Mafia Game: Donner Party 2: Don Harder

[Nemesis]

List of Players:
1. Assassin
2. Blackmage
3. BladeTwinSwords
4. CYBER
5. I'm a zambi
6. Passarelli
7. Rosie
8. SCRIBBLE
9. StarsMine
10. Trigger Unhappy
11. What

Once the roles are handed out please confirm in the thread.

Follows all rules listed in the "Rules" page

In addition, any attempts at cryptography, ciphering, codded communication, or any other Mexican bullshit will be considered cheating. If you're unsure, msg me first. Don't be a Cyber.

Please use appropriate colours for votes. Red for Votes Green for Unvotes and Yellow for nolynch. Wrong votes may not be counted but will be up to my discretion.

Deadlines will not be used unless I deem it necessary. If they are used, votes will be added at random until a decision is reached.

Roles are being distributed momentarily.

Abundant crying will not be tolerated.

ALL ROLES SENT. Will start when enough have confirmed.

[Assassin]

Sigh confirmed

[SCRIBBLE]

Whatever.

[I'm a zambi]

Confirmed.

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In addition, any attempts at cryptography, ciphering, codded communication, or any other Mexican bullshit will be considered cheating. If you're unsure, msg me first. Don't be a Cyber.

Abundant crying will not be tolerated.
:smirk:

[BladeTwinSwords]

Confirmed

[Trigger Unhappy]

confirmed

[Blackmage]

got it

[What]

still waiting, the fuck you doing nem?

[Nemesis]

still waiting, the fuck you doing nem?

Was waiting for you, naturally.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVGV2quBm5M

Here we go. No fancy bullshit. No stupid build up. Just 11 cunts in a room.

Win. Or Don't.

Day 1 Starts Now

[Rosie]

Confirmed

[What]

still nothing

[StarsMine]

Got an email saying I was almost out of inbox space.

[What]

I currently and previously have plenty of room in the inbox

[What]

Id I don't get my role in the next couple hours im out.

[Nemesis]

Id I don't get my role in the next couple hours im out.

Step 1: check your inbox

Step 2: delete shit in inbox

Step 3: Don't be a Cyber

If this fails msg me on steam, but you should have two now.

[Assassin]

vote zambi zambi's eat other people..we're in a donnor game..seems legit.

[I'm a zambi]

vote zambi zambi's eat other people..we're in a donnor game..seems legit.
I like this post.

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I love it this much.
9928

[What]

Now I got it, only have 1 message, did not delete anything in my inbox, only had 23 messages in there, so make sure you didn't send my role to someone else by mistake Nem.

[I'm a zambi]

Now I got it, only have 1 message, did not delete anything in my inbox, only had 23 messages in there, so make sure you didn't send my role to someone else by mistake Nem.
You sound like you have something to hide. :smirk:

[What]

go fuck yourself Zambi, He fucked something up, if he thinks he sent me two messages then he sent one to someone else.

[Nemesis]

Ok, something fucked up forum side, Everyone has their roles, no one got someone else's msg, we're all good.

You cunts can start playing now.

[What]

Day 1, how long do people want to barely talk before voting out the afk guy? 1 week? 2?

[CYBER]

Confirmed.



go fuck yourself Zambi, He fucked something up, if he thinks he sent me two messages then he sent one to someone else.

Anton that note :
Vote What

[Passarelli]

Yawn, confirmed

[SCRIBBLE]

This should be of no surprise...

vote cyber

[I'm a zambi]

Cyber policy? :smirk:

[Blackmage]

Vote Pass

He showed far too much emotion in his confirmation.

[Passarelli]

I had just woken up >.>

[Rosie]

Blade hasn't said anything stupid yet, he is hiding something.

Vote Blade

[BladeTwinSwords]

Tits!

[StarsMine]

Vote Scribble
Bit early to vote out the most useless member isnt it?

[SCRIBBLE]

Vote Scribble
Bit early to vote out the most harmful member isnt it?

Fixed that for you.

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Also, no.

[Rosie]

Unvote

[What]

so is everyone just swinging wild at this point?

[CYBER]

so is everyone just swinging wild at this point?

Whoops! sorry for randomly voting, hold on, i'm going to go study and evaluate nemesis's incredibly insightful scene expose.
It might take a while because I wouldn't wanna accidentally skim over anything important.

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yeah, i'll keep my vote.
If I'm gonna RNG this shit, i might as well do it based off your reaction.

[Assassin]

so is everyone just swinging wild at this point?

Welcome to day one..where everyone votes and the votes mean nothing!

[What]

Whoops! sorry for randomly voting, hold on, i'm going to go study and evaluate nemesis's incredibly insightful scene expose.
It might take a while because I wouldn't wanna accidentally skim over anything important.

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yeah, i'll keep my vote.
If I'm gonna RNG this shit, i might as well do it based off your reaction.

My reaction to what? Starting the game without receiving my role? That sounds logical.

[Assassin]

No the part where you said I hope no one else gets my role. Which leads us to believe you have a non vanilla townie roll and have a 4 in 11 chance of being a baddie. Dotn be dense what.

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Actually unvote

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vote what

[What]

that's just terrible reasoning Ass. Regardless of what your role is you don't want someone else to have it, which as Nem said, there was a forum issue. Stop trying to meta crap when I wasn't even playing the game.

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Also, why can you speak on behalf of Cyber?

[StarsMine]

eh, seen worse

[Assassin]

I speak on what everyone was thinking because...logic. Again. Stop being purposely dense

[What]

The hell you talking about ass, you're metating the balls out of something that wasn't even part of the game, thats not logic thats idiotic.

[Trigger Unhappy]

Anyone want to discuss setup? 3 v 9? Or 3v8v1?

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Oh there are 11
3 v 8 or 2v8v1

[What]

I would assume that he would just take out one of the VT's from the original setup since that would be the easiest way to adjust.

[SCRIBBLE]

I speak on what everyone was thinking because...logic. Again. Stop being purposely dense

Grasping at straws ≠ Logic.

Please try again.

[Blackmage]

Trig: It's 2v9 or 2v1v8 (or if Nem is rude to the mafia 1v1v9).

[BladeTwinSwords]

Anything's a possibility with Nemesis

[Rosie]

I assumed 2v2v7

[BladeTwinSwords]

I assumed 2v2v7

That's a bit overkill.

The original setup was

2 Cannibal Mafia
1 Serial Cannibal with 1 Shot Deathproof and something else.
1 Roleblocker
1 Investigator
1 Cannibal Vigilante
7 VT's

[What]

Its possible he changed some things with the setup, but based on the original and having 1 fewer people I would again assume a 2 v 1 v 8. Adding an additional third party with 1 less player makes no sense, and he wouldn't take the mafia down to 1, that's completely idiotic.

[CYBER]

Its possible he changed some things with the setup, but based on the original and having 1 fewer people I would again assume a 2 v 1 v 8. Adding an additional third party with 1 less player makes no sense, and he wouldn't take the mafia down to 1, that's completely idiotic.
First logical thing What's said all game, balance-wise.


Still keeping my vote though. I hate RNG, so thanks for that reaction, seeing as there's nothing else to go about other than absolutely nothing.

[What]

It would be nice if you could answer my question Cyber.

[Assassin]

Grasping at straws ≠ Logic.

Please try again.

nice to see you partner. Thanks for showing your face early on.

[SCRIBBLE]

nice to see you partner. Thanks for showing your face early on.

Once again, way to show how much attention you don't pay to these games. Either you need to do some remedial schooling on reading comprehension or get checked out for ADD/ADHD.

[Passarelli]

nice to see you partner. Thanks for showing your face early on.

Vote Assassin

[Assassin]

Vote Assassin

Really that made you vote for me?

[What]

Really that made you vote for me?

You have been playing and/or acting poorly.

[I'm a zambi]

Vote Cyber
It's tradition.

[Assassin]

You have been playing and/or acting poorly.

As compared to what? It's first day. Someone I think you what...said ok we just going to wait and lunch the afk? I drew the Same conclusions as most who read what what put out there. You should've kept that shit in pms and not in the game if you didn't want people drawing conclusions.

[What]

You keep saying you are talking for everyone, and no one agrees with you. I will say this one final time.

