Harry_read_me

[ZERO]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html

If you have not delved into the thousands of e-mail messages and files hacked from the computers of British climate scientists, let me give you the closest thing to an executive summary. It is taken from a file slugged HARRY_READ_ME, which is the log of a computer expert’s long struggle to make sense of a database of historical temperatures. Here is Harry’s summary of the situation:


Aarrggghhh!
That cry, in various spellings, is a motif throughout the log as Harry tries to fight off despair. “OH [EXPLETIVE] THIS!” he writes (http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_ME.txt) after struggling to reconcile readings from weather stations around the world. “It’s Sunday evening, I’ve worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I’m hitting yet another problem that’s based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity. ...”
Harry, whoever he may be, comes off as the most sympathetic figure in the pilfered computer annals (http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/) of East Anglia University, the British keeper of global temperature records. While Harry’s log shows him worrying about the integrity of the database, the climate scientists are e-mailing one another with strategies for blocking outsiders’ legal requests to see their data.
While Harry is puzzling over temperatures — “I have that familiar Twilight Zone sensation” — the scientists are confidently making proclamations to journalists, jetting to conferences and plotting revenge against those who question the dangers of global warming (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier). When a journal publishes a skeptic’s paper, the scientists e-mail one another to ignore it. They focus instead on retaliation against the journal and the editor, a project that is breezily added to the agenda of their next meeting: “Another thing to discuss in Nice!”


More at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html

[anex]

I like how this comes right before they are about to install a carbon tax. These scientists are a disgrace to their profession.

EDIT: Here is a link for the Emails http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5171206/Hadley_CRU_Files_%28FOI2009.zip%29

[Lovely Ritta]

I like how this comes right before they are about to install a carbon tax. These scientists are a disgrace to their profession.

EDIT: Here is a link for the Emails http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5171206/Hadley_CRU_Files_%28FOI2009.zip%29

I dled and was just going through those emails, it's really ridiculous how blatant they are about covering things up, there are entire conversations about omitting findings that contradict the point they are trying to make. They outcast researchers and find ways to screw with their credibility if they have non CO2 theories. And it's all crazy because we're the ones paying for this, it's our tax money that is being used and, like Anex said, now they want a global tax on top of that.


I know that I might get a lot of hate for this, especially from green liberals but I think that Glenn Beck does a good job summarizing wth is going on with these emails. If you feel like Glenn Beck is not a credible source or are a Beck hater you can easily google all this and you will find dozens of news articles confirming everything he says in this video. :icon_mrgreen: Gotta love Glenn Beck.
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&If some are too lazy to and/or can't dl the emails/docs you can see them here without dling the whole thing using a torrent:http://junkscience.com/FOIA/

[Christmas]

I dled and was just going through those emails, it's really ridiculous how blatant they are about covering things up, there are entire conversations about omitting findings that contradict the point they are trying to make. They outcast researchers and find ways to screw with their credibility if they have non CO2 theories. And it's all crazy because we're the ones paying for this, it's our tax money that is being used and, like Anex said, now they want a global tax on top of that.


I know that I might get a lot of hate for this, especially from green liberals but I think that Glenn Beck does a good job summarizing wth is going on with these emails. If you feel like Glenn Beck is not a credible source or are a Beck hater you can easily google all this and you will find dozens of news articles confirming everything he says in this video. :icon_mrgreen: Gotta love Glenn Beck.
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&If some are too lazy to and/or can't dl the emails/docs you can see them here without dling the whole thing using a torrent:http://junkscience.com/FOIA/

Whether he is right or not he is still annoying as fuck.

His arrogance and constant attacks against the left is the same reason I don't watch the Daily Show for their obvious bias against the right.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

i hate the left but i hate Glenn Beck. He's destroying the rep on the right.

[loka]

People who follow these political parties are sheep. There is no right political party. Just fucking $$$ to fatten their pockets. Politicians know nothing of war or the economy or the blue collar workers. They are just business men in suits who please to special interest groups. Fuck off with that right wing, left wing bullshit. People don't know how to use their minds anymore.

[Lovely Ritta]

@Loka: Some people do, they're called independents.

