I dont have this kind of money

[StarsMine]

Well I got my car to the shop yesterday beacuse none of the gauges were working... just got a call and its going to cost $909 to get fixed :plzdie:

some Body control module

its a 93 grand voyager

[Spasm]

Well I got my car to the shop yesterday beacuse none of the gauges were working... just got a call and its going to cost $909 to get fixed :plzdie:

some Body control module

its a 93 grand voyager

mmmmhmmm that sucks man, good luck

[Perry]

that sucks.

hooray for analog pressure and spring gauges!

[Andrew_Pavlik]

To be honest a 93' caravan isn't worth 900.

But if you want it fixed, search ebay or any local pull parts place for a used BCM and then search the interwebs on how to install it yourself. It should be a "simple" unplug-replug process but not sure how hard or easy it would be to get to it.

[hallwagner]

Well I got my car to the shop yesterday beacuse none of the gauges were working... just got a call and its going to cost $909 to get fixed :plzdie:

some Body control module

its a 93 grand voyager

wow you drive a lamer car than i thought you would, sell your third world country soccer mom van. save up a little more over time and buy a better NON-AMERICAN car, preferably japanese

[StarsMine]

wow you drive a lamer car than i thought you would, sell your third world country soccer mom van. save up a little more over time and buy a better NON-AMERICAN car, preferably japanese

What? :lmao: its a hand me down.

[hallwagner]

What? :lmao: its a hand me down.

and you live in the dc metro area correct? theres plenty of public transportation here. alot less hassle and cost than driving an american minivan

[Andrew_Pavlik]

buy a better NON-AMERICAN car, preferably japanese

Let me guess, all you know about cars you learned from 'fast and furious' right?

[StarsMine]

and you live in the dc metro area correct? theres plenty of public transportation here. alot less hassle and cost than driving an american minivan

public transportion only goes so far. If I want to ride the metro I have to go to springfield first(and its not that cheep anymore if you havnt heard). the train, I have to go 5 miles to get to the station. omnilink... well living life on a schedule is boring. and none of them are cheaper when I dont have to pay for insurance, and even though I offered to pay for my gas, my dad does.

Andrew, he does have somewhat of a point, Toyota and Honda are great car company, but then you have to relize half of the cars are made in america.

[Perry]

other than the gauge problem, does it run well?

if so go to the junkyard pull the BCM and fix it yourself lol. Honestly you have a great feel of accomplishment aftwerwards.

[XxMastagunzxX]

wow you drive a lamer car than i thought you would, sell your third world country soccer mom van. save up a little more over time and buy a better NON-AMERICAN car, preferably japanese

STFU

American cars ftw

[hallwagner]

Let me guess, all you know about cars you learned from 'fast and furious' right?

no, just the years and years of research done proving that Japanese cars have much better reliability than all other countries. if you mod your Japanese car, that only pushes your insurance and repair costs up. in my opinion the best car for a teen who is short on cash is a Toyota corolla or a Honda civic, stock. i actually learned nothing about cars from fast and furious or any other racing oriented movies. from years and years of working on cars, reading magazines such as consumer reports, road and track, excellence etc, and learning from my father who has a lot of experience in working on and buying cars. its a fact that american cars in general are technologically and mechanically inferior to Japanese cars in terms of quality and cost-effectiveness, for the most part

[acolyte_to_jippity]

no, just the years and years of research done proving that Japanese cars have much better reliability than all other countries. if you mod your Japanese car, that only pushes your insurance and repair costs up. in my opinion the best car for a teen who is short on cash is a Toyota corolla or a Honda civic, stock. i actually learned nothing about cars from fast and furious or any other racing oriented movies. from years and years of working on cars, reading magazines such as consumer reports, road and track, excellence etc, and learning from my father who has a lot of experience in working on and buying cars. its a fact that american cars in general are technologically and mechanically inferior to Japanese cars in terms of quality and cost-effectiveness, for the most part

i'd say an older (like, '03-'07) toyota camery would be better. those cars are solid. seriously. i'm driving a 2000 camery. few major problems. now, the engine was replaced about 5 months ago, because i blew it up, but at the time it had 160000+ miles on it. they're cars to buy and use for years upon years

[Perry]

ya Japanese know how to make wonderful cars......

stuck gas pedals and NOW Lexus is recalling engines because they shutoff for no fucking reason while driving. on top of the major recall on camrys and the lexus equivilant wheel bearings and cv axles a couple years ago.

