Sincere question

[Envy]

I have some questions and gripes that I need to voice.

1. What has changed so drastically with the server (GG) to cause the massive choke loss and tick rate loss?

2. Are we really allowing hidden recruitment on the servers?

These were the only relatively polite ones I could think of.

[washythebreaker]

1. I dont know. Maybe the server tick.

2. What do you mean by that? Like allowing people to recruit for their own clan on IBIS servers? If thats happening it should result in a ban..

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

2. Are we really allowing hidden recruitment on the servers?

Please explain. Who and what clan ?

[Envy]

Walter and crew with BSco. it's a rival community with a (currently down) Zombie mod server, and plans for a GG and WCS server mod.

I know some of those members prolly won't migrate perm to bsco. but having
Walter talk badly about the servers and community in game to new people irks me. I have said this to him and I will say it again, if you have such an issue cancel your admin and walk away. There are far too many servers out there to play on when yours is down, why stay here?

I have not heard of or seen Walter recruiting on server, but there are quite a few regulars on the server with their tag. Logic being when their server is running, they will be moving there.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/broolstoriesco

I may have personal issues with things, but that,s me and I don't hold anyone account on it. But I do like these servers (when they run right).

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

Walter and crew with BSco. it's a rival community with a (currently down) Zombie mod server, and plans for a GG and WCS server mod.

I know some of those members prolly won't migrate perm to bsco. but having
Walter talk badly about the servers and community in game to new people irks me. I have said this to him and I will say it again, if you have such an issue cancel your admin and walk away. There are far too many servers out there to play on when yours is down, why stay here?

I have not heard of or seen Walter recruiting on server, but there are quite a few regulars on the server with their tag. Logic being when their server is running, they will be moving there.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/broolstoriesco

I may have personal issues with things, but that,s me and I don't hold anyone account on it. But I do like these servers (when they run right).

that's really been bugging me as well. He keeps the recruiting to PM's but he is always talking bad about IBIS on chat and voice

[acolyte_to_jippity]

i demo him whenever i see him in game. he hasn't "recruited" yet though. just comes in, bitches about ibis, and leaves. you ask him to do some admin action (mute spammers, restart server, change map etc...) and he says "why would i care about ibis?"

i don't have any of the demos anymore. i delete them if he doesn't straight out recruit.

but as for his clan members, i doubt many will switch completely. they wear the tag but will still play on our servers often. i wear the [Zinta] tag, and when we get servers i'm not going to switch full time.

[Ren]

Chiming in my agreement.

I actually thought it was really odd that you're letting him still be an admin when he is creating a rival server/community modeled after Ibis, presumably to spite us.

If he wants to go full throttle with BSco, then he should go for it. But keeping him as an admin here seems counterintuitive.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

well, technically, he hasn't done anything to warrant the cancellation of his admin. as long as he keeps admin, but not using, (aka "donating") he's helping to support the clan/servers he apparently hates.

lol. in fact, i'd remove his admin powers, except for like, mute and shit that doesn't screw with everyone. that way, if he ever goes dog brother on us, we'll have a server full of muted folks and not much else...while we still get his 11$/month.

[ChronicVT]

I was under the impression that recruiting was not premissable... I do not even notice any ibis members recruiting for ibis clan... people naturally play, ingross, then join... like human nature to want to belong... I have (sigh) heard walter talk about other clans... usually he is drunk or drugged up (least you can tell when his moods change)... besides he and his slim crew of dedicated followers are constantly speaking of starting another server... I took it as idle chatter from less than motivated people... if they really wanted to have another server, they'd have more than just a steam page...

I do not play GG as much as I should... my human nautre draws my attention to WCS... but that does not mean I do not get asked to go into GG to deal with hackers, spammers, and genuinely dick head players... and that goes for ZM also... And even the short time I am there... the lag spikes seem to happen around knife fights, mostly towards the end of the fight... more seldom, but still occurring, this happens during a gun fight... and I don't mean the one shot to the head fights that kill you before even pull the trigger even though you had all the time in the world to debate that you reacted first, before actually reacting gun fights either... so I just chalked it up to playing too much on WCServer, which plays much differently...

[acolyte_to_jippity]

lol. they did have another server...it's no longer up. for some reason, something happened w/ the rental.

[ChronicVT]

Well maybe they should all pool the money they use to purchase admin on ibis and pay there and play there instead... problem solved... then they will be treated as common noobs when they come back and treated accordingly to how the behave, subject to kicks, bans and even removal from steam...

"The hardest part of any problem is the easy part to any solution" ~ My fifth grade Mathematics Teacher (at least I believe that is what she said, I was too busy thinking of all the naughty things I would do to her 22 year old... ooops is this mic still on...) CLICK!

[Ren]

Too many ellipses in this thread. It's making me rage.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Too many ellipses in this thread. It's making me rage.

...there's like...4.

chill ren...you're scaring us.

[Ren]

...there's like...4.

chill ren...you're scaring us.

Stop...That... Acolyte...

(It's actually more difficult to read paragraphs with ellipses in place of periods because you make the pauses longer in your mind--thus the reading goes more slowly.)

[ZERO]

When I had one of my late night surprise rape sessions the other nights and pwned the server for 15min I did not notice any lag problems at all and the server was almost full. Are you sure you were getting 100fps and that your rates are properly configured for 100tick? Also are you sure there was not a lot of people with over 100ping on. One or two of these guys is fine but when there gets to be a few of them it can cause lag as everyone is waiting for them. This is seen in the headshot issue you stated, the person who killed you usually has lower ping than you do and thus gets the kill. When the players are shooting each other the server actually goes back and forth though time to determine where the players were and thus create a no latency environment that is always balanced toward low ping. In addition the engine takes into account order of shots but only does so after you finish shooting.

So for example:
You and other guy shoot eachother at the same exact time even when compensated for lag.
You both kill eachother with the first shot.
Who ever stops shooting first gets the kill
Kill will not be computed until both finish shooting (this part is where the lag you see occurs)


Also that is interesting what you say about Walter. What he is doing is not currently against the rules but is an exploitation of the spirit of them. I think I should update the rules to include the malicious spread of dissidence in order to rally support for a competing entity.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

well, zero, what are our rates supposed to be for wcs? i'll change mine to those because i used to get almost no lag on gg or zm as well, except for map lag of course. when my windows account got corrupted, and i had to reinstall cs, that might have restored the default rates.

[Curdy]

only thing i heard walter moan about was holy dart and okinawa

[Andrew_Pavlik]

I've had the server address PM'd to me, but it wasn't walter.

[Envy]

My rates are rate 30000 cl_cmdrate 100 cl_updaterate 101 which is The correct setting for 100 tick servers.

I usually ping from 15-20 on the server also, I turn off all my msn and things too to make sure there is very little interruption.

I'll take a demo for you and post it.


I hear a lot of walter smack talk 'cause he doesn't like me, I'm out spoken and don't put up with peoples shit much. Ask the GG crew :3

[OMGBEARS]

I have the BSCo. tag on (finally after much prodding) however will I be leaving once their servers are up and running? No. Walter is a friend and I wear the tag in support of his efforts, as he has put a lot into what he's doing with his clan. If I get an extra $9-$11 a month will I support his servers monetarily? Yes.

I would chill out about him wanting to destroy IBIS; it's not his goal. He simply doesn't agree with how the community is organized and ran. As a result, he wants to create his own place where he can make the rules and run the community accordingly. The bulk of people following him to BSCo. are people who feel the same way about IBIS. There's nothing any of us can do to stop them, and I would say that IBIS will be more like-minded once the switch actually happens. IBIS regulars will still be IBIS regulars and IBIS admins are going to still be IBIS admins. The community will be largely unchanged.

