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Hitman
06-08-2008, 04:21 PM
I have finally decided to get rid of this dinosaur PC that I have.

Things the computer must be able to do.

Extreme Graphics for games
Excellent Graphics for watching movies and anime (not anime porn)

I saw a cool computer at a local Bestbuy today and was ready to buy it but because of the price, I kinda went the other way
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8782169&productCategoryId=abcat0501003&type=product&tab=2&id=1204924952496#productdetail
Is the one I saw ^^

Anyone want to help? Not looking to spend a billion bucks on one lol

D-Monic
06-08-2008, 06:58 PM
if you can put one together it would be cheaper

$100 case
$150 mobo
$200 processor
$100 memory
$200 gpu

$750-$800 should have you a great pc just an estimation tho

whats the stat on your pc now?

ZERO
06-08-2008, 07:08 PM
Right now is a great time to not get screwed by getting a new computer for gaming, by not buying one.

Thats right for a limited time you can not fuck your self over by wasting money when both Nvidia and Ati are about to release their next gen specs(thus driving down prices)!

But wait their is more! If you want your system to have an extended lifetime and be able to upgrade you will want to bite the bullet on DDR3. Thats right, its sad but to be worth it your going to want ddr3 support or else your going to need a new motherboard down the road. Why sad, well DDR3 chips are still crazy expensive and will not be "affordable" for another 9-12 months...

Technologically the best time to buy is sometime this fall after Nvidia releases the GT200 core. :smirk:

-=NYS=- C.O.
06-08-2008, 07:18 PM
if you can put one together it would be cheaper

$100 case
$150 mobo
$200 processor
$100 memory
$200 gpu

$750-$800 should have you a great pc just an estimation tho

whats the stat on your pc now?

A 200 dollar processor ? Yuck !

Dual
06-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Right now is a great time to not get screwed by getting a new computer for gaming, by not buying one.

Thats right for a limited time you can not fuck your self over by wasting money when both Nvidia and Ati are about to release their next gen specs(thus driving down prices)!

But wait their is more! If you want your system to have an extended lifetime and be able to upgrade you will want to bite the bullet on DDR3. Thats right, its sad but to be worth it your going to want ddr3 support or else your going to need a new motherboard down the road. Why sad, well DDR3 chips are still crazy expensive and will not be "affordable" for another 9-12 months...

Technologically the best time to buy is sometime this fall after Nvidia releases the GT200 core. :smirk:


yes the ddr3 memory was very expensive for my 790i evga mobo.

Dual
06-08-2008, 07:36 PM
Go to new egg with the same exact money you gonna spend I guarntee you will build a better pc.

-=NYS=- C.O.
06-08-2008, 07:40 PM
yes the ddr3 memory was very expensive for my 790i evga mobo.

SUCKER !!!!!!!

ZERO
06-08-2008, 07:44 PM
There are 3 possible designs for a system to archive ideal Value:

Disposable system: These are the cheapest you can get at the time. They can play the games and meet your present demands. But that is there limitation. Anything that is invented tomorrow will have you instantly yourning for a new system.

Pros: Cheapest solution, will play all your current games and run your current software.

Cons: Ultimately it is like having a disposable camera you use it and buy another one. Because most of the parts were really cheep it is not entirely stable and may have some problems. Regardless it will work and be better than what you had before. Unfortunately most of the hardware is on it's way out the door and it will not be long before it is unsupported. Also to keep up with new software you will need to replace it probably around 2010 with the release of windows 10. What you think it can run that? Give it a try and kiss you gaming days good buy...

Modular System: This is a system that can be upgraded overtime to produce adequate power. To do this an initial investment and loss must be made on the first system in order to achieve upgradeability.

Pros: Your initial investment will last you a long time, if done correctly you will still be using some of your parts after even 10 years. You generally only need to replace one part at a time. This spreads out the cost of the computer over many years. Instead of replacing a bunch of parts only one or two need to be changed at a time. This system can also grow as your needs do.
Cons: It has a heavy initial investment just to gain the ability to make it upgradeable. As a result the first one you make will not be too much better than a disposable but will cost a bit more. If you misjudged the future you could lose out and end up with something that can not be upgraded. Generally requires a full tower case to be safe as there is no telling how much space you will need for parts in the future.

Super System: This is in essence a supercomputer. It is built to be over clocked and to preform at levels required for applications that will not exist for years to come. These systems can still be used even a decade after there initial construction. They are also the most expensive and there is a limited number of ways to build them. Construction is very complex and requires not only precise market timing but also a grand amount of knowledge when it comes to construction. Built out of sometimes questionable technology it may sometimes become instable as a result of being pushed too far. If you want a computer that will not be invented for years to come now this is the system for you!