This thread isn't even supposed to be about Glenn Beck (thus the disclaimer-style statement) it's supposed to be about those hacked emails, and in terms of those emails Glenn is absolutely right.

Glen Beck offers A LOT more news than the current media gives you. If the media was not too busy slobbering the balls of the democratic party, a lot of people would wake up and realize how bad of shape our country is really in. hell, even SNL got it right with the Obama chinese skit.


I say points for Beck. He knew and is showing that the "Global Warming" idiots are a joke. Where's Al Gore? Where is he now? It's a big scam and it just got busted. Man made global warming is and always was bullshit. Stupid liberals.

If you people would do a little research in to the central banks and Rothschild you'd realize that Beck is correct but only scratching the surface. We bicker issues. Leftists blame Bush, conservatives blame Clinton etc. Obama is just another stooge of the central banks. Not that he wants to be but because he is forced. This GW treaty will be the end of American soveirgnty. United we stand divided we fall.We keep fighting about isues that are moot. Teabaggers feel this from the gut. Don't be a duschbagger.

[loka]

I hate to bust your bubble, but thanks to those two retarded parties, you can't even call yourself Independent on a voting ballot anymore. Then, you had both parties head hunt you for your side and your vote.

Honestly, this country severely tanked since the fiasco back in September 2008. That happened under a rightists watch. Too bad the two douche bags that ran for president are the two douche bags I never wanted to see in office at all.

Who cares about global warming. The World will end when it ends.

[Christmas]

Who cares about global warming. The World will end when it ends.

That's quite inspirational.

[walterbrunswick]

That's quite inspirational.

Loka is just full of joy and inspiration.

[loka]

Every republican wants to discredit global warming that it's made up science. Then every democrat wants to cry that the world will end if we don't take global warming serious.

So honestly, who cares? It will end when it ends, and then we'll see who was making up what the entire time.

[Christmas]

Every republican wants to discredit global warming that it's made up science. Then every democrat wants to cry that the world will end if we don't take global warming serious.

So honestly, who cares? It will end when it ends, and then we'll see who was making up what the entire time.

Socrates would be proud.

[Lovely Ritta]

I hate to bust your bubble, but thanks to those two retarded parties, you can't even call yourself Independent on a voting ballot anymore. Then, you had both parties head hunt you for your side and your vote.

Honestly, this country severely tanked since the fiasco back in September 2008. That happened under a rightists watch. Too bad the two douche bags that ran for president are the two douche bags I never wanted to see in office at all.

Who cares about global warming. The World will end when it ends.


lol You're not busting my bubble. :icon_mrgreen: I think you just missed the part where I said: "We bicker issues. Leftists blame Bush, conservatives blame Clinton etc.... This GW treaty will be the end of American sovereignty. United we stand divided we fall.We keep fighting about issues that are moot."

And as for caring about global warming, I care, and you should care. But not because of the reason you think I'm trying to pimp, which, I assume is "climates are gonna change, we're all gonna die." Because, if you read Zero's original post, the scientists that we are paying our tax money to are using it to fudge numbers and mislead us.

Did you read any of the hacked e-mails? Each day I read and cross reference news from all types of sources, left, centrist and right.The fear mongering is that if we don't give trillions of dollars to a new "Climate Governance" we will all die as the Earth heats up. Obama will offer the summit a 17% reduction in US emissions this decade but not sign this treaty because he's not that stupid and it would never pass our senate either.Go read the e-mails. You'll see much is biased.

The science of man made climate change is a fraud. Rather than worrying about the end of the world, or being liberal or conservative, I suggest we worry about this bogus science ruining our economy and jobs by spurring government to impose ruinous and unnecessary carbon taxes and regulations.

This would not only affect you and me via new taxes and regulations but it would also further increase our HUMONGOUS debt, pushing us further and further into a recession, that means less jobs, less money, cost of living rising... you get it.

[loka]

The government pays me. I only do as I'm told. Not who I agree with or what I care about.

[walterbrunswick]

The government pays me. I only do as I'm told. Not who I agree with or what I care about.

You just admitted to being a sheep. Congrats.

[loka]

You just admitted to being a sheep. Congrats.

