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Mallissin
09-28-2009, 07:23 PM
I was doing some weapon's research while the ZM server was acting up, using the PyschoStats data and got to wondering.

Why are P90 kills given twice as many points for a kill as a Para? It's the third most lethal human weapon and a lot more accurate than Para, as you notice by the head-shot numbers, with an above average clip size.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/zm_stats/weapons.php

Is there a list detailing the points assigned to kills by particular weapons? Seems like those brave enough to use Sigs, TMPs or Augs should be getting more points.

I should mention I'm not one of those brave people.

Christmas
09-28-2009, 07:31 PM
I should mention that I am.

:icon_mrgreen:

I do think the ranking system when it comes to weapon weights needs some work. However I would prefer the ranking system to be gone anyways so people aren't compelled to use the P90 ALL THE TIME to up their rank as quickly as possible.

ZERO
09-28-2009, 08:33 PM
This is correct, the p90 was overlooked. The ranks have been fixed to give it the same point value as the pump shotgun. This is only slightly more points than for getting a para kill by a difference of .5 it is still less than the other weapons by a significant amount. The point reduction is about 24% for the p90 from its previous value.

walterbrunswick
09-28-2009, 08:36 PM
My Public Administration professor in First Semester (first class I ever attended at my college) fired a P90.

He said that video games do in fact help improve weapon accuracy and proficiency. Who would have thought.

Jeimuzu
09-29-2009, 07:52 AM
Wait, what?..

Why should P90 be less than a para? That just encourages everyone to buy a para and sit in a vent.

It's true, P90 was a bit too high, but 1.75 would be good instead of 2.30.

And 2.75 for a tmp or mac10 kill isn't that bad. It's 3 times what a para gives almost.

Para can kill any zombie with all head shots, it takes P90 2-3 reloads to kill the deformed and classic.

So it definitely should be worth more than a para.

And, if that be true, then what of the Ak47 and the M4A1? Shouldn't they be at least 2.25? Since they're harder to use than both the para and p90.

And here's the list, or as it should be, in my opinion.




Weapon Weight
ak47 2.25
aug 2.25
awp 0.50
deagle 3.01
elite 3.00
famas 2.35
fiveseven 3.10
g3sg1 0.50
galil 2.50
glock 3.50
hegrenade 5.00
knife 10.00
m249 1.25
m3 1.75
m4a1 2.00
mac10 2.75
mp5navy 2.50
p228 3.10
p90 1.75
scout 3.75
sg550 0.50
sg552 2.00
tmp 2.75
ump45 2.60
usp 3.10
xm1014 1.75
zombie_claws_of_death 1.10


Just go to the original post to see the current points for each weapon, minus the P90 now.

I'd also like to add, the people with TMPs or mac10s, shotguns, etc. are mostly leachers and tube campers. The guys with the p90 actually build the barricades.

ZERO
09-29-2009, 09:44 AM
... what is 2.3-24% -> 1.75 so it is worth more than the para by .5

Christmas
09-29-2009, 02:51 PM
James, you can build a perfectly good cade with a deagle.

๖ReS
09-29-2009, 03:38 PM
My Public Administration professor in First Semester (first class I ever attended at my college) fired a P90.

He said that video games do in fact help improve weapon accuracy and proficiency. Who would have thought.

I learned how to fire most weapons from video games. I also would blame video games for my fabulous hand eye coordination and my lightning fast reflexes.

inthebutt
09-29-2009, 03:41 PM
whoa whoa now lets leave the p90 alone.

james is right, usually its the people with the p90 that builds the cade.

and most of the time when the person with the p90 is reloading the rest of the people are shooting at the zombie earning the kills cause the p90 has the fastest rate of fire and some of us can really aim with that gun, taking alot of health away from the zombie.

just cause the p90 gives you so many points towards skill, doesn't mean everyone is gonna go and use it now, it has a fast rate of fire and a high recoil but not as high as the AK.

people that don't know how to use it mostly spray and pray instead of double tapping it. I vote we leave it alone and let the noobs who try to use it get killed off first and leave more kills for the guys who do know how to use the p90 correctly.

Jeimuzu
09-29-2009, 09:16 PM
... what is 2.3-24% -> 1.75 so it is worth more than the para by .5

I thought you said you reduced it to 0.50, my bad.


James, you can build a perfectly good cade with a deagle.

And dude, just because I built a cade with a scout doesn't mean I like to or want to.

๖ReS
09-29-2009, 10:33 PM
I thought you said you reduced it to 0.50, my bad.



And dude, just because I built a cade with a scout doesn't mean I like to or want to.

I can build a fucking cade with a knife.

BEAT DAT SHIT.

Mallissin
09-29-2009, 11:41 PM
This is correct, the p90 was overlooked. The ranks have been fixed to give it the same point value as the pump shotgun. This is only slightly more points than for getting a para kill by a difference of .5 it is still less than the other weapons by a significant amount. The point reduction is about 24% for the p90 from its previous value.

That seems like a great start. Also seems like the two shotguns should be dropped a tad as well, but still working on the numbers.

I couldn't find Rate of Fire information for the P228 in-game, so if anyone has seen it or would like to figure it out, I'd appreciate it.

I'm building a spreadsheet with information to compare so we might be able to make adjustments without being so arbitrary. I'll post when I get three formulas done that are giving me headaches.

That said, if we do want to use actual data to determine the rank modifiers, how should it be done?

I'd personally like to see them adjusted to promote variety, weighting weapons that aren't used often for higher rank modifiers.

Sin
09-30-2009, 07:16 AM
I can build a fucking cade with a knife.

