Whitey aka YM Beast

[Cougar]

Admin's INGAME name: currently YM Beast, better known as Whitey
You're INGAME name: That Guy
Server: gun game
Map: sex fix
Date & Time: demo date/time - 10/27/2015, 3:03:00 PM
LINK TO DEMO (ftp://gg.ibisgaming.com/auto-20151027-144617-gg_sex_fix.dem)

The abuse wasn't directed at me, and is a fairly simple matter. I am only posting this because of his attitude while GGC members are on ever since his ban from our servers. Also because I think Dinkz (the one abused) is currently at work, he also works with minj. Now I rewatched the demo, and I do apologize to anyone that watches it and has to suffer through mononcles bitching, but although most of the chat is there, when whitey first kicks the spectators and when he bans Dinkz, they do not appear in the demos chat. Dinkz 10min ban also does not appear in source bans for some reason, and oddly there is no ban since yesterday (could be a good thing, hopefully sourcebans is not broken).

What happened was, Dinkz lagged out, rejoined. Whether he rejoined intentionally or actually lagged out is irrelevant to the admin, because they just see it as a rejoin, which is fine. A warning should be issued though. Whiteys warning is was a kick, telling him not to rejoin, which actually does appear in the demo. So I took a screenshot of that. Dinkz proceeds to join again after being kicked, which then leads whitey to banning him for 10min for rejoining again. So if an admin kicks someone for rejoining that person is not allowed to join the server again? Had he just gave Dinkz a verbal warning like what is expected for rejoining, or hell, even a slay to take back any levels he received from rejoining would have made sense. But to kick someone for rejoining, then banning them after they rejoin after the kick is blatant abuse, and you can tell he is just being one big salt lick throughout the demo about his ban on ggc.

If someone is able to retrieve the initial kick of the spectators and the reason that would help a lot, also the ban on dinkz that does not appear on sourcebans as well as the original reason, in case he changed it before removing it, if he did in fact remove it (if sourcebans is not broken). As well as just watching the demo to see how bitter he is. I just come to play, and I don't want to deal with his nonsense about something that happened somewhere else. I'm sure all the other GGC members that frequent Ibis would appreciate if he just got over it and move on instead of taking it out on them and being salty at every opportunity.

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[YM Beast]

ftp://gg.ibisgaming.com/auto-20151027-144617-gg_sex_fix.dem
Here you go everyone, the demo.


The abuse wasn't directed at me, and is a fairly simple matter. I am only posting this because of his attitude while GGC members are on ever since his ban from our servers.
Incorrect. The only reason your community is around today is because of this one. No one appreciates the bickering that comes out of every single one of your members mouths that step foot into our servers, nor do we appreciate the attitudes that we are given. With this, those attitudes are returned after you wear our patience thin. You wore mine thin a long time ago, way before you even joined that community.


Also because I think Dinkz (the one abused) is currently at work, he also works with minj. Now I rewatched the demo, and I do apologize to anyone that watches it and has to suffer through mononcles bitching, but although most of the chat is there, when whitey first kicks the spectators and when he bans Dinkz, they do not appear in the demos chat. Dinkz 10min ban also does not appear in source bans for some reason, and oddly there is no ban since yesterday (could be a good thing, hopefully sourcebans is not broken).
Whether he works with minj or he works with ZERO, he is expected to follow all of the rules of the servers and the clan, just as we all do. I carry out the same process as I do for every single player that rejoins (aside from maynard who played under a different name and I couldn't slay because of his immunity). He did not receive a slay, as I had already warned him the round prior as he was intentionally team attacking me with his auto sniper, which accompanied a slap with the warning. He then decided to rejoin, not once, not twice, but three times, which resulted in a 10 minute ban.

I spoke to ZERO 4 days ago about my sourcebans punishments. They don't show up. He can serve his 10 minute ban, which he already did.


What happened was, Dinkz lagged out, rejoined.
No, he didn't lag out. He immediately rejoined. Don't sugar-coat it.


Whether he rejoined intentionally or actually lagged out is irrelevant to the admin, because they just see it as a rejoin, which is fine. A warning should be issued though. Whiteys warning is was a kick, telling him not to rejoin, which actually does appear in the demo.
You need to re-read my response to the second quote.


So I took a screenshot of that. Dinkz proceeds to join again after being kicked, which then leads whitey to banning him for 10min for rejoining again. So if an admin kicks someone for rejoining that person is not allowed to join the server again?
I don't think you understand the concept of a "rejoin".