Nemesis was not on Steam, and as he does he like to blame someone else for the issues. The best way to get in touch with him was in thread. I wanted to make it clear I was not Cyber trying to meta something or anything stupid like that. So when Zambi, presumably light heartely made a comment on what I posted I wanted to make it clear that this was no part of the game. Nemesis posted that it was a forum side issue, no one was at fault, and again, not part of the game. I wanted to make sure something external was not brought into the game but you and cyber are apparently so much cancer for these games you couldn't help yourselves. I am not discussing this further, it was outside of the game not part of it.

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And why not stick you pm's? Because the PM's were not coming through captain logic.

[Rosie]

Vote Trig

Confirmed then AFK

[Assassin]

You keep saying you are talking for everyone, and no one agrees with you. I will say this one final time.

Nemesis was not on Steam, and as he does he like to blame someone else for the issues. The best way to get in touch with him was in thread. I wanted to make it clear I was not Cyber trying to meta something or anything stupid like that. So when Zambi, presumably light heartely made a comment on what I posted I wanted to make it clear that this was no part of the game. Nemesis posted that it was a forum side issue, no one was at fault, and again, not part of the game. I wanted to make sure something external was not brought into the game but you and cyber are apparently so much cancer for these games you couldn't help yourselves. I am not discussing this further, it was outside of the game not part of it.

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And why not stick you pm's? Because the PM's were not coming through captain logic.

I got my pm, as did all others who confirmed, I had no reason to think it was the system capt logic.

unvote

[SCRIBBLE]

#logic

[Assassin]

well obviously until after it was posted at which time what got really defensive about someone else getting his role, which if he was a vanilla townie, he probably wouldn't of cared that much.

[Passarelli]

Assassin, you need to remember that he didn't know what he had got for a bit. Also if his role was sent to mafia and he is a VT, the pool of people the power role could possibility be would be narrowed down.

Frankly, it is day 1 and we don't have much to go for. Right now, I really don't like your interactions with anyone, which is why I fully expect my vote to stay unchanged this day.

[Assassin]

That's of course your prerogative and true if a mafia did get him as a vt that would be been bad

[Assassin]

guess we can start the afk train early to make sure he's still here. vote trig

[SCRIBBLE]

Boom, logic.

[Assassin]

got any better ideas scribble? Or you just going to bitch the game isn't going fast enough and leave again?

[What]

Vote Trig

Confirmed then AFK

he did a post after that about the settup

[SCRIBBLE]

got any better ideas scribble? Or you just going to bitch the game isn't going fast enough and leave again?
I will stick around to make fun of your use of the word logic. At least you are not on cyber's level of ruining games yet.

Spyfall games are supposed to be fast. I would expect you to know that if you were anyone else but you are terrible when it comes to reading and comprehending words when they are put together in a sentence longer that four words.

tl;du: you're awful

[Trigger Unhappy]

Yeah I'm not AFK. I just never know what to do Day 1. You want my RNG? Vote Pass

[What]

I'm waiting to see if Cyber continues to be obtuse.


It does not look like anyone is AFK, though some people have posted very little, which, I know, is due to it being day 1 and everyone hoping to see someone out themselves as Blade did nonsensically in the last game.

[CYBER]

You keep saying you are talking for everyone, and no one agrees with you. I will say this one final time.

Nemesis was not on Steam, and as he does he like to blame someone else for the issues. The best way to get in touch with him was in thread. I wanted to make it clear I was not Cyber trying to meta something or anything stupid like that. So when Zambi, presumably light heartely made a comment on what I posted I wanted to make it clear that this was no part of the game. Nemesis posted that it was a forum side issue, no one was at fault, and again, not part of the game. I wanted to make sure something external was not brought into the game but you and cyber are apparently so much cancer for these games you couldn't help yourselves. I am not discussing this further, it was outside of the game not part of it.

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And why not stick you pm's? Because the PM's were not coming through captain logic.


don't go getting your panties in a bunch now.
It was an RNG vote, and god i fucking hate to rng people because they start wanting every fucking explication in the game.

I was debating if i should just not vote (as per usual) until the inevitable throat punching comes out,
or to vote someone randomly, because IT'S FUCKING DAY 1, NOTHING happens day 1, we just sit around doing jack shit until the timer runs out, and then people start panicing and forcing wagons, which THEN starts to reveal alliances.
Right now's it's just boring as fuck and i'm just waiting for the inevitable.

so when YOU freaked out when nemesis fucked up your message (he obviously blames it on a forum freak of nature, naturally).
I didn't even think that much of it at the time, but it felt like a happy coincidence for a target to vote on.

And I was about gonna unvote you the next day, but i'm enjoying your current panic and search for explanations when there are none, so i'm keeping it, it's humoring.

[Blackmage]

Some wine, mostly for Ass. Mafia have day talk. So if What was mafia, there's a good chance he would have been contacted by his partner and wouldn't have needed Nem's confirmation. However, for the rest of us the thing to take away is that day talk exists.

We know there is no vote manipulation, so we know we won't have surprise lynches.

These are just some quick thoughts, will post more after some sleep and consideration.

[Assassin]

unvote
How do we know they have daytalk?

[StarsMine]

In what world does mafia get day talk?

[I'm a zambi]

Unvote

[What]

According to the setup for this game the last time it was played, the mafia did have day talk, that thread is still up people should look at it.

Also, I feel at this point Cyber is not even reading this thread but is lost in his own world, combined with him having contradicted himself a few times already.

[SCRIBBLE]

A first day cyber lynch is always the best move. Always.

[Blackmage]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Donner_Party
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/12530-The-Donner-Party

This is the donner party setup.

So, we have a lot of people saying nothing, an open setup with a minor twist (one unconfirmed missing role), a couple people who haven't even voted, the normal Cyber hate. Thanks to Trig, I'm now on the only person with more than one vote. I guess for now I'll leave my vote.

Once we choose someone, we pretty much have to lynch them D1. With no protection, and pretty much every NK being janitored, a good bluff would screw us. However, step one is deciding who to go for. We'll probably hit town day one, but the vote will be at least half town no matter what. The town has a few weapons, we need to use them.

(Parenthesis are who voted for them)

Ass (Pass)
BM
Blade
CYBER (Scrib)
zambi
Pass (BM, Trig)
Rosie
SCRIB (Stars)
Stars
Trig (Rosie)
What (Cyber)

No Votes: Blade, What, Zambi, Ass

[Assassin]

actually come to think of it...what is up blade? vote blade

[BladeTwinSwords]

actually come to think of it...what is up blade? vote blade

Not too much. Just catching up on the thread. I don't really have any info at this time because it's Day 1 and we have nothing to go on.

[What]

Blade is almost always online, either steam or here. He is probably one of the least likely people to go AFK for real, though he does like to play around in these games, like his unforced day 1 Jester claim in the last game.

Pass may disappear suddenly due to his job, but, except for the last spyfall game, its never exceeded 24 hours.

Trigger seems to disappear for large swaths of time for various reasons.

But aside from all that, no one is likely to garner the AFK vote, at least as it stands now.

[Assassin]

unvote

[x k i N G x]

uban me -.-

[Passarelli]

I've been checking a few times a day. Nothing interesting has happened other than Assassin calling Scribble "partner". So I haven't felt the need to take time to post when I've been pretty busy.

[What]

Wait, Pass did you think Ass was trying to call Scribble his partner as part of some type of mason play? If that was the case it means he didn't understand that setup and is truly terrible at this game.

[Assassin]

Lol I was drawing the correlation between him and what because he came to his defense. Gotta draw some talking out somewhere.

[What]

Lol I was drawing the correlation between him and what because he came to his defense. Gotta draw some talking out somewhere.

That is what I assumed, and seemed pretty clear from context, can people at least read things in sequence?

[BladeTwinSwords]

That is what I assumed, and seemed pretty clear from context, can people at least read things in sequence?

This is IBIS we are talking about...

[CYBER]

Ok, assassin's pretty much rly trying to constantly have talks going, which leads me to think he's no VT.
Whether that's good or bad, I can't tell yet.

Blackmage's being the overly helpful person as usual.
What's being a tool, as usual.
Scribble's fueling hate against me this game, compared to going afk, now that's a fun sight to see.
Pass didn't provide anything useful as of yet.
Cyber is completely useless and doesn't mind getting lynched day 1 because Mafia101, and he just made a rehash post just because he's got nothing else to talk about because of how useless everyone else is as well.


Does that sum it up?

unvote What. I had my fun.

[Assassin]

Lol about right

[SCRIBBLE]

This is IBIS we are talking about...

...logic. Again.

Also, everyone vote for cyber because he is a weenie.

[SCRIBBLE]

uban me -.-

vote king scum

[Assassin]

Think scrib is a joker or whatever?

[Passarelli]

Think scrib is a joker or whatever?

Are you serious?

[Assassin]

same type of setup, doesn't mean it is the same setup. This one wasn't posted with what the roles are.

[What]

same type of setup, doesn't mean it is the same setup. This one wasn't posted with what the roles are.

while that is true Ass, no, there is no jester, just stop it.

[StarsMine]

somehow, ass is worse then cyber right now. Im not sure how he is doing it.

[Assassin]

pretty much the only thing you said all game stars.. try being helpful.

[Blackmage]

Well, we're missing most of the stuff people want to waste day 1 on. We know the setup. Since no one wants to out themselves, saying just enough to not be "AFK" makes sense. What we need is votes and trains/wagons.

[SCRIBBLE]

At least ass is attempting to prod, where the rest of us are just being vague and standoffish.

I blame cyber.

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Especially what.

Definitely a change in character.

[Rosie]

well, we're missing most of the stuff people want to waste day 1 on. We know the setup. Since no one wants to out themselves, saying just enough to not be "afk" makes sense. What we need is votes and trains/wagons.


--yep--

[Assassin]

yeah and then the people who do trains get branded as mafia because only they would do that. No one wants to do that and get counter trained....

[SCRIBBLE]

Train cyber.

[Rosie]

Why say it and do nothing? Unvote

Vote Cyber

[I'm a zambi]

8v2v1, right?

Assuming two kills at night (if we don't lynch the SK), that leaves us at 5v2v1. And that would be assuming that the mafia don't hit the SK and vice versa. The vig would just have to no-kill and voilà, we would be on Day 2 with a lot more information than what we have now. This also gives out investigator a night to check someone. I'm too lazy to check the old thread right now but what was our investigative role from last time? Tracker? Cop?

TL;DR: Day 1 never goes anywhere. If we're going to be stuck in a rut, let's be stuck on Day 2 with more information.

[Passarelli]

I've been waiting for the pussies that haven't voted to do something before I move my vote.

[BladeTwinSwords]

The investigator last game determined if a person was a Cannibal or not. The cannibals being the Mafia, SK, and Vigilante.

[Assassin]

vote cyber
Meh w e

[I'm a zambi]

Vote Cyber
YOLO

[What]

Well let me work my magic before the lynch.

BM and Cyber are the best day 1 candidates. BM has a really obvious tell when he is mafia, and it is he floats out terrible ideas, such as the suggestion of a 1 person mafia, or his lynch plan for the day. It sounds good on the surface, but in this setup, "a good bluff" on day one will not sink the town, that's ridiculous. What hurts the town the most is a loss of any of its few power roles. Since scum will most likely claim VT to mitigate the chances of being countered, if a train formed on a town power role, and they let this be known, then it would be absolutely terrible to just follow through with the lynch. The town's best weapon is and always has been its numbers. I have more but we will see how this progresses tomorrow.

That being said, Cyber pretty much claimed VT when he said he wouldn't mind being lynched, which means he is either bluffing as scum or is really a VT, in either case its a choice that will not significantly damage the town in anyway.

vote cyber

[Blackmage]

What hurts the town the most

As you say. unvote vote What

[What]

So defensive BM, might not have to wait any more days until you out yourself more.

[SCRIBBLE]

If cyber isn't scum, what is.

[CYBER]

That being said, Cyber pretty much claimed VT when he said he wouldn't mind being lynched, which means he is either bluffing as scum or is really a VT, in either case its a choice that will not significantly damage the town in anyway.

vote cyber

Wrong.
but hey, keep up the good work.

PS: Not even gonna bother claiming not even if L-1, saying this right now.
So go ahead, stick to your Guns

[SCRIBBLE]

Definitely scum.

[What]

I said what I said about BM because it has consistently been true across multiple games. I don't know if I will survive the night and want the information out there for consideration. I was not advocating his lynch today, but for people to keep an eye on this as the game progresses, his reaction tells me he does not feel he can be cleared in the coming days, further indicating his likely anti-town position.

[CYBER]

That being said, even IF it was a VT, just for the sake of argument here, what you are saying is that you would rather kill off a VT by becoming stubborn on a wagon to lynch said VT, rather than to keep digging for tells on who is scum?

Here's what bothers me about that logic, of all people, YOU were one of the people that constantly nag at a vigilante using their guns randomly (even if infinite shots) at night instead of holding off until there's significant suspicion on someone. Because, according to a post-game commentary made by you :
vigs that shoot randomly at night 1 are idiots because if they kill a townie, or worse a power role, then it's pure random and provides no information as to what, who, why and how they got killed by the vig, if they truly got killed by the vig.

So what is the difference between that, and the fact that you are LITERALLY currently advocating to "policy lynch" at.
The hypocrisy is insane.
You logic is that cutting off your hand with a butcher's knife is better than using that knife to try to kill the person holding you.
I'd be fine if you were only chained by that ONE hand and the cell door is open and your captors are dead or temporary gone (talking about mylo), but right now? You're saying "hey im locked in this cell for a while, i don't know who are my captors or how i'm doing out of this, but hey u know what? I'm going to cut off my hand for no reason at all, just because it's better to cut off my hand than to die in the cell" .
THAT is your "lynch the VT logic".


I'm not saying your assumptions are even correct, I'm just pointing out that VT or no VT, your "Best case senario" is still a crapload of buttshit logic.
You kill me, and you kill a town member, VT or not VT, and you gain nothing, and exactly 2 more people will die at night, leaving you without any info collected day 2.
Plain and simple.

[What]

Who are you talking to Cyber? The stubborn train was BM's idea and yes has obvious problems hence my post about it, and my "logic" was based on you saying you didn't mind being lynched, which means you either gave up on the game, are VT, or scum. I was going to post that and vote for you before the train formed, but I was at work.

The "logic" is that the town has numbers. Even in the games where the town played terribly they still had a chance to win late in the game because of their numbers. A VT dying the first day is not ideal, but its not the end of the world like you are trying to make it seem. And even then, I'm not saying lynch a VT because you haven't claimed anything. Its a 50/50 VT or scum, based off of what you have said, which is not the worst odds.

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but its a nice attempt to put words into someone's mouth cyber.

[CYBER]

I said what I said about BM because it has consistently been true across multiple games. I don't know if I will survive the night and want the information out there for consideration. I was not advocating his lynch today, but for people to keep an eye on this as the game progresses, his reaction tells me he does not feel he can be cleared in the coming days, further indicating his likely anti-town position.


for the record i was typing my other post before i saw this.

I get it that he has that tell, hell most mafia/scum end up accidentally trying too hard to be helpful by giving out unsound ideas.

Assassin's been tryhard all day.
Rosie and zambi and scribble did not provide ANYTHING except the "cyber banter". Basically showing up in the thread and pointing fingers at Cyber because everyone's expecting that day 1 inside joke. This is their excuse to both being active, and inactive at the same time. Showing their presence but not actually progressing the conversation ever, because they wouldn't know what to say.


And then there's you.
You say BM giving you a reason to suspect him, i'll give you that one, but then you go around and vote ME of all people.
I'd be less bothered by that if i was acting scummy or shady or the likes, but I'm finding it borderline suspicious even more that you're saying i'm more than likely VT, that Blackmage's acting suspcicious (i'm seconding this, i'm stating what u're stating), and then resume to voting for "the VT". Because better we kill him than mafia.


This wagon makes no sense, has no grounds, and i'm just gonna ride it through.
If you lynch me, well, you will learn from that costly mistake, if you don't then we would learn who hesitated and who stepped down. So go ahead, stick to your Guns, but your logic makes no sense.

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Who are you talking to Cyber?

Was under the impression i was talking to u,
So just answer me this one question.
SAY that this "lets vote cyber for no reason" wagon started BEFORE you posted your "well cyber's most liely VT", would you STILL vote for me on the wagon after you thought I was VT because losing a VT isnt a big deal?

Or would you wait on another wagon that isn't a scapegoat lynch?
Just that answer would do.

[What]

As I originally said, your statement means, most likely, you are either scum or VT. That is a 50/50 shot. I am glad you see what I am saying about BM, especially due to his reaction.

unvote I'll give you that for now, but I am going to need more than your attempt to teach us all a lesson, which you have to see would make a fantastic gambit for a scum player. I am more than happy to discuss BM if others are willing, but people are impatient.

