need help with mac

[uuntiltheendd]

not really but my friend wants to buy one and im trying to dissuade him from it. i know there have been vids in the mega video thread and possibly other threads on why pcs are better than macs but i doubt i will find what im looking for.

so could anybody give me the reasons why a pc would be much better than a mac so i can enlighten my friend.

vids would be cool too. ty.

[hallwagner]

not really but my friend wants to buy one and im trying to dissuade him from it. i know there have been vids in the mega video thread and possibly other threads on why pcs are better than macs but i doubt i will find what im looking for.

so could anybody give me the reasons why a pc would be much better than a mac so i can enlighten my friend.

vids would be cool too. ty.

it really depends on what he wants do use the computer for. if he wants to game, he should definitely get a pc. if he wants to do some artsy shit like photo-editing or something, then he should get a mac. idk if this is still true, but macs dont get nearly as many viruses and are easier to maintain, and also more reliable

[ZERO]

Here is how it goes down, anything you can do I can do better. Why because I am not on a Mac. There is nothing that a Mac can do that a pc can not do but there are so many things that a pc can do that they are too numerous to list. In addition while mac is marketed to perform some "special" tasks, in almost all cases the windows system does them all better. Why, well for the same $$ the windows system is way more powerful.

The only and I mean ONLY reason to have a mac is that they require virtually no maintenance to maintain. They are made for a retarded a epileptic monkey with alzheimers. If that does not describe you than there is no reason to use it. Your grandmother yes but not you.

Another example is that a mac is like a golf cart. Sure it goes around but do not plan to do anything too fast or anything too crazy. they do not require a lot of care however in the case of the mac they are the most expensive form of transportation.

Now windows is more like an SUV except in this case it is actually cheaper than a golf cart by a factor of two. So for way less money you get something that has a lot more options and power and can pretty much go where ever you want. However being a more powerful vehicle you need to do regular maintenance and a bit more care than you would with just a golf cart.

Also linux is like a space ship that can travel though time and is free. Yes if you do not use it correctly the fate of the universe could be in a very bad place.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

im assuming your friend knows nothing about computers if he is seriously considering wasting money on a mac.

plain and simple windows is way more user friendly for those noobs who know nothing about computers.

i would have him read this, then when he chooses to go with a PC set him up with AVG and other stuff so he doesn't get him self fucked with a blue screen

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6126_102-0.html?threadID=105691

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yeah, if your friend wants image-editing, have him get linux. The GIMP is far more advanced than photoshop ever hopes to be

[ZERO]

Gimp is what I use on windows....

Also if he hates money that much he can paint it white so it is just like a mac.

[XxMastagunzxX]

so could anybody give me the reasons why a pc would be much better than a mac so i can enlighten my friend.

vids would be cool too. ty.

One reason he should buy a pc is because if he buys a mac I will punch him in the face.

[hallwagner]

One reason he should buy a pc is because if he buys a mac I will punch him in the face.

chuck norris speaks

[loka]

Yeah, if he is using the Mac for art (mainly photography more and graphic designing second) and engineering projects with AutoCad and blahblahblah, then that is his best bet. My old roommate who is plastic engineer needs her Mac... so it's also by what they are using it for.

[Jimbear]

GIMP can't touch CS5 in terms of capability, or performance. And before you say it runs faster it your pentium4, remember that PERFORMING isnt the same as GOING FAST. You have to be able to get things done, and CS5 can do more things.

Also: the newest Mac stuff runs on the same hardware PCs do, including pentium processors, albeit a generation behind the enthusiast offerings. I don't think you can even buy a mac with a GTX480, but i havent browsed in a while. The OS is more stable only because the software for is developed by the same company that makes the computer, ensuring compatibility. If Adobe made computers, everyone would buy them for premier, CS5, elements and flash would always run great. But since the best software is going to be made for the largest market, its easier for you (and cheaper) to build (or buy) a PC.