No problem. That's exactly what you are in the military. The government's bitch.

[Lovely Ritta]

The government pays me. I only do as I'm told. Not who I agree with or what I care about.

XD How is that relevant to this thread and/or the last post again?

[walterbrunswick]

No problem. That's exactly what you are in the military. The government's bitch.

Sworn-in soldiers can oppose going to war. You face Court Martial and possible jail time, but at least you stick to your beliefs. That alone is honorable!

[loka]

XD How is that relevant to this thread and/or the last post again?

Recession and jobs.

[loka]

Sworn-in soldiers can oppose going to war. You face Court Martial and possible jail time, but at least you stick to your beliefs. That alone is honorable!

That's a coward. Not a soldier.

[walterbrunswick]

That's a coward. Not a soldier.

Don't get me wrong. Nothing is black and white.

[Lovely Ritta]

Recession and jobs.

Huh, well I suppose you're right, it might not really matter to you, but to the average citizen who cares about the condition of the economy it might be a bit more important.

&Walter, you should cut the spam and add to the thread, if you have nothing to add then you shouldn't be posting. =P

[maynard]

we're all going 2 die in 2012... does any of this really matter?

[loka]

Huh, well I suppose you're right, it might not really matter to you, but to the average citizen who cares about the condition of the economy it might be a bit more important.

&Walter, you should cut the spam and add to the thread, if you have nothing to add then you shouldn't be posting. =P


I'm still an average citizen, but I saw the economy tank severely in September. Local governments cut government jobs, my mother lost almost all her money in retirement funds, and I was graduating college at the worse time. Considering the field I wanted to get into, almost all government jobs have a hiring freeze (except the military), and who knows when it would be opened again. But we bailed out the banks, and let everyone else suffer in the process. I'm not the only one who has had issues in finding jobs in this economy in my field. For that, it makes me feel better to know I'm going into a career that is secure.

[Lovely Ritta]

I'm still an average citizen, but I saw the economy tank severely in September. Local governments cut government jobs, my mother lost almost all her money in retirement funds, and I was graduating college at the worse time. Considering the field I wanted to get into, almost all government jobs have a hiring freeze (except the military), and who knows when it would be opened again. But we bailed out the banks, and let everyone else suffer in the process. I'm not the only one who has had issues in finding jobs in this economy in my field. For that, it makes me feel better to know I'm going into a career that is secure.

Then we agree, I suppose that what those emails imply is just a tiny part of a big problem that our country is experiencing, maybe just not a part you personally care for.

[uuntiltheendd]

People who follow these political parties are sheep. There is no right political party. Just fucking $$$ to fatten their pockets. Politicians know nothing of war or the economy or the blue collar workers. They are just business men in suits who please to special interest groups. Fuck off with that right wing, left wing bullshit. People don't know how to use their minds anymore.

this! its all just a puppet show to make us think something special is happening. open your eyes.

[Lovely Ritta]

this! its all just a puppet show to make us think something special is happening. open your eyes.

If you read the thread, smart one, you would be aware that something special IS happening.

[uuntiltheendd]

If you read the thread, smart one, you would be aware that something special IS happening.

something special as in they are actually doing something good for the country. so many people are sheep and believe they are actually doing something good.

who lit the fuse on your tampon? youre on a roll. *sarcasm*

[Lovely Ritta]

something special as in they are actually doing something good for the country. so many people are sheep and believe they are actually doing something good.

who lit the fuse on your tampon? youre on a roll. *sarcasm*

I don't remember arguing that they're doing anything good, quite the opposite actually. But it sure as hell IS special. If you don't think that the disclosure of those emails and what they contain isn't special then what interest do you have in this thread at all?

No need to get all mean... and gross now that I think about it. XD

[uuntiltheendd]

I don't remember arguing that they're doing anything good, quite the opposite actually. But it sure as hell IS special. If you don't think that the disclosure of those emails and what they contain isn't special then what interest do you have in this thread at all?