[StarsMine]

other than the gauge problem, does it run well?

if so go to the junkyard pull the BCM and fix it yourself lol. Honestly you have a great feel of accomplishment aftwerwards.

The car runs quite well, the only major things that annoy me is the 16mpg and the 17 year speakers that cannot handle bass well at all. only has 84000 miles on it

[echo501st]

wtf, buy japenese???
fuck no. I wouldnt trust a company like toyota who's catch phrase is "toyota, moving forward even when you dont want to."

[loka]

My Corolla doesn't bother me. I'm leaving my Corolla to my father for him to sell so I can then buy something I want. I've only driven Japanese cars, and cars solely depend on how you treat them and how you drive them.

[XxMastagunzxX]

Ford 4 life

Nissan is number 2 in my book

[echo501st]

I love my car, then again its a 2001 c320 mercedes, its great to drive. If i want to get a cd changer installed through mercedes its $1,600. fuck no. i talked to a audio store and theyed have set me up with a new deck for $400, with fiberoptics.
on another note. its $120 per hour its in there shop. what fuckheads

[hallwagner]

i'd say an older (like, '03-'07) toyota camery would be better. those cars are solid. seriously. i'm driving a 2000 camery. few major problems. now, the engine was replaced about 5 months ago, because i blew it up, but at the time it had 160000+ miles on it. they're cars to buy and use for years upon years

i recommend a civic mainly because its smaller and gets excellent mpg. plus its cheap as hell. camry's are good, but if possible id get a smaller car, not that the camry is huge or anything, its just larger than a civic or corolla

[hallwagner]

Ford 4 life

Nissan is number 2 in my book

great, the least reliable american car company, coupled with a brand that is sub-par for japans standards. Mazda is another great car maker too

[XxMastagunzxX]

You really don't know what the fuck you are talking about so stfu now

[StarsMine]

great, the least reliable american car company, coupled with a brand that is sub-par for japans standards. Mazda is another great car maker too

Ford least reliable american? I thought that was GM :/

Way to derail my thread with a bunch of BS guys

[hallwagner]

You really don't know what the fuck you are talking about so stfu now

go do research nub, maybe not the LEAST, but FAR more so than honda and toyota.

[XxMastagunzxX]

go do research nub, maybe not the LEAST, but FAR more so than honda and toyota.

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

[StarsMine]

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

Consumer reports?

Ford is one of the great American companies, I have no clue what he is talking about.

[hallwagner]

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/cr-recommended/best-worst-in-car-reliability-1005/reliability-findings/reliability-findings.htm ok ford is the most reliable american brand, but japanese cars are superior

[hallwagner]

Consumer reports?

Ford is one of the great American companies, I have no clue what he is talking about.

ford is the best AMERICAN manufacturer, but far down on an international list

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Seriously hallwanger you have no idea what you are talking about.

You say Ford is unreliable but then say Mazda is good? Ford makes mazda's you retard.

I'm with Masta on this, Ford is my #1.

Also a car is only as reliable as you make it. Sure some cars make it easier then others, but once again you have to know what engines are going in what.

Chrylser's 2.5l engine is probably the worse engine ever.
Ford's 4.6 and v10 are really good, there 5.4 are not.
GM's v6's and heavy duty engines like 5.7's and up are good. The rest arn't.
Honda can make a wonderful 4cyl engine, anything else and they are problematic, same with Toyota.
BMW's v6 are probably the best in the world, there v8's - v10's(new) and v12's are probably the scariest.
VW can make a decent engine but there auto transmissions are crap.
Mercedes are very heavily electronically oriented.
etc etc...

There are pro's and con's with all car makers. Saying American cars are crap and to buy a toyota and a honda just because they are flat better is ignorant and shows your overall knowledge of cars which probably stems from just commercials.

Probably some of the best cars on the road right now and anywhere is the ford fusion and any Hyundai.

And just saying, "why dont you buy a cheap civic?" Sure... if he can't afford 900$ to repair, he isn't going to be buying no civic for less, maybe a high mileage 88' civic.

The best advice for him was to go get his own BCM and learn how to fix it himself.

[Perry]

great, the least reliable american car company, coupled with a brand that is sub-par for japans standards. Mazda is another great car maker too

hey dumbass. WHO MAKES MAZDA!!!!!!!!!!!

Mazda 3 = Focus

Mazda 6 = fusion

edit: just saw masta beat me...but still!

[Perry]

Let me help you here



Seriously hallwanger you have no idea what you are talking about.

You say Ford is unreliable but then say Mazda is good? Ford makes mazda's you retard.

I'm with Masta on this, Ford is my #1.

Also a car is only as reliable as you make it. Sure some cars make it easier then others, but once again you have to know what engines are going in what.

Chrylser's 2.5l engine is probably the worse engine ever.
CORRECT!!!

Ford's 4.6 and v10 are really good, there 5.4 are not.
the 5.4 is a forged internal block. one of the most reliable in performance and towing.

GM's v6's and heavy duty engines like 5.7's and up are good. The rest arn't.
the 5.3 v8 that replaced the 5.7 makes the same hp/tq with less wear and tear, also better mileage

Honda can make a wonderful 4cyl engine, anything else and they are problematic, same with Toyota.
Correct

BMW's v6 are probably the best in the world, there v8's - v10's(new) and v12's are probably the scariest.
BMW are known for the STRAIGHT 6 nor v6. Also, BMW are overpriced too. Also. the audi W12 i believe is better. but that is just opinion there lol

VW can make a decent engine but there auto transmissions are crap.
once again correct.

Mercedes are very heavily electronically oriented.
etc etc...
and overpriced.


There are pro's and con's with all car makers. Saying American cars are crap and to buy a toyota and a honda just because they are flat better is ignorant and shows your overall knowledge of cars which probably stems from just commercials.

Probably some of the best cars on the road right now and anywhere is the ford fusion and any Hyundai. As much as i hate to agree...the tiburon is pretty nice.

And just saying, "why dont you buy a cheap civic?" Sure... if he can't afford 900$ to repair, he isn't going to be buying no civic for less, maybe a high mileage 88' civic.

Correct. thanks to idiots who went and saw F&F and then looked at there shitty civics and integras and thought, "I got a fuckin race car" anything honda now is overpriced by 2 grand on average

The best advice for him was to go get his own BCM and learn how to fix it himself.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Yes Perry BMW's are inline 6's. I forgot >< when typing this.

the W12 is most likely better, by scary I mean are SUPER expensive to fix and arn't that good.

Still not sure about the 5.4. Perhaps just different experiences.

[Perry]

i have firends who have the GT500 and Lightning trucks. I have heard and seen some of the issues you are talkin about. But the problem was idiots who either

A. turn the boost up with out a proper tune, wideband, and better cooling system.

or

B. run them to the ground without the proper maintenance

yes. anything w12 is gunna be scary to fix lol! just think of a head job on those fuckers lol!

[Rage]

This order for best trucks

GMC
DODGE
CHEVY
TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
FORD


If I knew you better I'd help ya out.

[Perry]

This order for the WORST trucks

GMC
DODGE
CHEVY
TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
FORD


If I knew you better I'd help ya out.

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

[StarsMine]

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

the fuck, Toyota makes great long lasting trunks.
GM, making good cars? you make me laugh rage the only good thing they have is onstar


and damn it guys stop derailing my thread

[Perry]

My family owned plenty of GM vehicles. everyone of them lasted longer than 10 years, and usually ended up have over 200k on them before trading them in.

I had a toyota tacoma, very nice but i didnt care for it. The tundra = crap.

Sorry for the derailing.

[hallwagner]

Seriously hallwanger you have no idea what you are talking about.

You say Ford is unreliable but then say Mazda is good? Ford makes mazda's you retard.

I'm with Masta on this, Ford is my #1.

Also a car is only as reliable as you make it. Sure some cars make it easier then others, but once again you have to know what engines are going in what.

Chrylser's 2.5l engine is probably the worse engine ever.
Ford's 4.6 and v10 are really good, there 5.4 are not.
GM's v6's and heavy duty engines like 5.7's and up are good. The rest arn't.
Honda can make a wonderful 4cyl engine, anything else and they are problematic, same with Toyota.
BMW's v6 are probably the best in the world, there v8's - v10's(new) and v12's are probably the scariest.
VW can make a decent engine but there auto transmissions are crap.
Mercedes are very heavily electronically oriented.
etc etc...

There are pro's and con's with all car makers. Saying American cars are crap and to buy a toyota and a honda just because they are flat better is ignorant and shows your overall knowledge of cars which probably stems from just commercials.

Probably some of the best cars on the road right now and anywhere is the ford fusion and any Hyundai.

And just saying, "why dont you buy a cheap civic?" Sure... if he can't afford 900$ to repair, he isn't going to be buying no civic for less, maybe a high mileage 88' civic.

The best advice for him was to go get his own BCM and learn how to fix it himself.

the engine isnt the only thing that factors into a cars reliability dumbass. mazda hasnt always been owned by ford as far as i know, maybe recently, but im talking before 2000. and buying a 2000 or so honda civic is a much better idea than a 93 plymouth grand voyager in terms of cost. factoring in repair costs and frequency, gas mileage, and costs that are not financial, such as convenience, enjoyment, and size. 88 civic is way too old and depending on the condition of the voyager and how much extra cash you have, you should be able to get a much better car than your current one. and i know the fusion is a great car, im talking about manufacturer averages. ford has some good models and some bad ones. but in terms of overall reliability, japanese cars are proven to be better as a whole. most of the engines you listed for american brands as being good, were 6 cylinders or more, not a great idea for money saving

[Rage]

wut. Rage you have alot to learn. GMC and Chevy are the same company. THE SAME TRUCK RIGHT DOWN THE THE BOLTS.

Now lemme fix this bs for you.

This order for the WORST trucks. from worst to best:

TOYOTA (Only the tundra)
NISSAN (Only the titan)
GMC
CHEVY
DODGE
FORD

Sure, same company, but not entirely same truck. I'm not stupid perry. I've been around trucks my entire life. All I do all summer long is build mud trucks, etc etc. Chevy's are known for more factory defects.

And the tundra is far from the worst truck. all tundra's come with a posi rear end. Ever see a tundra match up with a chevy or ford? No chance for other trucks.

Suck on this perry and star, suck on this. 8====3

http://www.truckblog.com/1653-1991_chevrolet_silverado_hits_1_million_miles
http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/750kduramaxc.htm

Show me a ford that can match that amount of greatness

[Nemesis]

my '94 Ford Tempo is better than anything listed here.

[Perry]

holy shit i was waiting for someone to pull the tempo out.

Rage are you talkin diesel or gas? diesel nothing compares to the Cummins straight 6 turbo diesel.

Idk why people give the tundra a good name, i personally think they are cheaply made and kinda cheesy in driveability.

and hall, mazda has been owned by for since 1992

[hallwagner]

holy shit i was waiting for someone to pull the tempo out.

Rage are you talkin diesel or gas? diesel nothing compares to the Cummins straight 6 turbo diesel.

Idk why people give the tundra a good name, i personally think they are cheaply made and kinda cheesy in driveability.

and hall, mazda has been owned by for since 1992

yea and the only mazda's ive personally had the chance to witness in my own family was a 1991 mazda mpv, and a 2004 mazda 3, the 1991 mazda mpv was an awesome van, until it completely fucked up last year. running on 3 out of 6 cylinders and slipping transmission, plus tons of physical defects. but thats 18 years and 175k miles later...good car. the mazda 3 hasnt had any problems either, but its only got 70 k miles

[Rage]

I'm talking both.

And yes, the cummins diesel engine's are without a doubt, the best.

You can give a powerstroke about 450hp before the engine starts eating itself, the 6.6l duramax is about 525hp, and the cummins is 1000hp
Plus cummins are just ungodly reliable. Plus the dodge 318 was one of the best gas engines ever made. You fucking can't kill them!

[Perry]

yea and the only mazda's ive personally had the chance to witness in my own family was a 1991 mazda mpv, and a 2004 mazda 3, the 1991 mazda mpv was an awesome van, until it completely fucked up last year. running on 3 out of 6 cylinders and slipping transmission, plus tons of physical defects. but thats 18 years and 175k miles later...good car. the mazda 3 hasnt had any problems either, but its only got 70 k miles

oh ya those little MPV things ran. my old neighbor still has one. the only thing i can tell you with the Mazda three is watch out on the control arm bushings. they like to eat those lol.


I'm talking both.

And yes, the cummins diesel engine's are without a doubt, the best.

You can give a powerstroke about 450hp before the engine starts eating itself, the 6.6l duramax is about 525hp, and the cummins is 1000hp
Plus cummins are just ungodly reliable. Plus the dodge 318 was one of the best gas engines ever made. You fucking can't kill them!

mopar ftw lol.

[whytboiz33]

chevy.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Rage, GMC and Chevy trucks are the same, they only differ cosmetically. A lot of the GMC trucks - chevy trucks and even Escalades are made in the same factory's.

I believe trucks differ in what you wanna do with them, Ranger > s10, silverado > f150 > 1500 Ram(pre- 03' after that I believe the f150's overhaul really changed there over all quality) and then heavy duty diesel is dodge > ford > chevy.

Sure the z71 models of chevy's drive super nice.


http://www.truckblog.com/1653-1991_c..._million_miles
http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/750kduramaxc.htm

Show me a ford that can match that amount of greatness

I bought a 99' explorer that had 560k on it and a 94' ram that had 630k on it, other trucks and cars are more then capable of making it that fair. The v10 f250 my cousin uses to tow dolly his cars has 310k on it and has owned it when it had 150k and it's one of the nicest driving trucks I have ever drove.


the engine isnt the only thing that factors into a cars reliability dumbass. mazda hasnt always been owned by ford as far as i know, maybe recently, but im talking before 2000. and buying a 2000 or so honda civic is a much better idea than a 93 plymouth grand voyager in terms of cost. factoring in repair costs and frequency, gas mileage, and costs that are not financial, such as convenience, enjoyment, and size. 88 civic is way too old and depending on the condition of the voyager and how much extra cash you have, you should be able to get a much better car than your current one. and i know the fusion is a great car, im talking about manufacturer averages. ford has some good models and some bad ones. but in terms of overall reliability, japanese cars are proven to be better as a whole. most of the engines you listed for american brands as being good, were 6 cylinders or more, not a great idea for money saving

Why is he still able to post in this thread?! lol, the 3800 engine developed by GMC/chevy/pontiac/buick or whatever you wanna believe or think is a different car company, hallwagner, is one of the best engines ever.

[XxMastagunzxX]

The 5.4 is basically the same motor as the 4.6

[StarsMine]

I wonder if the BCM has been causing the other problems with the car, first the gas gauge sort of failed out (once you get to two thirds it goes "empty" until its 1/8th full) and then the power locks.

[XxMastagunzxX]

Sure, same company, but not entirely same truck. I'm not stupid perry. I've been around trucks my entire life. All I do all summer long is build mud trucks, etc etc. Chevy's are known for more factory defects.

And the tundra is far from the worst truck. all tundra's come with a posi rear end. Ever see a tundra match up with a chevy or ford? No chance for other trucks.

Suck on this perry and star, suck on this. 8====3

http://www.truckblog.com/1653-1991_chevrolet_silverado_hits_1_million_miles
http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/750kduramaxc.htm

Show me a ford that can match that amount of greatness


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czYUZOlclSo

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/04/another-million-mile-vehicle-97-ford-e-250-set-to-roll-its-odo/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYum5V90O_Y&feature=related

that's just a few

[Perry]

The 5.4 is basically the same motor as the 4.6

yes and no. they do share ALOT of things, but the timing covers and cam set up are different


I wonder if the BCM has been causing the other problems with the car, first the gas gauge sort of failed out (once you get to two thirds it goes "empty" until its 1/8th full) and then the power locks.

yes that could be. But also that could be a faulty gas dipper thingy.

[Rage]

Mastergunz the 83 town car has a rebuilt engine... that totally defeats the purpose