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

I would chill out about him wanting to destroy IBIS

The road to hell is paved with good intentions?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I have the BSCo. tag on (finally after much prodding) however will I be leaving once their servers are up and running? No. Walter is a friend and I wear the tag in support of his efforts, as he has put a lot into what he's doing with his clan. If I get an extra $9-$11 a month will I support his servers monetarily? Yes.

I would chill out about him wanting to destroy IBIS; it's not his goal. He simply doesn't agree with how the community is organized and ran. As a result, he wants to create his own place where he can make the rules and run the community accordingly. The bulk of people following him to BSCo. are people who feel the same way about IBIS. There's nothing any of us can do to stop them, and I would say that IBIS will be more like-minded once the switch actually happens. IBIS regulars will still be IBIS regulars and IBIS admins are going to still be IBIS admins. The community will be largely unchanged.

i agree completely. he's free to do what he wills. but he shouldn't be coming into our servers and bitching about them. he needs to grow the fuck up. if he doesn't lkike ibis' servers, then he doesn't have to come over. but quite simply, what he's doing is bullshit. he pops in, bitches, and leaves.

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

i agree completely. he's free to do what he wills. but he shouldn't be coming into our servers and bitching about them. he needs to grow the fuck up. if he doesn't lkike ibis' servers, then he doesn't have to come over. but quite simply, what he's doing is bullshit. he pops in, bitches, and leaves.

Well that's the thing he isn't doing it every time. Sometimes he joins and stays for like 2 hours without complaining at all, even doing his job(I think this is when he's actually drunk lol). He only joins and complains when he's on his period.

But definitely, he needs to stop the QQing about IBIS as an admin playing, it doesn't look good for your clan either way.

Someone earlier mentioned you should limit his admin power, I think that should be done across the board anyway.

[Spasm]

First off let me say that I think that walter is fun to play with. I have no idea why he does not like IBIS. I am almost curious as to why he does not like IBIS. I have played my fair share of servers and this group is the best I have found. Admin abuse is hardly ever a problem, and if it is, it is dealt with accordingly. The servers run as great imo, yea it has hiccups but so does every server. My one and only complaint would be that some maps just need to be removed from the line up and maybe some fresh ones added, which for some reason they are not changed, even after several complaints. (wink wink ZERO!). I have not personally seen him recruit anyone in game. I have heard him complain about the server though, a few times at that. I do think that if he does not truly support IBIS he should not be an admin, regardless of the 11 bucks a month. No company or organization would allow someone the right to manage their organization if they did not truly support the organization, regardless if they are paying money to have that power. Ne ways thats my two cents.

[ChronicVT]

I have the BSCo. tag on (finally after much prodding) however will I be leaving once their servers are up and running? No. Walter is a friend and I wear the tag in support of his efforts, as he has put a lot into what he's doing with his clan. If I get an extra $9-$11 a month will I support his servers monetarily? Yes.

I would chill out about him wanting to destroy IBIS; it's not his goal. He simply doesn't agree with how the community is organized and ran. As a result, he wants to create his own place where he can make the rules and run the community accordingly. The bulk of people following him to BSCo. are people who feel the same way about IBIS. There's nothing any of us can do to stop them, and I would say that IBIS will be more like-minded once the switch actually happens. IBIS regulars will still be IBIS regulars and IBIS admins are going to still be IBIS admins. The community will be largely unchanged.


I do not believe that Walter could destroy ibis nor is he... the fact though, is that he is recruiting through ibis servers (as previously stated) and it is this discontent for ibis servers and the lack of respect for the server he and his lackey's have mostly started with... Go Walter... Take your discontent, your list of friends acquired from ibis and Steam, and move on... word of mouth from your server... but as a regular or if you decide to stay here with us at ibis Gaming... show us our just respects...

"Treat others as they have treated you, cuz Ladies the jelly it's just for bread anymore" ~Shawinna Jackson, Stripper I befriended through a former girlfriend... ahh Shaw....!

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

i agree with with walter about the zm, but the GG, PUB and WCS are good and active.

I personally think the zm server is shit now, but hey maybe walter's could actually be better when he's got it ready to go.

[washythebreaker]

I personally like Walter, he atleast still comes in the IBIS server to admin sometimes but is angry because he has to leave his BSCo server.. and it isnt really a rivalry, hes just recruiting.

[Envy]

hes just recruiting.


Recruiting is a no no on these servers. He isn't openly recruiting but he still is.
I've been here through the SGC and SMUT break-offs, both times I lost play time with some of the best people on these servers IMO. I don't want to see it happen again honestly.

[mag36]

Walter is going to be Walter, and Im not sure if I call it recruiting, if you look at his friends list he has 245 friends and I know 45 of them are my friends too and all from Ibis. Like any friend you will support them even if you don't quite agree with everything. Im in the BSCo list cause I was asked and I don't mind playing with a few friends on his zm server every once in a while, but i still love the ibis servers, zm doesn't quite have the fell as it used to be but i think most of the old regulars dont play it much anymore.

I play whatever sever where my friends are to have a good time. And lately thats been GunGame for me.

Far as I know Walter still does his job as admin and if he still wants to pay for ibis.a I say let him.

But I don't where clan tags I like being my own individual and your not a regular if you don't know the people in the community

[OMGBEARS]

I've never seen Walter recruit through IBIS servers. Any communication with me has been through steam friends.

Some of you have to realize that Walter has been apart of this community for a long time and the bulk of his friends are IBIS regulars. Some recruiting will happen with IBIS regulars because they are his friends. There's nothing wrong with that. Likewise, some of you are blowing this up beyond what it really is. If you were to take admin away or limit the powers of every admin who has complained about IBIS you wouldn't be looking at many admins left. The only ones that haven't complained are in the clan. Largely because the clan only recruits like-minded individuals from the community-at-large.

Regardless, we all have our issues with how things are run, no matter how small, and simply because Walter is more vocal doesn't mean much. People from GG complain about ZMod, and vice-versa; people who play Pub complain about WCS, and vice versa, and ever combination thereafter. This isn't new. IBIS regulars complain about other servers, should we start banning anyone who complains publicly against our servers? I know a lot of clan members who have complained about ZMod. Does this mean we should ban them, too?

I will continue to improve the community whether or not Walter does BSCo. will all of you? Chill out, peoples.

[Spasm]

I've never seen Walter recruit through IBIS servers. Any communication with me has been through steam friends.

Some of you have to realize that Walter has been apart of this community for a long time and the bulk of his friends are IBIS regulars. Some recruiting will happen with IBIS regulars because they are his friends. There's nothing wrong with that. Likewise, some of you are blowing this up beyond what it really is. If you were to take admin away or limit the powers of every admin who has complained about IBIS you wouldn't be looking at many admins left. The only ones that haven't complained are in the clan. Largely because the clan only recruits like-minded individuals from the community-at-large.

Regardless, we all have our issues with how things are run, no matter how small, and simply because Walter is more vocal doesn't mean much. People from GG complain about ZMod, and vice-versa; people who play Pub complain about WCS, and vice versa, and ever combination thereafter. This isn't new. IBIS regulars complain about other servers, should we start banning anyone who complains publicly against our servers? I know a lot of clan members who have complained about ZMod. Does this mean we should ban them, too?

I will continue to improve the community whether or not Walter does BSCo. will all of you? Chill out, peoples.

Regardless of who complains about a server, an admin should never have another agenda at hand. Thats what I am saying. Do you think McDonalds would want a manager that works there, but owns a Burger King? It is like conflict of interest or whatever, should not be, but that is just my opinion.

[OMGBEARS]

Regardless of who complains about a server, an admin should never have another agenda at hand. Thats what I am saying. Do you think McDonalds would want a manager that works there, but owns a Burger King? It is like conflict of interest or whatever, should not be, but that is just my opinion.

This is a gaming community. There is often a lot of overlap in terms of members. For instance: I'm apart of IBIS, Conspiracy, BSCo., and NSP gaming communities just to name a few. I'm the leader of the NSP community, does that mean that I have conflicting interests? No. I simply have a lot of people I play games with. I want to monetarily support IBIS servers, should I not be able to because I'm involved in other communities?

