For you Gear Heads

[Perry]

this punk with a 1989 305 v8 camaro thinks he can take my car.

his car is bone stock so this is his specs. now take in my mind that his car is now 21 years old, and had a rebuild around 10 years ago.

Yr Modl Tran. Engine CR Disp. HP Torque Gearing
89 RS ,A4 LO3 V8TBI 9.3:1 5.0 (305) 170@4400 255@2400 - 2.73 ----

My cars engine was built 2 years ago and now has 22 thousand miles on it. the trans has 5k, and the rear end about 4k.
I have:
stroked 3.8 to 4.2 Morana Ford V6 Essex Block
Forged Internals
207/215 110LSA Cam
Demolet CAI
VAP Auto Intake Manifold Spacer
MAC Longtube Headers
MAC H-Pipe
Flowmaster 80 Series Exhaust (Side Exit)
Custom 91 Octane Tune by VMP Tuning
25% ASP Underdrive Pullies
9mm MSD Spark Plug Wires
310LPH SVT Fuel Pump

T5-Z Transmission
-SPEC Aluminum Flywheel
-FRPP King Cobra Clutch
-FRPP Aluminum Driveshaft
-MGW Blue Short Throw Shifter
-FRPP 5-Speed Shift Knob
-Steeda Firewall Adjuster
-Steeda Adjustable Clutch Cable
-Steeda Clutch Quadrant



and 4.10 gearing in the rear with a locker.

He believes that since he has a v8 he can beat me. my numbers dont lie i put out about 210hp@4200 290tq@2300 approx.

My car is stripped and race ready (was built for road racing)
His car still has the whole interior.

this is a 1/4 drag race at California Speedway.

who would win?

[tupacs cousin]

what a punk

[Kavinsky]

I dont know that much about mustangs (ur quattros, ferraris and vetts however...) but What about upgrading your brakes and suspension, not to mention making sure all that power hits the road IE making sure your hp to torque ratios high.

[Perry]

this is the basic build Sheet on my car.

Morana 4.2 Stroker Motor w/ .030 overbore
-207/215 110LSA Cam
-Demolet CAI
-VAP Auto Intake Manifold Spacer
-MAC Longtube Headers
-MAC H-Pipe
-Flowmaster 80 Series Exhaust (Side Exit)
-Custom 91 Octane Tune by VMP Tuning
-25% ASP Underdrive Pullies
-9mm MSD Spark Plug Wires
-310LPH SVT Fuel Pump

T5-Z Transmission
-SPEC Aluminum Flywheel
-FRPP King Cobra Clutch
-FRPP Aluminum Driveshaft
-MGW Blue Short Throw Shifter
-FRPP 5-Speed Shift Knob
-Steeda Firewall Adjuster
-Steeda Adjustable Clutch Cable
-Steeda Clutch Quadrant

7.5 Rear End
-Detroit TruTrac
-FRPP 4.10 Gears

Suspension
-Eibach Pro-Kit Lowering Springs (no isolators)
-QA1 Adjustable Shocks & Struts
-1994 Cobra Sway Bar

Tires & Wheels
-18x9 White Saleen Wheels
-275/35/18 Goodyear F1 all seasons (when drag racing, i borrow my friends MT Drag Slicks.)

Brakes
-2004 Mach 1 Calipers
-13" Brembo Cobra R Drilled Rotors
-Porterfield R4-S Brake Pads
-Griggs Racing Stainless Steel Brake Lines

Exterior
-94-98 Cobra Front Bumper
-Ford SVO Side Skirts
-Smoked Blue Oval Industries Headlights
-Ultra Clear Cobra Foglights
-Flat black Rear Bumper inserts and Lower Valance

Interior
-Corbeau Forza Seats
-MOMO Steering Wheel & Hub
-V6 Billet Headlight Knob
-Sony XPLOD Head Unit

[Kavinsky]

Alright I get it, its probably an easy win

but have you put your car on a dyno/ rolling road to see how much power and torque its putting out at it's best rpm?
and what about uprating the ecu to put some more horses in it?

[Perry]

I got a tune on the ECU now. my next step is port and polishing new heads with all new guides, valves, springs, and pushrods. then possibly forced induction.