And besides! You can always go buy a copy of OSX and dualboot it, although making a hackintosh isn't quite as easy as dualbooting some flavor of linux

[uuntiltheendd]

One reason he should buy a pc is because if he buys a mac I will punch him in the face.
:lmao:

Gimp is what I use on windows....

Also if he hates money that much he can paint it white so it is just like a mac.

hes going to be using it for school and gaming.

i showed him what you posted earlier and im sure hes going with a pc now lol ty

[ZERO]

GIMP can't touch CS5 in terms of capability, or performance. And before you say it runs faster it your pentium4, remember that PERFORMING isnt the same as GOING FAST. You have to be able to get things done, and CS5 can do more things.

Also: the newest Mac stuff runs on the same hardware PCs do, including pentium processors, albeit a generation behind the enthusiast offerings. I don't think you can even buy a mac with a GTX480, but i havent browsed in a while. The OS is more stable only because the software for is developed by the same company that makes the computer, ensuring compatibility. If Adobe made computers, everyone would buy them for premier, CS5, elements and flash would always run great. But since the best software is going to be made for the largest market, its easier for you (and cheaper) to build (or buy) a PC.

And besides! You can always go buy a copy of OSX and dualboot it, although making a hackintosh isn't quite as easy as dualbooting some flavor of linux

Even with the same hardware (same physical computer) mac benchmarks and performs slower.

Here is also a test with HL2 showing the performance difference: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3759/mac-os-x-steam-performance-half-life-2-episode-2-still-slower-than-windows

[brentidge]

because if you get a mac then people will make fun of him!

[maynard]

fuck macs

[mastercheff]

fuck macs

Nawdawg, you mean fuck apple.

[hallwagner]

Nawdawg, you mean fuck apple.

no, fuck you

[Tragedy]

I have 2 macs - 24'' iMac and a 15'' Macbook Pro, and I game, design and play on both flawlessly. I have also owned multiple custom made computers, an alienware laptop, and 4 dell's...and the Mac's take the cake any day of the year. Not to mention, the new MAC's are being ran with the same hardware as some of the top PC's now...

lol @ whoever said that PC's were more user friendly than a MAC.


I bet you $100 that all of the people that have talked down on MAC in this thread have yet to own one, and that is all I have to say.

[Christmas]

I don't see how a mac uses Autocad better, considering I have the program on this laptop and it works perfectly fine.

Autocad sucks compared to Revit anyway.

[uuntiltheendd]

I have 2 macs - 24'' iMac and a 15'' Macbook Pro, and I game, design and play on both flawlessly. I have also owned multiple custom made computers, an alienware laptop, and 4 dell's...and the Mac's take the cake any day of the year. Not to mention, the new MAC's are being ran with the same hardware as some of the top PC's now...

lol @ whoever said that PC's were more user friendly than a MAC.


I bet you $100 that all of the people that have talked down on MAC in this thread have yet to own one, and that is all I have to say.

well what he wants to be able to do is play css, do school work, and use the internet. i was thinking that a mac may be alright for him since he has the money to get one and he isnt really looking to do upgrades and all that stuff. i agree with your last statement too.

[Tragedy]

well what he wants to be able to do is play css, do school work, and use the internet. i was thinking that a mac may be alright for him since he has the money to get one and he isnt really looking to do upgrades and all that stuff. i agree with your last statement too.


Yeah...and they make a Microsoft Office 2008 made specifically for a Mac so school work is no problem. Not to mention, it's rare that a Mac is going to freeze up during school work and make you lose all your progress. I play CSS, WoW and Starcraft II on my Macs at full graphics and I don't have any glitches or lag during gameplay. Plus, as long as he gets the i5, i7 or whatever the 3rd option is, he will be on top of things for a long time (4gb ram, 1tb HDD, 512mb graphics, 3.0ghz+ processors...etc). Both of my macs are 3 years old and I still run everything, including new games...flawlessly. Oh, and some of the new Macs include an option to add the umm...express port or whatever to add higher graphics cards on top of the 512 they already have. :icon_mrgreen: Heck, he doesn't even have to upgrade for multiple years if he gets the top of the line when he first buys. Even new games that are out require very little out of a Mac to run well, and I doubt that anything will be released in the near future (5 years) that is going to be fucking INSANE and not be able to run on a top of the line Mac of today.