When there's money involved it's a different story, a la McDonalds and Burger King. And besides, people have been complaining about IBIS without having agendas for a long time, now.

[washythebreaker]

Recruiting is a no no on these servers.

Yeah I kinda figured considering i'm the one that answered your question telling you its a No no. All I said was he was recruiting I did NOT say whatsoever that it was acceptable on IBIS servers, honostly i dont even know where I am going with this. But I respect the fact that Walter atleast has his own clan now and completely has nothing to do with IBIS anymore but he still spends his time leaving HIS OWN SERVER to come in baby sit in IBIS. I think thats pretty respectful if you ask me. You guys shouldnt even be crying about if he is recruiting or not on the ibis servers. If you want something done, go buy admin and ban him yourself, no1 is stopping you.

[Ren]

This is a gaming community. There is often a lot of overlap in terms of members. For instance: I'm apart of IBIS, Conspiracy, BSCo., and NSP gaming communities just to name a few. I'm the leader of the NSP community, does that mean that I have conflicting interests? No. I simply have a lot of people I play games with. I want to monetarily support IBIS servers, should I not be able to because I'm involved in other communities?


Yes, but you don't come in just to bitch about IBIS. Simply being a member of two communities isn't a problem. I'd say a very large chunk of us are members of more than one community.

Honestly, this is probably just what happens. If a server/community is big or popular enough, you get breakaways that think, "HEY, THIS LOOKS EASY! I could make an even better one!"

Nothing significant comes of it--I just think it makes IBIS look a little weak to have their own admins bitching about the community. When I was pissed about IBIS, I just left for a month or two. Time does wonders.

[washythebreaker]

I agree with you Ren, I do believe most admins bitch about stupid shit, hence why I dont play with ibis.a's. :wtg:

[walterbrunswick]

Thank you for the entertainment. I had many lulz! :icon_mrgreen:

[Kavinsky]

another waste of time just close this thread already.

[Ren]

Thank you for the entertainment. I had many lulz! :icon_mrgreen:

You're thanking us for the entertainment? I bow to you, good sir.

[ZERO]

Considering that the traffic on the ZM server is at its highest in 2 years I do not think it is going anywhere. However yes as always there are many things that need to be updated. Once I get back from vacation there will be time to do map updates and I need to make a more clearly defined system for how people can ensure that I am keeping track of there requests. I also plan on beginning the work on upgrading us to the new web site when I get back and that will open up some new options for how to coordinate information.

[walterbrunswick]

You're thanking us for the entertainment? I bow to you, good sir.

Oh please, you're too kind.

It was nothing, really.

*prepares to give Oscar speech*

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

Oh please, you're too kind.

It was nothing, really.

*prepares to give Oscar speech*

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc207/joeshmoelb/633534864162326883-CanadianGirlsDon.jpg

[Ren]

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn156/kbluebird/bottom_Mope.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn156/kbluebird/waltermope2.jpg


All right, Ninja, our posts will be deleted in 3... 2.......

[Kavinsky]

Zero are you planning on making a separate zm for cade maps anytime soon? the current settings for the zombies only work on escape maps.

[walterbrunswick]

You people are too much...

[walterbrunswick]

I personally think the zm server is shit now, but hey maybe walter's could actually be better when he's got it ready to go.

Naturally. We should rename it to "Best Servers & Brool Stories Co." ... BS^2Co. :icon_mrgreen:

[Fireye]

Naturally. We should rename it to "Best Servers & Brool Stories Co." ... BS^2Co. :icon_mrgreen:


BS²Co, fixxed for ya. ALT+0178 == ²

[Curdy]

you know what i thought BSco meant when i first saw it?

Bull Shit Company

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

you know what i thought BSco meant when i first saw it?

Bull Shit Company

^ this is exactly what I thought haha

[maynard]

...wait... so what does it stand for?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

...wait... so what does it stand for?

Brool Stories, Cock Orally

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

I do not even notice any ibis members recruiting for ibis clan...

If anyone is in the server I'm on, usually GG, they will most definitely hear me say and type quite frequently and especially when someone asks about rules or joining or a multitude of other things, please go to IBISgaming.com, register for the forums, and voice your opinion, make an application, or just plain say HI on our boards.

So I consider that, actively recruiting, or as close to it as any that I have ever seen.

While I agree that if one does not see a tag on a player and the observer is a member of IBIS, they should make an effort to open a dialogue with that person to try to get them on board.

I have recruited WAY more than I'd care to remember for the guilds that I was either leader of or an officer of on EQ and WOW and while I'm not complaining, I don't see that happening with IBIS members and IMHO it should.

/rant off

EDIT

PS I can also think of a few of the newer admins that I am either directly or indirectly responsible for as of late so add that to my above statement

[Hitman]

People have tried this before. LS and a few other clans broke off of IBIS and started their own community to rival IBIS. In the end everyone came back with their heads stuck up their ass. If he wants to be a limp dick cocksucker whos using the popularity of IBIS community to get some people for his server, then by all means go and prove what your loyalty is. By him doing this just proves what a total deuchebag he is.


And he wonders why people make fun of him...

[OMGBEARS]

I get a feeling that this thread is because it's Walter, and not because of any good reason.

There are frequently other people who come on our servers with other clan tags who come in and complain about the server. Complaining about the server is a regular occurrence and really has nothing to do with affiliations to a clan or community. I really think the main thing is that Walter has always been a vocal and somewhat controversial member of the IBIS community, and now people are grabbing hold of his newest controversy and holding on for dear life. Drama is pretty addicting, I'll give you guys that. But is it really that big of a deal? IBIS isn't going anywhere.

[Ren]

There are frequently other people who come on our servers with other clan tags who come in and complain about the server.

But they aren't IBIS admins. I think that's the basis for the complaint.

[maynard]

But they aren't IBIS admins. I think that's the basis for the complaint.

true that

[acolyte_to_jippity]

But they aren't IBIS admins. I think that's the basis for the complaint.

although technically, walter isn't either. ibis admins aren't those who pay 11$/month. they aren't the ones who have "admin powers" or "admin immunity". those are just side effects/related to being an ibis admin. ibis admins are those who try to keep order on the servers, through reporting people or taing direct action if able.

mag is essentialy an admin w/out actually having admin powers. he can call in any number of paying "powered" admins to deal w/ problems if they arise. walter, however, does NOTHING. the only times he's actually done his job and used his admin powers to help the ibis servers recently was when he was drunk. the one night we had horrible mic spammers on, he came in to bitch (like normal) and i and several others asked him to mute the spamers. he basically said "fuck no, why should i? i don't give a shit about these servers"

walter isn't an admin. he has the powers, but they do not actually mean anything if he doesn't enforce server rules and actually help the community.


walter doesn't give a fuck about ibis or our servers anymore. it's as simple as that.

[Ren]

walter doesn't give a fuck about ibis or our servers anymore. it's as simple as that.

I agree with most of what you said except for that part. Mag certainly is like an admin in his ability to call up people to take care of mic spammers, hackers, etc. Walter is like the woman who keeps coming back to the abusive husband (i.e. IBIS). Can't tear himself away...

[StarsMine]

I agree with most of what you said except for that part. Mag certainly is like an admin in his ability to call up people to take care of mic spammers, hackers, etc. Walter is like the woman who keeps coming back to the abusive husband (i.e. IBIS). Can't tear himself away...

+ mutha fucking 1 :horse:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

but ren, he really doesn't care. he doesn't do anything to enforce anything. just bitches and moans about how ibis servers suck.

he's like the opposite of me. i enforce the rules as if i was an admin, w/out the powers to do anything other than call in people that can. if no one's available, i do everything i can to enforce as if there was. In one case, this fucker was tking on pub. no admins were on steam (that i had in friends) and so the only think i could do was keep egging him on and trying to get him to attack me and not the other teamates. he killed me and i slayed. three more rounds of this and he got banned by console.

walter, however, would just do absolutely nothing to stop it...unless he was drunk of course.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

but ren, he really doesn't care. he doesn't do anything to enforce anything. just bitches and moans about how ibis servers suck.

he's like the opposite of me. i enforce the rules as if i was an admin, w/out the powers to do anything other than call in people that can. if no one's available, i do everything i can to enforce as if there was. In one case, this fucker was tking on pub. no admins were on steam (that i had in friends) and so the only think i could do was keep egging him on and trying to get him to attack me and not the other teamates. he killed me and i slayed. three more rounds of this and he got banned by console.

walter, however, would just do absolutely nothing to stop it...unless he was drunk of course.

He's also a pedobear too. :icon_mrgreen:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

He's also a pedobear too. :icon_mrgreen:

...dude.

not helping.

[Ren]

Yes, acolyte, but he's drunk more often than not, so.......

(I have seriously never seen anyone that drinks that much in my life.)

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

...dude.

not helping.

And you are ? No one important. Yeah that's right.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

And you are ? No one important. Yeah that's right.

on topic at least


i'd rather be non-important than be an abusive jackass

[walterbrunswick]

Yes, acolyte, but he's drunk more often than not, so.......

(I have seriously never seen anyone that drinks that much in my life.)

One of my reasons is dealing with IBIS bullshit for 2 years.

You new people are funny. Yourself, aco, and the others who defend IBIS so faithfully. You come in here and immediately defend IBIS without knowing about the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes, or the history of this gaming community.

I'm one of the *last* few regulars that have stuck around IBIS since 2 years ago. And I'm bailing soon too.

Honestly Ren, shove it up your ass.


on topic at least


i'd rather be non-important than be an abusive jackass

You also suck dick very well.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

One of my reasons is dealing with IBIS bullshit for 2 years.

You new people are funny. Yourself, aco, and the others who defend IBIS so faithfully. You come in here and immediately defend IBIS without knowing about the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes, or the history of this gaming community.

I'm one of the *last* few regulars that have stuck around IBIS since 2 years ago. And I'm bailing soon too.

Honestly Ren, shove it up your ass.


can't come soon enough. i know plenty of bullshit around here. including, several clan members. but walter, if it is as bad as you say, why are you still here?

[StarsMine]

can't come soon enough. i know plenty of bullshit around here. including, several clan members. but walter, if it is as bad as you say, why are you still here?

He is waiting for the straw to break his back

[washythebreaker]

Can everybody calm down like jesus christ this is getting annoying... all of you talking shit to Walter I bet you are all actually 12 year olds that sit in the basement all day.

Fucking trolls stfu, not to be Walters bitch or anything but this was meant to be a question asking about recruitment on IBIS servers not some thread to yell at walter like little bitches.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Can everybody calm down like jesus christ this is getting annoying... all of you talking shit to Walter I bet you are all actually 12 year olds that sit in the basement all day.

Fucking trolls stfu, not to be Walters bitch or anything but this was meant to be a question asking about recruitment on IBIS servers not some thread to yell at walter like little bitches.

washy, i'm in college.

however i will agree. this topic has come quite far off of it's original course.

for that i apologize.

[Hitman]

One of my reasons is dealing with IBIS bullshit for 2 years.

You new people are funny. Yourself, aco, and the others who defend IBIS so faithfully. You come in here and immediately defend IBIS without knowing about the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes, or the history of this gaming community.

I'm one of the *last* few regulars that have stuck around IBIS since 2 years ago. And I'm bailing soon too.

Honestly Ren, shove it up your ass.



You also suck dick very well.


SO GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY!

What the fuck are you still doing here?

You brought all this bullshit on yourself. You drink worse than the god damn polish Nation does and you make an asshole out of yourself...and you don't think people will make fun of you? You let them.

You hate our servers then don't play and attempt to make your own servers, but it will be very funny when you come back and then it will be worse. You can change your name whatever but your habits will never change so we will know who you are..

YOUR A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!

My 2 cents....love you all going back to Final Fantasy XIII

[acolyte_to_jippity]

SO GET THE FUCK OUT ALREADY!

What the fuck are you still doing here?

You brought all this bullshit on yourself. You drink worse than the god damn polish Nation does and you make an asshole out of yourself...and you don't think people will make fun of you? You let them.

You hate our servers then don't play and attempt to make your own servers, but it will be very funny when you come back and then it will be worse. You can change your name whatever but your habits will never change so we will know who you are..

YOUR A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!

My 2 cents....love you all going back to Final Fantasy XIII

...wow. that was original dude.

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[loka]

This falls under advertising. Doesn't matter if it's not being shown through the text log. The fact that people have heard it coming out of the mouths of people VIA voice communication and basically promoting another entity that wants to be identical to the other.

I'm not sure why people get upset and try to pull explanations and argue "we're not trying to compete" but the reality is YOU ARE. So really, stop cheapening the excuse your not trying to compete and that your only offering more fun, no bullshit, stable or better gaming servers. There is a million servers and communities that want to offer the same pitch. It's called COMPETING against each other.

No one is forcing you to stay, walter. In fact, I know people here would probably be gladly that you take yourself, and the immaturity and skank parade you attract out of IBIS. No one forced you to spend 264 dollars or whatever in supporting the servers. No one twisted your arm to stay and no one is holding you down. We're not going to ask you to stay nor are we going to show some sort of sympathetic attitude towards your credulous behavior. You display it very well with your drunken stupors on the servers, and it is very well open for everyone to ridicule. So -1 for thinking your behavior is not to be pried upon.

Every gaming community has it's own bullshit, so I honestly say "lol good luck with trying to create a gaming community with no bullshit." I've been gaming since I was 12. The bullshit is everywhere. A gaming community and clan is public and they can come up with their own rules and regulations like it or not. Rude or respectful. Like it or leave it. Clearly you have grown to just stay and whine like an infantile.

As for washy, dude your new. The thread actually was created to bring awareness to whatever walter has been doing on the IBIS servers. Considering Envy created a thread months back and it got deleted for some odd reason (probably to avoid flaming considering he mentioned the person), but now it's out in the open and prevalent, so -1 for trying to diffuse or call people trolls when the issue was at hand way before you popped your head into a loose vagina.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

loka i actually began to have some small, small ammount of respect for you...but your attack on washy made sure that didn't happen. washy was right. this thread and the flaming has gotten way out of hand. i apologize for my part in it. walter just really pisses me off.

you, however, attacked someone for trying to bring the thread back on course. here's envy's original post:


I have some questions and gripes that I need to voice.

1. What has changed so drastically with the server (GG) to cause the massive choke loss and tick rate loss?

2. Are we really allowing hidden recruitment on the servers?

These were the only relatively polite ones I could think of.

not once did it mention walter. now, people took it as meaning walter, and that's fine. but the thread degraded into simple flaming and trolling on both sides. washy tried to stop said flaming and name-calling. he was trying to get people to answer the original question. and, in fact, said question has pretty much been answered so this was just a flame thread.

you have no business going off at washy. nor, do you have any way of knowing if envy made the thread "to bring awareness to whatever walter has been doing on the IBIS servers" unless you're inside envy's mind. shut the fuck up and go back to your angry, miserable life.

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[loka]

No. Envy's FIRST original post back A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO was a condescending remark that got deleted a couple of months ago. It stated in not so exact words "walter has created a clan within IBIS regulars" with a similar title based on the message. The minute I saw the message of this post, I knew he was trying to rehash this without putting walters name as the title.

If you think "i went off" on a grown person then let him defend himself. This thread was created to bring light of something that no one in IBIS wanted to be put in general discussions, but rather within their own ranks. So essentially, stfu aco. Instead of trying to be a fucking know it all within these few months (which is probably why you have clan members who don't like you), perhaps you should know what has been happening BEFORE opening your mouth. I saw the original thread Envy posted, and it probably has irked him since.

[Rapedollar$]

ah cloud.... <3 your ragetasticness... also i dont care if thats not a word...

you too loka <3 gg hitting the nail on the head.

walter, i really dont harbor any ill feelings toward you or your community, but if you drink that much because of an online community based around a game... go get counseling dude.. for serious. coming from a guy who dealt with alcoholism, get help.

as for the hidden recruitment issue, the only real way we could stop "hidden recruitment" would be to ban the other community completely, from servers and forums. even if they dont actually advertise on the server, they can meet people and recruit them through steam friends, groups, etc. so realistically we cant stop it.

but blatant advertising, call me... ill ban a bitch...

[OMGBEARS]

as for the hidden recruitment issue, the only real way we could stop "hidden recruitment" would be to ban the other community completely, from servers and forums. even if they dont actually advertise on the server, they can meet people and recruit them through steam friends, groups, etc. so realistically we cant stop it.

but blatant advertising, call me... ill ban a bitch...

My sentiments, exactly.

We'll have to start banning everyone who logs onto our servers with another clan tag if we want to prevent any "hidden recruitment."

Walter is still here on the forums because it's a force of habit, most likely. It's difficult to break these things since he's been on here for so long. Hell, in the morning I go on auto pilot: 1) Get Coffee, 2) Check Email, 3) Do the rounds of my gaming forums 4) ???? 5) Shower. It's my routine.

But seriously, the trolling has gone from "lol?" to "wtf" in about 5 pages. Chill out, guys. IBIS isn't going anywhere. It really isn't. Some people are using this thread as an opportunity to spew every pent up feeling about Walter they've had over the years they have known him, and it's gotten old quick.

Cloud, you especially are vomiting out of your mouth, and don't make much sense other than "I HATE WALTER BLAH BLAH BLAH." Get over him, man. It's okay. I know you'll miss him, but really; calm down.

[XxMastagunzxX]

Walter quit advertising...as for the flaming....who gives a shit....:cheer:

[OMGBEARS]

Honestly I don't know if some people knew about Walters deal before this thread came along.

IBIS should quit advertising for him if we are really worried about this.

[washythebreaker]

I have seen people wearing the (BSCo.) and Ibis.A tag doesnt that fall into advertising?

Acolyte, I love you. I wasnt trying to be a douche to you.. i respect many people in IBIS but hey its the internet and of course there is the few that you just want to punch in the face through your monitor. :rant:

[walterbrunswick]

I have severely cut down on my alcohol consumption.

I have a job now, I'm trying to get BSCo. rolling, and I've got my sights on this girl at work, so alcohol is not exactly welcome in the picture.

loka, Envy is just a jackass and I know he hates me. However it wasn't a "COUPLE MONTHS AGO." And you do a great job of spreading the bullshit you talk about. Hypocrite much?

And to those people who can see clearly through the smoke and the fog, I thank you. You know who you are.

[mastercheff]

Flame wars in da hizz house.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

V81lc50dlMM

If that's not gay then I don't know what is.....:lmao:

[Fireye]

All I see is embaressing whiteboy dancing and amazingly poor choice of music. Nothing really gay here.

[Envy]

Loka you're right I did make a thread, Wasn't a couple months ago though prolly about one. It was deleted by the time I'd gotten up that afternoon about 7hrs later and I did say WTF. It has irked me but I also see why it was done to a point. It was flaming right off the bat.

Walter the fact that you think I'm a jackass shows how VERY VERY little you know me. Grow up, I hear quite a bit about you w/o ever talking to you. It reminds me of a middle school drama in an adult body.

I am crass. I am politically incorrect. I hold EVERY SINGLE PERSON who joins the IBIS servers while I am there to the SAME rules. I don't make new ones as I see fit, my friends may get more leniency on them but that's just human nature. YOU don't seem to like me because I expect you to follow the rules too.

I reiterate that EVERYONE is held to the SAME rules while I'm playing. If I join and there's an admin there and I want a map change, I ASK. It's simple, they say no I deal. The seniority rule is there for a reason, if a clan member joins after I'll ask them for map votes etc. I may seem harsh, some days I may be, again that's human nature.

[Steamer]

What a fucking joke... This kind of thread brings back memories... :spin:

[washythebreaker]

All I see is embaressing whiteboy dancing and amazingly poor choice of music. Nothing really gay here.

hey that song is good.

[Envy]

Also someone posted that people wearing a clan tag in etc is kinda hidden recruitment, it is to a point. What I am stating here is that this recruitment is TARGETED as IBIS regulars, not just random people.

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

Hey, can we get back on track of the actual reason for this thread please?

BTW, Fire, I see no clan tag that is really full time so can I get you to go to the app section and make out an app to IBIS?

I think that you'd be a good addition... :wtg:

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

All I see is embaressing whiteboy dancing and amazingly poor choice of music. Nothing really gay here.

Thats Walter.The guy singing the song is a flaming fag too. :wtg:

[OMGBEARS]

I reiterate that EVERYONE is held to the SAME rules while I'm playing.

Walter isn't breaking any rules with what he's doing. The term "hidden recruitment" is really ambiguous and really can't be used to create a rule that wouldn't just bar all people other than those with <ibis> after their names from playing on our servers. You don't like Walter because he's Walter, not because he's breaking any rules; again, he's not.


The seniority rule is there for a reason, if a clan member joins after I'll ask them for map votes etc. I may seem harsh, some days I may be, again that's human nature.

Being in the clan does not grant instant seniority on the server. It's about which admin logged onto the server first. The only people who get automatic senior admin are ZERO and Jigsaw.

[Envy]

Being in the clan does not grant instant seniority on the server. It's about which admin logged onto the server first. The only people who get automatic senior admin are ZERO and Jigsaw.

You're wrong on this, a clan member supersedes longest connected to the server.

My dislike of Walter does not factor into this.
I would have made this thread had I seen anyone else start recruiting regulars on this server.
I have yet to meet a clan member I can do little more then tolerate. I have not ever and have no plans of applying to IBIS for clan membership. I disagree with how they seemingly uphold themselves. These are all personal things. I play and enjoy these servers because of my friends on them and how (until recently) well they played.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Being in the clan does not grant instant seniority on the server. It's about which admin logged onto the server first. The only people who get automatic senior admin are ZERO and Jigsaw.

Hey jerky. PM Zero about seniority and you'll get your answer.

Originally Posted by ZERO View Post
You actually do not but it is fine for you all to be above the normal admins when it comes to seniority especially as that is how it has played out anyways. Let me know if I need to tell anyone this.

[StarsMine]

Also someone posted that people wearing a clan tag in etc is kinda hidden recruitment, it is to a point. What I am stating here is that this recruitment is TARGETED as IBIS regulars, not just random people.

Considering many of his steam freinds that play counter strike are also ibis regulars, it cant be helped, he will recruit out of game indiscriminately but it would appear we are the targets.

Envy, clan membership means nothing about superseding senior admin. only high ranking clan mambers do like zero jigsaw, enzo, and some other guy idk.

Walter has done nothing wrong, whilst what he did/does breaks the spirit of the rules to some degree, he has by no means broken an actual rule.

[Envy]

I don't think I said he DID break rules...

It's the concept of the matter, Had it been say KAZEE or Kamikaze Ninja I would have reported them too (they are both people I consider friends). Please note that this issue has been brought up after some time of this recruitment happening.

I've heard him talk on server about BSco. Now talk is fine but what he was doing was borderline recruiting (I warned him he was on thin ice with it). He's careful I will give him that, but he is again targeting regulars. I agree it's natural, but that DOES NOT make it OK.