No need to get all mean... and gross now that I think about it. XD

ah we misunderstood each other i think. im talking about people thinking political parties doing something good.

i absolutely do think the disclosure of those emails was a good thing.

lol but im tired so im a lil grumpy and im trying to read a thread on something i shouldnt be reading when im tired and grumpy haha. yea that was a little on the gross side :smirk:

[Lovely Ritta]

ah we misunderstood each other i think. im talking about people thinking political parties doing something good.

i absolutely do think the disclosure of those emails was a good thing.

lol but im tired so im a lil grumpy. yea that was a little on the gross side :smirk:

Oh, no, that wasn't even supposed to be part of this thread. I used a Glenn Beck video that summarized what was going on because people are to lazy to go read it for themselves (hence the lack of posts on this thread for like ever before I posted on it) and everyone freaked out, despite the fact that I put something of a disclaimer in that first post about Glenn beck.

Yeah, it was also an extremely controversial thing considering how wide-spread the thinking that global warming is a clear and present danger is.

lol Get some sleep, buddy!

[wickedtribe]

Glen beck and his entire entrourage all need to fall in a hole, the mislead people and they are not even knews, Serriously look it up the VP of fox news flat out said the times they broadcast news shows and glen beck and 90% of the shows on that channel arent fucking news, they are one sided corrupt morons that need to just die.

Anways, I could care less about whether scientists are trying to build support for their claim by hiding information against their case, FOTM is, people are always, and when I say always, I mean ALWAYS, going to lie to make themselves look beter, because... its how we are and were never gonna change.

[Sin]

Glen beck and his entire entrourage all need to fall in a hole, the mislead people and they are not even knews, Serriously look it up the VP of fox news flat out said the times they broadcast news shows and glen beck and 90% of the shows on that channel arent fucking news, they are one sided corrupt morons that need to just die.

Anways, I could care less about whether scientists are trying to build support for their claim by hiding information against their case, FOTM is, people are always, and when I say always, I mean ALWAYS, going to lie to make themselves look beter, because... its how we are and were never gonna change unless we go like vulcan or something.

Dude... did you just make a Star Trek reference?

[wickedtribe]

Dude... did you just make a Star Trek reference?

Dude... I like just saw that movie... so yes... :(

[Sin]

Never cared for the shows or old movies... but that movie was good as fuck. Shaun of the Dead... 'nuff said.

+1

[Lovely Ritta]

Glen beck and his entire entrourage all need to fall in a hole, the mislead people and they are not even knews, Serriously look it up the VP of fox news flat out said the times they broadcast news shows and glen beck and 90% of the shows on that channel arent fucking news, they are one sided corrupt morons that need to just die.

Anways, I could care less about whether scientists are trying to build support for their claim by hiding information against their case, FOTM is, people are always, and when I say always, I mean ALWAYS, going to lie to make themselves look beter, because... its how we are and were never gonna change.

First of all, no one says Glenn Beck is news, everyone knows that so if you're watching the show then you should know better than to be "mislead". Secondly, this thread isn't about Glenn Beck. He talks about the hacked emails, what they mean, and the coverage that they're getting. Yes, we all know that Glenn Beck isn't always the best source for information, but in this case, concerning that clip, everything he says is true and credible. You would know that had you taken a couple minutes to read the thread before posting about something everyone has gone over.

About you caring, if you don't care about the disclosure of those emails then this really isn't the right thread for you to post on, is it?


And Sin, lol that's really tragic, the shows are what the ST fan base is built on. If you don't like the old stuff you should try some of the newer ones, Voyager is my personal favorite. Perfect balance between the modern graphics and the authentic Star Trek feel. & +1 about that movie being good. Spock is so hot. ;]

[Sin]

About you caring, if you don't care about the disclosure of those emails then this really isn't the right thread for you to post on, is it?


And Sin, lol that's really tragic, the shows are what the ST fan base is built on. If you don't like the old stuff you should try some of the newer ones, Voyager is my personal favorite. Perfect balance between the modern graphics and the authentic Star Trek feel. & +1 about that movie being good. Spock is so hot. ;]

I'll forgive you for continuing to bring up the fact that this thread isn't for some people, since you're relatively new around here.

But fuck the Star Trek series. Bores me to tears.