Had he just gave Dinkz a verbal warning like what is expected for rejoining, or hell, even a slay to take back any levels he received from rejoining would have made sense. But to kick someone for rejoining, then banning them after they rejoin after the kick is blatant abuse, and you can tell he is just being one big salt lick throughout the demo about his ban on ggc.
Maybe I should say this in English, or a more broken down form so you can understand..

1) No one cares about their ban from your community for the hacking they do not do.
2) If your members (and every player) would listen, the punishments they receive would appear a lot less.
In a series of events..
3a) Dinkz team attacked me intentionally while I was on knife level
3b) Dinkz received a warning and a slap
3c) Dinkz rejoins and received a kick
3d) Dinkz rejoins and received another kick
3e) Dinkz rejoins and received a ban


If someone is able to retrieve the initial kick of the spectators and the reason that would help a lot, also the ban on dinkz that does not appear on sourcebans as well as the original reason, in case he changed it before removing it, if he did in fact remove it (if sourcebans is not broken).
Bans can not be deleted from sourcebans. Edible was kicked for being AFK in spectate while the server was full.


As well as just watching the demo to see how bitter he is. I just come to play, and I don't want to deal with his nonsense about something that happened somewhere else. I'm sure all the other GGC members that frequent Ibis would appreciate if he just got over it and move on instead of taking it out on them and being salty at every opportunity.
There is nothing to "move on" from. All current actions are upon current events, and all actions taken are suitable actions within the outlined punishments.

Good day to you.
In addition, I am the last person to ever abuse my admin. Unlike an unnamed individual, I do not ban without reason.
There is a big difference between abuse, accurate punishments, and being "salty".

If you choose not to hear what I have to say, type !sm in chat, type sm_sm in console, or press ESC > Player List and mute me. However, should you choose to do so, it is not my fault when you do not hear or see my warnings which result in punishment for your actions.

[Cougar]

You kicked him for rejoining, then proceeded to ban him when he rejoined from you kicking him. That is blatant abuse. People ARE ALLOWED to rejoin when they are kicked. If someone rejoins, you issue a verbal warning, because kicking them makes no sense because they are in fact allowed to join again if they are kicked. There is no rule stating a kicked player is not allowed back on the server, that is what bans are for.


1) No one cares about their ban from your community for the hacking they do not do.
2) If your members (and every player) would listen, the punishments they receive would appear a lot less.
In a serious of events..
3a) Dinkz team attacked me intentionally while I was on knife level
3b) Dinkz received a warning and a slap
3c) Dinkz rejoins and received a kick
3d) Dinkz rejoins and received another kick
3e) Dinkz rejoins and received a ban

1) Your attitude on the demo shows you actually care so much that you go out of your way to be very bitter.
2) I'm pretty sure GGC members are not playing on ibis to not listen to admins. You are taking 1 incident and trying to lump all of GGC into one category. The bitterness continues.
3) By your logic, anyone that gets kicked should not immediately rejoin the server, because that would end with a ban. That is not how ibis rules work. Maybe you are misinterpreting them. Him knifing you is him being an ass, and does that to a lot of people and has been kicked before for that. Him rejoining is another matter, and you probably should have issued a verbal warning like what the rules say. Quite frankly, kicking someone for rejoining makes no sense. You wrote that you kicked him for rejoining, then you kicked him again after he joined from your first kick, then you banned him after he joined after that 2nd kick. This is blatant abuse or just extreme stupidity.

The demo shows that no one from GGC was saying anything about your ban other than me but only after you continued to be extremely salty about being banned for hacking on GGC. Your attitude needs to change, if someone from GGC plays on ibis, leave what happened on GGC out of ibis servers, ignore the GGC members unless they actually do something to warrant proper punishment, and quit being such a big baby. No one cares that you were banned on GGC, no one wants to hear about it from you, and this thread is not about your ban on GGC. The one that needs to learn to read is you, which is evident when I agreed with a kick if he did in fact rejoin intentionally. But to continue to kick someone when they rejoin from you kicking them, makes no sense at all and is why I made this thread. Dinkz said he lagged out on the demo, there is no way for him to prove that, but it is irrelevant anyway because all an admin sees is a rejoin. If he timed out it would be different, I'd hope, but seeing how you kick people that rejoin after you already kicked them, I'd imagine you would kick them for rejoining if they timed out as well.