Oh and you don't have to stay on top of spyware, malware, virus protection and a lack of updates when there are glitches in a PC. I have yet to do anything to my Macs in 3 years and my computer turns on in less than 20 seconds and all programs including internet all run amazingly fast.

Also...if he gets a Mac, make sure he orders on the www.apple.com website and go to the STORE > REFURBISHED section. Both of mine are refurbished and were about $400 off the retail price. :-)

[hallwagner]

Yeah...and they make a Microsoft Office 2008 made specifically for a Mac so school work is no problem. Not to mention, it's rare that a Mac is going to freeze up during school work and make you lose all your progress. I play CSS, WoW and Starcraft II on my Macs at full graphics and I don't have any glitches or lag during gameplay. Plus, as long as he gets the i5, i7 or whatever the 3rd option is, he will be on top of things for a long time (4gb ram, 1tb HDD, 512mb graphics, 3.0ghz+ processors...etc). Both of my macs are 3 years old and I still run everything, including new games...flawlessly. Oh, and some of the new Macs include an option to add the umm...express port or whatever to add higher graphics cards on top of the 512 they already have. :icon_mrgreen: Heck, he doesn't even have to upgrade for multiple years if he gets the top of the line when he first buys. Even new games that are out require very little out of a Mac to run well, and I doubt that anything will be released in the near future (5 years) that is going to be fucking INSANE and not be able to run on a top of the line Mac of today.

Oh and you don't have to stay on top of spyware, malware, virus protection and a lack of updates when there are glitches in a PC. I have yet to do anything to my Macs in 3 years and my computer turns on in less than 20 seconds and all programs including internet all run amazingly fast.

Also...if he gets a Mac, make sure he orders on the www.apple.com website and go to the STORE > REFURBISHED section. Both of mine are refurbished and were about $400 off the retail price. :-)

a pc shouldnt freeze during schoolwork, and if it does, maybe you should have spent more than 50 $ on it :P

[Jimbear]

Oh and you don't have to stay on top of spyware, malware, virus protection and a lack of updates when there are glitches in a PC. I have yet to do anything to my Macs in 3 years and my computer turns on in less than 20 seconds and all programs including internet all run amazingly fast.

While this actually may be true, you can't really call that a good reason to buy a mac. That's not even good advice. Just because people don't write viruses and other nasty things for a niche market doesnt mean that you should be lulled into a false sense of security, thats just asinine.

[Tickle Me Emo]

Macs are really getting a lot closer to PCs in capability... they're definitely still more expensive for what you get hardware-wise, but in my experience they run beautifully (my current laptop is a 15" Macbook Pro). I have WoW and Starcraft 2 on it, and they run fine. I haven't tried the new Steam for Mac - but more and more games are becoming available. That said, it is worth considering if he plans on doing a lot of gaming, some games just won't have the compatibility.

In terms of user experience, as familiar as I am with Windows, I would say that OS X is better. Windows 7 is Microsoft playing catch up to OS X, and while it is better than older Windows versions, I don't think it's up to the same standard just yet. Also, Apple customer support has been really great when I and friends of mine have had to use it.

Apple really does make good stuff, but their weakness is price and compatibility. If you can't get past those, go with a PC. My desktop is a PC for those exact reasons. I have the laptop because I got it lightly used off a guy at my old workplace for about 40% less than new retail. So, for the hardware, I paid about as much as I would have for a PC. Since I use the laptop for less broad activities (minor gaming and web surfing on the go, mostly, since I'm not in school anymore), compatibility is not an issue. :)

[RickJames]

I couldn't agree more with Tragedy and Tickle Me Emo. I previously have owned 2 Dells and an hp, now a current owner of a 17' macbook pro and a standard mac desktop. If your friend really only wants to do school work and play css, then I'd suggest Mac. I personally only use this computer for internet, music, and css, and I haven't had one issue with running source on here. I've found it much more reliable than any of my previous computers, and I've found that source runs much more smoothly on here. Seriously, this laptop has been a God-send, I was just about to throw my dell out the window after its 1 millionth bluescreen. I'll agree that if you want much more versatility, go with a pc, but if ya want something simple and reliable, go mac.

[XxMastagunzxX]

If you don't know how to maintain a pc then you are retarded...

[Tragedy]

I was a computer technician at my previous job and was in charge of the business server and over 23 different PC's...and I know how to maintain a PC.

If I am spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a computer, I don't want to maintain it...it better maintain itself.


oh and I don't feel like scrolling up, but whoever picked out ONE of my factual statements comparing a PC and a Mac and said it was stupid to post it...that's kinda dumb of you to say. It is definitely one of the good things about Macs...apple stays on top of their updates and security and makes it where the user doesn't have to worry about a thing. Wouldn't you want this if you just spent $1600 on a computer? No wait...you would rather have a virus that doesn't let you have internet access, change your proxies and force you to manually remove a virus right? No.

Not to mention...that is only ONE of the many reasons I listed as to why someone should by a Mac over a PC.



Hallwagner...don't make me start up steam and come own your ass in game :lmao:

[hallwagner]

I was a computer technician at my previous job and was in charge of the business server and over 23 different PC's...and I know how to maintain a PC.

If I am spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a computer, I don't want to maintain it...it better maintain itself.


oh and I don't feel like scrolling up, but whoever picked out ONE of my factual statements comparing a PC and a Mac and said it was stupid to post it...that's kinda dumb of you to say. It is definitely one of the good things about Macs...apple stays on top of their updates and security and makes it where the user doesn't have to worry about a thing. Wouldn't you want this if you just spent $1600 on a computer? No wait...you would rather have a virus that doesn't let you have internet access, change your proxies and force you to manually remove a virus right? No.

Not to mention...that is only ONE of the many reasons I listed as to why someone should by a Mac over a PC.



Hallwagner...don't make me start up steam and come own your ass in game :lmao:
ahha please do man i miss u :P

[Jimbear]

so let me get this straight, you're saying it's completely ok to NOT stay on top of your virus definitions and periodically scan for bad shit?


oh and I don't feel like scrolling up, but whoever picked out ONE of my factual statements comparing a PC and a Mac and said it was stupid to post it...that's kinda dumb of you to say. It is definitely one of the good things about Macs...apple stays on top of their updates and security and makes it where the user doesn't have to worry about a thing.

Mac doesn't deliver security, other than by virtue of the fact they don't attract enough attention.

Anyone that scoffs at security and leaves their thousand-dollar machine to someone else to protect is, in fact, kind of dumb.


I have yet to do anything to my Macs in 3 years and my computer turns on in less than 20 seconds and all programs including internet all run amazingly fast.

i call bullshit on less-than-20 second boot, My i7 920 doesn't boot Ubuntu that fast, and I have an SSD. And "amazingly fast" is about as relative a term as you can come across

[RickJames]

Mine boots in somewhere under 25 seconds, I can believe his in under 20 secs.

[Jimbear]

I have a friend at work with a MBP from last year with the core2duo, and his boots in about 40, so since his Mac is much newer than tragedy's (im assuming from previous posts) 3 year old mac, im still calling bullshit

[yours' truely]

UTE,
you should just let him buy it and learn his lesson.

If it turns out he likes paying more for less.... then it's his choice.
If he does like it, then you should prolly look for a new friend since he's just going to talk about his mac from that point on... and may eat your brains.

[XxMastagunzxX]

so let me get this straight, you're saying it's completely ok to NOT stay on top of your virus definitions and periodically scan for bad shit?



Mac doesn't deliver security, other than by virtue of the fact they don't attract enough attention.