*edited for coherency and spelling*

[XxMastagunzxX]

Envy, clan membership means nothing about superseding senior admin. only high ranking clan mambers do like zero jigsaw, enzo, and some other guy idk.



That is incorrect.

[washythebreaker]

Envy just stop talking/posting.

[Envy]

Envy just stop talking/posting.

Why should I?

[maynard]

You're wrong on this, a clan member supersedes longest connected to the server.

.

Lol no they don't. as soon as masta and all the new people were brought into ibis I PMed zero and asked him this


his response was. "the only people who get senior admin by logging on at any time is myself and jigsaw."

clan members do not get imidiate senior admin just by logging on.

[Rapedollar$]

Lol no they don't. as soon as masta and all the new people were brought into ibis I PMed zero and asked him this


his response was. "the only people who get senior admin by logging on at any time is myself and jigsaw."

clan members do not get imidiate senior admin just by logging on.

clan members as of 02-22-2010 are automatically senior admins once they log on to the server. its has been discussed on the clan only section of the forums. if you doubt Nys, masta, and myself, ask any other clan member or pm zero yourself.

i know zero told you that maynard, but it has changed since you two spoke of it.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Lol no they don't. as soon as masta and all the new people were brought into ibis I PMed zero and asked him this


his response was. "the only people who get senior admin by logging on at any time is myself and jigsaw."

clan members do not get imidiate senior admin just by logging on.

Well Zero told us in our IBIS private section that we do. So you're wrong.

[Rapedollar$]

lol always so angry nys!

i still <3 you tho...

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

lol always so angry nys!

i still <3 you tho...

They don't call me Officer Asshole for nothing. LOL

Oh and of course !! I <3 you more !

[maynard]

Well Zero told us in our IBIS private section that we do. So you're wrong.

when was this?

think about it. there would literally be no insentive for people 2 buy admin if the second a member came on they lost there admin privs. and no I'm not wrong, I'm going on what zero pmed me, and I got the PM 2 prove it. untill he declares else wise, I'm going based on what he said. not what he apprently said in some section only members can see.

[KaMiKaZi_NiNjA]

I haven't seen it myself but the fact that he posted it on the members forum and didn't bother telling you personally, is kind of self explanatory.

[Rapedollar$]

read my post.

also zero said if you dont believe us, pm him and he will inform you.

not to be an ass but it isnt up to you to decide whether or not you are going to follow the rules. follow the rules but if you have a question or grievance with a rule bring it up with zero.

to reiterate the date that zero told us was 02-22-2010

nys quoted zero in one of the abuse threads.. cant remember which one tho

[maynard]

read my post.

also zero said if you dont believe us, pm him and he will inform you.

not to be an ass but it isnt up to you to decide whether or not you are going to follow the rules. follow the rules but if you have a question or grievance with a rule bring it up with zero.

to reiterate the date that zero told us was 02-22-2010

nys quoted zero in one of the abuse threads.. cant remember which one tho

I'm not saying I'm not following the rules, I said I'm folloing dirrectly what zero said is the rule. there's a diff. if that's infact not the rule, then zero should be telling the people, not posting it in a section that 90% of the community can't see...

[OMGBEARS]

Hey jerky. PM Zero about seniority and you'll get your answer.

Originally Posted by ZERO View Post
You actually do not but it is fine for you all to be above the normal admins when it comes to seniority especially as that is how it has played out anyways. Let me know if I need to tell anyone this.

This is one good reason to have an admin-only section for the forums. So admins can discuss admin-things. Such as senior admin-ship and the like. I would have preferred to have my voice heard since I pay for admin, too.

[Rapedollar$]

im taking a quick vote to see if the rest of the clan agrees to move that thread into a public folder.


please stand by for confirmation.

[maynard]

im taking a quick vote to see if the rest of the clan agrees to move that thread into a public folder.


please stand by for confirmation.

the question really is, why was it not public from the get go. us admins are paying cause we love ibis, if your change the rules you should be atleast informing us.

[washythebreaker]

Why should I?

1. Your wrong about everything you say.

2. You're a moron.

[Envy]

Why is this even an issue?

Clan members should be held higher due to being IN THE CLAN. Any random jack-off can pay 11$ for admin. It's a case of respect IMO, then earned their spot in the clan.

Honestly back on topic since this isn't the issue at hand

[Rapedollar$]

it isnt really changing a rule. with the exception of, well you, nearly every admin i encounter in the server has followed that clan is senior to reg admin... and im talking for the past 5 or so years not simply since the new members were admitted... its more of a "common law" thing that you asked about and heard that there really was no hard written rule.

either way we are right. you are no longer correct. you were previous to the date mentioned above. but no longer.

[maynard]

it isnt really changing a rule. with the exception of, well you, nearly every admin i encounter in the server has followed that clan is senior to reg admin... and im talking for the past 5 or so years not simply since the new members were admitted... its more of a "common law" thing that you asked about and heard that there really was no hard written rule.

either way we are right. you are no longer correct. you were previous to the date mentioned above. but no longer.

I don't do map changes so I could really care less. but don't try and label me as somoene who wasn't following the rules. I did exactly what zero said is the rule and way things go. and zero is law, last I checked.

[washythebreaker]

GG Rape wins. Close Thread.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

I don't do map changes so I could really care less. but don't try and label me as somoene who wasn't following the rules. I did exactly what zero said is the rule and way things go. and zero is law, last I checked.

Look jerky. I could care less too. Jerky. :icon_mrgreen:

[Rapedollar$]

if this dosnt affect you in any way, why are you arguing about it so much? why are you having such a hard time trusting ANY of the clan members beside zero?

i understand your point and you are correct, what zero says is law. but that has changed. just because zero is too busy to pm you about it you automatically thing that half the clan is lying about this? for what reason? so we can mapvote? do you think we are that petty? hell most of the time we will pass on seniority because we just came to play with some friends. that or if i would go into the wcs server, i am not overly familiar with the rules, you are, i have no problem leaving seniority with somebody who has more experience in an unfamiliar game mod.

please dont take any of the above as raging or malicious. im simply speaking.

[maynard]

Look jerky. I could care less too. Jerky. :icon_mrgreen:

I might be jerky, but it's a step up from being a jerk-face... like yourself :icon_mrgreen:

[OMGBEARS]

<insert contribution to pissing contest>

I follow that rule of thumb, myself. However, I would have at least liked to have had my voice heard in any discussion that went on. Once we pay for our admin we agree to the ToS. The current ToS describes senior admin as the first logged on to the server, with the only exceptions being Zero, and Jigsaw. If that ToS changes we need to be notified right when it happens, not this far after the fact.

But really, stop acting like 2 year olds, "We are right, you are no longer right, yada yada yada" we didn't even have access to the information.

[Rapedollar$]

envy, once the current issue is resolved ill clean out your thread so its viable and unspammed.

sorry we hijacked your thread

[maynard]

if this dosnt affect you in any way, why are you arguing about it so much? why are you having such a hard time trusting ANY of the clan members beside zero?


why you keep being mean... I'm not hostile, I'm not claiming any 1 is lying.

it's not a matter of trust, it's kind of like a conflict of interest...

every 1 was arguing about this before so I went 2 zero, he told me what the MEMBERS were saying is incorrect... so that's why I'm kinda on the fence about this rule that no 1 has seen other then the members... get what I'm saying?

[Rapedollar$]

i wasnt trying to be mean.

i do understand where you are coming from. all im saying is, if you look at ibis like a business, do the lower level management get all the changes in rules and such directly from the ceo? no, their managers give them the info.

with what zero has in the planning phase for ibis will clear this issue up.. it may take time though, we all know how busy he is.

[maynard]

i wasnt trying to be mean.

i do understand where you are coming from. all im saying is, if you look at ibis like a business, do the lower level management get all the changes in rules and such directly from the ceo? no, their managers give them the info.

with what zero has in the planning phase for ibis will clear this issue up.. it may take time though, we all know how busy he is.

that's a big 10-4 there, delta.

