Two GG Suggestions

[Kavinsky]

I've noticed that the same too many maps (140 something maps and we only go to 13 of them) map problem that plagued ZM also applies to the gungame server as well and I think that these two solutions would really help fix that.

1. Start a poll on the forums each week about if and what maps should be removed out of a list of maps all of the admins have provided to zero on with gungame and maybe zm as well. It could be called GG Map removal pole for whatever date it is.

That way we acomplish three things. Lower the amount of maps on the server, get rid of the bad maps that no one likes to play on like tesla and prevent a situation from happening like what happened on zm when zero removed 4 corners and a few other good ones even though no one was complaing about them in an effort to fix the map overload problem that still plagues it.

2. Install an advanced map selector algorithm that only selects the maps no ones played on yet, sort of like putting winamp on smart random setting that only selects the songs you dont normally listen to in your collection that resets once its gone through everything, granted admins should stil be able to put up custom map votes but when there not on it should resume that way normally.

[Spasm]

I've noticed that the same too many maps (140 something maps and we only go to 13 of them) map problem that plagued ZM also applies to the gungame server as well and I think that these two solutions would really help fix that.

1. Start a poll on the forums each week about if and what maps should be removed out of a list of maps all of the admins have provided to zero on with gungame and maybe zm as well. It could be called GG Map removal pole for whatever date it is.

That way we acomplish three things. Lower the amount of maps on the server, get rid of the bad maps that no one likes to play on like tesla and prevent a situation from happening like what happened on zm when zero removed 4 corners and a few other good ones even though no one was complaing about them in an effort to fix the map overload problem that still plagues it.

2. Install an advanced map selector algorithm that only selects the maps no ones played on yet, sort of like putting winamp on smart random setting that only selects the songs you dont normally listen to in your collection that resets once its gone through everything, granted admins should stil be able to put up custom map votes but when there not on it should resume that way normally.

Thats because most of the maps suck and only 12 or so of them are really good. I don't know about you but I would rather play good maps then bad ones. Yes tesla and what not suck and zero has been fully aware of this issue, I have told him this in the past, and so has other people, go look for bumpkins post.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yeah, toasties went through made an entire list of each map, we played through them all one night, made reccomendations, and nothing happened.

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

From 03/25/2010 in Rules...


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ZERO,

Just a FYI and a request for addition(s) to the rules that are listed on the server but not here. Also, another couple of situations that have been a thorn in the side of many ppl, at least on GG.

With the new format + warm-up round of grenades, the choices of killing another team mate are available even though it's a warm-up round and more times than not the people that do this, even after multiple requests on my part and other Admins, sometimes do it so late that it carries over to the main game therefore affecting the player when the stats have begun, therefore putting them at a disadvantage of having to wait for the second round to play, totally unfair and for those that pay close attention to their stats a big drawback.

Is it possible to disable the option(s) if killed by a grenade by a team mate, IE: slay, drug, fire, etc.? (that should also include TKing on warm-up) because some of these asshats JUST DON'T GET IT !!!

The other request is that quite a few of our people that play on GG regularly have stated that the maps never change, and while I agree to an extent, there should be a few rotations of maps that are just not well accepted and always seem to get requests for a change or a RTV...

Some new content would be a welcome change and perhaps some of our regulars would like to participate in a list of potential map adds/changes to make for good PR.

Thanks in advance for your assistance...

DED

[Kavinsky]

I understand that Denis but like Acolyte said that he and Toasties have done that before and so have I with ZM

And when he did listen to everyone and start removing maps he did it without looking at anyones carefully put together list, mine included and removed a bunch of good maps. I had put that list together over weeks of playtime on the zm server to make sure that the ones I put down were the ones that 90% of people didnt like.

After that everyone was in arms and blaming me for bringing up the problem and I don't want a repeat of that with GG.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2125&page=4


I did not even look at their suggestions. I physically played every map and removed the ones that did not work well or that could not be made to work correctly. If there are maps you want back just pst them and I can put them back on.


hence why I think the admins of GG overtime should directly send him a list or a note about a map they hate. Then he finds a common map amongst them and removes it rather than doing a full spring cleaning and end up removing a good map like complex which is the zm equivalent of csk_4_corners.

Which he removed without any mention of it on any list of bad maps or discussion about it, he just removed the map on face value, not how well it played on the server.

[Nemesis]

maybe if you got 10 or so regs to go in the server one day and play through a bunch of new (or rarely played) maps and if they're good have them thrown into the regular rotation

[Kavinsky]

They are already are in rotation, that's not the issue.

The issue is that we have way too many maps that we never play that probably suck and instantly get rtv'd off of that need to be removed so the better maps show up more often in the automatic map vote selector.

In particular when the admins aren't there and were forced to play whatever the map selector chose for maps.

[Spasm]

They already are in rotation, thats not the issue.