BEAT DAT SHIT.

I build 'cades wit deez nuts.

Christmas
10-01-2009, 07:53 AM
I build 'cades wit deez nuts.

Seriously sin? You are worse than autumn when you do that.

Sin
10-01-2009, 07:54 AM
Seriously sin? You are worse than autumn when you do that.

Thank you for recognizing my spamming ways! <3

-=NYS=- C.O.
10-01-2009, 07:55 AM
Seriously sin? You are worse than autumn when you do that.

No one is worse than her.

Jeimuzu
10-01-2009, 11:21 PM
Still, got to give him credit for trying.

Sin
10-02-2009, 06:40 AM
Still, got to give him credit for trying.

Thanks to you, too, James. You guis are really making my heart warm.

Jeimuzu
10-02-2009, 09:49 AM
You know I love you all.

Mallissin
10-02-2009, 02:06 PM
The two shotguns definitely need their modifiers reduced, especially the pump. Here's a quick list of the top weapons, their observed damage per minute, maximum possible damage per minute and a comparison.

Weapon,Observed DMG/Min,Maximum DMG/Min,Percent of Potential

m249, 2988, 57000, 5.24%
m3, 3867, 11352, 34.07%
p90, 1458, 30800, 4.73%
m4a1, 1320, 40200, 3.28%
elite, 614, 13320, 4.61%
ak47, 1550, 33300, 4.66%
deagle, 723, 14560, 4.97%
xm1014, 1224, 9009, 13.59%
sg552, 1288, 24840, 5.19%
aug, 1187, 21360, 5.56%
tmp, 1547, 18360, 8.42%
fiveseven, 550, 13320, 4.13%
hegrenade,,,
scout,,,
mp5navy, 812, 13770, 5.89%
usp, 329, 8712, 3.78%
glock, 421, 9180, 4.59%
galil, 1197, 25760, 4.65%
knife,,,
p228,,,
awp,,,
famas, 1324, 20750, 6.38%
g3sg1, 2657, 38280, 6.94%
sg550, 3152, 30300, 10.40%
mac10, 1066, 16200, 6.58%
ump45, 731, 26775, 2.73%

You can pretty quickly pick-out the shotguns (two highest percentages). The TMP beating out one of the auto-snipers was surprising.

Anyway, should probably drop both shotguns to lower than para.

Attached is the spreadsheet (xlsx) I used to calculate.

๖ReS
10-02-2009, 02:57 PM
The two shotguns definitely need their modifiers reduced, especially the pump. Here's a quick list of the top weapons, their observed damage per minute, maximum possible damage per minute and a comparison.

Weapon,Observed DMG/Min,Maximum DMG/Min,Percent of Potential

m249, 2988, 57000, 5.24%
m3, 3867, 11352, 34.07%
p90, 1458, 30800, 4.73%
m4a1, 1320, 40200, 3.28%
elite, 614, 13320, 4.61%
ak47, 1550, 33300, 4.66%
deagle, 723, 14560, 4.97%
xm1014, 1224, 9009, 13.59%
sg552, 1288, 24840, 5.19%
aug, 1187, 21360, 5.56%
tmp, 1547, 18360, 8.42%
fiveseven, 550, 13320, 4.13%
hegrenade,,,
scout,,,
mp5navy, 812, 13770, 5.89%
usp, 329, 8712, 3.78%
glock, 421, 9180, 4.59%
galil, 1197, 25760, 4.65%
knife,,,
p228,,,
awp,,,
famas, 1324, 20750, 6.38%
g3sg1, 2657, 38280, 6.94%
sg550, 3152, 30300, 10.40%
mac10, 1066, 16200, 6.58%
ump45, 731, 26775, 2.73%

You can pretty quickly pick-out the shotguns (two highest percentages). The TMP beating out one of the auto-snipers was surprising.

Anyway, should probably drop both shotguns to lower than para.

Attached is the spreadsheet (xlsx) I used to calculate.

Your really into dis shit aint cha.

Jeimuzu
10-02-2009, 07:44 PM
To be honest I rather more time go into finding new maps than editing the ranking system.

Mallissin
10-02-2009, 08:02 PM
You find variety your way and I'll find variety mine.

I'd like to see people using more than just the same three weapons all the time and reward them for trying something new or being unique. New maps are made only so quickly and there are other ways to try something new or breath life into an loved old map.

Making sure the rank system modifiers are fair also makes the game more challenging to the rank whores, who literally only play for the challenge.

THE HOLY SH**T!
10-02-2009, 10:14 PM
james is just mad he can't get his rank up as fast with the p90s now :).

Christmas
10-02-2009, 10:21 PM
I'm mad that people still are so into their rank.

It's an arbitrary number, people.

walterbrunswick
10-02-2009, 10:28 PM
I'm mad that people still are so into their rank.

It's anarbitrary number, people.

+1 :wtg:

Blaze1
10-05-2009, 11:32 PM
whoa whoa now lets leave the p90 alone.

james is right, usually its the people with the p90 that builds the cade.

and most of the time when the person with the p90 is reloading the rest of the people are shooting at the zombie earning the kills cause the p90 has the fastest rate of fire and some of us can really aim with that gun, taking alot of health away from the zombie.

just cause the p90 gives you so many points towards skill, doesn't mean everyone is gonna go and use it now, it has a fast rate of fire and a high recoil but not as high as the AK.

people that don't know how to use it mostly spray and pray instead of double tapping it. I vote we leave it alone and let the noobs who try to use it get killed off first and leave more kills for the guys who do know how to use the p90 correctly.


+1:wtg: