WCS rules [Warding]

[Nicknames]

Carina < Ibis.a > slayed someone for warding the hostage area on cs_office and echo501st<ibis.a> explained to me that, it is blocking the objective. The objective is for the Counter Terrorists to save the hostages and bring them back to the spawn. There is no objective to block when you are a counter terrorist. Counter terrorists should be able to ward any map freely with the exception of nipperhouse and crackhouse. But in my opinion wards should be legal everywhere with the exception of blocking the objective. Wards only last a fraction of the round time when its 3+ minutes per round. and can be avoided.

I have no personal hatred towards these two, just would like admin clarification.


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5. Wards can be used anywhere provided they’re not blocking the objective. however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies to Strider as well.
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The Scenarios
Hostage Rescue
As a terrorist, your role in a hostage rescue level is to prevent counter-terrorists (CTs) from leading the hostages from where they are being held to the hostage rescue zone. Terrorists win hostage rescue rounds by eliminating the counter-terrorist force while preventing them from rescuing hostages. CTs win a round by finding the hostages and leading more than half of them to freedom.
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I think that it is unrealistic to slay someone who is warding the hostage area with counter terrorist. It is a ability to kill the enemy. Warding the hostage area as terrorist is a different issue and is blocking the objective.

AM I IN THE WRONG HERE?

[Bullshit]

No matter what may you never ward an objective. If its blocking or not.


3) Taking advantage of a mod

A) When used to break the normal functionality of the game

a) Such as wards or poison smoke being used on bombs and hostages

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495

[Carina]

Carina < Ibis.a > slayed someone for warding the hostage area on cs_office and echo501st<ibis.a> explained to me that, it is blocking the objective. The objective is for the Counter Terrorists to save the hostages and bring them back to the spawn. There is no objective to block when you are a counter terrorist. Counter terrorists should be able to ward any map freely with the exception of nipperhouse and crackhouse. But in my opinion wards should be legal everywhere with the exception of blocking the objective. Wards only last a fraction of the round time when its 3+ minutes per round. and can be avoided.

I have no personal hatred towards these two, just would like admin clarification.


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5. Wards can be used anywhere provided they’re not blocking the objective. however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies to Strider as well.
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The Scenarios
Hostage Rescue
As a terrorist, your role in a hostage rescue level is to prevent counter-terrorists (CTs) from leading the hostages from where they are being held to the hostage rescue zone. Terrorists win hostage rescue rounds by eliminating the counter-terrorist force while preventing them from rescuing hostages. CTs win a round by finding the hostages and leading more than half of them to freedom.
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I think that it is unrealistic to slay someone who is warding the hostage area with counter terrorist. It is a ability to kill the enemy. Warding the hostage area as terrorist is a different issue and is blocking the objective.

AM I IN THE WRONG HERE?

It dosent matter wich team you on.. you can not ward the objektiv.. and that is just how it is..
Had he been summoned it would have been diffrent, but he wassent summoned..

And i had warned him many times.. both in office and the map before that.. And so did Echo..

[Nicknames]

It dosent matter wich team you on.. you can not ward the objektiv.. and that is just how it is..
Had he been summoned it would have been diffrent, but he wassent summoned..

And i had warned him many times.. both in office and the map before that.. And so did Echo..

The objectives for the team are different if your a terrorist and ward the hostages it is blocking the hostages and therefore blocking the objective of the counter-terrorist. If you are terrorist your objective is to kill the counter-terrorists before they rescue the hostages. there is no area where you must be or block unlike the counter-terrorists need to go to specific areas to pick up and drop off the hostages.

Edit: I'm not attacking you in anyway.. I'm just trying to have less admins whining about wards and slaying people that shouldn't be slayed.

[Carina]

The objectives for the team are different if your a terrorist and ward the hostages it is blocking the hostages and therefore blocking the objective of the counter-terrorist. If you are terrorist your objective is to kill the counter-terrorists before they rescue the hostages. there is no area where you must be or block unlike the counter-terrorists need to go to specific areas to pick up and drop off the hostages.

Edit: I'm not attacking you in anyway.. I'm just trying to have less admins whining about wards and slaying people that shouldn't be slayed.

that is how the rules are.. You can not ward the objektiv no matter what team your on.. If you have a problem witht the rules, take it up with Zero and the others that have made the rules..

and i know you not attacking me ;) im just trying to get you to see the point :wtg:

[Nicknames]

that is how the rules are.. You can not ward the objektiv no matter what team your on.. If you have a problem witht the rules, take it up with Zero and the others that have made the rules..

and i know you not attacking me ;) im just trying to get you to see the point :wtg:

You don't understand there are different objectives for counter-terrorists and terrorists. they both do not have the same objective.

[Carina]

You don't understand there are different objectives for counter-terrorists and terrorists. they both do not have the same objective.

Yes i do know that.. But the rules says NO ONE can ward hostige/ bomb spot..

[Nicknames]

Yes i do know that.. But the rules says NO ONE can ward hostige/ bomb spot..

5. Wards can be used anywhere provided they’re not blocking the objective. however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies to Strider as well.

It says you can not block the objective... nothing about bomb sites or hostages.

