble - No Claim
Cyber - No Claim
Blackmage - No Claim
Zambi- No Claim (Mafia)

Fill in the blanks if i missed a claim or FOS

Rosie

10-09-2015, 04:11 PM

Town commuter on Even nights only btw, I said it the first time but forgot on 2nd post.

What

10-09-2015, 04:46 PM

Around 6 hours left.

Trigger Unhappy

10-09-2015, 04:48 PM

Can we replace cyber in time? him being absent is hurting town. Either way... with Mod kill there is a 2/3 chance of town lynch. We need to vote. I don't care for who at this point.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 05:01 PM

Vote for Blackmage then.

I'm a zambi

10-09-2015, 06:47 PM

scribble - no claim
cyber - no claim
blackmage - no claim
zambi- no claim (mafia)
l o l

Rosie

10-09-2015, 07:00 PM

Guys... could Cyber have been stumped without the notification happening? He has not be talking at all...What other types of notification would you need to MOD to send out? I can think of 1 other besides stump but can''t clearly remember what its role is.

Innocent child is also revealed by Mod?

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Unvote

Vote Scrib

The more you post the scummier you seem, sry man.

I'm a zambi

10-09-2015, 07:04 PM

Going to be out for the night, so unless one of you posts a reason in the next hour why I should change my vote, I'd like to lock it in.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 08:09 PM

Someone claimed for me out of nowhere at some point.

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Oh, shit. I didn't see the last two posts, not that it changes anything.

Blackmage

10-09-2015, 08:17 PM

So, Scribble says "choose either" then when Rosie does his response is "I didn't really mean EITHER". He really likes me. Well I like you too, man! vote Scribble

Trig, first Rosie, now me? Read post 270 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202570#post202570). Might want to check this one (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202573#post202573) out too.

Votes, ATM:
Blackmage - Scrib
Trigger - Zambi
Rosie - Scrib
Zambi - Trigger
Scribble - Blackmage
Cyber - none

Unless someone gets back, looks like this will be in God's hands. If all of this has been a ploy by Cyber, no one will trust him ever again.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 08:25 PM

im here and reading evreything. hold your horses. i have 2 pages to catch on ...just finished my afternoon shift and planned this time specifically for mafia.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 08:34 PM

[QUOTE=Blackmage;202627 If all of this has been a ploy by Cyber, no one will trust him ever again.[/QUOTE]
No joke.

Anyway, when did I say "I didn't really mean EITHER"?

I have no clue of the idea or message you are attempting to convey with your last post Black. What are you trying to say in the second part addressing trig?

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I don't know if it's because I have been drinking that I don't understand it or what, but apparently I can't format a post either.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 08:40 PM

Ok here's what we have for today:

Rosie nailed it earlier fyi so (and i know this is gonna sound shady) if there IS a doctor, DO NOT bother protecting me.
I know myself to be town.
Blackmage suspects scribble.
scribble suspects blackmage and trigger.
Trigger suspects Zambi.
Zambi suspects trigger.
Rosie believes zambi, claims that I'm town by investigation, suspects scribble (or just posted it at the last second when more votes leaning on trigger so that it appears for tomorrow that rosie and scribble aren't allies?).
I believe absolutely fucking no one at this point, but I am believing scribble less and less by each post.

Vote scribble.

If rosie was gambling, his vote currently is putting scribble at a definite lynch. Let's see if he backs down or not. I need to make sure rosie and scribble are not on the same team in order to filter out some alliances.

Voting scribble allows us to clear both blackmage and trigger for the next day if scribble is mafia as he is clearly wagoning them the most, putting more focusing onto zambi and rosie for tomorrow, rosie to a lesser extent if the lynch goes throw with is deciding vote on scribble.
If scribble is NOT mafia, then we need to look back at what scribble gave as information and look into blackmage and trigger, blackmage more as a priority.

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I'll be around hopefully, and will try to refresh the page every 30 mins or so (in between my league games), so if there's some information i need to know, or scribble posts the mother of all defenses, let me know here.

Blackmage, you like doing these little reference links.
Can you post me your lovely post that contains a link to every person who ACTUALLY claimed?
I know rosie hardclaimed everything, and u posted the link, but i feel like i missed the triggger or scribble claim during the clusterfuck conversation earlier and I just went back 3 pages and can't seem to find it.

Blackmage

10-09-2015, 08:42 PM

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 08:48 PM

Cyber, how about you read the posts instead of asking for help in finding the important stuff. Scum.

Blackmage

10-09-2015, 08:52 PM

Mine: 270 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202570#post202570) John Kasich, town redirector
Trig: 269 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202569#post202569) been Carson town executioner
Rosie: 186 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202383#post202383) Rick Santorum, The Town Commuter, even nights only

Zambi I do not believe to have hard claimed. Scribble has not.

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Scribble: I assume because he knows I have these notes and we're on borrowed time ATM.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 08:55 PM

291 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202604#post202604) then 293 (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13820-Pass-What-Election-Madness?p=202606#post202606).

Trig saying I didn't claim, when I claimed including action. The second post was Zambi vaguely softing.

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and I lost the quotes somewhere, that was at Scribble.

One sec Cyber, at work ATM, so don't have my notepad.

Town executioner , wait what?
Never heard of this shit.
I thought executioner was a third party that really wants someone lyncher, in other words, a lyncher... which is ironically STILL not a priority at this point...

WHat i STILL do not fucking understand, is that if YOU are the redirector, blackmage, and u used it on zambi onto you, then WHAT THE ACTUAL fuck happened to my fucking abilities during the day.
It's STILL boggling my goddamn mind that I cannot find a single explanation short of me being full of shit and lying to everyone. Now i'm actually grateful for rosie lol... (which i'll admit would be the best gambit ever.... and let's face it, i'm not lucky enough to pull that off...).

but again, SOMEONE is holding back on something. Because you claimed, trigger claimed, rosie claimed, zambi did not claim? scribble... ehm.. u say he claimed, but i dont think he did? I practically claimed my role 3 times now, and someone recently mentioned it exactly.
So for now, the only people we don't know about are zambi and scribble.

I need a hard claim for both of you, right now. @zambi AND scribble.
I need to know who the fuck cockblocked me , and HOW, in order to know if that shit can happen to someone else and fucking us up.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 08:57 PM

It doesn't take much effort to keep up or catch up. That was just filler. Whatever.

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Yeah, not going to happen.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 08:58 PM

It doesn't take much effort to keep up or catch up. That was just filler. Whatever.
took me less than 10 minutes to read and catchup on multiple pages, AND post a cyberwall.
So that filler was to tell everyone to not freak out about wanting to modkill, or wondering if i'm afk, or gonna make an appearance, or if i have anything to say, just in case my wall took longer to write while thinking of who's the least damaging lynch target, aka you.

Blackmage

10-09-2015, 08:59 PM

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 08:59 PM

Cyber, I'm Ronald Reagan and I'm fucking your mom. That's what I did last night Cyber, I fucked your mom.

