Admin Only Section

[Tragedy]

So I had an idea and was wondering if it could be made possible:

An Admin only section on the forums (clan members can come in to of course). An area where we can discuss topics, problems and present solutions to any issues that might be present at the time. Also, it can be an area where problem admins can be "spoken" to, to avoid massive flame wars and drama on the forums. I am going to update this post with peoples ideas so no one has to scroll through multiple posts:

OMGbears ideas: an admin forums would be a nice addition and a welcomed thing for discussing server rules and such before bringing something final to the community as a whole. Beyond this, we are essentially share holders in this server, and incidentally the community. Whereas the clan members provide the leadership within the community, admins provide a financial base without which the community would dissolve. This is not to mention we likewise provide a very important leadership role within the community as well. In many cases admins are better known than some of the IBIS members on the various servers from which a lot of the community comes from. Do we deserve something out of the way of the community as a whole? I would wager a yes; not a dividend from our contribution to the server but the ability to propose, discuss, and update server-side policy then bring it to the community as a whole as a more finished version. In addition, we could have a spot where console command lists for the server, examples on demoing hackers, simple guides for new admins (what not to do, etc), and in general anything else that really has nothing to do with the community and tends to clutter the boards as is.

Fireyes ideas: I like the idea of an admin only section. It really isn't appropriate to post in the admin help forum asking how to run a specific admin comand. Could also be used to note persons of interest, wrt hacking or suspected rule violations. The only downside, in my view, is that it segments some discussions away from the regular members.

Acolyte ideas: also, some way of differentiating admins from community on the forums as well. i know clanners have rank IBIS, but if you don't know the admins from in game you don't know who is one.

Bumpkins ideas: I, too, think this is a good, solid idea. It looks bad on the community as a whole when there is constant bickering between the people who have some sort of power within the server and the forums. Yeah, the regulars should be involved, but not with everything. when it comes to issues that they should be involved in, then the topic can be discussed within the public forums. But when not, it would be discussed within the admin private forum.


Anyway...post your opinions on this and hopefully if we get enough people that want it, ZERO will make it happen. If you don't like the idea, please keep your opinions to yourself. I would like to keep this thread positive.

[Abandoned]

I like this idea, very much so!

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yeah. that'd be a great idea. also, some way of differentiating admins from community on the forums as well.

i know clanners have rank IBIS, but if you don't know the admins from in game you don't know who is one

[Tragedy]

very good idea, i am going to edit my post.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

well, vBulliton should have a way to change the displaycolor for member's names depending on their rank. you could make admins a darker shade than others...of course you'd need to give them a seperate rank then too

[Christmas]

I don't see what good this will do.

When it comes to issues with the server, ALL members should have access to the discussions. This wouldn't make the servers any better and it would be one more thing for ZERO to work on despite the fact he has a lot on his plate already.

I strongly disapprove.

[Tragedy]

I've made plenty of my own websites and forums and it isn't a burden to create new a section and limit it to a certain group of people (aka admins and clan members).

Unlike most in this community, I dislike the drama and I think this would be a great way to get rid of a bit of it instead of just "oops I deleted your thread/post teehee" and then that person makes another thread and is more pissed.

Having an admin only section will also keep admin bashing away from the public for the most part. Because when an admin does something wrong, they have like 10+ different people bashing on them including admins and regular community members alike. This is then followed with the admin getting defensive and 5+ pages of flame wars, abuse (in my eyes) and humiliation. This could all be avoided with an admin section.

Clan members aren't allowed to publicly abuse/flame each other...so why should admins? That's stupid. This would also provide space for them to sort out their debate away from the public eye.


Christmas, if you don't like the idea of this, just keep your opinions to yourself. Strongly disagree? Would it harm you having one? No. Stop being so bleak.

[inthebutt]

I believe this has been brought up before and it never went anywhere.

christmas is right too by the way.

what I used to do was make a massive steam chat with every admin in ZM and we talked it out that way. it was alot quicker too, instead of posting and waiting for someone else to post.

try the steam way first and see if you like it or not.

[Tragedy]

thx for the opinion but I'd like to hear others ideas/opinions regarding this before we all settle for less.

[Christmas]

I've made plenty of my own websites and forums and it isn't a burden to create new a section and limit it to a certain group of people (aka admins and clan members).

Unlike most in this community, I dislike the drama and I think this would be a great way to get rid of a bit of it instead of just "oops I deleted your thread/post teehee" and then that person makes another thread and is more pissed.

What? This is a clan member issue not an admin one.


Having an admin only section will also keep admin bashing away from the public for the most part. Because when an admin does something wrong, they have like 10+ different people bashing on them including admins and regular community members alike. This is then followed with the admin getting defensive and 5+ pages of flame wars, abuse (in my eyes) and humiliation. This could all be avoided with an admin section.

People are going to bash the admins regardless of there being an admin section. Most of the time it is regulars anyway, and they won't have the ability to use that section.


Clan members aren't allowed to publicly abuse/flame each other...so why should admins? That's stupid. This would also provide space for them to sort out their debate away from the public eye.

Once again, this has nothing to do with there being a separate section. If the clan members didn't have their own section they still wouldn't be allowed to flame each other.



Christmas, if you don't like the idea of this, just keep your opinions to yourself. Strongly disagree? Would it harm you having one? No. Stop being so bleak.


thx for the opinion but I'd like to hear others ideas/opinions regarding this before we all settle for less.

If you want people to give their opinions then you better deal with the fact people's opinions may be against your idea. I strongly disagree because it will solve nothing. Don't ask for opinions then tell those against to keep their opinions to themselves.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

The topic has been discussed and shot down. Christmas has a lot of valid points.

[Tragedy]

Im not going to multi quote you like you did me but...

1. Clan member issue? I was talking about admin drama when admins start arguing, clan members start just deleting stuff. It doesn't look good when admins argue publicly on the forums...so an admin section would correct this. Think outside the box christmas.

2. I think that if a regular is bashing an admin, the problem would then need to be taken into the admin section only instead of debating/arguing for all eyes to see. Here the admins could discuss the problem with the admin in question and come up with a solution/punishment instead of a shit load of bashing on the forums. "you shouldn't have admin, you are a piece of shit, why are you here blah blah" It looks bad. You might like the kiddie drama here, but I don't.

3. Regarding clan member flaming, again...think a bit harder on my point. A lot of our admins don't get along and argue/flame in front of everyone and argue out in the open forums for everyone to see and join along in. If there was a private section, we could keep this contained in that section where our regulars could not see our issues and how fucked up our admin community is.

4. As for your opinion...This isn't a topic that should even get "bashed down". It is an IDEA that I think would better our community and help out, even in the smallest way. Why should that deserve negative comments? I know you love to try and argue but I don't need it in my thread. I don't need multi-quotes with you trying to prove a point against mine and others ideas.

I really don't care to argue with you christmas, so please stop posting in this thread.

[Tragedy]

The topic has been discussed and shot down. Christmas has a lot of valid points.

Shot down by whom? I just posted it today and b/c christmas says no, it is shot down? I mean yeah if it was discussed between ZERO and all other clan members somehow in the past few hours in a private section, then I can understand. But if not that...then how is it already shot down? Oh and Christmas's points are far from valid.

[Fireye]

I like the idea of an admin only section. It really isn't appropriate to post in the admin help forum asking how to run a specific admin comand. Could also be used to note persons of interest, wrt hacking or suspected rule violations. The only downside, in my view, is that it segments some discussions away from the regular members.

[OMGBEARS]

I can see Christmas' points; it would be more work for Zero when he already does a great deal managing the server-side of things. Re-uploading and fixing GG, something about hells-demon in WCS (wierd ass mofo's), and two more servers to upgrade and streamline are some of the examples on some of the things on his plate that I don't want to see postponed for an admin forums when he could just be working on that check list of his.

That being said, I must disagree with Christmas -- an admin forums would be a nice addition and a welcomed thing for discussing server rules and such before bringing something final to the community as a whole. Beyond this, we are essentially share holders in this server, and incidentally the community. Whereas the clan members provide the leadership within the community, admins provide a financial base without which the community would dissolve. This is not to mention we likewise provide a very important leadership role within the community as well. In many cases admins are better known than some of the IBIS members on the various servers from which a lot of the community comes from. Do we deserve something out of the way of the community as a whole? I would wager a yes; not a dividend from our contribution to the server but the ability to propose, discuss, and update server-side policy then bring it to the community as a whole as a more finished version.

In addition, we could have a spot where console command lists for the server, examples on demoing hackers, simple guides for new admins (what not to do, etc), and in general anything else that really has nothing to do with the community and tends to clutter the boards as is.

I think it's a solid idea.

[Tragedy]

^^ I really like your take on things OMGbears. You definitely had a lot more points/ideas than I did, hahaha. I am going to edit your opinions into my first post.

[Christmas]

Tragedy, this is a discussion forum, and if you want to make points without anyone going against you where you can stick your fingers in your ears and scream "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" then go and write on a blog.

The community wouldn't function if every thread could only have comments that agree with the OP. That isn't what the community is about.

In short: If you can't take an opinion contrary to yours then fuck off.

[Tragedy]

Christmas, you just like to argue. None of the ideas presented would hurt the community at all and would most likely be very convenient to all admins and help us and the servers in the long run. I can take others opinions, but yours was just degrading to the entire idea like it would plague the forums and burn this place down. Now seriously, I do not wish to argue with you, so just stay out of this thread if can't control yourself. I want to stay on topic, and away from drama.

[OMGBEARS]

I don't think that Christmas is being unreasonable -- any good points against should be met by good points for. If it's a good enough idea, the pro's will outweigh the con's.

No worries, Tragedy, if the idea is solid it will develop.

[Christmas]

Christmas, you just like to argue. None of the ideas presented would hurt the community at all and would most likely be very convenient to all admins and help us and the servers in the long run. I can take others opinions, but yours was just degrading to the entire idea like it would plague the forums and burn this place down. Now seriously, I do not wish to argue with you, so just stay out of this thread if can't control yourself. I want to stay on topic, and away from drama.

There was no drama. I expressed why I really did not agree with this idea. It is not necessary and ZERO has enough to work on. Regulars SHOULD be involved in all discussions on the rules because a lot of regulars know more than a lot of the admins who are on right now.

Why stifle the regulars from having input on what goes on in the community just because they don't/can't pony up the money to be an admin?

The best benefit to the community would be allow all players a say and this asks for the exact opposite. There is no drama in any of those statements.

And do I like to argue? I like to DISCUSS ISSUES and if that comes off as argumentative then I am sorry. I am not going to stop discussing server issues (whether I agree with someone or not) because the community needs as much input as humanly possible for it to function to its highest potential.

[Tragedy]

cool story bro.


Anyway...answering that statement in general: community members can still post their opinion on things on the forum, but in the end it needs to be decided by the admins/clan members. There are multiple positive ideas and outcomes that this "admin only" section can bring, and I will just leave it at that. I am sure more admins will chime in somewhere down the road.

[Bumpkin]

I, too, think this is a good, solid idea. It looks bad on the community as a whole when there is constant bickering between the people who have some sort of power within the server and the forums. Yeah, the regulars should be involved, but not with everything. when it comes to issues that they should be involved in, then the topic can be discussed within the public forums. But when not, it would be discussed within the admin private forum.

I see where Christmas is coming from, and I disagree. Yes, we all know Zero is a busy guy, but this idea would most definitely, in my opinion, relieve some stress off of him. every time he logs into the forums, he wouldn't see all this negative and public flaming, He wouldn't have to answer a bunch of PM's about how "omg he did this to me and my balls are hurt now!!!!!!!1111oneone" and he wouldn't have to sift through a bunch of threads to see if anyone, admin wise, has done anything wrong.

Because we all know not every one knows the forums and will post admin abuse in the Videos thread.

In short, let's not instantly shoot this idea down just because we THINK it's not going to work. it's not fair to say that when we haven't even tried.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

There was no drama. I expressed why I really did not agree with this idea. It is not necessary and ZERO has enough to work on. Regulars SHOULD be involved in all discussions on the rules because a lot of regulars know more than a lot of the admins who are on right now.

Why stifle the regulars from having input on what goes on in the community just because they don't/can't pony up the money to be an admin?

The best benefit to the community would be allow all players a say and this asks for the exact opposite. There is no drama in any of those statements.

And do I like to argue? I like to DISCUSS ISSUES and if that comes off as argumentative then I am sorry. I am not going to stop discussing server issues (whether I agree with someone or not) because the community needs as much input as humanly possible for it to function to its highest potential.

I agree with Christmas.

[OMGBEARS]

Why stifle the regulars from having input on what goes on in the community just because they don't/can't pony up the money to be an admin?

The best benefit to the community would be allow all players a say and this asks for the exact opposite. There is no drama in any of those statements.

And do I like to argue? I like to DISCUSS ISSUES and if that comes off as argumentative then I am sorry. I am not going to stop discussing server issues (whether I agree with someone or not) because the community needs as much input as humanly possible for it to function to its highest potential.

Then why have a clan-only section of the forum? Why not expand the clan to include the entire community? Why stifle the regulars from having input on what goes on in the community just because they can't seem to win favor with the clan? Obviously a sarcastic point, but a valid one in my opinion: admins are different than the larger community in a similar manner to IBIS clan members are different than the larger community.

Besides, the central idea that I support would have an admin forums as primarily a resource guide for admins; beyond this we could have a place for discussing server policy (as well as forming server-specific policies) before bringing them to the people as a whole. It's not as though the larger community wouldn't have a place in decision making, and in fact they would have a better understanding of the idea initially if it could be more finalized before viewing.

For instance, the list of restricted spots on ZMod would have avoided a lot of grief and potentially implemented faster (at the time of this writing it hasn't yet been implemented) if it could have just been posted in the admin forums, a list be developed then posted in the discussion forums for input from regulars for a time, a final edit put into place then put into action. A lot of admins are some of the more active regulars on each server, it's not as though decision making would be hampered to some massive degree. It would be streamlined as far as I'm concerned.

[Tragedy]

Very good points bears. Also...NYS, you say you agree with Christmas? Then this kinda relates to what bears said, "why have a clan only section"?? Pretty hypocritical IMO. Admins are a huge part of this community and what make this community continue to grow.

[Christmas]

Then why have a clan-only section of the forum? Why not expand the clan to include the entire community? Why stifle the regulars from having input on what goes on in the community just because they can't seem to win favor with the clan? Obviously a sarcastic point, but a valid one in my opinion: admins are different than the larger community in a similar manner to IBIS clan members are different than the larger community.

Admins were not selected to become admins. Clan members have much more responsibility because they have proven in spades that they can handle the responsibility and are the best members of the community. They also have moderation status, which means they should have their own private area to deal with affairs in the forum. All discussion boards have that.

You are asking for more responsibility for admins who gained that title with their wallets. They are not at the same level as clan members.


Besides, the central idea that I support would have an admin forums as primarily a resource guide for admins; beyond this we could have a place for discussing server policy (as well as forming server-specific policies) before bringing them to the people as a whole. It's not as though the larger community wouldn't have a place in decision making, and in fact they would have a better understanding of the idea initially if it could be more finalized before viewing.

For starters, if ZERO wants to make a resource guide he should write one up and sticky it. Admins only need to view that guide and the need for discussion on those issues would be non-existent. "How do I do this? Oh wait there is a nice little guide stickied at the top of the sub-forum for me to look at!"

Also regulars bring up server policy as well, and should be privy to the discussion because, like I said, admins aren't automatically better at discussing the rules than the regulars are. There is no need to have two separate forums for these kinds of discussions and if there are people discussing new rules I want to know.


For instance, the list of restricted spots on ZMod would have avoided a lot of grief and potentially implemented faster (at the time of this writing it hasn't yet been implemented) if it could have just been posted in the admin forums, a list be developed then posted in the discussion forums for input from regulars for a time, a final edit put into place then put into action. A lot of admins are some of the more active regulars on each server, it's not as though decision making would be hampered to some massive degree. It would be streamlined as far as I'm concerned.

Once again, regulars should have input, because I know Kavinsky is a long time regular who does not own admin and should be allowed to discuss the issue.

There is no reason to believe that the list for that would be implemented faster if FEWER people are putting up their input. Is that better for the community? Less people giving their input?

Collaboration causes things to move faster, and with a separate private forum for just the servers it hampers it.

[OMGBEARS]

Admins were not selected to become admins. Clan members have much more responsibility because they have proven in spades that they can handle the responsibility and are the best members of the community. They also have moderation status, which means they should have their own private area to deal with affairs in the forum. All discussion boards have that.

You are asking for more responsibility for admins who gained that title with their wallets. They are not at the same level as clan members.

There are plans for a screening process for admins being put into place. Besides this, being an admin may be by paying money, sure, but in order to keep the tag, you must prove that you can handle the responsibility. Zero can revoke your admin privledges just as fast as you got them if you prove to be inept and unable to enforce server policy effectively. What about immature clan members? What about moderators who censor anything even remotely degredating to the clan? There are abuses in both camps that go unpunished, sure, but my point is that to infer that admins don't have any responsibilities in this community is a fallacy.

There are admins who are just as respected as some of the clan members on the servers. Sometimes there are admins who are more respected on the servers, they carry a responsibility to each player in the community. In fact, good admins bring in regulars faster than good clan members do. Beyond this, good admins being in new admins and monetary support for the community than good clan members do. We're much more visible.


For starters, if ZERO wants to make a resource guide he should write one up and sticky it. Admins only need to view that guide and the need for discussion on those issues would be non-existent. "How do I do this? Oh wait there is a nice little guide stickied at the top of the sub-forum for me to look at!"

This is easily done by providing a separate dedicated resource for admins. There's no need for the community to see what commands admins have access to, nor do they need to see examples of hacks and the like. These are things that admins are supposed to be watching out for constantly, I think if anything a dedicated forums would provide a better experience for the player if admins had ready access to this sort of information. I also think that there is no harm in creating a separate forum to provide this to admins in order to prevent cluttering up public forums with threads that the larger community has no interest in as a whole.


Also regulars bring up server policy as well, and should be privy to the discussion because, like I said, admins aren't automatically better at discussing the rules than the regulars are. There is no need to have two separate forums for these kinds of discussions and if there are people discussing new rules I want to know.

Once again, regulars should have input, because I know Kavinsky is a long time regular who does not own admin and should be allowed to discuss the issue.

There is no reason to believe that the list for that would be implemented faster if FEWER people are putting up their input. Is that better for the community? Less people giving their input?

Collaboration causes things to move faster, and with a separate private forum for just the servers it hampers it.

You don't seem to understand my idea of what the admin forum would provide to the community. We wouldn't be secretly creating policies and creating a new world order, we would be coming up with ideas and fleshing them out and solidifying them a bit before bringing them to the public forum for final discussion. Beyond this, moderators would always have the option of moving any discussion to a public thread. What creating a separate private forum would do for admins is provide a place where newer admins could ask questions, experienced admins could answer them, and new rules could be discussed before being brought to the larger community. That's it.

It really doesn't sound to me as though it would hamper the community from taking part in decision making.

[Christmas]

There are plans for a screening process for admins being put into place. Besides this, being an admin may be by paying money, sure, but in order to keep the tag, you must prove that you can handle the responsibility. Zero can revoke your admin privledges just as fast as you got them if you prove to be inept and unable to enforce server policy effectively. What about immature clan members? What about moderators who censor anything even remotely degredating to the clan? There are abuses in both camps that go unpunished, sure, but my point is that to infer that admins don't have any responsibilities in this community is a fallacy.

I never said that admins have NO responsibility. However they should not be given their own forum just because the clan members have them. Clan members are long-time regulars who have been voted to be the best of their peers. Admins are players who could have either just started playing in the IBIS servers or been here for years. They don't automatically provide more than the regulars just because they have admin status.


There are admins who are just as respected as some of the clan members on the servers. Sometimes there are admins who are more respected on the servers, they carry a responsibility to each player in the community. In fact, good admins bring in regulars faster than good clan members do. Beyond this, good admins being in new admins and monetary support for the community than good clan members do. We're much more visible.

There is no basis for this statement. Nothing to back it up.




This is easily done by providing a separate dedicated resource for admins. There's no need for the community to see what commands admins have access to, nor do they need to see examples of hacks and the like. These are things that admins are supposed to be watching out for constantly, I think if anything a dedicated forums would provide a better experience for the player if admins had ready access to this sort of information. I also think that there is no harm in creating a separate forum to provide this to admins in order to prevent cluttering up public forums with threads that the larger community has no interest in as a whole.

They can have ready access to this information if it is posted as a sticky. And this should be listed on the main site anyway.




You don't seem to understand my idea of what the admin forum would provide to the community. We wouldn't be secretly creating policies and creating a new world order, we would be coming up with ideas and fleshing them out and solidifying them a bit before bringing them to the public forum for final discussion. Beyond this, moderators would always have the option of moving any discussion to a public thread. What creating a separate private forum would do for admins is provide a place where newer admins could ask questions, experienced admins could answer them, and new rules could be discussed before being brought to the larger community. That's it.

It really doesn't sound to me as though it would hamper the community from taking part in decision making.

Regulars should be able to comment on any idea. They could provide an input than none of the admins are aware of which could be the only reason an idea takes off as a legitimate one. None of these "positives" you mentioned can only be done with a private section for admins. They can all be done publicly and should be.

Newer admins can also ask questions in the ADMIN HELP section. There doesn't need to be a private forum for them to ask questions. Once again REGULARS should be able to discuss any issue no matter if it is a new one or old one. They have as many good opinions as admins do.

[loka]

No. There is a section in the forums called "Admin Help" and not once have I seen many people use the forum to their advantage. Perhaps if you want to take admin seriously, post in that specific section before suggesting more empty areas.

Comparing that "well the clan has an area why can't we see it" section is so terrible. If you were ever part of a clan or a guild, there were somethings that you wanted to talk about concerning other members behaviors, or server issues that the clan would talk about. They are the clan and they make decisions that affect the community. I swear some people don't grasp the clan/community concept and think they are free to do whatever they want. Unfortunately communities come with their own base rules.

Create a freakin' steam community if you think the "communication" is that terrible.

[Fireye]

No. There is a section in the forums called "Admin Help" and not once have I seen many people use the forum to their advantage. Perhaps if you want to take admin seriously, post in that specific section before suggesting more empty areas.


The admin help section seems to be the best place to go for people to post asking for admin help, or admins posting about their issues with admin powers. Not for admins to find useful information. If it's intended to be used one way or the other, I'd like see a mod say so, instead of taking your interpretation as the absolutely correct one.

(I only see one useful admin thread on there, Zero's stickied "how to restart the server" topic.)

[loka]

What the hell do you need help with? Commands? Google.com. Need to find something? Search tab is up there I see. OR You can send ZERO a PM. I find that is the most effective way of getting my issue resolved.

[walterbrunswick]

Jesus Christ you people write a lot.

+1 Agree with Christmas, -1 Disapprove of Tragedy's idea. Admins and regularly are both an integrated part of the community so it would be redundant.

+1 to sticky help guides and procedures.

[OMGBEARS]

What the hell do you need help with? Commands? Google.com. Need to find something? Search tab is up there I see.

You really aren't adding anything by degrading others in this thread. We actually have some intelligent discourse going on, and we don't need you to ruin it with comments tinged with such awful sarcasm.

IBIS is really one of the few places where I've been where admins aren't actually apart of the clan and undergo no screening process before assuming the responsibilities of adminship. Then again, I'm relatively new to steam-based communities so that's on me. I've led guilds with anywhere from 50 tightly organized members to hundreds of members and you're right, there is always a group of players at the top who make the decisions and delegate out said decisions to the rest of the group.

My argument is that the benefit of having a private forums for admins would outway the work required to do so. At the very least, having a private place where new admins can ask dumb questions or admins can confront admins on abuse, away from the prying eyes of the greater community would be very convenient in my opinion. Likewise, not all admins have the mani admin command list bookmarked, or have an idea of where to look on how, exactly, to record a demo of a hacker, or what to look for before permanently banning members of the community. It's better to simply have one place where you can go for all of those things.

And hell, the Admin Help sub-forum could simply act as a launching point for the area. Also, if I remember correctly, Zero was at one point going to put a private admin-only section of the forums in ANYWAYS. I think it may still be on his docket.

[loka]

Actually it wasn't sarcasm. I was super cereal. Anyways, welcome to steam communities. Not the first place where admins were given admin with $$ and no application. It's actually 11 bucks a month to support the server not just for admin. Half of the admins didn't even bother to check the forums on their abuse. They would READ about it, but never bothered to check or defend aka I know I did something wrong, but I don't care. I don't care and I don't care to defend my actions.

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.

[Tragedy]

I don't pay $11 to search google for commands and find out information that way. Lets say admins were wanting to start going incognito and hide their "adminship" while playing to better catch hackers/spammers...blah blah. What are we going to do, post it out in the open on the forums? "Yeah guys I'm going to go under this name TEEHEE no one will know". 5 minutes later a regular comes in "you guys are idiots". OH NOES THEY KNOW.

I'm not one to degrade people but some of yalls opinions are pure ruh-tard quality.

Yeah, clan members might have been "around a while" or "more highly thought of" by SOME, but since when does them being in the clan mean they make all of the decisions around here? Yeah...admins PAY to get "leadership" on the servers, but there are a handful or more that have ideas that could easily benefit the IBIS servers and forums. You all make it seem that admins are worthless pieces of shit. "you pay to have this...you weren't chosen...all you can do is ban muahahaha". Why are some of you admins even admins if you don't want to help change/advance/progress the servers and forums? Do you really pay $11 a month just to save your asses from getting banned/punished and so you can pick on other people?

I will agree that most admins are morons and are hated by the community/clan members...w/e....but there are a bunch that help the community and can make a huge difference as well.


ZERO stated that he is going to be adding "Admin levels" and certain admins will be able to have certain privileges and some wont. Another thing that this section of the forums could be good for.

Also...it's not like the admins who are going to use this possible section are going to make huge decisions that are going to blow by clan members and ZERO.



In short...this will benefit the forums and severs more than it could hurt it ANY day. And not to mention, to all of you who know nothing about forums...this isn't going to place a larger burden or more stress on ZERO. It is VERY easy to add another section to a forum and limit it to certain people only. I have done it numerous times for my old WoW guilds forums and websites I was the GM/moderator of. Very simple.

[loka]

I don't pay $11 to search google for commands and find out information that way.

http://www.counter-strike.com/commands/mani_mod/

Have fun. You have clan members telling you no. Bad idea. End of story.

[Tragedy]

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.



^^the highest ranking admins and clan members can moderate this section. ZERO said he is about to give admins rank levels and the highest will have multiple privlidges that none of the others will have...and this can be one of them. I mean shit, there are like 10+ admins that are on the forums constantly throughout the day. I'm sure this part of the forum will be used very often. And who said it was just going to be a flame war? I think it will be a great area to access help, admin commands, discuss abuse, discuss regulars, people we need to watch, people we should convince to get admin (muahaha), and a shit load more.


http://www.counter-strike.com/commands/mani_mod/

Have fun. You have clan members telling you no. Bad idea. End of story.

Loka, I happen to know the commands thanks. I was making a point. Oh noes, 2 clan members said they don't think it should happen...that means it SHOULDN'T HAPPEN RIGHT?! Because clan members run this place right? The dozen other ppl who said yes don't mean shit right? Fucking think before you speak.

I really don't see how this can hurt anyone. Some of you might have a negative outlook towards it but when you think about it, it really CAN'T hurt anyone or anything to have this done. :banghead: get it through your skulls.

[OMGBEARS]

Secondly, your only looking for trouble on a section full of flame wars. Not "admin help" or anything like that. Whose going to police the admin thread? Regular admins? Or clan members? Can't be regular admins because then you'll have people crying about why they aren't forum admin on that section. Then initially if someone deleted a post, people would start crying much like they already do. In case you haven't noticed, a good percentile of this community are admins. You want an area? Create a steam community.

The current forum moderators would police the admin forums. Additionally senior admins could provide moderation if Zero saw fit. Essentially, anyone Zero feels comfortable with those powers would be able to use said powers.

The benefit of having a closed forum broken off from the general community is that there is less moderation needed. The officer forums in the guilds I've ran in the past have had no moderation needed. This is because people who have undergone a screening process and fit within pre-determined leadership qualities within the community can generally take criticism, as well as give it and not be complete assholes about it. I don't remember off-hand but I believe I mentioned the screening process in regards to admins. This would be an important thing to implement before using the section beyond a resource and q & a point of view. That being said, having a dedicated forum for those things wouldn't be some giant burden that would be unmanagable.


Thirdly, the area your talking about got debunked after a forum glitch.

I'm not entirely clear on what you mean by this. I remember Zero talking about an admin-only section in an earlier post of his. I'm not sure what a forum glitch would have to do with said forum.

[loka]

I don't like half the admins Tragedy. AKA Flame war. Start a steam community if your really that concerned. I don't want to be part of an "admin" section. I rather people discuss my "shitty admin ways" out in the open or ask me questions about a command directly. Not indirectly and hidden.

[walterbrunswick]

Christmas, NYS, ITB, and myself, and others, are telling you why this is a dumb idea.


Give it up already and stop being a dead horse.

If you want to have a "disguise party" you can do it in a Steam chat, or if you know what IRC is, get a client and join a channel with other IBIS clan members.

In fact, having an IRC channel for IBIS gaming would be a great idea.

http://www.mirc.com/

I propose that we use EFnet!

[Tragedy]

Okay, well I'm sure half of the admins don't like you as well. Hell I don't like half of them but I don't bash them. I know Fireye and myself have never had any issues with you before yet you come in here and BAM, whip out some attitude along with your responses and opinions.

If you don't want to be a part of it, then don't. Who cares? It would be for the people that would care to use it. Oh, and no one would be talking about you "indirectly or hidden" since you would technically have access to the admin only forums...lawlawlawl.

:chillpill:

[Hitman]

Hasn't this idea been shot down before? Granted that this idea has its positives, but in all honesty, why keep the community out of the dark. We are here to discuss and let everyone know whats going on. Otherwise Zero would have made one by now for us to use. This is just a waste of time tbh

[Tragedy]

Christmas, NYS, ITB, and myself, and others, are telling you why this is a dumb idea.


Give it up already and stop being a dead horse.

If you want to have a "disguise party" you can do it in a Steam chat, or if you know what IRC is, get a client and join a channel with other IBIS clan members.

In fact, having an IRC channel for IBIS gaming would be a great idea.

http://www.mirc.com/

I propose that we use EFnet!


and multiple are saying it is a good idea. Why do you find it necessary to repeat yourself when you already said it was a bad idea? You stated your opinion. The purpose of the rest of us repeating ourselves is because we are trying to make it work. Why are YOU repeating yourself? Would it bother you if there was such a thing on the forums? Nope. Being a dead-horse? Does that even make sense? I'm going to assume you meant "beating". Anyway...it's not a dead horse. A few people don't like it...and a few people do. This thread hasn't even been up for 24 hours, it's not a dead horse until ZERO says it is.

[loka]

lol. That's the problem. It's an opinion that goes against your idea, not attitude. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. I don't like your idea. Get over it. I will in 2 seconds.

[Scrubbleboo]

This thread is officially

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[Tragedy]

Hasn't this idea been shot down before? Granted that this idea has its positives, but in all honesty, why keep the community out of the dark. We are here to discuss and let everyone know whats going on. Otherwise Zero would have made one by now for us to use. This is just a waste of time tbh

I've said it before and I don't mind repeating myself. Why should the admins and community alike, be kept in the dark regarding the "clan member only" forums then? It's roughly the same thing....


lol. That's the problem. It's an opinion that goes against your idea, not attitude. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. I don't like your idea. Get over it. I will in 2 seconds.

I don't care about your opinion. It's the way you present yourself when trying to make points. You know damn well you have an attitude in half of the things you say.

[loka]

This thread is officially

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http://www.sneeko.net/images/macros/Misc-FuckOff.jpg

[loka]

I don't care about your opinion. It's the way you present yourself when trying to make points. You know damn well you have an attitude in half of the things you say.

Tragedy, unless you know me personally and have a real sense of who I am as a person, I suggest you not try to figure out whether I have an attitude or am laughing as I type. Seriously, the whole "figuring out your mood" over text is fucking hysterical.

Secondly, you just made my point. Unless it doesn't agree with yours fuck everyone elses. Pretty middle schoolish attitude there.

[Scrubbleboo]

http://www.sneeko.net/images/macros/Misc-FuckOff.jpg

I have nothing useful to say <3.

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[loka]

i have nothing useful to say <3.

http://www.snipe-hunt.com/imgsrc/nou_blackpig.jpg

kiss me you filthy pig!

[Tragedy]

Tragedy, unless you know me personally and have a real sense of who I am as a person, I suggest you not try to figure out whether I have an attitude or am laughing as I type. Seriously, the whole "figuring out your mood" over text is fucking hysterical.

Secondly, you just made my point. Unless it doesn't agree with yours fuck everyone elses. Pretty middle schoolish attitude there.

Well you took my first sentence wrong then. I meant that I don't care that you dislike the idea...as in...it doesn't bother me. I am not mad that you disagree. You silly goose.

[Fireye]

Screw you guys, I'm going home!

(Again, not that my vote matters, but having operated and moderated several forums in the past, a place for admins to dump information is very very helpful.)

[Tragedy]

Screw you guys, I'm going home!

(Again, not that my vote matters, but having operated and moderated several forums in the past, a place for admins to dump information is very very helpful.)

Why does your vote not matter? Hell...this is a section of the forums FOR admins and you are an....ADMIN!! I'm getting on GG, I better see you there.

[Jeimuzu]

I'm.. Going to close this now..

Zero has enough things to do, and regulars are sometimes as helpful, if not more than admins at times, seeing as they are often reliable witness, etc. Anything else can be dealt with in PMs.

[inthebutt]

you guys seriously need to stop saying why do the clan members get a private sections but admins don't.

it because everything an admin needs discuss should be seen by the entire community. just cause your a reg doesn't mean you should be excluded in posting in a thread just cause your not an admin.

an admin only section also will not cut back or stop the flaming, if anything it would only increase it.

clan members get our own private sections cause we have to be able to vote and talk about things among ourselves with out the interruption of off topic ideas.

if your dying to see what is in the clan only section so bad, become a clan member. its possible.

[ZERO]

An admin only section has been planned for 2 years now. It will be implemented after and with the new admin system as changes in the new system make having such a thing more reasonable. As for now one will not be made, but note that admin or not the clan members will have access and mod over it.