Rawr
05-21-2010, 07:53 AM
I forget who I was arguing with this about, it originated from comments about military cutbacks and the cease-production of the F-22 but I was saying I loved the f-22 raptor, and the opponent was saying that the f-35 is basically the same thing as the f-22. So I decided to post the basic breakdown of the two jets.
F-22 Raptor:
* Crew: 1
* Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.90 m)
* Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m)
* Height: 16 ft 8 in (5.08 m)
* Wing area: 840 ft² (78.04 m²)
* Airfoil: NACA 64A?05.92 root, NACA 64A?04.29 tip
* Empty weight: 43,430 lb (19,700 kg[2][183])
* Loaded weight: 64,460 lb (29,300 kg[184])
* Max takeoff weight: 83,500 lb (38,000 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 Pitch Thrust vectoring turbofans
o Dry thrust: 23,500 lb[185] (104 kN) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 35,000+ lb[2][185] (156+ kN) each
* Fuel capacity: 18,000 lb (8,200 kg) internally,[2][183] or 26,000 lb (11,900 kg) with two external fuel tanks[2]
Performance
* Maximum speed:
o At altitude: Mach 2.25 (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h)
o Supercruise: Mach 1.82 (1,220 mph, 1,963 km/h)
* Range: 1,600 nmi (1,840 mi, 2,960 km) with 2 external fuel tanks
* Combat radius: 410 nmi[182] (471 mi, 759 km)
* Ferry range: 2,000 mi (1,738 nmi, 3,219 km)
* Service ceiling: 65,000 ft (19,812 m)
* Wing loading: 77 lb/ft² (375 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 1.08 (1.26 with loaded weight & 50% fuel)
* Maximum g-load: -3.0/+9.0 g
F-35 Lightning II:
* Crew: 1
* Length: 51.4 ft (15.67 m)
* Wingspan: 35 ft (10.7 m)
* Height: 14.2 ft [nb 1] (4.33 m)
* Wing area: 460 ft² [59] (42.7 m²)
* Empty weight: 29,300 lb (13,300 kg)
* Loaded weight: 44,400 lb (20,100 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 70,000 lb[nb 2] (31,800 kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan
o Dry thrust: 28,000 lbf[241] (125 kN)
o Thrust with afterburner: 43,000 lbf[241] (191 kN)
* Internal fuel: 18,480 lb (8,382 kg) [nb 3]
Performance
* Maximum speed: Mach 1.67[242] (1,283 mph, 2,065 km/h)
* Range: 1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
* Combat radius: 610 nmi (1,110 km) on internal fuel
* Service ceiling: 60,000 ft[244] (18,288 m)
* Rate of climb: classified (not publicly available)
* Wing loading: 91.4 lb/ft² (446 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight:
o With full fuel: 0.84;
o With 50% fuel: 1.04 B:
* g-Limits: 9 g[nb 4]
While they do look similar, you'll notice the f-22 is a good deal bigger and uses 2 powerplants, while the f-35 uses a single beefed up one. The F-22 has a significantly further range, and much higher top speed. You'll also notice that the f-35 isn't equipped with supercruise capability. The F-35 also does not have thrust vectoring, making it a far inferior air-to-air fighter (though it wasn't really designed for air-to-air fights). Last of the basics, F-22 stealth, f-35 not so stealth.
If you wonder why not produce an F-22?
Average cost:
F-35: $35 million
F-22: $120+ million
F-22 Raptor:
* Crew: 1
* Length: 62 ft 1 in (18.90 m)
* Wingspan: 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m)
* Height: 16 ft 8 in (5.08 m)
* Wing area: 840 ft² (78.04 m²)
* Airfoil: NACA 64A?05.92 root, NACA 64A?04.29 tip
* Empty weight: 43,430 lb (19,700 kg[2][183])
* Loaded weight: 64,460 lb (29,300 kg[184])
* Max takeoff weight: 83,500 lb (38,000 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 Pitch Thrust vectoring turbofans
o Dry thrust: 23,500 lb[185] (104 kN) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 35,000+ lb[2][185] (156+ kN) each
* Fuel capacity: 18,000 lb (8,200 kg) internally,[2][183] or 26,000 lb (11,900 kg) with two external fuel tanks[2]
Performance
* Maximum speed:
o At altitude: Mach 2.25 (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h)
o Supercruise: Mach 1.82 (1,220 mph, 1,963 km/h)
* Range: 1,600 nmi (1,840 mi, 2,960 km) with 2 external fuel tanks
* Combat radius: 410 nmi[182] (471 mi, 759 km)
* Ferry range: 2,000 mi (1,738 nmi, 3,219 km)
* Service ceiling: 65,000 ft (19,812 m)
* Wing loading: 77 lb/ft² (375 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight: 1.08 (1.26 with loaded weight & 50% fuel)
* Maximum g-load: -3.0/+9.0 g
F-35 Lightning II:
* Crew: 1
* Length: 51.4 ft (15.67 m)
* Wingspan: 35 ft (10.7 m)
* Height: 14.2 ft [nb 1] (4.33 m)
* Wing area: 460 ft² [59] (42.7 m²)
* Empty weight: 29,300 lb (13,300 kg)
* Loaded weight: 44,400 lb (20,100 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 70,000 lb[nb 2] (31,800 kg)
* Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan
o Dry thrust: 28,000 lbf[241] (125 kN)
o Thrust with afterburner: 43,000 lbf[241] (191 kN)
* Internal fuel: 18,480 lb (8,382 kg) [nb 3]
Performance
* Maximum speed: Mach 1.67[242] (1,283 mph, 2,065 km/h)
* Range: 1,200 nmi (2,220 km) on internal fuel
* Combat radius: 610 nmi (1,110 km) on internal fuel
* Service ceiling: 60,000 ft[244] (18,288 m)
* Rate of climb: classified (not publicly available)
* Wing loading: 91.4 lb/ft² (446 kg/m²)
* Thrust/weight:
o With full fuel: 0.84;
o With 50% fuel: 1.04 B:
* g-Limits: 9 g[nb 4]
While they do look similar, you'll notice the f-22 is a good deal bigger and uses 2 powerplants, while the f-35 uses a single beefed up one. The F-22 has a significantly further range, and much higher top speed. You'll also notice that the f-35 isn't equipped with supercruise capability. The F-35 also does not have thrust vectoring, making it a far inferior air-to-air fighter (though it wasn't really designed for air-to-air fights). Last of the basics, F-22 stealth, f-35 not so stealth.
If you wonder why not produce an F-22?
Average cost:
F-35: $35 million
F-22: $120+ million