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And to your second post,

I don't think you are a VT, that's the first thing, if I was certain, I would withhold, but I am a firm believer and always have been, that deaths can give information, and VT's are expendable due to the numbers advantage of town. What we don't want is 5-6 people get wagoned and then claim, basically giving the mafia all the info they need, that was a big problem in some earlier games and solves nothing since again, scum can easily claim VT and who the hell will know until the are killed.

Again, its 50 50 for me, which aint terrible odds, its more than just one statement from you that had me vote for you

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Also, saying lynching you gives no info, isn't true, look at the discussion that has been done, there is plenty of nuggets for further investigation within there.

[CYBER]

As I originally said, your statement means, most likely, you are either scum or VT. That is a 50/50 shot. I am glad you see what I am saying about BM, especially due to his reaction.

unvote I'll give you that for now, but I am going to need more than your attempt to teach us all a lesson, which you have to see would make a fantastic gambit for a scum player. I am more than happy to discuss BM if others are willing, but people are impatient.


Im not gonna lie, I will need to look back at those BM posts for now because I was somewhat preoccupied with observing who's playing the "Cyber Banter" card to avoid talking.
But yes, in PREVIOUS games, even the ones that I modded, BM's slip usually lies in the nature of suggestions he makes. He'll help town regardless of what side he's own, scum or town, but it's the suggestions themselves that give away a "i need to keep an eye on you Mr Helpful" moreso that him actually BEING Mr Helpful.
The only time he's been able to get away with that is when someone else's being EXTREMELY scummy and pitted against him, such as scribble in the last mafia game when he was hiding his bomb ability.
Which is why I'm not seconding nor denying anything about blackmage's posts in THIS game, because BM's alliance is easier to observe standalone, not when pitted against another wagon option, which happens to be me at the moment.


and last comment about the VT lynch thing.
VT death when there's no other option and no source of information possible FOR THE GREATER GOOD, such as when a vig or cop has a shot at taking out someone with extremely high probability at night (>50% chance) so that townies can snowball the game off that.
but this early in the game, it doesn't work, but that's my opinion alone at the moment.

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Also, saying lynching you gives no info, isn't true, look at the discussion that has been done, there is plenty of nuggets for further investigation within there.

THAT is correct. Yes. Which is why i'm riding this wagon out, for the better or the worse. But I just wanted to point out how i feel about it, from my personal point of view.

[What]

It seems like you said two different things about your death giving the town information.

[Blackmage]

Please, tell me what's wrong with stubbornly lynching once we've chosen someone? Which claim should we let live? The Miller should die because he's claiming scum. Claiming VT is the most simple claim for scum. If we don't, we also shrink the pool of targets for scum. The RB is a wildcard in any situation. He has as much chance to hurt the town as help it, N1. The SK doesn't really care about him for at least a little, and the mafia probably would rather hit the rest of the PRs, since they can more effectively shut down the mafia. Plus, the scum can fake a "Roleblocked" and potentially waste up to 2 lynches. Also, it again helps the scum find the useful 2 PRs. The Cop, after he's outted, is already in an interesting situation. He MIGHT survive the night, if both sets of scum decide the other one will hit him. Supposing he aims at someone who doesn't just DIE (Natural Action Resolution says he'd get no result) he STILL can harm the town if he finds the miller. Supposing he's actually the cop, pretty much our best result is both scum teams shooting him.

Or, are you just trying to put words in my mouth?

However, I love that calling What on his Freudian slip is "defensive". SAYING WORDS IS PROBLEMATIC! What, you just did the normal "BM is being BM" which just kind of happens, sort of like dogpiling Cyber. There's no need to defend myself when there's no accusation.

Side note, I'm firmly on the side of using ALL of the town's weapons, and support Vigs shooting every night they can.

[Rosie]

To my defense I have voted 3 different people since the start of the game. You just happen to give us all more when you post Cyber. It is always a good play. You say too much when you say. If it is right or wrong is regardless. A train on Cyber, means people talk = good for town!

[Blackmage]

Forgot this

Ass (Pass)
BM
Blade
CYBER (Scrib, Rosie, Ass, Zambi)
zambi
Pass (Trig)
Rosie
SCRIB (Stars)
Stars
Trig
What (BM)

No Votes: Blade, Cyber, What

[What]

Yeah, my Freudian slip, its not like my forum name is a common English word or anything. Terrible reasoning from a terrible player, well done.

[Blackmage]

...Reasoning? My, aren't you self important.


but its a nice attempt to put words into someone's mouth What.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I've honestly become so used to Town of Salem and not voting Day 1.

[Blackmage]

Blade: From my that usually happens because everyone's too busy dicking around though... Ohhhh.

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*my experience

[What]

...Reasoning? I'm clearly scum.


Look I can edit your quotes too! See evidence of things!

Your vote on me was a clear over reaction on your part, you can try to play it off as you were just being an idiot, but you can't cover your ass well. You have done more than enough to warrant close attention over the next days, but it seems like you are just eager to dig your grave as fast as possible.

[Blackmage]

...I used YOUR post where you claimed someone did what you just did. It's funny because you're a hypocrite. Sadly, jokes stop being as funny when you have to explain them. However, when you're talking to someone who seems to not speak English as his first language, sometimes it doesn't work.

[What]

You added a word to my post.....I used your post too, are you that stupid?

You fucked up, and the proof is you didn't follow your own plan. You just advocated again, sticking to the train and lynching since we can't trust anyone's claims. You had the chance to hammer Cyber, follow your own plan and let us bask in your genius, instead, you got uneasy when you realized you were not as clever as you hoped and you voted me. Talk about being a hypocrite BM you are the embodiment of that right now.

[Blackmage]

Are you really this stupid, or do you just do it for the lulz? My plan was we DECIDE someone to lynch. I did not say bloody wagon the first person to get some votes. Play the game like normal, but once we have a target show them no mercy. Once again, you're trying to put words in my mouth. Given you're so fond of this, why did you complain about Cyber doing it?

Also, the difference is I didn't change the message at all. I just called you a hypocrite. You just put words in my mouth... Which was actually the exact thing I was saying, so it just proves my point.

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[What]

My bad, by decide you meant talk and vote for someone......or what this game already is. Good work. You have essentially trapped yourself on day 1 completely unprovoked BM so really showing off the smarts. You can't say the problems I had with your plan was putting words in your mouth and then completely agree with that criticism later when its convenient. I said an unflinching railing of someone was terrible and had the potential to severly hurt the town, then you said we cant trust anyone's claim we have to just follow through. Now you are saying we shouldnt just follow through. You are just nitpicking with your use of the word decide since if 5 people vote for one person, looks like a decision has been made, or would you prefer a vote before the vote?

even with what you said there "i didnt change the message at all." Then seconds later, "I changed the name." Its like you can't help but put your foot in your mouth.

[Blackmage]

My bad, by decide you meant talk and vote for someone......or what this game already is. Good work.

Thanks. I try. However, that's not what I said. I just said skip the "give them a chance to defend themselves" phase for day 1.


You have essentially trapped yourself on day 1 completely unprovoked BM so really showing off the smarts.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.


You can't say the problems I had with your plan was putting words in your mouth and then completely agree with that criticism later when its convenient.

Good thing I didn't then.


I said an unflinching railing of someone was terrible and had the potential to severly hurt the town

That's relevant how? When did I say anything about "unflinching railing".


then you said we cant trust anyone's claim we have to just follow through.

Yes, that's my point.


Now you are saying we shouldnt just follow through.

This is you. This is my mouth. These are words. These are the words being shoved in my mouth by you. I never said that.


You are just nitpicking with your use of the word decide since if 5 people vote for one person, looks like a decision has been made, or would you prefer a vote before the vote?

Let's look at what I said.


Once we choose someone, we pretty much have to lynch them D1. With no protection, and pretty much every NK being janitored, a good bluff would screw us. However, step one is deciding who to go for. We'll probably hit town day one, but the vote will be at least half town no matter what. The town has a few weapons, we need to use them.

"Once we choose someone, we pretty much have to lynch them D1." You seem to have only read the part after the comma. However, I started by saying "once we choose someone", not once someone has votes. I know this is confusing, but bear with me. My point was, once we chose someone, there is no claim that can let them live.

"With no protection, and pretty much every NK being janitored, a good bluff would screw us." This is what I went into in more detail above. There is no claim that is safe to let live.

"However, step one is deciding who to go for." Oh look, I said DECIDE. Not "I'm going to vote for whomever gets the most votes."

"We'll probably hit town day one, but the vote will be at least half town no matter what." This is me saying there are risks, but town needs to decide. People deciding on their own rather than playing follow the leader means town had some REASON to vote for someone. Playing follow the leader only works if the leader is trustworthy. Which is why I didn't vote for Cyber. The only people who gave any reasons were Scribble, whose only contribution towards the game has been pushing Cyber, and you, who was pushing me while putting words in my mouth. The one mafia I brought up? It is a possibility. There were 3 factions, so removing a player from a faction ends with... get this... 3 different results, one of which is a single mafiaso. However, I brought the one mafiaso up in parenthesis, saying only if the mod is doing something rude. I'm also the one who brought up daytalk, which means I don't think it's one mafia. Basically, your reasons for suspecting me is something you decided I said, and something that I brought up to be thorough. Oh, and calling you on your Freudian slip. Which, you were oddly defensive about, come to think of it...

"The town has a few weapons, we need to use them." This is me pushing for the Vig to shoot and for us to not NL in case anyone brought that option up.


even with what you said there "i didnt change the message at all." Then seconds later, "I changed the name." Its like you can't help but put your foot in your mouth.

The MESSAGE. As in "you put words in my mouth". Not the exact words. I know, I know, English is hard.

[What]

Its like your the Donald Trump of Mafia, just deny, deny, deny like it never happened and I can't be the only one seeing this.

There fundamentally is a disconnect here, especiially when you keep denying having said things that you have. Maybe not in the exact same words, but the same thing none the less.

Who gets to make the decision in your plan? You alone? Do you have to agree with the decision to make it the decision? You are acting like you are the mayor of the town and get to be the "decider" of how things go, which is laughable. You are flailing like a mad man trying to cling to semantics. People had decided, Cyber was going to be lynched, even if it was out of boredom or poorly thought out. You "decided" to not follow your own plan because you got spooked and look at all the vacillating you have had to do to pretend that wasn't the case.

You decided to not follow your own plan = fact. You can play with words all you like, but reality doesn't lie.

I mean pretty much you have screwed yourself for no reason, which I can take great delight in. Please now argue with me about the definition of "is" and how "reality" is just subjective. Thats not suspicious at all.

[Blackmage]

5 people had decided. Which is not even half. Dunno if you can do math.

[CYBER]

my oh my ... so many words.
I must be a lucky charm to always start up conversations with wagons on me -.-

[What]

6 = lynch.... are you like being deliberately obtuse.

"We can't back down, we have to follow through......but only if I agree, yeah, thats what it was all along....."

I'm having a great time, keep digging that hole.

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my oh my ... so many words.
I must be a lucky charm to always start up conversations with wagons on me -.-


Well, BM shit his pants by mistake and now wants to write the next great american novel to explain why that smell was already there.

[Blackmage]

Ok what. Let's make this simple. Rather than waving your hands around trying to prove something is there, why not do the logical thing and quote it?

[What]

if Nem is rude to the mafia 1v1v9).

The easy one.

A terrible suggestion from someone well aware of the setup of this game as they have stated on multiple occasions.

[Blackmage]

I've played with bad mods like you before, so why would I rule out a possibility?

[What]

Once we choose someone, we pretty much have to lynch them D1. With no protection, and pretty much every NK being janitored, a good bluff would screw us. However, step one is deciding who to go for. We'll probably hit town day one, but the vote will be at least half town no matter what. The town has a few weapons, we need to use them.



This.

Once we choose someone - Cyber was clearly chosen, as said before, whether by boredom or poor planning.

We pretty much have to lynch them D1 - You did not want to do this. ie not following your own plan.

later in defense of me saying your plan was terrible you said . "Please, tell me what's wrong with stubbornly lynching once we've chosen someone? Which claim should we let live?" post126. Again, further hammering home that you deciding not vote Cyber was you not following your own plan.

Then - "My plan was we DECIDE someone to lynch. I did not say bloody wagon the first person to get some votes" - This is when you start playing with the language pretending you didn't choose to not follow your own plan. I mean you are basically arguing over the difference of Choose and Decide, and the wagon thing is pretty much the same as " stubbornly lynching once we've chosen someone."


Then - "5 people had decided. Which is not even half" post 140 Had we reached half, a lynch would have occurred as that is how these games work. And who could have been that person to put us over the half.........


You "decided" not to follow your own plan. I'm really not seeing how anyone else could not see this as well. The decision had been made, I could easily have said nothing about my suspicions of you and he would be dead, but I did, you went "oh shit!" and knee jerk voted, not realizing at the time it meant not following your own plan. Now you are scrambling and its hilarious. Nice bluff thinking I wouldnt bother getting the quotes.

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I've played with bad mods like you before, so why would I rule out a possibility?

Yep, keep swinging wild, some excuse is bound to convince people soon right?

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You realized you got caught, now you want to play with semantics and pretend it never happened. Cheerio

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Your plan was basically "We can't dick around and vote for a bunch of different people, we need to commit since not doing so would have terrible consequences"
This sounded like bullshit but ok, and then you decide to not follow through which by your own plan would mean you were making a terrible decision, which is why all of this is hilarious.

[Blackmage]

My plan was "once we decide on a person, we should pull the trigger". Not "once someone gets votes we should off him". Here's a fun fact: I didn't vote for you either.

Your problem seems to be that you think YOU deciding is the whole town. I am part of the town. I did not agree. In fact, the majority did not agree. Ergo, town did NOT decide. The town did not choose. It was a minority calling for the day to end. There was no consensus. This really isn't that hard, you just really wanted Cyber dead and now are trying for your second target. No semantics, just facts.

Also, the TOWN needs to decide. The reason I haven't taken my vote off of you, is because you're not town. However, there was no discussion on Cyber until you posted something. There was no "town deciding who to vote for" in any case. There was just "town deciding to end the day". One gives useful vote information. One gives a lot of "oops, but I didn't really care" if it's wrong, which, while scumtell, I doubt that all of them are scum.

Put simply, if town had decided, Cyber would be dead.

Also, you explaining what I said is, once again, putting words in someone else's mouth. You really are a lovely hypocrite, and not ashamed of it. Of the last 3 things of mine you've quoted, you've tried telling me what I said after I explained what I said twice.

[What]

As you say. unvote vote What

So this isn't a vote for me?


You are playing with semantics, I am not putting words in your mouth, I'm grounded in reality and you are vacillating pretending that you can create nuance where none exists. I accused you twice of pretending to be the one who gets to decide things for the town and now you are saying that I am doing that? How? I have not brought forth plans and argued that decisions can't be made without my consent, thats been all you. You can keep swinging, but I think its pretty clear if people read through, and I am more than willing to have them show you what they think.

I never said you had to vote for cyber, I said if you were consistent and followed your own plan you would have. The problems I had with it, which you said put words into your mouth, are teh same problems you highlighted later on with following the train. Go home BM, you're drunk.

[SCRIBBLE]

See, a train on cyber always reveals information. Though I'm not particularly excited
to read a two page argument between two people who could very well be teammates.

[StarsMine]

My plan was "once we decide on a person, we should pull the trigger". Not "once someone gets votes we should off him". Here's a fun fact: I didn't vote for you either.

Im confused, is 6 votes on a person, not town deciding to pull the trigger on someone? There is no logical difference in the two scenarios you posted.

Town essentially did decide until you backed out. Its Majority vote, not Unanamous.

[Blackmage]

Oh, you caught me. You're right. I didn't mean when back they were voting for you, OBVIOUSLY. Yup, guilty as charged.

Anyway, how is telling someone what they said NOT putting words in their mouth? What convoluted double think brings you to THAT interesting idea? Evidence A: (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13931-Mafia-Game-Donner-Party-2-Don-Harder?p=203795#post203795) I explained what I said. Evidence B: (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13931-Mafia-Game-Donner-Party-2-Don-Harder?p=203803#post203803) You are telling me what I REALLY said.


I accused you twice of pretending to be the one who gets to decide things for the town and now you are saying that I am doing that?

You're telling me that, because you have decided, I should have voted. Use all the semantics you like, but that's what you've been telling me. You're taking away my autonomy because you have decreed it, rather than allowing for what I want, which was and still is, having the town choose. And because this has gotten tiresome, if I HAD voted, I would have been deciding for the town too. If you really think following this damned if you do train of non-logic will get you somewhere, feel free.