[hallwagner]

stop lying perry...u got a 1989 ford mustang 4 cylinder....and even thats a stretch. cuz its running on three most of the time

[Perry]

nope this is my car i owns it.

[Kavinsky]

Forced Induction? what are you going the blower route like on this 70's australian ford falcon?

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[Perry]

haha i wish lol! that thing is sick

no im either going to go with an m90 supercharger or twin turbo.

[XxMastagunzxX]

You have 210 hp on the motor or to the wheels?

Also the 305 sucks dicks but if he had an Iroc it would be a different story. Also if I were you I'd do a Windsor swap into your car instead of building the good 'ol essex.

[Kavinsky]

Ever heard of Gordon Murray, if you want to go fast add lightness.

the bigger v8s are consideribly heavier than the v6 if he can pull the same amount of hp if not more out of a v6 then he's going to kick that V8s ass no matter what he's packing especially if its a california only emissions motor such as the 305.

Also did you lighten the body any with fiberglass or carbon fiber?

The day of the V8's done anyways especally with v6's producing a minimal of 300 hp in the latest camaro.

[XxMastagunzxX]

Kavinsky you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to motors.

[Kavinsky]

Yes I do and the days of "yes its a V6 but you could have had a V8" are done.

Its not all about horsepower, its horsepower, lightness and aerodynamics. hell a uprated lotus elan (1960's elan) with a 4 cly cosworth motor would probably kick the ass of every car on the dragstrip since it's aced all three of those.

Honestly tell me how many cars nowadays come under 1300 pounds?

[XxMastagunzxX]

You say v8's are done but no motors are "done." For example the Corvette ZR1 with a 6.2 Liter LS9 638-hp v8. Another example is the new mustang 5.0 motor with 412 hp. V8's are the best motors...obviously.

[Kavinsky]

The ZR1 is a 100,000+ car how many normal people do you know have a hundred plus grand lying around let alone 50 for the standard corvette and 30+ for the mustang with that V8 in addition to the price of the medium to high grade gas required to run them?


Also 26 mpg my ass with that 5.0. People are going to have their foot in it all the time and average maybe 16 and with a 16 gallon tank that's what 256 miles and if they put in the recommended 91 octane its going to get expensive real quick.


Atleast with the 300 hp v6 there going to be managing probably 20 and you dont need 300 hp+ to go fast when the cars LIGHTWEIGHT and the mustangs ain't that with a 3400 pound minimal curb weight with the base line V6

And the modern miatas 2400 pounds with 22 mpg city and 28 highway, granted the modern ones abit fatter than the old one
But don't get me wrong I like V8s but the days of having one as a daily driver are dying out fast again.

[XxMastagunzxX]

The mitatas are lightweight but they are still slow as a son of a bitch...I know because my grandma has one. Weight doesn't matter as much as you think it does. No cars are really lightweight anymore.

[Kavinsky]

"Weight doesn't matter as much as you think it does"

Ever heard of a little car called the Shelby Cobra, tiny ass car orignally a 6 clyinder AC ACE now packing a 427 V8 weighing 2340 pounds that produced 0-60 in 4.2 seconds 165 mph top speed in 1964

The lotus elan?
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/sports-cars/1969-lotus-elan/

Or the modern rendition of the cobra?
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Miatas are a little underpowered but with some mods to the motor and some weight stripping they kick ass
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[XxMastagunzxX]

Yeah I know about the elan and the ariel atom and I'd rather have something else.

[Perry]

sorry internet was down.

210 rwhp i have about 230 to the crank. 290 to the wheels.

i have a v6 because it was my friends old car and bought it off him cheap. I WIL NOT PUT A WINDSOR IN THIS CAR!!!! lol. the only engines i considered are

a.) 4.5 SVO V6 (extremely rare and expensive)
b.) 5.0 V8 (one i a thousand but cheap to mod and repair)
c.) Terminator Shortblock (expensive and really really dangerous for me to own lol)

I want a v8 and will always say v8 american muscle over anything. Its what i like lol, but the v6 can give alot more power with the right tuning. I race the Crapmaro on the 5th of june so we will see.