[Lovely Ritta]

I'll forgive you for continuing to bring up the fact that this thread isn't for some people, since you're relatively new around here.

But fuck the Star Trek series. Bores me to tears.

lol I know, I know, but since these other people are so experienced, the least they could do is read the thread before posting, not like they're in desperate need of raising their post count. Don't tell me that has never gotten on your nerves before.

Well you liked the movie, that says something. lol :borg: <--Just 'cause we're talking about it. hehe

[Sin]

lol I know, I know, but since these other people are so experienced, the least they could do is read the thread before posting, not like they're in desperate need of raising their post count. Don't tell me that has never gotten on your nerves before.

Well you liked the movie, that says something. lol :borg: <--Just 'cause we're talking about it. hehe

No. It never has. As I am guilty of not reading threads/posts in full and changing topics, completely diverting the original posters' goal of discussing whatever it is they intended to discuss. Run-on sentences FTW. Sentence fragments FTW.

Sylar, Harold, and Shaun of the Dead from Star Trek, FTW. (Discussing the movie is much more entertaining than political drivel over the intarwebz).

[Lovely Ritta]

No. It never has. As I am guilty of not reading threads/posts in full and changing topics, completely diverting the original posters' goal of discussing whatever it is they intended to discuss. Run-on sentences FTW. Sentence fragments FTW.

Sylar, Harold, and Shaun of the Dead from Star Trek, FTW. (Discussing the movie is much more entertaining than political drivel over the intarwebz).

lol Well then I guess I can't expect you to understand how annoying it can be if early in the thread I made a point to address Glenn Beck and then have some bring it up again. Feels weird to have to explain the same thing more than once in the thread, especially considering the fact that I clearly added a "disclaimer-type statement" in my first post, the one that contains the video.

lol I guess it could be, there should be a thread where people just talk about random stuff instead of spamming up threads that are dedicated to talking about something specific.

Agreed, Sylar=:wtg:

[wickedtribe]

lol I know, I know, but since these other people are so experienced, the least they could do is read the thread before posting, not like they're in desperate need of raising their post count. Don't tell me that has never gotten on your nerves before.

Well you liked the movie, that says something. lol :borg: <--Just 'cause we're talking about it. hehe

While I appreciate your concern, I would have you know I have been monitoring this thread since its creation, I have read all of the e-mails, and the purpose for my post, is at least more legitamit than all of your posts after my original one, my second post was pointless and holds as much merit as all of your posts combined after my original (none).

Thank you Rita for your concern upon my addressing something previously mentioned in the thread and have a nice day :)

[anex]

First of all, no one says Glenn Beck is news, everyone knows that so if you're watching the show then you should know better than to be "mislead". Secondly, this thread isn't about Glenn Beck. He talks about the hacked emails, what they mean, and the coverage that they're getting. Yes, we all know that Glenn Beck isn't always the best source for information, but in this case, concerning that clip, everything he says is true and credible. You would know that had you taken a couple minutes to read the thread before posting about something everyone has gone over.

Not everything that man says is "true" and "credible." He is on fawx news, which has the credibility of a 7th grader using wikipedia as a source for his history paper. He is subject to sucking the cock of the republicans, just like cnn sucks the cocks of democrats. Glenn Beck just reported it because this is his charade. His character is a so called "libertarian" with a heavy leaning towards neocons. If he hadn't reported it, his pious followers would have said "wtf?!"

Read Independent news.

You remind me of my Grandma, she loves Glenn Beck.

BTW Wickedtribe: +1 to your first post :wtg:

[loka]

Not everything that man says is "true" and "credible." He is on fawx news, which has the credibility of a 7th grader using wikipedia as a source for his history paper. He is subject to sucking the cock of the republicans, just like cnn sucks the cocks of democrats. Glenn Beck just reported it because this is his charade. His character is a so called "libertarian" with a heavy leaning towards neocons. If he hadn't reported it, his pious followers would have said "wtf?!"

Read Independent news.

You remind me of my Grandma, she loves Glenn Beck.

Read the Onion with me. Lol

My dad loves Rush Limbaugh. He's another republican teabagger

[Sin]

lol I guess it could be, there should be a thread where people just talk about random stuff instead of spamming up threads that are dedicated to talking about something specific.