Side note, WOW! YOU JUST NOTICED? Part of this conversation has been me pointing out that you are doing most of the things you are claiming others are doing. Having bad ideas, putting words in mouths, playing with semantics, being defensive, trying to be the leader.

Scribble: I get bored, then someone like Mikey or What say something stupid, and I get to write. No one else contributes because it's good camo, it becomes me Vs. Them, someone dies, often not one of the two of us, and the game goes on. In this case, What has been pushing so hard that I'm scum because of #logic or something that I'm convinced he's scum, because I don't really think he's THIS dumb, and either he IS scum and trying to deflect, or he honestly thinks I am scum. At this point, having both of us on the same team would probably be a bad thing, as I know I'm not letting up until one of us is dead, or the cop clears him.

If you want this not to happen next time, I can skip the game or run it :)

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Stars: We only had 5 votes for him. Where is the sixth person who decided to vote for him? 5 is less than half of 11, so is NOT a majority.

[SCRIBBLE]

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The game is over everyone, pack it up. Blackmage won it for us.

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I didn't realize bumptious was a role.

[What]

Im confused, is 6 votes on a person, not town deciding to pull the trigger on someone? There is no logical difference in the two scenarios you posted.

Town essentially did decide until you backed out. Its Majority vote, not Unanamous.


This BM so much this. This is what I have been saying. The sixth vote is the clinching vote, you are acting like you wouldn't make a decision until after the person had been lynched and at that point who cares? I mean how would a "decision" even be made in your plan? A general agreement to lynch someone looks a hell of a lot like a decision to me.

Look BM is a person with no votes on him, all I said was for people to keep an eye on him due to what he said this game and how past games have gone and he has lost his mind trying to defend himself.

[Trigger Unhappy]

3 of the 5 votes could be non town. I don't believe cyber is mafia (yet)and i refuse to keep lynching someone based on meta. It's too easy to lynch cyber.

[What]

It boils down to this. I pointed out BM's tell when he was playing mafia in past games, and how it looks like its going down that road again, so we need to keep an eye on him. He got spooked, and knee jerk voted for me not realizing that it was him just unprovoked digging himself a hole. It led to a number of rambling and self-contradictory posts in order to defend his genius and point out how he was doing nothing suspicious. He is arguing over semantics and not reality. The reason is that he can not do either of the two things he should have done in the first place.

A: Admit his plan was terrible as I pointed out, despite his continued defense of it.

B: Admit he did not follow his own plan.

While neither of those options may be enough to get him lynched, it sure as hell would cause someone to take a close look at him tonight or at the very least scrutinize him tomorrow. He must be worried that in either scenario he is unlikely to be cleared or be able to clear himself, hence the rambling and personal insults.

[Blackmage]

What, I see no explanation of how putting words in my mouth isn't putting words in my mouth. Just caught in your lie and trying to say things enough that people might think it's true?

Scribble, I missed me winning anything, what did I let slip that will help? Also, bumptious isn't a role. It's half of Ibis. The other half just hides.

[What]

BM when you are arguing over what "decide" means, refuse to acknowledge that a decision's threshold can't be after a lynch occurs, and to argue for a "Stubborn" train yet refuse to continue a train according to your plan, its not putting words in your mouth, its you flailing around. Trust me, the only thing I want to put in your mouth is my tongue after a candle lit dinner and all appropriate consent has been given.

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Your tigger blackmage, is your inability to acknowledge, that maybe, just maybe your thoughts and ideas are not infallible works of art, and your inherent need to defend that illusion led you down this path.

[Blackmage]

Why can't the threshold be after? ELI5.

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[What]

Why can't the threshold be after? ELI5.

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Related: Who decides what the threshold is.


The mechanics of the game decide the threshold, are you being serious right now? This is still mafia right?

[Blackmage]

I don't know, you tell me. You say a decision does not need a consensus of any sort, so I'm can't be certain what you believe.

[What]

You saying that you aren't following a decision until someone gets at least 6 votes is what is laughable since at that point they are already lynched, there is no decision to follow. I don't understand how a person could not possible see that.

[Assassin]

Why can't the threshold be after? ELI5.

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Your mother, sorry had to.

[What]

I don't know, you tell me. You say a decision does not need a consensus of any sort, so I'm can't be certain what you believe.

Of course there needs to be a consensus, you realize what voting is and how that works in these games right? Please lets argue over definitions more that's riveting stuff.

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My objections to you are becoming clearer and clearer with these posts, mostly because they are not buried in an essay. How can you not see how your refusal to accept a decision until at least 6 votes are on someone makes literally no sense at all.

[Trigger Unhappy]

While these two continue this discussion does anyone else want to start a train? at this point we could all do a 1-11 dice roll and see who gets the most votes since we would get as much value out of that as this argument over the word "decision".

[Assassin]

I think we are all on the cyber yolo train still because it's tradition! Zambi is a brain eater though, so if we want to start a new train, I'd be ok with that.

[Blackmage]

What, here's a problem you have, you think I said I'd vote for a partial consensus. I said we need to decide. I voted AGAINST that, which is my prerogative. Ergo, we did NOT decide, because there was NOT a consensus. Which part is too hard to understand?

Ass: I asked her, she looked at me confused. You're not helpful :(

Trig: Not trying to get useful information. Just trying to make sure What looks like a fool when I come out town-sided :) If more people wanted to participate, we could get this day done.

[What]

What, here's a problem you have, you think I said I'd vote for a partial consensus. I said we need to decide. I voted AGAINST that, which is my prerogative. Ergo, we did NOT decide, because there was NOT a consensus. Which part is too hard to understand?


But that means you did not follow your own plan! Jesus Mother Trucking Chriz-ist. Just admit you didn't follow your own plan, could arguing over semantics since no one can possible think that is a good argument. "We need to decide" What in the fuck does that mean for you? It can't possibly mean once someone gets 6 votes since then they are already lynched at that point, which would mean your entire plan was a ploy to ensure you didn't have to vote for anyone. You didn't answer my point, you can't answer my point on the threshold since it proves nearly everything I have been saying about you. Good lord it can't be any clearer than that.

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[Blackmage]

You do not understand my plan. You are trying to put words in my mouth rather than admit that you're wrong. I will admit all of that.

[What]

You do not understand my plan. You are trying to put words in my mouth rather than admit that you're wrong. I will admit all of that.

Please explain your plan, quit telling me I don't understand it and explain its mechanics. What is the threshold for you? Answer these things without resorting to parsing apart definitions and it may make sense, but so far, you have been laughably burying yourself with your own words.

[Blackmage]

When we choose someone, there is no claim that we can let live. You know, what I said in the first two sentences of the first post in response to you here. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13931-Mafia-Game-Donner-Party-2-Don-Harder?p=203780#post203780)

[What]

And how was Cyber not chosen? Tell me your threshold and stop avoiding the question.

Also, from your initial post, the problem with letting someone live is the same as allowing multiple trains, something you yourself did.

[CYBER]

you're both idiots. but committed idiots.
so I'm chalking both of you off my shit list for the time being.

Vote trigger.

Something rubbed me the wrong way about something.

[Blackmage]

*Sigh* My plan was not about how to come to a decision. It was about what to do AFTER we had.

[SCRIBBLE]

So much filler.

[StarsMine]

After the decision is made we go into night. What do you mean what we do after.

[What]

*Sigh* My plan was not about how to come to a decision. It was about what to do AFTER we had.

No shit Sherlock and my whole point was that a decision had been reached. Otherwise your plan boils down to " After the lynch we shouldn't change the vote" which appears to be what you are saying. Third time asking, what is the threshold for your plan indicating a decision has been made? Surely you must have some metric by which you can look and go, yes a decision has been reached.

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After the decision is made we go into night. What do you mean what we do after.

This.

[Blackmage]

Having a discussion, talking about who to vote for and why. Convincing people. I have no intention of taking my vote off What, but if someone can tell me why someone else is a better choice, I will choose to vote for them. Random votes are not convincing to me at least.

[What]

Having a discussion, talking about who to vote for and why. Convincing people. I have no intention of taking my vote off What, but if someone can tell me why someone else is a better choice, I will choose to vote for them. Random votes are not convincing to me at least.

You literally just described what this game is, and what had occurred. You don't have to agree with it, no one is making you, but it DOES mean you did not follow your own shitty, shitty plan.

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Also, What is your threshold for consensus? Fourth time asking.