Get off your high horse, I've heard plenty of stories about your past, and no, no one should take your word for anything, and no one should believe that you're an upstanding admin that would never abuse.

tl;dr
Kicks spectators because 1 GGC member is in spectate, reason is something along the line of "banned by admin"
Dinkz rejoins, receives a kick.
Dinkz rejoins from being kicked, receives a kick for joining.
Dinkz rejoins from being kicked for rejoining after receiving a kick for rejoining, receives a 10min ban that does not appear on sourcebans.

Sorry whitey, there is sufficient evidence that you are indeed incredibly salty about being banned on GGC and that you are now taking it out on GGC members that frequent ibis. I make sure when you start mic spamming that I player list mute you as well, even though I prefer not to have admins muted in case they pull a shithead on me.

[ZERO]

the glitch in the database has been corrected and will take effect next map change.

[StarsMine]

so.... we have a third whitey now?
Why is whitey such a common name...

I dont care about the rest, I was not involved, cant comment. Im just confused on you calling him out as whitey.

[Cougar]

That is Whitey. You can tell by watching the demo.

[YM Beast]

You kicked him for rejoining, then proceeded to ban him when he rejoined from you kicking him.
You are clearly missing the point where I both stated and is visible in the demo that he was already warned for team attacking.



That is blatant abuse. People ARE ALLOWED to rejoin when they are kicked.
This is stated where?



If someone rejoins, you issue a verbal warning, because kicking them makes no sense because they are in fact allowed to join again if they are kicked. There is no rule stating a kicked player is not allowed back on the server, that is what bans are for.

Which is why he was banned for 10 minutes after his team attacking and rejoining three times.



1) Your attitude on the demo shows you actually care so much that you go out of your way to be very bitter.
Attitudes have absolutely nothing to do with admin abuse. Should you find my attitude annoying, you are welcome to mute me via the methods I stated in my previous reply. Should you find my attitude offensive, you are welcome to file a temp ban request with the appropriate evidence.



2) I'm pretty sure GGC members are not playing on ibis to not listen to admins. You are taking 1 incident and trying to lump all of GGC into one category. The bitterness continues.
I am taking no incidents and combing them no to categories. All that has been stated is factual occurrences of what goes on during play by play actions. Dinkz just so happened to have your tag on, and you see it as abuse because I apparently have this desperation to play on your server, while there is a perfect, original, stable one right here.



3) By your logic, anyone that gets kicked should not immediately rejoin the server,
Anyone that leaves the server should not rejoin period. If you're going to rejoin, wait in spectate until the next map so the handicap does not kick in.



because that would end with a ban.
After a warning and 3 rejoins, yes, this is a sufficient 10 minute punishment.



That is not how ibis rules work. Maybe you are misinterpreting them.
No misinterpreting. There is a reason I have never had an abuse thread posted on me. I do not abuse, and I follow the rules and carry out the punishments for those that have infractions upon them very well. Every IBIS admin knows this.



Him knifing you is him being an ass, and does that to a lot of people and has been kicked before for that.
Player never knifed me. Player continuously fired his auto sniper directly at me as I faced him after the first time he hit me.



Him rejoining is another matter, and you probably should have issued a verbal warning like what the rules say.
Incorrect. Warnings are issued to individual players. After your first warning (for any infraction), you should want to better yourself immediately so that further action is not taken. His choice was to rejoin (as he did not lag out). I can't help him with his decisions.



Quite frankly, kicking someone for rejoining makes no sense. You wrote that you kicked him for rejoining, then you kicked him again after he joined from your first kick, then you banned him after he joined after that 2nd kick. This is blatant abuse or just extreme stupidity.
I don't make the rules. I follow them and enforce them with no if and or but. Friend or not, anyone that breaks the rules receives the same fair treatment as deemed by the extremely well outlined TOS and rules.



The demo shows that no one from GGC was saying anything about your ban other than me but only after you continued to be extremely salty about being banned for hacking on GGC. Your attitude needs to change, if someone from GGC plays on ibis, leave what happened on GGC out of ibis servers, ignore the GGC members unless they actually do something to warrant proper punishment, and quit being such a big baby.
As I had originally stated -- an attitude, bitter, raw, polite, or "salty", has absolutely no grounds within "admin abuse". I see no abuse as punishments were carried out within reason, and a fair suspension of the player was served. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I was not the only admin on the server as there were plenty of witnesses, no one has anything to say about this besides you.



No one cares that you were banned on GGC, no one wants to hear about it from you, and this thread is not about your ban on GGC. The one that needs to learn to read is you, which is evident when I agreed with a kick if he did in fact rejoin intentionally. But to continue to kick someone when they rejoin from you kicking them, makes no sense at all and is why I made this thread.
We've had players PERMANENTLY banned for rejoining. He received his first ban for 10 minutes, for rejoining THREE times, after he was ALREADY WARNED for team attacking. Please, do understand that you are missing the entire point of why he earned himself a kick instead of a slay for his first rejoin. All he had to do was wait - the map was over in another 4 minutes. Those 4 minutes could have saved him 14 minutes, which eventually led to him giving up and not coming back. I watch over every single player that has ever broken a rule in their past playtime on IBIS. I look at their previous bans as soon as they join the server, whether they have 1, 5, 10, or 60.



Dinkz said he lagged out on the demo, there is no way for him to prove that, but it is irrelevant anyway because all an admin sees is a rejoin. If he timed out it would be different, I'd hope, but seeing how you kick people that rejoin after you already kicked them, I'd imagine you would kick them for rejoining if they timed out as well.
This is incorrect, especially for a matter of the engine.
Those that lag out do not immediately reconnect. They receive a 25 second server disconnection time-out, which, if the connection is resolved during the time-out, they are reconnected without ever having to rejoin. It does not state that they left the game.
Dinkz on the other hand decided to immediately disconnect and come back. I notice this, after he was already warned for team attacking, and he is kicked.




Get off your high horse, I've heard plenty of stories about your past, and no, no one should take your word for anything, and no one should believe that you're an upstanding admin that would never abuse.
Posting an abuse thread and telling me to "get off my high horse" have nothing to do with each other, nor does it make you look any better. In fact, it is making this situation a lot worse, and will only lead to you eventually causing a problem within the server after this "abuse" is either deemed true or false. It happens every time.




tl;dr
Kicks spectators because 1 GGC member is in spectate, reason is something along the line of "banned by admin"
Dinkz rejoins, receives a kick.
Dinkz rejoins from being kicked, receives a kick for joining.
Dinkz rejoins from being kicked for rejoining after receiving a kick for rejoining, receives a 10min ban that does not appear on sourcebans.

Sorry whitey, there is sufficient evidence that you are indeed incredibly salty about being banned on GGC and that you are now taking it out on GGC members that frequent ibis. I make sure when you start mic spamming that I player list mute you as well, even though I prefer not to have admins muted in case they pull a shithead on me.
tl;dr
ShiqueGeek asked that we get rid of spectators as the server was full and no one could join. I typed out in chat for edible to join, waited, and he never did. He was then kicked. I have two kick macros. One is ban, one is a kick. I suppose I hit the wrong one, which resulted in him seeing an odd reason. The idea of the macros is to kick those that are banned. Typing !ban playername time reason in chat, does not result in what is called a "kickban". It is only logged. To get rid of those that I need to ban immediately (such as teamkillers), all I have to do is type !kick name/@spec/etc and hit one key for the reason. I must have hit the wrong macro that supplied the reason and did not notice, however rest assured player is not punished and was only kicked for being AFK, and my incorrect reason was an accident, while he was still taking up a player slot and kicked for it. I do apologize for the misunderstanding on that one.

[Cougar]

If you kick someone, they are allowed to rejoin. Kicking them again because they come back is abuse. Banning them afterwards because they came back yet again is more abuse. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO REJOIN IF YOU ONLY KICKED THEM. There is no rule stating they are not allowed and you are not following your admin guidelines. You are wrong, plain and simple. You are interpreting rejoining in your own way. If you don't want someone coming back for rejoining, ban them right away, but then again, that is not how you are supposed to do things, you should issue a verbal warning. His team attacking has nothing to do with his initial kick nor does it have to do with his ban. You using admin to slap him because he team attacked you is also abuse. You should read the admin rules again.

[YM Beast]

If you don't want someone coming back for rejoining, ban them right away.

This statement gives me enough reason to not come back to this thread until it is responded to by ULA or Clan.

[Cougar]

So you ignore the important parts though, the parts where you kick him, and when he comes back you kick him again, then when he comes back you ban him for rejoining. You honestly don't see how this is stupid? Kicking someone and them coming back is not rejoining, they are not doing it for the purpose of gaining levels, because they were kicked and forced to leave. Learn the difference. Rejoining for the purpose of gaining levels is not allowed. Rejoining after being kicked is allowed and is not done for the purpose of gaining levels. Don't argue semantics either. If you don't understand what I am saying, or you feel the need to find hidden meanings in things I say, just stop there. You abused, you are trying to justify it in one of the stupidest ways I have ever seen, and you are in the wrong. You even say exactly what you did which is very helpful because I missed that second kick. Quit being salty, don't abuse your admin, get on with your sad life and don't be ignorant to GGC members that play on ibis just because of something that happened on GGC servers.

[YM Beast]

I will narrow this down for you in English.

1) Dinkz intentionally team attacks me
2) Dinkz is warned about his intentional team attacking, receives a slap for the same amount (rule break 1)
3) Dinkz rejoins after the round, is kicked as he was already warned for his team attacking (rule break 2)
4) Dinkz rejoins after kick clearly stating "DO NOT REJOIN", is kicked for rejoining (rule break 3)
5) Dinkz rejoins after kick again, receives a 10 minute ban in accordance to the outline punishments that all admins are expected to follow (rule break 4)

[$Money$]

Only thing I don't understand is why you banned him after he rejoined from you kicking him?

[Cougar]

I understand what he did now.
The note he left in the first kick was "DO NOT REJOIN" which was intended to inform dinkz not to rejoin after his kick. This was not a note left to signify that rejoining intentionally was why he was kicked. Which only means this was abuse. The 2nd kick and the ban. The slap, sure that's fine, dinkz can be an ass like that.

[YM Beast]

Only thing I don't understand is why you banned him after he rejoined from you kicking him?

The map was about to end. His continuous rejoining effectively granted him levels. He was banned in this nature, as per:


XIII. Team Killing/Shooting
1) When Team Killing is preformed intentionally
A) For the purpose of disrupting the server
B) For griefing / harassing another player

Player received warning.

XII. Spec/Retry
2) No player shall reconnect or leave the server and come back to avoid death.
3) No player shall reconnect or leave the server and come back to play again in the same round.

Player received kick.
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-PUNISHMENT

I. Kicks
Should be given out to players to break the rules and disrupt the game. A verbal and admin say warring should be given out in advanced of a kick.
1) If players fail to respond within a reasonable time frame they should be kicked for violation of any of the following
XII

Player received kick.

2) The following can be upgraded directly to a "short" temp ban with the discretion of the ADMIN. Remember that the player should still be warned before any ban or kick is issued.
XII

Player received "short" temp ban (10 minutes).

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2) Violation of any of the following after the player has been kicked (or the rules bypass are met) for preforming said violation. Note that instant bypasses should not be longer than an hour or so. Also remember that the player should have been clearly warned before the issue of said ban.
XII

Player rejoined 3 times after the first warning for team attacking, and the second warning for rejoining.

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II. Understanding bypasses
Some rules allow for bypasses, this means that under some circumstances one type of punishment can be bypassed and a more sever one can be issued. For example violations of some rules may allow admins to skip a kick and go to a predesignated ban length instead.

This could have been the case, but I actually enjoy giving players the opportunity to fix themselves.
He did not try. He received his punishment.

I don't think I made myself clear the moment I became admin.
I do not abuse. I know every single rule and every single punishment that goes in hand. You are reviewing a post from someone who wishes I do not play here anymore as he believes I aimbot. This is like listening to babbaj and Phil go at it.

I will not revisit this thread unless informed otherwise by a clan member. You will not find any abuse, should you choose to review the infractions that took place, followed by the punishments that were then given. In the amount of time I've spent trying to help you understand what this player did wrong in 4, extremely detailed replies, you still refuse to understand, and your personal grudges have absolutely no admittance to this thread.

This is not GGC. While your server is a mock of ours, we stand by our rules, and there are no hidden ones. I have ran 5 clans and wrote and enforced the rules to every single one of them. While I am not the founder or a member, but an admin to IBIS, I'll be damned if you think I'm going to let you trample over this ones members and admins.

Good day to you.

[SCRIBBLE]

This was handled poorly. I'm closing this until I can get to a keyboard.

[SCRIBBLE]

Abuse confirmed. I had an adjustment discussion with beast through steam.

Closed.