Blackmage

10-09-2015, 09:01 PM

Also, Zambi said he was out for the rest of the night as of an hour ago. Don't think you'll be getting that claim either.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 09:03 PM

well. you don't claim. you get the rope, then we SEE what you are. That's as simple as it's gonna be scribble.
And you have little to no time to fake claim AND convince us why lynching u is a bad idea.
so go ahead, tell us why your obsession with trigger and blackmage as targets is a better lynch option than you right now.
We know SOMETHING about them, even if it's a fake claim, they at least had the balls to risk a fake claim... you, however, are still a mystery to me right now.
And none of the other roles I heard so far can affect mine, so what are YOU?

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Cyber, I'm Ronald Reagan and I'm fucking your mom. That's what I did last night Cyber, I fucked your mom.
argumentum ad odium.
aka appealing to anger.
cute scribble. Didn't think I'd ever see you go there honestly.

I'm a zambi

10-09-2015, 09:07 PM

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 09:07 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

CYBER

10-09-2015, 09:07 PM

Executioner can force a lynch when someone has half, or more than half, depending on mod. If I said Scribble claimed, I said something wrong.

Also, Innocent child? I assume you weren't trying to stump, and Child clears you, so that was my assumption.

My shit should have been automatic at start of day 2.
Then when it didnt happen, I was like ... ok, maybe the mods forgot? Or maybe the wording of my role meant that AFTER day 2, I can call out the mod to proc my passive so that I don't just clear myself on day 1. Because you know, day 1 is dedicated to lynching cyber right? lol...

But then when I did that... nothign happened.. .wrote the mods, apparently all is working as intended, so now this entire game is a big WTF moment to me as i've never heard of anything that could prevent an innocent child of confirming himself via mod, short of there being some stupid role like a disabler that needs to die first before my role procs, or unless theres a roleblocker in the game, and OUR mod decided that blocking me at Night 1 actually ends up blocking me at day 2 because that role isn't a night action... Which is nonsensical to me... so again... WTF happened to me is the question of the day.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 09:08 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm a zambi

10-09-2015, 09:10 PM

Unvote, in the event that I get bored and check the IBIS forums to find someone MORE suspcious than Trig. (unlikely.)

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Could happen. I'm interested in this Scribble wagon.

CYBER

10-09-2015, 09:10 PM

Fucking hardclaimed against a mug, holy shit this fucking shit hurts, alright,
yeah, I haven't hardclaimed, but if you look through my posts, I've made an obvious hint as to my role in regards to my suspicions.\
In essence, I've been ccd, inadvertently.

I'm Mike Huckabee (not that it's a hardclaim, necessarily), but I have a fairly faithful role. And no it isn't angel, you shits, or is it lover. I'm town, not 3rd.

Interested to see what Scrib posts. Scrib/Trig is against my fos, but again, mafia busses all the time - we'll see, I guess.

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nor is it*

wait what the fuck? who counterclaimed you?
you fucking don't mention counterclaiming you?

Last time someone counter claimed me in a game, I thought they were trying to RS me (roleswap with me) and keep me alive as a cop, but then it turned out they were mafia and that screwed me over the very next day.

So right now, who Counter claimed you? The ultimatum is important for either today or tomorrow, based on what happened.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 09:17 PM

I have a hard claim for cyber's mom.

What

10-09-2015, 09:55 PM

About 1 hour left.

What

10-09-2015, 10:25 PM

35 minutes left. Remember to follow the rules, no bitching if you fail to do so.

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 10:43 PM

tick tock. vote blackmage.

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haha so mafia probably realizes they can't vote without seeming scummy because you sure as hell know I will show up town.

What

10-09-2015, 10:50 PM

10 minutes

SCRIBBLE

10-09-2015, 10:59 PM

oh lawd 90 secoinds

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Ohhhhhh lawwwwdddddddd

What

10-09-2015, 11:21 PM

No Vote has been reached, no more talking.

Procedures will be mentioned shortly.

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First, you are the worst collection of jackasses I have had the displeasure of being around.

Second, the lynch will be decided by RNG in the following way.
Each person will have 1 chance of being selected, and there will be 1 chance for a no lynch. Additionally, each vote on a person will count as an extra chance for the person.

The numbers are as follows.

1-no lynch
2-Cyber
3-Blackmage
4-Blackmage
5-Trigger
6-Rosie
7-Scribble
8-Scribble
9-Scribble
10-Zambi
11-Zambi

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The day stretched on for ever. With each passing second the people seemed to get dumber and dumber until finally, in a pile of their own drool they collapsed from the shear weight of their own ignorance.

Suddenly, from above, this nation's first and greatest President descended from the clouds. General George Washington looked quite displeased at how lowly his esteemed office had now fallen. He hated them all for what they reduced it to, but his rage was reserved for one person in particular.

Some might call him maverick, others insane. He preferred the term socialist, but it was all for naught now. Washington unsheathed his sword and struck a fatal blow.

Blackmage - Bernie Sanders - Mafia Usurper and Redirector has been killed.

Before he returned to the lush gardens of heaven, Washington turned back and said,

"Now get yo shit together or I'll be back."

Night 2 begins!

You have 24 hours to send in your actions.

What

10-10-2015, 12:26 PM

The night was brief, the collective stupidity of the previous day still loomed large.

"That fool, I knew he could not be trusted. Now to take care of this myself."

A lone figure slinked off into the darkness, intent on ending the campaign of one more. They were lucky, he was alone, and droning on about something.

"I think that when you look you can see that Hitler is not unlikely to occur here." *chuckle* "I mean he is a sociopath."

He was talking to himself.

"You crazy SOB, I think I'm doing the other candidates a favor"

The good doctor rushed his attacker, but it was not enough

Trigger - Ben Carson - Town Executioner has been killed

The figure then slinked back for the night, a sense of victory within their grasp. Elsewhere another candidate decided to lend his support to someone else for the night, though it appears to have been unnecessary.

Day 3 has started!

I'm a zambi

10-10-2015, 01:13 PM

Wot ...

SCRIBBLE

10-10-2015, 03:01 PM

Cyber.

SCRIBBLE

10-10-2015, 06:05 PM

vote cyber

SCRIBBLE

10-10-2015, 07:40 PM

Everyone disappeared. Come back, vote cyber and get this game over with. Rosie, if telling the truth, investigated the godfather. Cyber and blackmage avoid each other to an extent but communicate enough to not look like a suspicious connection. Cyber maintains distance, claiming it was either me or black because of some meta quote from pass about veteran players or whatever. After I say cyber is actually not playing scummy he plays in to it trying to secure himself with someone he would know to be town. Pushes the I am a townie thing because he is taking advantage of having innocent investigations because he is the godfather.

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Blackmage even made a comment about how if cyber was actually lying no one would trust him in the future. Gave him a safety net if cyber was ever revealed as mafia while showing support for a plan that could work to the benefit of town.