[Blackmage]

If you're too ignorant to know what number comes after five, god help us all.

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I think I just figured it out, the piece you're missing! In this mode, when you choose someone D1, there's no reason not to just hammer them. In a normal game, unless you're bad, you should give them a chance to speak their piece, so you don't hammer a useful role D1. I forgot who I was having a discussion with.

[What]

Black, there are 11 people playing. 6 is a lynch. If that this your threshold it means that you don't agree with a decision being reached until it has already been reached which makes no fucking sense. Stop acting condescending and realize how stupid your plan is sounding.

Also, I'm dealing with a car insurance dispute right now so im gonna be off for a few hours.

[Blackmage]

If I'm one of the 6, I'll vote. If I'm not, I won't. How hard is that to understand?

[I'm a zambi]

you're both idiots. but committed idiots.
so I'm chalking both of you off my shit list for the time being.

Vote trigger.

Something rubbed me the wrong way about something.
Careful with that. I got the same feeling in the last game but Trig was just being awful.

[Passarelli]

unvote
vote BM

I still don't like assassin, but I feel lynching BM could give some useful information. I'm also tired of this epeen contest.

Shit reminds me of Mikey.

[SCRIBBLE]

unvote

[What]

If I'm one of the 6, I'll vote. If I'm not, I won't. How hard is that to understand?

This is just, wow. I don't know what to say. So you had no plan and/or weren't following your own plan. Again it keeps coming back.

[Blackmage]

Yes, we've determined you don't understand what my plan is. Ready to let it go?

[SCRIBBLE]

vote bm

[StarsMine]

unvotevote bm

we understand your plan, you dont understand your plan.

[Blackmage]

unvotevote bm

we understand your plan, you dont understand your plan.

...Can't tell if actually dumb, or just trying to have an excuse to vote.

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Side note, not complaining about the vote. Like I said, this will vindicate me, and if it's what the town decides, is actually following my plan. I'm against this vote too, just to make my own stance clear.

[Assassin]

unvote

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vote bmlet's go this going with already

[What]

So since it does follow your plan, that means you will vote?

Vote BM

[Blackmage]

If I'm one of the 6, I'll vote. If I'm not, I won't. How hard is that to understand?

[Rosie]

Unvote

Wanna say anything to stop the train BM?

[CYBER]

So since it does follow your plan, that means you will vote?

Vote BM
let bm put in a final word regarding his opinion on who's probably scum or his last thoughts before we lynch him, i'll hammer if it comes down to it.

You need to be seperated like asap. even tho I removed both of u off my shitlist, this circular conflict's more hindering than anything else at the moment, and lynching blackmage will give us some info to start on.

If you do not like this reasoning people, then hop back on the cyber train, i'll chouchou this motherfucking lynch all day long if i have to.

[Rosie]

Vote Zambi

The more I think about it, the more I talk myself into Nem making Zambi a cannibal. It just fits.
9953

[Blackmage]

Cyber: I'd rather someone else was chosen, but I'm going to follow my plan. There really is nothing that should be able to get someone out of this position. Someone must die, and if town thinks my death would help figure things out, go for it.

[StarsMine]

So pretty much we have two players right now, BM and Cyber, who regardless of their role, be that Town or mafia, are harmful to town. And little else to go off of.

God damn.
Be useful you shits.

[Blackmage]

We also have Scrib who has done nothing but push Cyber. People who vote for reasons such as YOLO. We don't really have any stellar members.

[CYBER]

So pretty much we have two players right now, BM and Cyber, who regardless of their role, be that Town or mafia, are harmful to town. And little else to go off of.

God damn.
Be useful you shits.


i'm keeping note of this for later.
You'll see when the time comes.
But so far, you've provided nothing to the game except the cyber101 banter day 1 and calling 2 ppl harmful for town very falsely while providing nothing from your end except sitting down and watching the show from the sidelines.

So i'll just keep a mental note of that, because that's something i've seen before.

[Blackmage]

Cyber: before saying "you'll see later" remember, up to 3 people die at night, and people love you too.

[StarsMine]

Uh oh, looks like I got in trouble for saying the same thing scribble did.

[Passarelli]

With 2-3 people slated to die, the dietician smart enough not to out himself, and what was said today, I feel decent about town's chances in day 2.

[What]

Vote Zambi

The more I think about it, the more I talk myself into Nem making Zambi a cannibal. It just fits.
9953

I know I've said this to you before, but Mafia is not an RPG. That, and I'm not even certain Nemesis knows who Zambi is outside of these games.

[I'm a zambi]

Vote Zambi

The more I think about it, the more I talk myself into Nem making Zambi a cannibal. It just fits.
9953

People who vote for reasons such as YOLO.
(ง^ヮ^)ง

[Assassin]

any day now people...I mean seriously....

[What]

Dear God can the lurkers at least say or do something?

[BladeTwinSwords]

The only thing I have seen is a massive pissing contest. TBH, I think both you and Blackmage are town.

[I'm a zambi]

Meh, votecount?

[What]

The only thing I have seen is a massive pissing contest. TBH, I think both you and Blackmage are town.

So what do you want to discuss. I wouldn't mind hearing more from Rosie about what's going on there. This would be the second person then on Day one, 1 vote from a lynch that we moved on from. Until something definitive happens we won't have any solid information, I don't see how that will change if we move on to another and another, etc. We can keep discussing, knowing that scum is going to lie and we won't have anything more than that until a lynch occurs and night happens.

[Assassin]

and giving possible time for slip ups of town in the process.

[Blackmage]

Ass
BM (Pass, Scrib, Stars, Ass, What)
Blade
CYBER (Zambi)
zambi (Rosie)
Pass (Trig)
Rosie
SCRIB
Stars
Trig (Cyber)
What (BM)

No Votes: Blade

Ass: While you're correct, town isn't the only side that can slip up.

[Assassin]

Ass
BM (Pass, Scrib, Stars, Ass, What)
Blade
CYBER (Zambi)
zambi (Rosie)
Pass (Trig)
Rosie
SCRIB
Stars
Trig (Cyber)
What (BM)

No Votes: Blade

Ass: While you're correct, town isn't the only side that can slip up.

True, going by the numbers though, we have a greater chance of slipping up than they do.

[Blackmage]

Well, if no one participates, no one will slip up, so there is that...

However, looking at the people not voting for me: Blade says he thinks I'm town. Rosie is meta-ing the roles not being totally random. Cyber is pointing at other people and after getting my response, didn't hammer me, though he didn't say why. Trig hasn't posted since the train. He actually hasn't been logged into the forums in over 24 hours now. Zambi has just stuck with his yolo vote. Is that about right? So, we'll see about Trig, and the rest can add their input.

[Rosie]

My vote wasn't a YOLO vote. Everyone I have voted for has been active enough to respond, and I also get the What and BM are both town feel. The Cyber train died, and if BM isn't scum I have a built in next train waiting.

And to those of you who do not think that Nem sits around and watches the Walking Dead while diddling himself....Just don't know Nem. As a mod of a cannibal game he has to know that the player named after a undead cannibal is a great choice. You should just name yourself Rugby team in the Andes.

[CYBER]

The only thing I have seen is a massive pissing contest. TBH, I think both you and Blackmage are town.


this.

either u 2 kiss and make up while we keep an eye on the likes of trig, zambi, and ESPECIALLY stars.
otherwise BM would be lynched by now.

Otherwise so help me god i'll take one of you out, with a lynch wagon just because your silly circular arguments will be too distracting and hindering for town.

[StarsMine]

Such salt from cyber. Most Effective Tactic Available has always be weary of those who do not seem useful to town.

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again Scribble said the same exact thing, hell thats WHY he voted for you.

[CYBER]

Such salt from cyber. Most Effective Tactic Available has always be weary of those who do not seem useful to town.

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again Scribble said the same exact thing, hell thats WHY he voted for you.


please, it's not salt. My willing to wagon you is 100% based on your interactions so far, and the lack-there-of of providing ANYTHING useful.

i've yet to hear ANYTHING from you other than "cyber's useless to town blah blah" and basically always leeching off what scribble's saying.
you THINK i'm useless for town? good for you, but so far your wagon is my most anticipated wagon to vote on since your posts are increasingly scummy the more you talk, which is amazing considering all you do is bash on players with "X is useless" for no reason other than to fill your posting quota of the day, while being even more useless at this rate.

THAT's why i'm FOSing you because scum loves nothing more than watching town discussion drown in flame wars, and your entire gameplay so far was fueling said flame.

unvote zambi for now,
Vote Stars.