[StarsMine]

Ill trust you guys that its been changed but why the hell would you not let the normal ibis admins and regulars know about the new change in the TOS?

The TOS is equivalent to a contract, you dont go around changing a contract without the knowledge of anyone who is involved, thats just wrong, and illegal.

Rapedoller$ how the hell does this not effect us?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

rape, there should be no vote. any changes that effect the tos must be made available to everyone. as of right now, any admin has the right to supercede you clanners (and in some cases they should) if said admin was first on the server. just because "zero said it" doesn't mean shit. until zero posts it to the community, and updates the tos, admins should be expected to follow the contract they entered into.

[Rapedollar$]

Ill trust you guys that its been changed but why the hell would you not let the normal ibis admins and regulars know about the new change in the TOS?

The TOS is equivalent to a contract, you dont go around changing a contract without the knowledge of anyone who is involved, thats just wrong, and illegal.

Rapedoller$ how the hell does this not effect us?

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6

note the final line. TOS is subject to change.

as for having it publicly announced we asked Zero to change it on the tos. it has yet to happen though. and as zero posted the tos himself, none of the regular clan members are allowed to alter his post. you'll see once i get the thumbs up to move the thread.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

<insert contribution to pissing contest>

I follow that rule of thumb, myself. However, I would have at least liked to have had my voice heard in any discussion that went on. Once we pay for our admin we agree to the ToS. The current ToS describes senior admin as the first logged on to the server, with the only exceptions being Zero, and Jigsaw. If that ToS changes we need to be notified right when it happens, not this far after the fact.

But really, stop acting like 2 year olds, "We are right, you are no longer right, yada yada yada" we didn't even have access to the information.

Shut up

[StarsMine]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6

note the final line. TOS is subject to change.



I never said it isnt subject to change, I said to change it with out the knowledge or consent of those who had agread to it.

With your logic you can make it say hand over you Social Security number, but remeber you cant back out you already agree to the ToS.
If you change the ToS we have to re-agree to the change, or leave, thats how it works.

This change, its the first we have heard of it, and for it to already in effect is utter bullshit.

[Rapedollar$]

zero actually dosnt need anybodies consent to change the tos. if he changes it and you dont like it, stop subscribing to admin.

this is far from the first time this issue has been discussed. your lack of knowledge of it is actually surprising.

as for trying to make a point using SSNs, thx for going so far overboard in your attempt. i got a bit of a lol out of it.

this issue will be resolved shortly, please everybody be patient. and for those of you that are in fact bitching. qq shut up and go away.

[XxMastagunzxX]

Everybody go drink some beer and turn your computer off.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

rape, there should be no vote. any changes that effect the tos must be made available to everyone. as of right now, any admin has the right to supercede you clanners (and in some cases they should) if said admin was first on the server. just because "zero said it" doesn't mean shit. until zero posts it to the community, and updates the tos, admins should be expected to follow the contract they entered into.

Hey it's the nobody again. :icon_mrgreen:

[XxMastagunzxX]

I'm surprised you haven't called anybody an asshole face yet. :lmao:

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

I'm surprised you haven't called anybody an asshole face yet. :lmao:

In due time....

[StarsMine]

zero actually dosnt need anybodies consent to change the tos. if he changes it and you dont like it, stop subscribing to admin.

this is far from the first time this issue has been discussed. your lack of knowledge of it is actually surprising.

as for trying to make a point using SSNs, thx for going so far overboard in your attempt. i got a bit of a lol out of it.

this issue will be resolved shortly, please everybody be patient. and for those of you that are in fact bitching. qq shut up and go away.

Yes the example was overboard it was ment to be.
My point was we should hear about the changes before hand. You misunderstood me. I was saying that if a change is going to be in effect, we are to be asked to re accept the ToS or gtfo. But to change the ToS without us reaccept it and expect people to be ok with that is utter bullshit, beacuse we did not agree with the change at that point in time. Im not saying that the change is a bad thing, im ok with it but really dont be changing shit under our nose.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I'm surprised you haven't called anybody an asshole face yet. :lmao:

hey, e can't do that. last time i did, i got an infraction.

speaking of that...


Hey it's the nobody again. :icon_mrgreen:

might as well give me the infraction right here and now. save me the trouble of typing what i want to say out. t(-_-t)

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[[UA] Mos Def]

I am probably considered a noob here compared to most of you guys talking on this thread and I am okay with that. I have been playing pretty much everyday for many hours for the past few months and I have noticed a lot of things. As I said before I am new, so this stuff I am noticing may be very old and may have been going on for a long time. Obviously people of other clans are going to come into the Ibis servers, but these people should not be spamming the server or talking down about it. If they are unhappy with the server they should kindly leave and not try to influence other people who are on the server. That to me is recruiting or maybe more specifically just flaming against Ibis in the hopes of getting people to leave it. I personally don't see the point in that. If a person doesn't like the Ibis servers or community I can't get my head around why they would stay here and moan and groan about it rather than just move to different servers that are better suited for said person.

If I was coming in everyday speaking badly about the Ibis server and the community I would expect nothing less of people of Ibis to politely ask me to leave. I wear my [UA] clan tag here and I am proud of it, I have been a member of UA for many many years, but I would never in a million years come to another community and bash it and keep doing that on a daily or frequent basis. Those actions would be both petty and immature.

While I realize this thread in the start wasn't specifically about walter, we all know who and what Envy was talking about. I would like to say that being an admin on two different servers is a conflict of interests regardless of what you think. I have never seen walter recruit and I don't know if he is the type of person to do that or not, but I do know that being admin on more than one server is going to create controversy and obvious loyalty toward one or the other.

At any rate I am happy here and I love the community!! I don't appreciate anyone coming in here and talking badly about Ibis. One last time, if Ibis is so bad don't come here. End of story....

[XxMastagunzxX]

Yes clan members do have seniority.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56294#post56294

[StarsMine]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?p=56294#post56294

im not saying that they didnt but to not let any people other then clan members know about the change in the ToS on the 22nd is retarded

[loka]

You guys can piss and moan to the other clan members about the recent changes to seniority (although it makes sense they would get seniority) and how you guys weren't notified. The reality is it's ZERO's responsibility to update the ToS rigorously. The last time it's been updated was in January, and after the decision was made should have been updated then and there. I'm sure some of the clan members would have edited the ToS, but it is not their place to update that information unless without ZERO's approval. So it's his post; locked up for no comments, and for him to edit at any given time with subject to change. The only thing is if things have changed, please take the time to inform people about the changes that have been made so then people with ibis.a don't go raging about seniority.

Aside from new updates to the site, or servers and new rules (which is our responsibility to check the ToS for any recent changes) those are the only things we should be informed about. Now unless IBIS is going to start doing contests and fight nights and blah blah blah that's it.

[ZERO]

I have now made the rule change. Sorry for delay I got a lot of shit going on this week before my vacation. I even have built an entire website from scratch in notepad for my dad on Sunday. You see it is not all sunshine and lollipops on vacation, this is one of the few times in the year I get to spend time with my dad who provides all of my living expenses. In fact without his funds I would not only not be in college I would also not be able to afford to run IBIS becuase of the added cost on my end which luckily none of us here pay for. ($50 internet, $300 electric, $400 for extra room for computers and networking equipment) In addition that new laptop I got is loaned from him on money I will be making over the next few months on my side job. As a result it is important that I not only get fucking perfect scores on everything at school but also present a gift such as a new website for his company. This gift is a thank you for the vacation I am taking as it is probably costing us a few grand. My family has always gone by the work hard and play hard rule and so I am sorry for the recent breakdown in activity. However I assure you that when I get back I will be refreshed and ready to crack down on some updates!