No.

@ Loka - Rush is a fag. No, really!

[Lovely Ritta]

Not everything that man says is "true" and "credible." He is on fawx news, which has the credibility of a 7th grader using wikipedia as a source for his history paper. He is subject to sucking the cock of the republicans, just like cnn sucks the cocks of democrats. Glenn Beck just reported it because this is his charade. His character is a so called "libertarian" with a heavy leaning towards neocons. If he hadn't reported it, his pious followers would have said "wtf?!"

Read Independent news.

You remind me of my Grandma, she loves Glenn Beck.

BTW Wickedtribe: +1 to your first post :wtg:

Here are my exact words from an earlier post:

"First of all, no one says Glenn Beck is news, everyone knows that so if you're watching the show then you should know better than to be "mislead"... Yes, we all know that Glenn Beck isn't always the best source for information, but in this case, concerning that clip, everything he says is true and credible."

And I'm sure your grandma is a wonderful lady.

[loka]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/zombie_reagan_raised_from_grave

hahahahahahaha

Rush can choke on his racist cock. The NFL won't give him the time of day.

[Lovely Ritta]

While I appreciate your concern, I would have you know I have been monitoring this thread since its creation, I have read all of the e-mails, and the purpose for my post, is at least more legitamit than all of your posts after my original one, my second post was pointless and holds as much merit as all of your posts combined after my original (none).

Thank you Rita for your concern upon my addressing something previously mentioned in the thread and have a nice day :)

Yeah, I won't argue with you there, kind of got off topic after that... Am I the only one that finds that annoying?

[Sin]

Yeah, I won't argue with you there, kind of got off topic after that... Am I the only one that finds that annoying?

Uh-oh... someone's not going to like it here very much.

[Lovely Ritta]

No.


Uh-oh... someone's not going to like it here very much.

Whatever. lol You're just trying to be House.
"I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual." :lmao:

[Christmas]

Uh-oh... someone's not going to like it here very much.

Where the hell have you been, anyways?

[anex]

And I'm sure your grandma is a wonderful lady.

No shes not. I hang up on constantly because somehow she always talk about God and how much he loves me. *gag* -- Athiest

[Lovely Ritta]

No shes not. I hang up on constantly because somehow she always talk about God and how much he loves me. *gag* -- Athiest

Hahahaha, :lmao: wow, I'm really sorry.

[Christmas]

No shes not. I hang up on constantly because somehow she always talk about God and how much he loves me. *gag* -- Athiest

My ex was like that.


Then I hit her with my car.

[Sin]

Where the hell have you been, anyways?

I get bored easily.

@ FNG - Ya know, I've only seen a couple random episodes of that show. Although his omniscient persona is entertaining, he still qq's too much for my taste.

But I guess I kind of understand what you're trying to say?

EDIT: I love derailing threads.

[Lovely Ritta]

My ex was like that.


Then I hit her with my car.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/Ritser/CoolStoryBro.jpg

[Lovely Ritta]

@ FNG - Ya know, I've only seen a couple random episodes of that show. Although his omniscient persona is entertaining, he still qq's too much for my taste.

But I guess I kind of understand what you're trying to say?

EDIT: I love derailing threads.

lol Your avatar says it all. No need to watch the show to understand.

[loka]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/Ritser/CoolStoryBro.jpg

baahahahahahahahaha.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/Metal_Militia666/Family%20Guy%20and%20American%20Dad%20animated/Hi-5-Alright.gif

[uuntiltheendd]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/Ritser/CoolStoryBro.jpg

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/wowrx/yourefunnay.jpg

[Sin]

http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/wowrx/yourefunnay.jpg

FUCK! I was drinking my coffee again! You do that shit on purpose, UTE.