Pros: Unsurpassed speed, record breaking performance. It is like having a prototype super car that also flies. It takes on todays most demanding software as if it was playing pong. It plays HL3 as it's screen saver, just to rofl at the lower systems that are blowing their nuts off just trying to load it. Lucky it's parts can be salvaged years down the road to lower costs of future projects. When it is too old it's parts can generally be put into a few other computers to provide more basic functionality. You will no longer be needing to turn on the heat in the winter! Some cooling output ducts may provide good marshmallow roasting locations, and or hot coffee/coco

Cons: If built at the wrong time they will completely fail. It will cost insane amounts of money and is very very complex to build. Experimental cooling systems can kill: you, the computer, your cat, your neighbors cat, your son, the sun and in rare cases destabilize the fabric of time space. They usually require huge amounts of power and thus monthly cost. They are big, very big and a large part of the budget goes just to cool them down. They are also heavy and require multiple people to move. Some systems may require a special suite to handle in case of a liquid N2 spill. If you do not know what you are doing you may blow out your chips. Usually require that the humidity of the room does not exceed X value, thus requiring a dehumidifier. Sometimes require timers to start, so you will want to engage the boot sequence at least 10-15min before you need to use it, or leave it running(if you can afford it). Although they can cool themselves you and your structure may not.(hope you have a good ac and proper ventilation) They also can be loud, if you do not enjoy the decks of aircraft carriers then this is a con, if you do than please visualize this statement in the pro section. The computer might be able to time travel, this is a con because in the future there is a good chance that this computer could be banned for blowing up the earth/killing polar bears. If you travel back finding an AC outlet with enough current may become challenging and you will be hard pressed to leave.

Dual
06-08-2008, 07:47 PM
I Want a pc that can make beautiful chicks that can do what I want them to do, Weird sciencE!

ratman
06-08-2008, 07:48 PM
I saw a cool computer at a local Bestbuy today and was ready to buy it but because of the price, I kinda went the other way
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8782169&productCategoryId=abcat0501003&type=product&tab=2&id=1204924952496#productdetail
Is the one I saw ^^


You could build a much better computer for less money. Zero has a good point about waiting. But if you wanna upgrade now get a 790i mb like dual has w/ ddr3 mem (and get at least 4 if ur gonna run vista). The Nvidia 9800 GTX is a pretty good and moderately priced graphics card.

And yea buy at newegg. It's the shit. :wtg:

ratman
06-08-2008, 07:50 PM
780i is a good motherboard too if u want to save money w/ ddr2 mem

ZERO
06-08-2008, 08:14 PM
I hope you meant 4gb not 4 chips...

DDR configs run best at 2 chips no more and no less.

Rombus runs best with 4 and can not run with less than 2, and I am probably the only one here that actually has it.

Hitman
06-08-2008, 08:14 PM
Well this computer can still last me probably another year or so but Ill wait like Zero says. then while yall are playing on your old ocmps ill be playing on a brand freaking new pwning comp :) bwahahaha

ratman
06-08-2008, 08:25 PM
I hope you meant 4gb not 4 chips...

DDR configs run best at 2 chips no more and no less.

Rombus runs best with 4 and can not run with less than 2, and I am probably the only one here that actually has it.

Oops yea def meant 4gb not 4 chips

D-Monic
06-08-2008, 09:12 PM
A 200 dollar processor ? Yuck !

estimation? :icon_mrgreen:

Walter
06-08-2008, 10:41 PM
Technologically the best time to buy is sometime this fall after Nvidia releases the GT200 core. :smirk:

You could buy a card from eVGA or BFG now and step up to one of Nvidia's new cards.


A 200 dollar processor ? Yuck !

The Q6600 and the E8400 are both roughly 200 dollars and they're both good.

I also recommend to stay away from Best Buy since you could most likely build one yourself for a much better value.

ZERO
06-08-2008, 11:10 PM
Actually you would want the 8500, it can be OCed to 4.7 with only air cooling and a decent m/b with relatively low oc settings :wtg:

ZERO
06-08-2008, 11:12 PM
I do know that the gt200 spec is supposed to be > 9800gt in sli

also it will probably be the first duel core gpu...

JigSaW
06-08-2008, 11:26 PM
Don't buy the 9800's....either wait like ZERO said(Best solution) or buy a 8800 GT. (Very cheap but very powerful)

D-Monic
06-09-2008, 11:24 AM
Don't buy the 9800's....either wait like ZERO said(Best solution) or buy a 8800 GT. (Very cheap but very powerful)

:banghead:i do miss my 8800gt so bad

what do you think the price tag on the GT200 is gonna be? $600?

ManBearPig <ibis>
06-11-2008, 12:03 PM
The only thing im worried about for my computer right now is if it can run Starcraft 2. If it cant than it will be the first game i have every tried that hasn't been able to run.