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

I have now made the rule change. Sorry for delay I got a lot of shit going on this week before my vacation. I even have built an entire website from scratch in notepad for my dad on Sunday. You see it is not all sunshine and lollipops on vacation, this is one of the few times in the year I get to spend time with my dad who provides all of my living expenses. In fact without his funds I would not only not be in college I would also not be able to afford to run IBIS becuase of the added cost on my end which luckily none of us here pay for. ($50 internet, $300 electric, $400 for extra room for computers and networking equipment) In addition that new laptop I got is loaned from him on money I will be making over the next few months on my side job. As a result it is important that I not only get fucking perfect scores on everything at school but also present a gift such as a new website for his company. This gift is a thank you for the vacation I am taking as it is probably costing us a few grand. My family has always gone by the work hard and play hard rule and so I am sorry for the recent breakdown in activity. However I assure you that when I get back I will be refreshed and ready to crack down on some updates!


While I'm sure that most of us appreciate the hard work that you put into IBIS as well as the monetary aspect, I'm not totally understanding the


$50 internet, $300 electric, $400 for extra room for computers and networking equipment)

part. Is that monthly?

Is that actual monies that you pay that are NOT paid or assisted by subscriptions? If it is then is there an alternate choice at a lesser expense, like hiring or outsourcing the servers to server companies but keeping the control?

Sorry for intruding on your vaca, but then if you are reading this then it was your choice.

In any event, I hope you have a great vaca and get all the stress released and return completely rejeuvinated.

TC

DED

[acolyte_to_jippity]

damn i love zero. he doesn't say anything at all about the battle that's been going on in this thread, and just posts about the rule change.

lol

[walterbrunswick]

damn i love zero. he doesn't say anything at all about the battle that's been going on in this thread, and just posts about the rule change.

lol

:offtopic:

Am I delusional because of the lack of sleep I've experienced lately or do you have Toasties' font and style in your signature?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

:offtopic:

Am I delusional because of the lack of sleep I've experienced lately or do you have Toasties' font and style in your signature?

you could say it's a messege from her...though i think i didn't quite get it right. probably need to italicyze it </sp>

edit: nope, italics aren't right.

[ZERO]

Those were examples of Monthly costs that I do not pay for but allow for me to be able to run the servers efficiently. For example I live alone but have a 2 bead room apartment. I need an entire room for the computers and they use a lot of power (in the summer) as the air must be on at all times. The admin subs cover all dedicated server and website costs however they may be used to subsidize an upgrade to one of my home computers if needed so that I may continue to manage the servers.

You see when there are problems on the servers or when I am working on new servers/mods I do everything on my main system. That is why it is so powerful. However as a consequence it is also very large and generates huge amounts of heat and energy usage. Also so that I can continue to manage the servers in the event of a disaster there are multiple back up computers ect to minimize down time. The costs there were more of an example of how much my parents are actually providing me with so that I can run these servers effectively.

[StarsMine]

Zero, you have really nice parents.

the servers are at your apartment, good god o.O and considering where we live some of those days must be a bitch on your power bill.

[ZERO]

No the servers are not at my apartment. They are in a Tier 1 data center in DC.

[XxMastagunzxX]

No the servers are not at his apartment.

EDIT: Zero beat me to it.

[mag36]

No the servers are not at my apartment. They are in a Tier 1 data center in DC.

For those of you that dont know what a Tier 1 is :

Tier 1: composed of a single path for power and cooling distribution, without redundant components, providing 99.671% availability.

So I assume zero keeps backups of all the server's data at his house and before makes changes to one of the servers he probably test it on his own home PC first then implement it into one of the servers.
Very few people can run a decent game server from a house do to home user internet limitations.

[ZERO]

Yes, that is correct. Also there are multiple versions like the last backup and the current test beads. My main computer can run all of the server full with bots and CS:S at the same time. This is useful for load testing and to help debug rare glitches. Also I have another computer with winserver on it so that I can rule out os related issues. In addition one of the big benefits of having a very powerful computer to test on it to see if the problem is hardware or software related.

Oh and Tier 1 also refers to my internet connection at the datacenter which gives me 10 Tier 1 providers. In other words each of those 10 providers gives me 99.671% availability and bandwidth of 10gb/s each. Not only is this important for quality but each provider has different global network routs and thus by using as many as possible the lowers ping for the largest global area is assured.

[Bumpkin]

I get a feeling that this thread is because it's Walter, and not because of any good reason.

There are frequently other people who come on our servers with other clan tags who come in and complain about the server. Complaining about the server is a regular occurrence and really has nothing to do with affiliations to a clan or community. I really think the main thing is that Walter has always been a vocal and somewhat controversial member of the IBIS community, and now people are grabbing hold of his newest controversy and holding on for dear life. Drama is pretty addicting, I'll give you guys that. But is it really that big of a deal? IBIS isn't going anywhere.

Yes, it is because it's Walter.

When I started my clan, did I go around and cry and bitch about how shitty ibis is and hinthintwinkwink about how cool my clan was? No, I didn't. If people come to Walter asking about his clan, they have every right to, then he's not breaking any rules. But if he's pulling a smuT, then he needs to be dealt with. By pulling a smuT, I mean going into the server to add people and then advertise his clan.

I agree with Bears to an extent...but obviously Walter is admitting to the advertising seeing as how he's not taking the possibility that he could get into some serious shit with Zero...seriously.

Walter, if you hate ibis so much, cancel your admin and go somewhere else.

Save us all some bitching and trouble.

EDIT:

WOW the topic went WAY off topic...

[StarsMine]

WOW the topic went WAY off topic...

Why yes, yes we did, Welcome back bumpkin

[Bumpkin]

Why yes, yes we did, Welcome back bumpkin

Why thank you.

Damn one misses a lot with 3 jobs...glad I only have 2 now.

roflz.

[yours' truely]

Why thank you.

Damn one misses a lot with 3 JOHNS...glad I only have 2 now.

roflz.

THERE, fix'd

[acolyte_to_jippity]

THERE, fix'd

unrelated post is unrelated?

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

THERE, fix'd

LMAO good one..

[Bumpkin]

THERE, fix'd

LOL.

You still got it wrong.

If it's Johns we're talking about...well...*cough4832536457cough*

[acolyte_to_jippity]

LOL.

You still got it wrong.

If it's Johns we're talking about...well...*cough4832536457cough*

looks like you're beating chicago ted there

[A Baby Panda]

LOL.

You still got it wrong.

If it's Johns we're talking about...well...*cough4832536457cough*

Sounds like prostitution.

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

LOL.

You still got it wrong.

If it's Johns we're talking about...well...*cough4832536457cough*


Holmes ???

[A Baby Panda]

Holmes ???

Costar?

[Pink]

Wow wow... did I really have read 16 pages... really by the 4th page I was ready to post. Geeze.

I'm friends with alot of regs on here and I'm friendly status with almost every one here. Now I honestly dont see any issues here Im taking this thread back on topic. I have not seen any recruiting in the IBIS servers and when I do I report to an admin and if I have admin I record or screen shot it giving them a kick warning and if continue a ban.

Now I seen walter's ZM server it is nice I dont think its a rival to IBIS since its only a ZM not GG WCS and Pub. He recruiting IBIS regs? He is a IBIS reg and hes friends with IBIS regs. Not recruiting since most of the regs I played ZM with stopped playing ZM after the big 41 slot change

He's trying to make the server that zero killed. Even though zero said IBIS ZM has been at its highest peek in 2 years for one adding more slots will do that. And second whos on the server now days... the countless number of regs and admins that gave there time and money in hope to make the server better. No, not any more. People who break cades and when you warn them or ban them there friends start spamming and crashing the server. Its a mess.

Sure walter use to talk bad when he was drunk I kinda agree when he is drunk he shouldn't use a mic. But he quitting or greatly reducing his drinking so he prolly wont be an issue no more.

Sorry I know this prolly an old thread but after reading 16 god damn pages I wanted to freaking post some thing for my time spent.