[uuntiltheendd]

FUCK! I was drinking my coffee again! You do that shit on purpose, UTE.

works every time :lmao:

[Fireye]

Climate Change will happen, even if it's a part of a natural cycle, so planning on Climate Change happening is a good bet. Might as well be prepared for what may come, instead of being caught without a plan. That said, CO2 emissions have already upset a number of natural processes, beyond the claimed warming of the atmosphere. Due to the increased CO2 count in the atmosphere, the ocean's acidity has increased in some areas, which has devestated some Coral Reefs. In other areas of the ocean, Jellyfish population has exploded, due to their natural predators having a harder time (presumed due to oceanic environmental factors). Even if the earth wasn't to warm due to human activity (which seems unlikely), it's obvious that some places have experienced huge amounts of drought, wildfires have increased (likely due to a combination of drought and an interruption of the natural wildfire processes out in the western states), and a number of species are becoming endangered or extinct.
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[Lovely Ritta]

Climate Change will happen, even if it's a part of a natural cycle, so planning on Climate Change happening is a good bet. Might as well be prepared for what may come, instead of being caught without a plan. That said, CO2 emissions have already upset a number of natural processes, beyond the claimed warming of the atmosphere. Due to the increased CO2 count in the atmosphere, the ocean's acidity has increased in some areas, which has devestated some Coral Reefs. In other areas of the ocean, Jellyfish population has exploded, due to their natural predators having a harder time (presumed due to oceanic environmental factors). Even if the earth wasn't to warm due to human activity (which seems unlikely), it's obvious that some places have experienced huge amounts of drought, wildfires have increased (likely due to a combination of drought and an interruption of the natural wildfire processes out in the western states), and a number of species are becoming endangered or extinct.
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No one is saying pollution, de-forestation etc is not happening but they are saying there's no evidence to support the link between climate change and carbon for which the UN wants to create the most powerful global government in history in order to control everything we do via taxes which solves nothing.

[loka]

Climate change has been happening for the past few years. Yesterday up in the Northeast it was 70 degrees outside. I swear I broke out my summer clothes. This isn't typical December weather. Normally by this time we have had snow in November, but we have yet to see a major storm hit us. What should have been snow on Thanksgiving ended up being 3 days of rain storms because of 50+ degrees in weather.

The point of my leftist, rightist comment was to exactly pin point why people like Glen Beck have a show. To criticize all parties who he can find a blame for. However, Global warming interest groups come from those same exact interest groups that senators have deep pockets in. You guys should really look into what senators have commitment from this scam. One of them is republican senator who has a seat in the EPW. So ROFL again on the whole this is a leftists issue. They are all scammers.

All these implications aren't new in exposing false numbers. Water Gate comes to mind.

[Lovely Ritta]

Climate change has been happening for the past few years. Yesterday up in the Northeast it was 70 degrees outside. I swear I broke out my summer clothes. This isn't typical December weather. Normally by this time we have had snow in November, but we have yet to see a major storm hit us. What should have been snow on Thanksgiving ended up being 3 days of rain storms because of 50+ degrees in weather.

The point of my leftist, rightist comment was to exactly pin point why people like Glen Beck have a show. To criticize all parties who he can find a blame for. However, Global warming interest groups come from those same exact interest groups that senators have deep pockets in. You guys should really look into what senators have commitment from this scam. One of them is republican senator who has a seat in the EPW. So ROFL again on the whole this is a leftists issue. They are all scammers.

All these implications aren't new in exposing false numbers. Water Gate comes to mind.

Wow, that is some shit, actually the weather has changed here in the NW too. It used to be warmish and rainy all through December and January, it has gotten progressively colder and colder, we even get snow for a week or two every year.

I think seeing what people like Glenn and Rush do is quite entertaining, it's like watching reality TV or reading a gossip magazine.... only with more drama.

+1 On the "They are all scammers."

[ZERO]

I just wanted to add that I have conducted my own research using data from NOAA and NASA to create regression models. Using Co2 and CH4 levels from every month since December 1979 along with global temp records from NOAA I could only get it to explain 25% of the data. Even when the sun was added in and Co2 and CH4 were squared to account for there non linear relation (which by itself disproved the logic of global warming) the highest R^2 was .36 with an F-stat of 16 or 18. (note that the f-stat for co2 and ch4 alone was higher).