CYBER

10-10-2015, 09:55 PM

hahahahahahaha you are dead wrong scribble.

HERE's what I see.
ONE OF YOU, zambi, or you, or rosie, (most likely zambi) has the ability to block me from being revealed by the mod during the day time.

HERE IS the ULTIMATUM proof that I CANNOT be scum:
ROSIE confirms me as town.
The ONLY way that I could NOT be town, is if I am the godfahter.
IF i was the godfather then there is no way in hell I would be able to detect that my ability got blocked by SOMEONE, again, most likely zambi.
Add on to the fact that if that ability seems to block me regardless, then the simple fact that one of you blocked my innocent child passive, would imply that it would have ALSO blocked any possible godfather investigation denial passive, ERGO, rosie would have seen me as a SCUM, NOT town.

To summarize, Zambi, right now, tell the world. Was it you who blocked me yes or no?
If yes, then you know i'm not lying and there is no way for me to know that you had blocked me without specifically being able to proc my shit during the day AND be cleared at the same time as a town innocent child.

So on that note:
vote scribble.

THE SAME argument that he pulled against me, it backfires on him. When the votes were on scribble, he made it clear that blackmage is scum, over and over again. I'm willing to bet that this was all a misdirect to make blackmage seem as the good guy the second that scribble died just because of how much he pressured him.

Scribble has YET to claim ANYTHING regarding his role, and even at L-1 he refused to give out anything to save himself if he was any use to town, WHY? because he already set up the blackmage is innocent concept in our head in the event that he died ESPECIALLY since blackmage was a usurper, who ALSO has the goal to overthrow the godfather in the game to win his second objective, but still wins as a mafia regardless. So scribble knew he was dead meat nway, by providing the win for blackmage and himself by proxy.

Scribble is the godfather, he knows that, and he knows that the only way to die is by lynch, and his whole argument is wrong BECAUSE of my points above.
\

@ZAMBI, the game is in your hands, I know rosie knows that I'm innocent. But YOU can double confirm that I am town by confirming what your role does, which has to be something to block my abilities.

SPEAK UP and save the game man!

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Everyone disappeared. Come back, vote cyber and get this game over with. Rosie, if telling the truth, investigated the godfather. Cyber and blackmage avoid each other to an extent but communicate enough to not look like a suspicious connection. Cyber maintains distance, claiming it was either me or black because of some meta quote from pass about veteran players or whatever. After I say cyber is actually not playing scummy he plays in to it trying to secure himself with someone he would know to be town. Pushes the I am a townie thing because he is taking advantage of having innocent investigations because he is the godfather.

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Blackmage even made a comment about how if cyber was actually lying no one would trust him in the future. Gave him a safety net if cyber was ever revealed as mafia while showing support for a plan that could work to the benefit of town.

AND ON THAT NOTE, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. ROSIE IS NOT A COP. HE HAD A LIE DETECTOR, and he checked my "I AM TOWN" post. ERGO. THERE IS NO WAY I AM NOT A TOWN. NOT EVEN A GODFATHER CAN SURPASS THE LIE DETECTION, homie.

You dun trapped urself in a corner bud.

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sry for the double post. I just fucking remembered that rosie didnt "investigate me" as a cop the way that scribble described it, which got me rolling about my ultimatum, which was valid regardless.
But the lie detection thing is something that scribble forgot as well, and he just backed himself in a corner with a blunt lie to mislynch me, and then he will go and kill rosie or zambi at night and win the game.

ROSIE, you know ur investigation HAS to be the truth. You said I'm the only one you trust, you have to trust me on this.
But if zambi can confirm his actions, then there is no way that scribble is not lying.

These are my points. The game is in your hands, this is the very best i can do to confirm that if you lynch me, it's gg and town loses to scribble.

SCRIBBLE

10-10-2015, 10:31 PM

The lie detector/godfather immunity issue depends on the mods, I have played it both ways.

Rosie/Zambi: Do what you feel is right, blackmage started grasping at straws when I called him scum and voted for him yesterday, just like cyber is doing now.

I don't believe the godfather would know of the existence of a usurper. Of course that's just me, and I am only grounded here in reality of all places.

Rosie

10-11-2015, 12:09 AM

FOS Scribble, but I will wait for Zambi before I get rushed into something.

I'm a zambi

10-11-2015, 09:34 AM

Scribble, you're a hoe.

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No Cyber, I didn't rb you, Scrib's Hillary Clinton, mafia hooker (pretty sure).

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Just for shits, I'm the doc, but I only work half the time. Interestingly enough, the flavor reflects my poor decision last night as to who to protect.

Vote Scribble
... and if it isn't Scribble, then I hate you. :smirk:

SCRIBBLE

10-11-2015, 12:03 PM

I'm Donald Trump and if you think I should be lynched then let Cyber hammer me.

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Also, cyber's argument is based on zambi roleblocking him, which he claims he didn't.

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If you both (zamb and rosie) think I should be lynched, then make Cyber unvote, Rosie votes second, then cyber hammers me. He should have nothing to lose, right?

I'm a zambi

10-11-2015, 12:25 PM

Just to be safe then, unvote.
Cyber's claim is based on being roleblocked, not on me roleblocking him. I'm a doc, not a roleblocker, Rosie claims to be a lie detector (no reason for mafia to have this role), the only CC-able people are you and Cyber, with Cyber being cleared by Rosie. It's only fitting that the remaining mafia member would Hillary Clinton (dem.) and that she would be a roleblocker/hooker. :smirk:

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TL;DR, I'm not buying it, Scribble.

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That bold Donald Trump claim is getting me thinking though ...

SCRIBBLE

10-11-2015, 12:33 PM

Considering a usurper has no other purpose than to live longer than the godfather, I think it is safe to say we have a godfather. Godfathers typically have investigation immunity.

You don't have to trust me, I'm saying lynch me but make cyber hammer me. From either perspective on this, town wins. If I'm mafia when I'm lynched then town wins. If I'm town when lynched, which is what will happen, cyber is mafia, cyber goes boom, town wins. This requires cyber to hammer, which he should have no issue with sacrificing himself for a town win.

That means if either of you (zambi, Rosie) hammer me, you die, I die, mafia win.

Rosie

10-11-2015, 01:21 PM

Scribbles bold ass claim makes too much sense,

Vote Cyber

I'm a zambi

10-11-2015, 01:38 PM

Waiting on Cyber.

SCRIBBLE

10-11-2015, 02:41 PM

I should add that this only works in either situation if we believe Rosie's claim that he had lie detector. cyber could be town, rosie takes little risk in claiming someone is town as mafia, you get the picture.

Just pointing out the other possibility, I'd like to see what Cyber says.

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cyber could be town, rosie takes little risk in claiming someone is town as mafia.

Meaning rosie as mafia has a good chance of knowing who is town, so he took a chance with cyber, especially after the third party was lynched.

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I think cyber is mafia based off his standoffish and empty interactions with blackmage and how the blackmage v scribble thing he had going on originally is no longer a factor. By his logic, blackmage being revealed as mafia should have cleared me. I only wanted to point out the rosie thing, as it has been in the back of my mind for a while and now that I've claimed I wanted to explain all the dynamics for transparency. I did not want to reveal early, else I limit my potency as bomb.

I'm a zambi

10-11-2015, 02:57 PM

I had the same idea a while back about Rosie but I'm not so sure that's the case anymore.

CYBER

10-11-2015, 06:36 PM

Scribbles bold ass claim makes too much sense,

Vote Cyber

AND THERE IT IS.

unvote scribble.

vote Rosie.

Rosie's the godfather and fake claiming commuter, which is an easy fake claim to explain not dying.
That lie detector thing was nice at the beginning considering I was the most likely to be town.

But you just dun fucked up.
Contrary to what scribble says regarding Godfather vs lie detector, lie detector CANNOT and i say CANNOT be beat no matter what, no matter what role it is.
The role does NOT affect the result of the lie detection because the lie detection is based on input straight from the PLAYER, not the alias. The only way to beat a lie detection is not by a godfather role, but by never talking about being or not being town/scum in a binary and objective way.

THIS RIGHT here, proves that rosie's been lying all along about investigating me because that lie detection fakeout of his should NEVER have been doubted by rosie.
Rosie's pishing for the easier lynch now, me, because scribble's willing to go for it.

BONUS:
Every single one of us has ONE role. with the except of rosie, who was a usuper (more like a winning condition than a role) and a redirector.
What is rosie? a "every other day" commuter..
COMMUTER.
This is a very easy fake claim to pull off as a godfather that would explain why , if happened to be shot, didn't die.

Rosie's fake lie detection was only used ONCE, on me, and we never heard of any other clearing since.

@scribble, I'm sorry I baited you like that , I was trying to keep an eye on the thread as much as possible, but the bottom line is, if rosie ACTUALLY had a lie detector, anything you said would have been in vain, and he should have stuck to his guns.
But he didn't, and a commuter, that's the easiest fake claim to have as a godfather.

I am not an ally with blackmage, nor you, nor anyone as every single one you sounded scummy to me.
But this is the moment of truth scribble. If you want me to hammer you, I will, and I don't care if I die, but rosie just outed himself about lying about the lie detection, which is what YOU suspected all along, which is why I kept saying that "the mods clearing me does not clear rosie" from the very start.

If i wanted an easy lynch on you scribble, by god i could have just waited for anyone to vote first and then hammer you, that's now what i'm doing.
I know what I am, I know you think i'm an ally with blackmage, and that's totally wrong as i even put a mark on HIS back myself when i said that if you turn out to be town in yesterday's lynch, then that would make blackmage the prime suspect....

This would be a lot fuckign easier if i didnt get jewed over by someone, fuck you pass and what for that btw, but yeah.
Rosie slipped.

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unvote scribble.
vote rosie.

format didnt take on the votes above. fixed.

CYBER

10-11-2015, 06:55 PM

The figure then slinked back for the night, a sense of victory within their grasp. Elsewhere another candidate decided to lend his support to someone else for the night, though it appears to have been unnecessary.

Day 3 has started!

This, for me, clears zambi's doc claim.

And he claims to have protected scribble, which WAS unnecessary as he wasn't attacked.

Zambi + mod's "elsewhere" clears scribble for me, as zambi did not protect the person who commited the kill.

And i know myself to be town ... = > rosie's the last mafia godfather.

hell, even rosie "faked claimed lie detector and said that i was town" and put himself out there as an easy claim commuter, while easily claiming cyber to be town by lie detection. which should have held ground no matter what ... but he flinched, and that was the lie detection giveaway.

Notice that rosie wasn't the person who started the lie detection post at the start. It was a combination of other ppl (notably zambi) saying "i am town" as a normal "i don't know what's going on , but i know myself to be town" kind of post....

but then what happened? BLACKMAGE planted the idea that "if there is a lie detector blah blah". blackmage planted the idea of a lie detection, so who's better than his partner, rosie, to take the mantle of the lie detector and use it on the person that even scribble called as "playing as town", which is fuckign rare btw.
The chances of blackmage creating the lie detection concept, and then a "convenient as fuck" 1 shot lie detector that is NOT blackmage or i, goes ahead and clears the second mafia candidate, me? PLEASE. It makes no fucking sense compared to rosie being the second mafia person, and then becoming town in people's eyes by clearing an obvious townie from the get go while conveniently being immune to deaths at night... "sometimes"

Rosie

10-11-2015, 07:08 PM

I am the one who knocks! I mean, I am Town.

This is the message I sent to What. I realized when scribble wrote that shit that the first statement in that line has punctuation. You are the one who knocks. I thought that sentence would have a semicolon; and yet it has a damn exclamation mark! What is your flavor there Mr Cyber? Are you Hillary, or Barrack? My guess is Barrack. I reviewed my PM after Scribbles claim.

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I am the TOWN Commuter, I win if Town wins. I do not have an alternate way to win.

SCRIBBLE

10-11-2015, 08:50 PM

You didn't bait a single thing cyber.

CYBER

10-11-2015, 09:38 PM

I am
Chris Christie - Innocent Child.

That's my flavor and alias.
Hinted at the fat jokes earlier in the game if someone doesn't buy this now.

But it's all good. I have done EVERYTHING humanly possible in this game to point out that I am town, and that there's an ultimatum happening right now.
If you follow suite and win, good for you.
If you lynch me and end up losing the game, then at least i know that this game's loss is not on me, because I tried.

Scribble, I didn't intentionally pit you and blackmage against eachother. YOU BOTH did that to yourselves as you 2 made it abundantly clear that neither of you likes the other.
Your play was very scummy from the way you were playing, now that I know you're a bomb, it explained a whole lotta reasons why you didn't wanna claim, because that would have allowed you to kaboom the last person voting, which would have given a lot of information, and for that i'm sorry.
But seriously though, everyone look at the facts, and then make a decision.
I posted my vote, I'm not changing it.

What

10-11-2015, 10:08 PM

Well I leave tomorrow, reasonably won't be able to check this thread until Wednesday at the earliest. It is in Pass's hands now.

Goodnight you princes of Maine, you kings of New England.

SCRIBBLE

10-12-2015, 07:02 AM

I'm a zambi

10-12-2015, 01:56 PM

The night was brief, the collective stupidity of the previous day still loomed large.

"That fool, I knew he could not be trusted. Now to take care of this myself."

[COLOR="#FF0000"]vote blackmage it's official, folks
Interesting correlation here. I think I'll start rereading the flavor from previous nights.

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meh, bbtags

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I felt like that vote was oddly placed when I read it D2 and now the flavor from N2 is backing up that assumption.

CYBER

10-12-2015, 02:33 PM

I have nothing against blackmage, he was scum so I treated him as such.

My vote stays on you cyber. Either you get lynched, or you hammer me. That's how I want to see this to down.

I offered you a way out with the Rosie thing, that was bait. Not only did you take the bait, you made it seem like you made a winning revelation. This should have been a possibility you thought of and brought up before today. Instead, you took what seemed to be an obvious train on me and ran with it. You took the easy way out because a lynch on town would have won you the game.

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To down=go down

Scribble, you didn't bait shit.
At the time, it felt like you and blackmage were playing a game of "let's survive day 2, and pin ourselves against eachother, so that come day 3, they will never agree on taking us both out because we're on opposite sides".

The only reason why I jumped off your train, was because of what Zambi claimed as being the doctor AND protecting YOU.
That information was unavailable to me at the time, add on to the fact that Rosie SLIPPED.
IF Rosie was a cop, then by all means, I'd agree with me being a possible godfather because I got jewed over by some stupid shitfucks (yeah i said it -.-) and STILL fucking unable to use my passive.
(for the sake of trying again on a different day: MOD, fucking clear me you dickshit...)

Get off your cow-diseased white horse and smell the poop:
rosie is NOT a cop. ROSIE, claimed to be a 1-shot LIE fucking DETECTOR scribble. A lie detector has the ULTIMATE yes or no about being a townie. which is why it is considered a VERY VERY VERY VERY VEEEEEEEEEEERY strong role, and that is why it's almost ALWAYS an x-shot. WHY? Because unlike a cop, no passive (such as godfather, miller etc) nor redirect (bus, redirector, nexus, lightning) or ANYTHING can affect its result.
The result is a DIRECT RAW INPUT from the forums, from a specific player such as saying "I don't have an active role", and treats it as a yes or no.
The only way to beat it is to not talk with absolution YES OR NO statements when suspecting a lie detector, especially if saying "i am town".

SO AGAIN, scribble, wake up and smell the Rosies, there is NO way in hell I can be anything but a town, because either Rosie cleared me as a true lie detector making YOU the only valid tactic ( which doesn't fit the current day scene but still proves me as town), OR rosie's lying from the get-go and he's the last remaining mafia.

THAT is your ultimatum scribble, not that whole you and me shit because the game will be lost then. THAT i can assure you.

SCRIBBLE

10-12-2015, 02:43 PM

There are other people speaking cyber, address that as well.

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them, not that. I guess they are allowed to be people.

SCRIBBLE

10-12-2015, 03:22 PM

unvote

I meant to do this after one of zambi's posts.

I'm a zambi

10-12-2015, 08:27 PM

"I think that when you look you can see that Hitler is not unlikely to occur here." *chuckle* "I mean he is a sociopath."
Interesting fact, but sociopaths can cheat lie detectors.

May be something to consider.

CYBER

10-13-2015, 10:20 AM

Interesting fact, but sociopaths can cheat lie detectors.

May be something to consider.
what in the hell are you trying to say in your last few posts?

I'm a zambi

10-13-2015, 10:33 AM

It would appear that not everything is as it seems. :smirk:

SCRIBBLE

10-13-2015, 03:50 PM

This post is formed under the pretense that cyber and Rosie have roles and actions in question, that I am town bomb and zambi is town doctor.

Considering the current known role configuration, both cyber and rosie have claimed questionable roles. Rosie being the most questionable. Town commuter x1 shot lie detector paired with a doctor, executioner, bomb, and whatever investigative role ass was? Doubt it. Doctor protects someone, commuter can't be targeted, i blow up if killed at night or lynch, tracker/follower, and we have an executioner for votes. Totally op.

Throwing in cyber's claim, it would make much more sense for a godfather/investigative immunity(even witb a lie detector+1 shot) and whatever blackmage was.

I'll expand when I get home.

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So cyber's claim would fit a balanced configuration based on the roles revealed so far. Though cyber is not entirely wrong about the godfather lie detector, he is not entirely right. Lie detector has read innocent on a godfather in games I have played. It depends on the mod. He is right that it probably would not have immunity in this game.

Passarelli

10-13-2015, 07:55 PM

Current votes:

Cyber's - Rosie
Rosie's - Cyber
Scribble's - none
Zambi's - none

With 4 alive it takes 3 to Lynch.

CYBER

10-14-2015, 08:59 AM

Well. My vote's not changing.
For me, the flavor text that someone "tried to support someone ELSEWHERE, but it was useless" , along with Zambi's claim of being town doc and protecting SCRIBBLE, seals it for me that Rosie must be the last remaining mafia member.
Rosie's convenient fake claim of other-day commuter while being the ONLY person in the game so far (check the dead, people, they didn't even start smelling yet!) that has TWO abilities while everyone else has just the ONE, without x-shots??
The same ability which is conveniently a 1 x shot lie detector that conveniently cleared the towniest person night 1 and again CONVENIENTLY would beg townies to think "hmm, well he had an investigation, investigations are good, he helped confirm cyber as town thats good, so if it comes down to it, he's likely good"... all that also adds more eeriness to his status in the game right now.

I'm a zambi

10-14-2015, 04:27 PM

I agree that Rosie's claim is all too convenient, but I disagree with your assessment that my docing on Scribble makes him town. My doc still would have proven useless if he is mafia, since he wouldn't need the healing in the first place.

What was Rosie's second ability? You said 1-shot lie detector, and ... ?

Rosie

10-14-2015, 06:54 PM

Even day commuter.

Passarelli

10-14-2015, 10:45 PM

http://fourkitchens.github.io/train-node/assets/img/get-on-with-it.jpg

SCRIBBLE

10-14-2015, 11:13 PM

I would like to know what Rosie would do with this situation if he was either me or zambi. Rosie, considering your claim vs cyber's claim along with the revealed roles so far, how would you handle this situation? Be specific, addressing each variable in question with how you would vote and why.

Rosie

10-15-2015, 01:38 AM

Go with your gut on this one. Is Cyber the Innocent Virgin that mysteriously cannot claim? The Mods said all was working fine. But he still has a claim that can not be backed up. I sent "I am the one who knocks! I mean, I am Town." to the mods, and got back that Cyber was not lying. I spent 11 years in the military under the mantra, "Protecting America against those that knock at night." I honestly thought it was one sentence.

My claim of commuter could have easily been checked either first night, when it was asked for, or last night by anyone visiting me. Kind of a bold ass claim to make so early in a game, but knew Mafia could not kill me night 2. I also wanted town resources, I.E. Doc to protect someone else. BM knew I was telling the truth and tried to start a train on me on page 231. And did not remove that vote until you guys believed me.

Honestly Scrib, I still think it is more likely that you are scum.The late bomb claim is a great way to win a mylo day. But if Cyber and Zambi, vote you to L-1, I will prove my innocence and take one for the team.

Unvote

SCRIBBLE

10-15-2015, 02:52 AM

Page 231? I am only on page 19. I'm interested in this, seeing as blackmage was a usurper and all. The flavor indicates insubordination or what could be someone attempting to usurp the godfather.

Rosie, you should be the one to hammer me then.

vote rosie

I'm a zambi

10-15-2015, 08:43 AM

Are we comfortable with Cyber being town then? I have no clue what's going on now lmao.

SCRIBBLE

10-15-2015, 08:46 AM

Yeah, sure.

I'm a zambi

10-15-2015, 09:01 AM

What was Cyber's name? Did he ever give us that information?

We have Trump, Huckabee and ... I know Rosie posted his name but I'll have to read through the earlier pages, but I don't recall ever having a name for Cyber.

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Hold on, didn't Cyber claim virgin? Meaning we can lynch him and no one dies tonight?

Then tomorrow (if there is one), we can have Rosie hammer you, Scrib? I'm under the assumption that no one foses me at the moment, so I don't think this is an issue.

CYBER

10-15-2015, 11:09 AM

I did claim, Chris Christie...
and no i am not a virgin role, and i SPECIFICALLY said, regarding that confusion, "Scribble, if you think that i soft claimed in this, then you're wrong", simply because of my accidental "sitting home and look pretty" sentence that i wrote that was not meant be taken as a role claim, but as a "i got no active at night" remark.

and just for the sake of argument zambi, SAY that for whatever reason, I am a virgin role, and then you lynch me, and then everyone's all happy and shit at night... tomorrow will still be LyLo.
as in, you DO know that YOU'll have to make the deciding vote on whether you want to lynch rosie, or lynch scribble. You do know that right?
So if you're having the struggle of casting an actual vote NOW, what would you do tomorrow?

That being said, here's why i am thinking that scribble is NOT the mafia, based on your claim of protecting scribble, and THIS quote:

The figure then slinked back for the night, a sense of victory within their grasp. Elsewhereanother candidate decided to lend his support to someone else for the night, though it appears to have been unnecessary.

Day 3 has started!

This sentence has everything YOU need, zambi, to make a sound decision.
The mod was talking about a figure that killed trigger, correct?
so in YOUR eyes, it can be either me, scribble, or rosie. correct? (in my eyes, i replace myself with YOU).

Now the word ELSEWHERE implies that whatever happened next (the act of protecting someone) did NOT happean near the killer, i.e did not happen TO the killer, i.e neither the protector NOR the protecTED is the killer.

So from my eyes, when you went ahead and claimed doctor, and claimed you protected SCRIBBLE, then for me, it clears YOU, AND it clears SCRIBBLE, because as mentioned 2 points up: the killer was nowhere near that protection scene.

So again, zambi, that's why i dropped the focus on scribble and started believing him, because, from my point of view, if all variables are the same, the only thing that fits is if ROSIE is the killer.
In YOUR eyes, you cannot tell if it's me, or rosie from the scene alone, THAT i can give u.
but if you factor in every other thing argument i have made against rosie before... i think the answer is clear.

from my point of view, the LOGIC derived from the simple process of elimination, dictates it's rosie... It's... elementary.

Assassin

10-15-2015, 07:45 PM

*crickets*

I'm a zambi

10-15-2015, 08:55 PM

Here's the hammer.
Vote Rosie.

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And I will gratefully accept LVP this game. :lmao:

What

10-15-2015, 08:59 PM

That is a lynch, no more talking

What

10-15-2015, 09:29 PM

The fog began to lift. Nearly everyone had roused the suspicions of each other but each time they were able to allay the concerns of the others. Except now…….

“I’ve been saying from the beginning who I am why won’t you listen?”

“It all seems a bit convenient don’t you think?”

“Yeah like he was just playing along.”

“No really guys I’m with you, let’s get that other guy, or someone else, just not me ok?”

“Wait, is that….. a woman?”

“Damn, I should have butched it up more. If only I knew that’s what voters wanted, I would have done anything.”

“Listen toots, you’re fired.”

Rosie – Hilary Clinton – Mafia Godfather and 1x Vanilizer has been lynched.

“Well the day is saved, now to become the most luxurious and powerful President ever.”

“Hey wait a second…….”

Town Wins:
Cyber – Chris Christe – 2nd day Innocent Child (Vanilla Townie)
Scribble – Donald Trump – Town Bomb
Zambie – Mike Huckabee – Town Faith Healer

Awards:

Pure Cancer for the Town and Game in General (Formally known as the Mikey Award) – Trigger, Terrible at the game and needed his role sent to him four times, twice in one day at one point, since he apparently has the memory of a goldfish and the inability to not delete anything in his in-box.

Tightest Ass – Sin

You Maniac you Blew it up – Scribble, So close to MVP but the hose contest with Cyber clouded your judgment, though due to the crappiness of Zambi and Rosie you had time to rethink.

So close yet so far - Rosie, You were terrible yet everyone else was almost worse.

Whiny bitch who overthinks – Blackmage

MVP – The sweet release of death that we can only hope touches you all soon.

Thanks for Playing, I hope you all enjoyed your stay. I’m sure Pass will have his own comments after he is done giving HJ’s at the truck stop.

I'm a zambi

10-15-2015, 09:34 PM

MVP – The sweet release of death that we can only hope touches you all soon.
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

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And, interesting, Rosie turned Cyber vanilla. Did that even do anything? :lmao:

What

10-15-2015, 09:37 PM

And, interesting, Rosie turned Cyber vanilla. Did that even do anything? :lmao:

You mean aside from giving Cyber an aneurysm?

Passarelli

10-15-2015, 09:40 PM

It stopped us from declaring cyber as town. Damnit What, I woulda had time to actually do flavor tonight. Oh well.

I'll give my reactions sometime tonight.

What

10-15-2015, 09:45 PM

how are you posting on here yet not on steam?

SCRIBBLE

10-15-2015, 10:17 PM

Gg all.

Blackmage

10-16-2015, 01:41 AM

Good game. Well won on town's part. Was interesting the entire way through. I also believe I only lied in 2 posts, and those were the requisite "I'm Town" posts. Like a good politician, I (hope I) actually never called Scribble scum, I just let you draw your own conclusions :P

First, one thing that may have been done accidentally or on purpose, but for future mods, look at this game. Flavour should be considered for balance purposes. Making one side good and one side evil is an advantage for Town. Having narrow or "required" flavour is an advantage to town. Having such a broad selection that everyone can make a claim helps mitigate that for scum. Having "obvious" roles not be (Doc carson not being a doctor role at all) is helpful to scum. Night flavour can be as well. This one came out and said exactly what we both did, without making it obvious it is such, and told us very little about the town. Flavour is not easy, and it was very well done here. Also realize if you don't think you can do justice to flavour a "simple X has died" will suffice. Side note would be to realize implications of your rules choices. Hiding information, having deadlines with abilities that rely on votes or even what you will tell players. Also, with co-modding, discuss with each other before you reply. Getting different responses from different mods means two players asking the same questions can have entirely different answers, which can end poorly. Balance is a lot more than just roles. I found this to be a very well balanced and thought out theme game.

LVP: The Modding. First and foremost: Make your own bloody rules post. The rules we have are "pretty straight forward". Votes must be coloured. However, it seems we needed a certain shade of red, but the rules on green are fast and loose. Also, purposely not updating votes after the arbitrarily negated vote when we've been getting regular updates is mods taking sides. You really shouldn't do that. There also needs to be something done about lines 8 and 9 in your version. There is no reason to break the rules you said we are going to follow. If you want your players to follow your rules, you really should show them the same courtesy. Luckily for me, I had already lost, so I didn't care. In a related note, if someone asks if something is against the rules, you really should learn your rules rather than saying "post it and find out". If you don't want people asking questions, try to be clear and not hide important information.

Choose deadlines BEFOREHAND. I don't like deadlines, but surprise deadlines are just lazy.

Pass: Thanks for actually being a helpful mod and answering questions. We will disagree on some things, but I had fun even after death :)

When trying to decide what my fake should be I was looking at claiming Vermin Supreme day 2 (CURSE YOU BLADE) as an alarmist. So I asked the mods how they'd respond to "Is this a bastard mod? Can a cult be included in the setup?" so I could know if I'd get Nem'd again and have my fake claim outted by a mod. I was not expecting the response "There are no bastard roles in this setup.", being an Usurper Redirector with my ally having Vanillaizer. Usurper lies to his allies, and two roles that are bastard depending on how you mod. Then I found out at night that the nilla'd person isn't informed and chuckled again. However, each to their own on what bastard is :)

Rosie, I kept going from wanting to strangle you, to being interested at your plays. I still have no idea why you voted on Scribble. I was also waiting for you to put a third on Trig. I sat all night with a unvote vote trig ready. After I failed to push you, I tried my hardest to give you an easy win :P If someone else died, we won, period. If I died, you had all sorts of options. Push Scribble because I was Usurper, plus then I would have had town's trust by killing GF. Once he claimed, point out his claim is what Cyber tried last time, plus he waited till everyone had claimed to make his claim fit both flavour and role. Save Trig, kill Zambi and let Trig get in the middle of Scrib/Cyber. I think turning on Cyber was about your worst choice. If you wanted to push him, Day 2 was the time.

Scrib: Welcome to my world. Doesn't matter what you do, getting people to lynch mafia is hard. I did find your obsession of me to be cute though, because you were claiming I was grasping at straws when you had less than I did :P Even though I don't agree with your standpoint on third party, and will thank you as a scum every time you choose to hunt them, you're my clear choice for MVP for this game.

Ass: We killed you on a lark. Yeah, we really had no reason to kill you.

Cyber: We nilla'd you to see if we could get you to rage. The result was as priceless, though not really ragey. I also told you we took your luster :)

Zambi: Not much to say. You were never seemed very sure of anything.

Trig: I probably would have let you live if both Rosie and I lived. Executioner is like Vig. People say you're bad if you're wrong and you might get some praise when you're right. However, other than allowing them an extra life past either Lo, Executioner isn't a very important role.

Blade: You claimed my claim! I tried to save you, but for some reason, Ibis has an interesting obsession with killing third parties.

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Totally side note: If no one starts a new game in the next week or so, I'll have a setup ready.

What

10-16-2015, 06:58 AM

I accept your compliments on the flavor, I do good work.

And as to your questions, it was clear from the start this was not a bastard mod, but moreover you needled to try to see what we think about different roles, thats information that you should not get from the mods. Since bastard is subjective on some roles, if we say we think A is but B isn't well then we just told you for sure what role or roles are not in the game, thats not fair information for you to have. You have a habit of asking lots of little questions to build up a base of information not available to everyone, so we just cut it off at the knees, which is the best choice a mod should make. And bitching about deadlines? Blow me, you jack offs were taking way to fucking long and literally going nowhere. You'll see when you mod son, can't please everyone, so you just do what is right and deal with the chatter latter.

As to your vote update thing, I posted those very infrequently, the one time I posted them a lot was my way of trying to tell you guys to hurry the hell up, you thinking it was us taking sides is ridiculous and shows how much you over think these things.

Assassin

10-16-2015, 07:45 AM

Well at least I know I didn't play wrong or give something away that got me killed this time. Am I the me Brett??

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Sigh....New*

CYBER

10-16-2015, 08:04 AM

You can take that vanillarizer and shove it up your chocolate, pudding.

Made it work even though that shit was borderline bastardy as i didn't even get a notification that I became a vanilla or any of the like.
When my ROLE changes, even due to another role, it is usually customary to get a notification that your role changed.
ex: judas, traitor, universal backup, cult leader, etc.... So when i didn't get anything of the likes, it was nagging at me all the time that something was off, which partly made me look at scribble as he was the only one with a mysterious role that didn't even soft claim.
Never heard of vanillarizer but yeah.

God i busted my ass soooo hard to try to carry this game with the most little info i could find lol...
Scribble, I hate to tell you, but yes, i WAS intentionally baiting rosie, i even called it out beforehand to Tom and the likes just to have proof of the fact that i was suspecting rosie all along.
Rosie, u had me going , u just had one job and it was to NOT CHANGE ur siding from me to against me lol... that's what made me stop bashing heads with the incessantly nagging scribble and look at ur slip up lol.

CYBER

10-16-2015, 08:54 AM

busted my ass this game and won a role madness as a fucking VANILLA LOOOOOL... with the help of scribble taking a step back and actually following up with me.
game was won when zambi FINALLY spoke.
g fucking g.

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Just out of curiosity.
Is anyone interested in playing a game of SPYFALL?
which should be a very relatively fast game until either "I" or someone else gets a mafia setup going next week? (sry... life been busy for me to have a balanced mafia game ready)

example of SpyFall games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCRbE2DMhw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AJva1xq160

But we would be playing it as a regular forum game, VERY similar to mafia, but it's basically where everyone's trying to be the detective while also trying to not give away too much info.

let me know if that interests you. otherwise i'll resume working on my setup, but it will take a few days depending on number of players.

I'm a zambi

10-16-2015, 09:31 AM

Totally side note: If no one starts a new game in the next week or so, I'll have a setup ready.
Most definitely ... I'll see what I can do about being more definitive in my suspicions. The reason that I was so slow on the last day was a lack of self trust. I townread Cyber and Scribble but was afraid of risking the entire game on a faulty D3 lynch.

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Also, sorry for pushing you so hard Trig, it's just that everything you said was contradictory or suspicious.

Trigger Unhappy

10-16-2015, 10:18 AM

Most definitely ... I'll see what I can do about being more definitive in my suspicions. The reason that I was so slow on the last day was a lack of self trust. I townread Cyber and Scribble but was afraid of risking the entire game on a faulty D3 lynch.

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Also, sorry for pushing you so hard Trig, it's just that everything you said was contradictory or suspicious.

Nah you are fine. My head wasn't completely in the game and I was making bad mistakes. My reason for being out of it was I got married this weekend and was busy with prep and family. I'l do better next time.