Anyone that scoffs at security and leaves their thousand-dollar machine to someone else to protect is, in fact, kind of dumb.



i call bullshit on less-than-20 second boot, My i7 920 doesn't boot Ubuntu that fast, and I have an SSD. And "amazingly fast" is about as relative a term as you can come across


:wtg:

[Tragedy]

so let me get this straight, you're saying it's completely ok to NOT stay on top of your virus definitions and periodically scan for bad shit?

Mac doesn't deliver security, other than by virtue of the fact they don't attract enough attention.

Anyone that scoffs at security and leaves their thousand-dollar machine to someone else to protect is, in fact, kind of dumb.



i call bullshit on less-than-20 second boot, My i7 920 doesn't boot Ubuntu that fast, and I have an SSD. And "amazingly fast" is about as relative a term as you can come across

I am saying it is completely fine to NOT stay on top of virus definitions and scans...on a Mac. There are numerous updates each month where apple updates all security on their Mac's. The way apples work is that you LITERALLY have to download AND INSTALL a virus for it to get a virus. You can't just click on a link and BAM BAM BAM pop ups and viruses all over the place like a PC. So as long as you have somewhat of a brain, your Mac won't be getting a virus anytime soon.

LOL @ Macs not attracting enough attention, hence why they don't have virus's. Do you know how many people keep TRYING to create virus's for Macs and keep failing at it? It's easy to give a PC a virus and easy to hack into them...it's a hackers dream to create a virus for a Mac. Too bad apple is smarter than that.

And no, I'm not "kinda dumb" because I let apple protect me instead of...hmm Norton or McAffee? Apple has remained reliable and on top of their security for many, many years without much error...I'd trust that over the fail-cloud that circles 99% of Virus Protection Programs. Half of the time these programs can't even fix the problem and a majority of PC users end up reformatting their HDD. Yeah...have fun doing that.

Just shut-down and re-booted my computer due to a Safari update. 22 seconds timed on my iphone 4 :-) kthxstfu


You can keep replying if you'd like, but until you have owned multiple PCs and Macs...your opinion doesn't even matter because you lack the experience that I do on the matter.


PS - I enjoy when I am playing on the servers with people that know I have a Mac and they ask what my frame rates are and what my graphics are set to. Weird how my numbers are always better than theirs, huh? They always get pissed. :banghead:

[XxMastagunzxX]

In case you didn't know...you macfags ruined css for us...

:samurai: Who's with me? :smirk:

[Jimbear]

I have, in fact owned multiple macs. I was brought up with a Performa 550 in the house, with the venerable 68030 processor. I even had a II-GS at one time, if you are even old enough to know what that is. I see reasoning with you isn't going to do anything but incite your unreasonable, rabid defense of Apple...so here's a link of a unibody MBP taking nearly 45 seconds to boot, along with a PowerPC macbook, and a Dell MINI9 Hackintosh:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HkZc-UYVxg)


I personally don't have a preference as to what whoever buys what, but I feel obliged to intercede when someone who obviously has no clue or insight into the enthusiast world when they say "You don't have to manage your own security, Apple will take care of you". As a sysad, my business is security. And security applies to everything, UNIX, GNU/Linux in all its flavors, Windows, even your OSX/Darwin/UNIXclone. I would suggest to anyone researching computers (or any technology really) to be careful who you take advice from, especially when they tell you "You're completely safe, some third party that already got your money has your back"

[Tragedy]

No, no and no.

[uuntiltheendd]

so he should get a mac. ?

[XxMastagunzxX]

NO!!!!

[uuntiltheendd]

lol. ill just let him choose whichever he wants.

[Tragedy]

so he should get a mac. ?

i lol'ed.

[XxMastagunzxX]

macs are for fags

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[maynard]

If you don't know how to maintain a pc then you are retarded...

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[uuntiltheendd]

macs are for fags

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ok now hes getting a pc.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

ok now hes getting a pc.

well that was easy

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

well that was easy

:) :) :)

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