The important note here is that even given the most logical variables, the climate can not be accurately statically modeled to a degree that would allow anyone to reach any true conclusions one way or the other. Also I would note that it is very likely that the original measurements (atleast from the US) are so bad that the changes are likely to be within the margin of error for the actual measurements. Ergo we have no idea wtf is going on. If you check http://www.surfacestations.org/ you can see how bad our current data is.

If global warming is really going on and we are the only thing that can stop it; it is imperative that we correct the huge number of errors in the current system and also ensure that all of our data is accurate so that we can truly understand what is going on and the best way to stop it based on real true, reliable and accurate data. :wtg:

File is attached, you can also make some graphs if you want to visualize the trending.

[Jeimuzu]

I heard something about "Earth isn't the only planet heating up in our solar system."

[loka]

I heard something about "Earth isn't the only planet heating up in our solar system."

It isn't. That's the scary part about this all. It's not just the Earth, it's the entire solar system. Considering I read this information a year ago in an astronomy class. It's only going to get worse. This is being caused I believe from what I read by increasing temperatures from the Sun, and gravitational pull.

[Fireye]

It isn't. That's the scary part about this all. It's not just the Earth, it's the entire solar system. Considering I read this information a year ago in an astronomy class. It's only going to get worse. This is being caused I believe from what I read by increasing temperatures from the Sun, and gravitational pull.

I hadn't heard this, so I figured I should read up on it. Found:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/04/the_solar_cycle_and_global_war.php

Haven't had a chance to read through these yet, but will do so when I get home. Seems like a good bit of speculation though.

[loka]

I hadn't heard this, so I figured I should read up on it. Found:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/04/the_solar_cycle_and_global_war.php

Haven't had a chance to read through these yet, but will do so when I get home. Seems like a good bit of speculation though.

The problem with science is you will always have a scientist who has skepticism to what another scientist finds. The argument of climate change in the solar system is comparable in my opinion to those who look for when does a fetus feel pain in regards to abortions.

Reading through these articles, I'm looking at a ton of bias from different scientists quoting different findings from different sources. Some people who are even unaware of what other planets functions are in the solar system. Example would be Jupiter, where Galileo in his earlier findings thought Jupiter internally generated heat, also considering it's high CO2 levels.

I also forgot to mention in regards to the sun and gravitational pull is other astronomical happenings in the solar system. The funny part that I always found interesting about space is there is more than 1 million galaxies that collide with each other. I forgot how many years this goes on, but it loops out plenty of planets when these collisions occur disrupting normal functions of the planets.

[ZERO]

Note that during that it is very rare for things to physically collide. Also the temp comparatives I hear about were from Mars (took 2 semesters of astronomy in collage and 1 in high school).

[Lovely Ritta]

I just wanted to add that I have conducted my own research using data from NOAA and NASA to create regression models. Using Co2 and CH4 levels from every month since December 1979 along with global temp records from NOAA I could only get it to explain 25% of the data. Even when the sun was added in and Co2 and CH4 were squared to account for there non linear relation (which by itself disproved the logic of global warming) the highest R^2 was .36 with an F-stat of 16 or 18. (note that the f-stat for co2 and ch4 alone was higher).

The important note here is that even given the most logical variables, the climate can not be accurately statically modeled to a degree that would allow anyone to reach any true conclusions one way or the other. Also I would note that it is very likely that the original measurements (atleast from the US) are so bad that the changes are likely to be within the margin of error for the actual measurements. Ergo we have no idea wtf is going on. If you check http://www.surfacestations.org/ you can see how bad our current data is.

If global warming is really going on and we are the only thing that can stop it; it is imperative that we correct the huge number of errors in the current system and also ensure that all of our data is accurate so that we can truly understand what is going on and the best way to stop it based on real true, reliable and accurate data. :wtg:

File is attached, you can also make some graphs if you want to visualize the trending.

I looked at that file you attached, it's all analytical stats, how do I make a graph from that?

The data you used would be most helpful.

[loka]

Note that during that it is very rare for things to physically collide. Also the temp comparatives I hear about were from Mars (took 2 semesters of astronomy in collage and 1 in high school).

Yeah the planets don't physically collide. What happens is when the two galaxies are reaching each other, it's more of a swerving motion. They call it a collision of the galaxies for some reason

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