SCRIBBLE

10-16-2015, 11:28 AM

Vote Scribble <--- he is the Donald trump of Mafia games

Trigger is the real MVP for this post alone

BladeTwinSwords

10-16-2015, 11:41 AM

I'm slowly learning how to play 3rd Party.

What

10-16-2015, 11:48 AM

I'm slowly learning how to play 3rd Party.

You're slowly learning to chap my ass

Trigger Unhappy

10-16-2015, 01:14 PM

Trigger is the real MVP for this post alone

LOL sorry for freaking you out.

Rosie

10-16-2015, 01:23 PM

Fuck my partner being killed by RNG. I fucked up days ago, and almost hammered myself to end the misery. I also misread my role so I thought I had multiple Vannilizers.

Blackmage

10-16-2015, 01:28 PM

What: First, it wasn't clear from the start. Like I said, the mafia? Bastard as hell, to me. Eye of the beholder. Also, a balanced game doesn't mean not bastard, it just means balanced. You can even balance a Cult.

I'm overthinking things, but you're saying I'm trying to build an information base when writing to mods? Pot, meet kettle :) The main time I really try to get information from the Mods is when it should be 100% open information, such as with Open Setups, or if I'm trying to find their response. I literally was just trying to see how you responded to the is there bastard roles, because of that time Nem said "we don't have this" and ruined the game. I frankly would have rather had your response to Pass's. The next time I was just checking what your reminder was about, since there is no point of reference on it. Most games, I just banter with the mods, because I have no real questions. But that was a sincere request, please make a rules post. Every mod frankly should have their own post, because everyone mods differently.

Also, where is this habit? In Roman, I asked no questions. In Supernatural, I asked for clarification on my role. The things in monster I was asking to be revealed to everyone. As far as I know, this is the first time I was asking information that everyone could ask.

As for deadlines, "Choose deadlines BEFOREHAND. I don't like deadlines, but surprise deadlines are just lazy." I accept that some mods are just impatient for their games to end. No need to ruin the game because you've the attention span of a hamster.

Pass: I told you Cyber would respond like that :)

Rosie

10-16-2015, 01:32 PM

Also my car has been broken down for the last week, I have spent every waking moment trying to solve the problem. I post this after I finnaly got the fucker fixed. I flopped on Cyber thinking that Zambi, who was online at the time might rush and hammer. Also I increased my drinking this week(Car) and that did not help my judgment very much. My head wasn't truly in the game.
But still without the RNG mod kill we had this. No one saw BM and I as anything close to a team. All in all I would say that I learned more from this game than the 20 prior game I read through. A lot of the newb shit isn't BS btw. I really was working on Blades list of roles, and half the shit in this game isn't there.
I also misread Scrib as a mafia traitor, and I couldn't get it out of my head.

Blackmage

10-16-2015, 02:13 PM

:) I figured it wasn't, I was just trying to have an excuse to push you. Still annoyed that failed because so many people missed the claim.

What

10-17-2015, 06:22 AM

You'll understand when your older Blackmage. You like to eliminate variables, and when something doesn't occur as you like, you get upset. Mafia games are not about having 100% certainty, and yes, every game I have moded, and I'm sure with others, you ask a bunch of questions building and building up a base of information you should not have. Even in this game you wanted to know what our thoughts were on a role before you decided how to play it the next day, any answer to such a question would essentially tell you, Yes that role is in the game, or no it isn't which grants you information and certainty not available to every player and essentially eats away at the very premise of the game.

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And yeah moron, eye of the beholder was my whole point there with you needleing us for bastard roles, as what is bastard can be subjective, you were asking for a list of roles from us that would not be in the game which is not a fair thing to request no matter how you slice it.

Blackmage

10-17-2015, 03:19 PM

You'll understand when your older Blackmage.

That's you're. Funny that you think you can tell me what I'll learn when you don't even know things you learn in grade school.

You like to eliminate variables, and when something doesn't occur as you like, you get upset.

Yup. As is normal.

Mafia games are not about having 100% certainty,

Correct.

and yes, every game I have moded, and I'm sure with others, you ask a bunch of questions building and building up a base of information you should not have.

When I grow up, will I understand why you choose to lie? Is it because you enjoy reading what I have to say? I have all of my communications from most of my games. I didn't ask a single thing in Roman, which YOU modded. After we started playing, I asked a single thing in Super. "Checking interaction on mafia abilities. If I bus Player A and Player B, and we choose to kill Player A, does Player B die?" I only asked 2 things in this game. Other than proving your have a seriously poor memory, I'm not sure what you're going for here. Please, give an example of something I asked from a game other than monster. Monster I asked a lot of questions because of your piss poor modding. I will freely admit that.

Even in this game you wanted to know what our thoughts were on a role before you decided how to play it the next day, any answer to such a question would essentially tell you, Yes that role is in the game, or no it isn't which grants you information and certainty not available to every player and essentially eats away at the very premise of the game.

I had a single reason for asking that question. This. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164268#post164268) I had a bad mod interaction before, I just wanted to make sure that wouldn't happen again. Just because you're a paranoid git doesn't mean there was anything more behind that post, no matter how much you try to project.

And yeah moron, eye of the beholder was my whole point there with you needleing us for bastard roles, as what is bastard can be subjective, you were asking for a list of roles from us that would not be in the game which is not a fair thing to request no matter how you slice it.

I asked if CULT could be in the game. If it was supposed to be clear this wasn't a bastard game, that should be an easy "no". I never asked about a single other role. What I asked is, "can I source the wiki". Not "did you source the wiki". How about you learn to read in the future, rather than assuming other people are as cut throat as you are?

CYBER

10-17-2015, 03:28 PM

kiss and make up bitches.

Blackmage

10-17-2015, 03:32 PM

:) I'm fairly sure that will never happen. I'm just tired of him treating me like crap and lying. Once he at least masks his contempt for me, I'll leave it be.

Blackmage: quick question. When the rules said "no third party websites" were you talking about for shenanigans, or are we supposed to avoid the wiki?
What: i think its pretty straight forward
Blackmage: are you talking about the section on codes that was discussed, but never added to the rules?
What: all communication must occur in the thread
Blackmage: thank you
What: If you think you may be breaking the rules, you are
Blackmage: I was going to be sourcing the wiki over Blade's role list
Blackmage: but since the wiki is third party and his list is first party, wanted to be sure before I make my post
What: i have no idea what your talking about, but do what you want, you break a rule and you're gone
Blackmage: the list of Bastard roles in Blade's thread is not the definition of Bastard I use, but if you told me it was bible, I would use it as such
What: i have no idea what your talking about, but do what you want, you break a rule and you're gone
Blackmage: If you have questions feel free to contact me and Pass, but we reserve the right not to answer any questions we deem necessary to preserve the integrity of the game.
What: Do what you want, you break a rule and you're gone

Screencap in case there are worries about editing (http://puu.sh/kQP4W/bec4345937.png)