To Kavinsky, Im sorry i have test drove the new 5.0 v8 and yes with my foot pressed to the floor and burning rubber, i achieved an average of 22.2 MPG. at 412hp 450tq with that mileage, im down lol.

[XxMastagunzxX]

sorry internet was down.

210 rwhp i have about 230 to the crank. 290 to the wheels.

i have a v6 because it was my friends old car and bought it off him cheap. I WIL NOT PUT A WINDSOR IN THIS CAR!!!! lol. the only engines i considered are

a.) 4.5 SVO V6 (extremely rare and expensive)
b.) 5.0 V8 (one i a thousand but cheap to mod and repair)
c.) Terminator Shortblock (expensive and really really dangerous for me to own lol)

I want a v8 and will always say v8 american muscle over anything. Its what i like lol, but the v6 can give alot more power with the right tuning. I race the Crapmaro on the 5th of june so we will see.

To Kavinsky, Im sorry i have test drove the new 5.0 v8 and yes with my foot pressed to the floor and burning rubber, i achieved an average of 22.2 MPG. at 412hp 450tq with that mileage, im down lol.

The v6 can not make a lot more power. They are not good for tuning. Also the 5.0 IS A WINDSOR!!!!


Unless you mean the new 5.0

[Kavinsky]

FYI the Winsor 302 was put out of production in 1995 after 30 years of use.

I stand corrected about the new 5.0 mustang, turn's out its got 3:15 gears on it which explains the unusually good gas mileage.

If it had 4:11's I would be right about it though.


Personally after seeing this I dont think I'd ever buy any old v8 till the suspension was overhauled by hotchkis and I had all around modern disc brakes put on it.

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hence why I'm so keen on the ur quattro, it does everything a stock muscle car from that period can't.

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[Perry]

ya but remember out here on the states audi is expensive not to buy, but to maintain.

Masta.....HUSH i knew that lol, i just forgot! lol

and i can out handle and perdom audi A4 and S4 all day long. :D

[Kavinsky]

Well rule number one is don't buy a car thats going to take alot of work to fix it and rule number 2 always go to a specialist for parts not the manufacturer otherwise it's going to be fucking expensive.

and that applies to everything, hopefully with the popularity of Ashes To Ashes the market for making replacement parts for the ur quattro will bloom and more places will start to stock parts for them or create'em like the 60's and 70's muscle cars of now.

For me the ur quattro is pretty much everything I'm looking for: 4 seats, good trunkspace, good visibilty, handles, stops, is well built, reliabile, fast and not too conspicuous in a dark color.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1776/4201/29439600001_large.jpg

I mean if you dont know what it is you wouldn't bat an eye at it, unless the turbo kicked in right next to you

FYI personally I'm not really an audi guy save for this one car.

[Perry]

to me especially now though, audi is an overpriced vw.

[Kavinsky]

Then the same could be said about lamborghini and bugatti since audi, vw, lamborghini and bugatti are all owned by the same parent company.

Also I wouldnt say there overpriced VW's I'd say there the vw equavalent of what shelby is to ford.

The reason why the ur is so significant is because when the quattro was made audi was a separate company only know for making econboxes like this that my mother owned back in the day:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Audi_80_b1_v_sst.jpg/800px-Audi_80_b1_v_sst.jpg

so the quattro was pretty much there first kick ass car and I've got a thing for cars with big tires, flared wheel arches and early viper esq rims

[Perry]

oh yeah i do say that lol! dont get me wrong i love quattros and the other cars, just my forte is american muscle.


now you want an awesomesauce car that i will kill to own AN ORIGINAL is this:
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/axel4488/Other/Lancia-Stratos-HF-Group-4-27.jpg

I wouldnt mind this either
http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/axel4488/Other/lancia_delta_1994_01_s.jpg

[Perry]

oh for shits and giggles this is a previous car i owned lol.