[Carina]

5. Wards can be used anywhere provided they’re not blocking the objective. however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies to Strider as well.

It says you can not block the objective... nothing about bomb sites or hostages.

objektiv is bomb and hostige..

[acolyte_to_jippity]

nick, that's enough. stop while you're in a position to recover from it.

follow the rules, and don't fight them.

[Nicknames]

nick, that's enough. stop while you're in a position to recover from it.

follow the rules, and don't fight them.

5. Wards can be used anywhere provided they’re not blocking the objective. however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies to Strider as well.

This is the rule ... or am I wrong?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

that is the rule you're arguing.

yes.


let me spell it out for you. do not ward the objective. unless you are summoned there, then it's alright to lay them as soon as you arrive.

objective is the bombsites, hosties, hostie rescue zone, the bomb(if it's laying on the ground)


i don't quite understand what your difficulty is in understanding that

[Nicknames]

that is the rule you're arguing.

yes.


let me spell it out for you. do not ward the objective. unless you are summoned there, then it's alright to lay them as soon as you arrive.

objective is the bombsites, hosties, hostie rescue zone, the bomb(if it's laying on the ground)


i don't quite understand what your difficulty is in understanding that

sigh....

[acolyte_to_jippity]

sigh....

ok then, enlighten me.

what is the reason you're finding it so hard to understand this fairly simple rule?

[Nicknames]

The objectives for the team are different if your a terrorist and ward the hostages it is blocking the hostages and therefore blocking the objective of the counter-terrorist. If you are terrorist your objective is to kill the counter-terrorists before they rescue the hostages. there is no area where you must be or block unlike the counter-terrorists need to go to specific areas to pick up and drop off the hostages.

this statement
is there a loop hole in my logic?

[Carina]

this statement
is there a loop hole in my logic?

The objekt for T isnt nessearty to kill CT but to to keep the hostiages until time runs out..
just like in a Bomb map where the main obejective for CT is to not let T plant bomb and for T to plant it.
The fact that you kill just makes it easyer to win

[Nicknames]

The objekt for T isnt nessearty to kill CT but to to keep the hostiages until time runs out..
just like in a Bomb map where the main obejective for CT is to not let T plant bomb and for T to plant it.
The fact that you kill just makes it easyer to win

The objective is to prevent the bomb from blowing up. even if you plant 20 bombs and none of them blow up your a useless terrorist.

and

The objective is to prevent the counter-terrorists from saving the hostages.




The aim of playing a map is to accomplish a map's objective. There are many types of objectives that a map can have, but the ultimate goal of the game is to win more rounds than the opposing team, which is accomplished by fulfilling the map's winning conditions. Some winning conditions include defusing a bomb, planting a bomb and preventing it from being defused by the other team, rescuing all the hostages on a map, preventing the hostages from being rescued, and defeat all the members of the opposing team.
with the objective of killing the other team off topic.

[Christmas]

The objectives for the team are different if your a terrorist and ward the hostages it is blocking the hostages and therefore blocking the objective of the counter-terrorist. If you are terrorist your objective is to kill the counter-terrorists before they rescue the hostages. there is no area where you must be or block unlike the counter-terrorists need to go to specific areas to pick up and drop off the hostages.

Edit: I'm not attacking you in anyway.. I'm just trying to have less admins whining about wards and slaying people that shouldn't be slayed.

You need to work on your english. Too much word salad here.

And don't argue the rules. They are set in stone.

[maynard]

nick stop arguing. there's a reason you're the only person not understanding this.

carina is correct, you can't ward the objective at any point or time, regardless of what side you're on.

[Nicknames]

You need to work on your english. Too much word salad here.

And don't argue the rules. They are set in stone.


how ironic ....

[Christmas]

how ironic ....

There's no irony in what I said.

[whytboiz33]

when you say it takes a fraction of a time through the round for the ward to last: they typically only activate the ward when they see 20+ people rushing the house. so TYPICALLY, each ward will eliminate the bulk of the rush. people dont just randomly ward the house, thus meaning, you normally dont see the ward from out side.

having to explain this makes me believe you are possibly defective.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

when you say it takes a fraction of a time through the round for the ward to last: they typically only activate the ward when they see 20+ people rushing the house. so TYPICALLY, each ward will eliminate the bulk of the rush. people dont just randomly ward the house, thus meaning, you normally dont see the ward from out side.

having to explain this makes me believe you are possibly defective.

...what?

[diablo]

You shall not ward the objective. I understand your point of view, but believe me, people abuse wards all the time. If we allow to ward the objective people will abuse it and they will do it randomly. We just set this rule to avoind easy kills and for your own sake. None the less.

[tj26]

The objekt for T isnt nessearty to kill CT but to to keep the hostiages until time runs out..
just like in a Bomb map where the main obejective for CT is to not let T plant bomb and for T to plant it.
The fact that you kill just makes it easyer to win




ill be the one to say this although carina got close to what im thinking

a lot of people guard the rooms to the hosties so therefore if u go in and ward it, it is than blocking them from protecting the hosties which is there objective

[Blackmage]

And because it hasn't been said enough, what that phrase means is: the objective OF THE MAP. Not the team's objectives. When the rules mention the objective, it is what the map has you defending, or attacking.