I'm starting this shit off.

[StarsMine]

you relize this is day one where no one has useful information right?

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And I never called you and BM useless, I said your harmful, regardless of your role in the game. Distinction right there. Your playstyle hurts more then it helps, and I am waiting for the day when you finally change it up so we dont just sit there and see you as the potential mislynch that hurts town the least.

I thought the scribble vote on you was premature honestly, now I dont really care.

[Blackmage]

Fun fact: Cyber didn't say you called both of use useless. Just him, who you did :)


Vote Scribble
Bit early to vote out the most useless member isnt it?

[Nemesis]

unvote zambi for now,
Vote Stars.

I'm starting this shit off.

This is an incorrect vote and is not to be counted.

[What]

This is an incorrect vote and is not to be counted.

On that note, can you give us an official vote count?

[Nemesis]

On that note, can you give us an official vote count?

all the other votes, yes.

That one, no.

[Trigger Unhappy]

Careful with that. I got the same feeling in the last game but Trig was just being awful.

Lol. I can't even disagree with this. That was my worst game ever. I was super distracted with life.

Thank you for voting Cyber. At least we can get input from players and get more information to the other members of town.

Unvote

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vote scribble

[What]

So at this point, I would be comfortable with voting:

BM - Everything mentioned above; duplicity, arrogance, and general wrongness.

Rosie - At best he is using pure Meta, at worst he just wants Zambi dead for lols, either way completely in-actionable to go off of.

Cyber - Willingness to die, again indicates he must either be a VT or bluffing hoping for a payoff, which appears to have happened if he is scum.

Trigger - seems to just pop in once every couple days and vote for someone else.

That's all I have for now, others have of course done some things to raise eyebrows, but these seem like the most logical set so far.

[Assassin]

At this point I'm honestly starting to lose care. This day is, and as it always has, drags on forever. Night 1 starts would be so much quicker in games such as this (although I do see the problem of someone or multiple people dying the first night, no palying..blah blah blah).

[Passarelli]

People need to stop being pussies and vote. This is a game. You win some and you lose some. If someone is not comfortable hammering, let me know. I'll unvote then vote again to hammer.

If you don't want to vote BM, I'd be willing to look at Stars, Rosie, Zambi, Trigger, or What. What however is the person I feel has been most useful so he will likely die or be investigated today into tomorrow, so I feel that'd be a bit of a waste.

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Really, I'd vote for just about anyone at this point. Tired of day 1.

[Blackmage]

(This post has nothing really pertinent to the current game, skip if you want)

Ass: You are talking about "forever" after barely a week, when many mafia games not on Ibis run each day for 2 weeks. That was Tom's initial deadline length, too. From where I'm sitting, the problem isn't so much the length of the day, rather, the lack of variety. We have no new blood, and we've played these talks out many times. We have hugely disparate thought processes, and most of us will accept no middle grounds. Look at how the start of the day went. Basically nothing happens, then Cyber almost gets lynched because people are bored. Too many people are convinced they know what the others are thinking and doing, so people don't want to say anything so they don't get "caught". We've also got used to people. Look at Scribble. He has said nothing, but, hey, it's scribble, he does that. Look at me. I argue with What, almost get lynched, but hey, I do that. Rosie's still trying to figure things out. Cyber gets pounded on for being Cyber. People are just not AFK enough to prove they're there. People complain about What and my rambling being pointless filler when most of the thread has been pointless filler. What that I just said is a surprise? What doesn't happen when the players mentioned are involved? This is a problem with playing a forum game in a community that isn't growing much with such a small group of people.

Other options than N0 Start include Blitz game (24-48 hour days) or just playing Town of Salem or Epic Mafia as a group. While N0 start has a higher chance of starting well, it can be just as slow. Blade ran a N0 start bastard game that had a week deadline, and hit that deadline.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I may start resuming the blitz games just to keep things going.

[Rosie]

Your statement would be true if there were not an infinite # of interactions per each player. My admission to this game has changed the character interactions infinitely. The trouble is that unless someone does something stupid there is no info on day 1. And people in this community tend not to interact unless prodded.

My vote for Zambi has just as much merit because it is my gut feeling. That's all anyone is doing day 1. You may hide it behind your own reasoning about the logic in the posts, but unless someone screws up all that self logic is just a guess.

If I was going off of my own self logic. I would say that Scribble hasn't truly added anything of merit. He pointed out that BM and What may be teammates, and then possibly soft claimed scum by referring to "Us" in the bumptious post. Other than that he has met the quota to not be AFK. Just saying. So if it will make people happier.

Unvote

Vote Scrib

I hope Zambi eats your soul, just or the told you so moment.

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"Your" meaning BM in the beginning.

[SCRIBBLE]

I haven't soft nor hard claimed. The bumptious post was directly referring to bm. In fact, I haven't said much of anything and I don't plan to.

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I haven't been afk at all, I simply have nothing to say.

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Someone start another game.

Also, I voted bm... I have had nothing to say since.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Can do Scribble!

[BladeTwinSwords]

You know what, fuck it...

Vote Blackmage

This game is going literally no where and I want something to fucking HAPPEN!

[Nemesis]

Yay Lynch, give me a sec here. Everyone shut up

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The night was dark, and full of stupid fucking cunts. Also it was day.

Blackmage, who apparently had a stroke or something, was speaking in tongues. That was ended quickly by...just about everyone. But not quite a majority, since Blackmage didn't vote in it, or something. I don't know I wasn't really paying attention.

Blackmage, The Tasty VT has been lynched


Night 1 Begins

Send your actions, day two starts Monday morning at the latest.

[Blackmage]

I don't know I wasn't really paying attention.

That's for sure. Anyway, good luck town.

[Rosie]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[BladeTwinSwords]

Penis

[Nemesis]

Get your actions in, cunts

[SCRIBBLE]

Monday morning at the latest.

[Nemesis]

When you cunts wake up in the morning,

Passarelli is missing

and

Assassin is missing

Try not to cry too much about no night flavour or game set up. Oh wait, Assassin is gone, the whiny bitch factor went down ten fold.

Day 2 Begins

[StarsMine]

What, did we get raided by Indians? Some sort of Busdriver?

[Rosie]

Vote Scrib

Until he gives a reason not to.

[SCRIBBLE]

Reason.

There you go.

[I'm a zambi]

Reason.

There you go.
:lmao:

[What]

So Rosie got off of his Zambi kick, meaning its either mostly random on Scrib, or he has reason to believe he is a likely candidate.

Also, only 2 deaths, meaning, either vig did not attack, two people attacked the same target, or someone got roleblocked.

[StarsMine]

Im not sure that flavor indicates 2 deaths, or any deaths.

[What]

Im not sure that flavor indicates 2 deaths, or any deaths.

Stars, read the setup, its how the cannibals function, they kill and the person's alignment is hidden since they have taken the body, hence the missing part.

[I'm a zambi]

So Rosie got off of his Zambi kick, meaning its either mostly random on Scrib, or he has reason to believe he is a likely candidate.

Also, only 2 deaths, meaning, either vig did not attack, two people attacked the same target, or someone got roleblocked.
I would venture a guess that vig didn't kill, considering the likelihood of hitting town and the fact that a we would need both a role-blocker AND that they would need to role-block the killer or vig.

My assumption would be that either the vig no-killed or that the vig was killed last night, which would prevent their kill from going through anyway. Although you could be right about someone hitting the same target. It's unlikely but it is possible.

I guess that's just restating what you already said though ... meh.

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Stars, read the setup, its how the cannibals function, they kill and the person's alignment is hidden since they have taken the body, hence the missing part.
Yeah, that's what happened in Donner 1 as well. Missing = dead, unless Nem added some kind of twist, which I very much doubt.

[StarsMine]

So then should we assume Vig did not kill since Vig is not a cannibal, at least I wouldn't think so. The only reason the person is missing is because they got eaten. A vig kill should still leave a body

[What]

So then should we assume Vig did not kill since Vig is not a cannibal, at least I wouldn't think so. The only reason the person is missing is because they got eaten. A vig kill should still leave a body

The vig is a cannibal...... PLEASE READ THE SETTUP

[StarsMine]

Werent we going to go for what if BM turned out innocent? Or something along those lines?

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where is the set up on the first post? I dont see one.

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ah alright, I see blade posted the base one, so yea vig is a cannible, my appologies.