1989 Merkur XR4TI (a.k.a. Sierra Cosworth)

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/axel4488/Merkur/Photo0016.jpg
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[Kavinsky]

Lancia's? I love lancia's, the delta, stratos, aurela. hell even the beta convertibile

Have you seen these vids of them:
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/at-the-garage/sports-cars/1958-lancia-aurelia/

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Hell even if the stratos may not exactly be the best car in the world the looks certainly make it worth it, must have been pretty god damn difficult to rally it though.

by the way god your old interior was shot to hell, what the hell happened did a mountain lion sleep on it one night and shred it?

[uuntiltheendd]

For me the ur quattro is pretty much everything I'm looking for: 4 seats, good trunkspace, good visibilty, handles, stops, is well built, reliabile, fast and not too conspicuous in a dark color.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1776/4201/29439600001_large.jpg

I mean if you dont know what it is you wouldn't bat an eye at it, unless the turbo kicked in right next to you

FYI personally I'm not really an audi guy save for this one car.

+1 very nice.
and +1 to the audi rally vid you posted.
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[Perry]

Lancia's? I love lancia's, the delta, stratos, aurela. hell even the beta convertibile


Hell even if the stratos may not exactly be the best car in the world the looks certainly make it worth it, must have been pretty god damn difficult to rally it though.

by the way god your old interior was shot to hell, what the hell happened did a mountain lion sleep on it one night and shred it?

haha no it was sitting in the back of a garage for 10 years. i picked it up for 250 bucks. by the time i was done with it, i blew the turbo (case split in two) the head was warped beyond repair and belief, and the IRS CV boots were going out.

[Kavinsky]

Did you modify it and push it beyond its limits or did something like the oil or cooling system fail?

[Perry]

nope all stock. boost was 15psi. it had a small oil leak but i ran it hard. i beat the crap out of it.

[uuntiltheendd]

gotta question about turbo engines and fuel..
will i have any really bad negative effects on my engine if i use eighty nine octane fuel instead of premium? ive been using that for the past two weeks..

[XxMastagunzxX]

If you hit high boost with low octane it can cause your engine to ping or knock. It could destroy it. You probably already had some knocking which your knock sensor detected. If so then your engine computer has already retarded your timing, which causes you to lose power.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

If you hit high boost with low octane it can cause your engine to ping or knock. It could destroy it.

89's not all that low, is it?

we just learned octane numbers in intro-o-chem about 2 weeks ago. it's a ratio of how well it burns compared to a mixture of n-octane(O.N. 100) and hexane(O.N 0). whatever percentage of n-octane in hexane equals the burnability of the gas is the octane number.

[hallwagner]

Ever heard of Gordon Murray, if you want to go fast add lightness.

the bigger v8s are consideribly heavier than the v6 if he can pull the same amount of hp if not more out of a v6 then he's going to kick that V8s ass no matter what he's packing especially if its a california only emissions motor such as the 305.

Also did you lighten the body any with fiberglass or carbon fiber?

The day of the V8's done anyways especally with v6's producing a minimal of 300 hp in the latest camaro.

add lightness? hmmmm....i dont think thats possible. maybe replacing and removing parts......

[Perry]

add lightness? hmmmm....i dont think thats possible. maybe replacing and removing parts......

do you know how much interior weighs? when mine was pulled out my car lost 400lbs. put in lighter seats, steering wheel, shifter (yes we go that far) and you can feel the difference.


gotta question about turbo engines and fuel..
will i have any really bad negative effects on my engine if i use eighty nine octane fuel instead of premium? ive been using that for the past two weeks..

i suggest keeping it at premium. 91 octane. or 93 depending on where you live.


to acolyte put it this way feller,

If i put anything less the 91 octane in my car, it will seize and explode.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

to acolyte put it this way feller,

If i put anything less the 91 octane in my car, it will seize and explode.

o.O worthless car then

[Perry]

no mine is just tuned that way. for the best performace i need this.

and besides, 87 is junk gas anyway.

[uuntiltheendd]

If you hit high boost with low octane it can cause your engine to ping or knock. It could destroy it. You probably already had some knocking which your knock sensor detected. If so then your engine computer has already retarded your timing, which causes you to lose power.

dammit. yea i think i noticed some power loss and earlier today i had some warning lights come on but they are gone now.. guess that wasnt a smart thing for me to do. back to ninety three.