Walter
06-11-2008, 01:33 PM
The only thing im worried about for my computer right now is if it can run Starcraft 2. If it cant than it will be the first game i have every tried that hasn't been able to run.

Do you know your PC's specs?

You'll most likely be able to run it at least as long as you can play modern games.

ManBearPig <ibis>
06-11-2008, 08:18 PM
How do i check what they are?

My computer can run crysis on medium and all other games on high (Mass effect, Assassin's creed, Bioshock, Ext.).

D-Monic
06-11-2008, 09:59 PM
How do i check what they are?


run dxdiag

but you should be fine if you r running games that good, maybe chug on the zerg rushs lol:pistols:

Walter
06-11-2008, 10:15 PM
I believe Starcraft 2 will be less demanding than Crysis is, so you should be fine.

ZERO
06-11-2008, 11:03 PM
The high end would be like $634, I know that it is like $119 just to make the GPU core. :smirk:

Also about SCII maybe you missed my topic...
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119

D-Monic
06-12-2008, 08:54 AM
cool cool so not far from what i thought....now to wait:banghead:

ManBearPig <ibis>
06-12-2008, 12:06 PM
I saw your topic, but it didn't help me because i didn't know my system specs.

Steamer
06-14-2008, 04:05 PM
If you can play MassEffect and other high and Crysis on full medium I'm pretty darn sure you'll be fine for Starcraft 2. Atm the only game I cant play full blast is Cyrsis. The one 8800 GTS wont do it. Then again tripple 9800 GTX's cant either. xD

ZERO
06-14-2008, 09:43 PM
you do realize that the 9800s are slower than the top end 8800s....

Dual
06-14-2008, 09:45 PM
maybe the 9800 gtx not quad sli 9800 gx2.

ZERO
06-14-2008, 09:49 PM
just 2sli gx2 should do it. dam i did not know they had the gx2 out for the 9s yet.

Also if the game is not set to take advantage of it sli will not have a huge advantage, also motherboard play a VERY big role especially if your on 1.0 or 2.0 PCIE or on 1/2 or full bandwidth sli. Crysis strikes me as more of a memory intensive game thus I would place most peoples bottleneck on there ram and m/b especially if they already have the top 1% performance gpu.

Dual
06-14-2008, 09:52 PM
The 790i mobo, is 2.0 PCIE ready.I have the evga one, its one of the few mobo that can run the 9800 gx2 in quad sli.

ManBearPig <ibis>
06-15-2008, 12:36 AM
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.49GHz(2 CPUs)
Memory: 2048MB Ram
DirectX 9.0c
Radeon X1650 Series
Monitor: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)


Is that all? I thought there was more.

ZERO
06-15-2008, 01:17 AM
well you only need to be able to get 30fps so you should be fine

Steamer
06-15-2008, 06:08 AM
I've seen the benchs for the 9800 top ends, they seem to be hit and miss compared to the 8800 ones. There basically the same exact card. Some games a couple frames faster some games a bit slower.

As for the 9800GX2, they cant even run it full blast in directx10 with fall AI, ect... Tryed and Failed. I dont know whats up with the game.

In just about most benches it falls 1 frame below the 3870X2 ATI.

ZERO
06-15-2008, 01:40 PM
This is because the 9series brings no real change to the 8 in fact they are merely an extension of the 8 and are 9s in name only.

Steamer
06-22-2008, 01:27 AM
Oh, and the 9800 gx2's were out even before the 9800 gtx, ect. Its basically the same as the 8800 GTS, even more so than the lower end 9800's. Cant wait to see the nextgen cards performance. The 9 series was a joke, hopefully it brings more than -1/1% performance lol.

Dual
06-22-2008, 07:19 AM
Oh, and the 9800 gx2's were out even before the 9800 gtx, ect. Its basically the same as the 8800 GTS, even more so than the lower end 9800's. Cant wait to see the nextgen cards performance. The 9 series was a joke, hopefully it brings more than -1/1% performance lol.

Once again please know what your talking about ,before posting about 2 difference cards, the 9800 gx2 and the new 280 gtx is about the same performance is cards, only in different is when using different resolutions there is a differents in performance and that slghtly. The 8800 gtx is better then the 9800 gtx, not the 8800 gts card.

Dual
06-22-2008, 07:28 AM
Here is the chart of the 2 cards performance which is a 4.05% difference.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/18/review-geforce-gtx-280/5/

Steamer
06-22-2008, 03:45 PM
Thats horrible....

ManBearPig <ibis>
06-22-2008, 05:00 PM
Get the G5, you will totally cum in your pants when it starts up.

Dual
06-22-2008, 08:24 PM
Mac's, and nice, but I Not into them.