The issue is that we have way too many maps that we never play that probably suck and instantly get rtv'd off of that need to be removed so the better maps show up more often in the automatic map vote selector.

In particular when the admins aren't there and were forced to play whatever the map selector chose for maps.

Nice post, I agree

[XX0wnsXY]

I think a lot of them do need to be taken off. There are so many good maps for gg that aren't on the server, but there are also a few maps on the server taht are good that noone gives a chance, for instance stoneworld_obe. Sure, not everyone's taste is the same but I think a good cleaning out would do good. I'd even volunteer my time to go through each map and put up a vote to see how players liked it and jot the notes down if being thorough is an issue.

[StarsMine]

We have attemted to get maps deleated many times http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2419
Even though I dont agree with some of them like bestbuy and mcdonalds, for the most part it is a good list.

[XX0wnsXY]

We have attemted to get maps deleated many times http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2419
Even though I dont agree with some of them like bestbuy and mcdonalds, for the most part it is a good list.

It's actually a very crowded list. 90 percent of the 21 pages of maps don't get played and are just extra maps for admins to look at when picking a map that the players will not RTV off of during a map change. Some of them have glitches that players dont want abused so it gets RTV'd. Some are too big. Some have stupid teleport things that make it too complicated for anyone to want to play. Some have shitty textures. There are a bunch that don't get played for this or that reason, but a bunch that get lost in the crowd of the bad ones that we may enjoy if people were exposed to it.

[StarsMine]

I would love a new list for RTVing, all the maps on the list get overplayed.

[XX0wnsXY]

Is there a particular reason why the RTV list isn't random?

[Kavinsky]

Don't know it's always been that way it seems.

[Spasm]

I may be alone on this, but when I was not admin, I enjoyed how the rtv feature brought up the better maps, at least I knew we was going to go to something good after a rtv, if its random we could just be rtv again, people don't know what to vote for and there is alot of 1 spammers.

I agree with bumpkins post for the most part except for mcdonalds, just like starsmine, she really put a lot of time and effort into that list and I remember us playing through all the maps. We don't need to go through them all again unless your just bored, its already been done.

[Kavinsky]

We have a best buy map?

[Bumpkin]

Should I remake my thread in this lovely new forum section for GG?

I can copy and paste and MAYBE my thread will be taken seriously....srsly.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

go ahead. i'll see if rape or someone can sticky it. we should have a master maplist for each server.

edit: get rid of the color-coding though. that's what the maps section of this forum is for. just a list is what we need

[hallwagner]

We have a best buy map?

yea and its kinda ummm bad

[hallwagner]

also i think we should have an aim shotty map added to the roster

[GUN]

Does anyone like Assault? I always thought it was a good gg map.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Does anyone like Assault? I always thought it was a good gg map.

as in cs_assault?

that's not a pub map

[hallwagner]

as in cs_assault?

that's not a pub map

yes it is.....

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yes it is.....

:facepalm:

wow, acolyte fail. i meant not a gg map, it's a pub map

[hallwagner]

:facepalm:

wow, acolyte fail. i meant not a gg map, it's a pub map

:D i win.....fail with the smiley too :P

[Dead]

Delete all the maps in the server, start over. Put 10-15 non repeated good maps and call it a day (3 different deagle maps? wth? 4 churches? o_O )...

And while you are at it, delete all the music in the server, I don't listen to it (cl_downloadfilter "nosounds") but I do listen to ppl complain about it all the time... and also the ppl trying to "sing" it. Is it even music? is it the same thing every round? lol. Oh well, at least is not the zombie mod server where everyone and their mother's got a sound board.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Delete all the maps in the server, start over. Put 10-15 non repeated good maps and call it a day (3 different deagle maps? wth? 4 churches? o_O )...

And while you are at it, delete all the music in the server, I don't listen to it (cl_downloadfilter "nosounds") but I do listen to ppl complain about it all the time... and also the ppl trying to "sing" it. Is it even music? is it the same thing every round? lol. Oh well, at least is not the zombie mod server where everyone and their mother's got a sound board.

lol, listen to the idiot.

gg's actually fine as it is

[Dead]

lol, listen to the idiot.

gg's actually fine as it is

Yeah, I'm an idiot for suggesting a simple fix. Why the name Calling? Just because I said something you didn't like doesn't warrant the name calling.

How is it "fine as it is" if everyone keeps complaining about the same thing?

what's the big deal about deleting all the maps and putting back only the good ones? It is a lot better than having to RTV every map and a half.

rm * and that's it.

[XX0wnsXY]

gg's actually fine as it is

this statement is incorrect. partly why i am not on as much on GG. besides, you are never there either, so i think you are not the most qualified to say it's fine (not saying i am)

[acolyte_to_jippity]

the fact is is that there are a lot of maps, yes, but that makes the server far better. and i'm sorry for the idiot part. my head's killing me, and the homework i'm wokring on makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

[Dead]

the fact is is that there are a lot of maps, yes, but that makes the server far better. and i'm sorry for the idiot part. my head's killing me, and the homework i'm wokring on makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

Dude, how is it better? of the 100+ currently in the server we play about 20 of them, of those 20 only 4 or 5 are actually good. So 3/4 of the time we play shitty maps.

Now, I'm just making estimates, there could be more than 4 or 5 good maps that we play, definitely less than 10 (and there are a lot more in the server, but we never get to play them). And I'm not talking about maps that I like, 'cause I know a lot of people like xbox and I don't but I do think of it as one of the good maps.

If zero deletes all the maps and puts 20 GOOD maps (including the "4 or 5" good maps that we normally play) that would be a lot better.

More is not always better.

[XX0wnsXY]

Dude, how is it better? of the 100+ currently in the server we play about 20 of them, of those 20 only 4 or 5 are actually good. So 3/4 of the time we play shitty maps.

Now, I'm just making estimates, there could be more than 4 or 5 good maps that we play, definitely less than 10 (and there are a lot more in the server, but we never get to play them). And I'm not talking about maps that I like, 'cause I know a lot of people like xbox and I don't but I do think of it as one of the good maps.

If zero deletes all the maps and puts 20 GOOD maps (including the "4 or 5" good maps that we normally play) that would be a lot better.

More is not always better.

+ 1

acolyte...quit posting when you have a headache. that is the equivelant of me posting something and then retracting it with the excuse that im PMSing...not good man, not good.

[Kavinsky]

Yeah we need to cut down on the amount of maps we have on that server and the way it selects them.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Dude, how is it better? of the 100+ currently in the server we play about 20 of them, of those 20 only 4 or 5 are actually good. So 3/4 of the time we play shitty maps.

Now, I'm just making estimates, there could be more than 4 or 5 good maps that we play, definitely less than 10 (and there are a lot more in the server, but we never get to play them). And I'm not talking about maps that I like, 'cause I know a lot of people like xbox and I don't but I do think of it as one of the good maps.

If zero deletes all the maps and puts 20 GOOD maps (including the "4 or 5" good maps that we normally play) that would be a lot better.

More is not always better.

i un-retract my statement.

more maps is better. it gives admins more options. rarely-played-map-wednesday (held a few fridays of the month) are incredibly entertaining

[Dead]

Don't we need suggestions from people who actually play in the server?

[XX0wnsXY]

i un-retract my statement.

more maps is better. it gives admins more options. rarely-played-map-wednesday (held a few fridays of the month) are incredibly entertaining

fuck rarely played map Wednesday. Fuck that shit! That shit is fine for Zmod and WCS but GG is a little bit different and people get really irritated when you take them out of their comfort zone.

[hallwagner]

fuck rarely played map Wednesday. Fuck that shit! That shit is fine for Zmod and WCS but GG is a little bit different and people get really irritated when you take them out of their comfort zone.

one of the few good things i did as admin was play on some rarely/never played maps. the obvious thing was that, yes, those maps sucked, but the thing was (at least in my case) is that people enjoyed it because it was a change of pace. although i only tried a fraction of the sparsely played maps :(

[Kavinsky]

We should raise the general quality of the map selection by REMOVING those maps, not saving them for shity wednesday and replace them with decient to good ones.

And apparently the automatic map vote system has some sort of a built in autoselect system for maps that we havent played yet that was disabled by Zero, if thats the case that badly needs to be renabled.

[Christmas]

fuck rarely played map Wednesday. Fuck that shit! That shit is fine for Zmod and WCS but GG is a little bit different and people get really irritated when you take them out of their comfort zone.

Because GG players are fucking tightwad weirdos.

Just look at Walter.

[XX0wnsXY]

Because GG players are fucking tightwad weirdos.

Just look at Walter.

lol. I resent that.

[Christmas]

lol. I resent that.

You seem to resent a lot of what I say. :icon_mrgreen:

[XX0wnsXY]

You seem to resent a lot of what I say. :icon_mrgreen:

Do not.

[hallwagner]

lol. I resent that.

but its true :icon_mrgreen:

[Christmas]

Do not.

Ya huh.

[Kavinsky]

Enough already.

[Christmas]

Enough already.

Buzzkill alert.

[XX0wnsXY]

Enough already.

Who died and left you in charge? nanananabooboo

[Rapedollar$]

jesus fucking christ. i drunkenly ramble to this thread and everyone is acting 5.... sometimes i hate you people....

[XX0wnsXY]

Rape, you are obviously too drunk to realize that we were acting 7, not 5. you will see when you sober up a bit.

[Nemesis]

Because GG players are fucking tightwad weirdos.

Just look at Walter.

walter wasn't weird till he started playing ZM, which makes sence, buncha fucks in there...

[Kavinsky]

enought with walter already, besides the fucktards gone for good which means we dont have to worry about the fbi watching us because of his association with ibis.