"Pseudo Idol" STEAM_0:0:695560

[t0nyyyy]

Was notified by a player to check if "pseudo idol" had no recoil.
Decided to spec and record demo's, and it looked like he was walling.

[hallwagner]

yes, thanks for banning this dude. hes def bs

[Dana]

I'm sorry, but seriously? Those are your demos? The first is like a 15 second clip of him running up to a wall and looking around and then getting shot. No kills. The second is like a 30 second clip where he kills a couple people, one being me. Wireframes on and he obviously wasn't walling. Checked the bullet holes and he obviously wasn't no-recoil.

If you're going to ban someone for hacking, at least have decent demos backing up your accusations.

[Pseudo Idol]

So one demo has me getting killed, I don't know how this amounts to walling.

The second has me seeing a teammate getting shot and I shoot the next thing that comes around the corner where my teammate was standing when he was killed. I then accidentally killed a teammate (Dana) running behind the guy I just killed. The end of the demo, I see a guy crouching just around the edge of the fence and kill him.

Thanks for the backup from those of you I play with on a regular basis on the IBIS servers.


~Greg

[Bridgeburner]

so...how do i open this?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

He is legit, needs to be unbanned.

he deff was not wall hacking it is obvious

as for recoil he does have recoil

no recoil would imply all his rounds hit one spot
part of the round tracer on the server is for that
you become alot more accurate when you tap your fire key rather then hold it down and spray, go figure.

i understand your a brand new admin but fast rash decision making is not usually the answer when you have any doubts or speculations about that fairness of another players game play.

edit: Considering you are a new admin, You usually only play in ZM before you got admin, and i can only assume you bought admin because you were previously banned before purchasing it. I highly recommend that next time. you make the demo, let another more experienced admin watch it, then ban them using Console, if he has left in that time.

[Pseudo Idol]

so...how do i open this?

You can put them in your CS folder
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\username\counter-strike source\cstrike

and in the CS Developer Console type: playdemo demoname

[t0nyyyy]

I'm sorry, but seriously? Those are your demos? The first is like a 15 second clip of him running up to a wall and looking around and then getting shot. No kills. The second is like a 30 second clip where he kills a couple people, one being me. Wireframes on and he obviously wasn't walling. Checked the bullet holes and he obviously wasn't no-recoil.

If you're going to ban someone for hacking, at least have decent demos backing up your accusations.


He is legit, needs to be unbanned.

he deff was not wall hacking it is obvious

as for recoil he does have recoil

no recoil would imply all his rounds hit one spot
part of the round tracer on the server is for that
you become alot more accurate when you tap your fire key rather then hold it down and spray, go figure.

i understand your a brand new admin but fast rash decision making is not usually the answer when you have any doubts or speculations about that fairness of another players game play.

I understand you guys backing him up due to him being a regular on the ibis servers but, from my perspective it looked like he was tracing through the walls. I do agree with him having recoil while was shooting but, when I was specing him he would sometimes have no recoil even when spraying, maybe i'm bad at spotting hackers or he's toggling, you be the judge. I'm sorry for taking actions first before asking around if he's a regular or not...i'll keep that in mind next time before I even decide to ban anyone.

[Dana]

It doesn't matter if he's a regular or not. The fact of the matter is you got little evidence to back up a major accusation, and the evidence you got clearly showed him as not hacking.

[t0nyyyy]

edit: Considering you are a new admin, You usually only play in ZM before you got admin, and i can only assume you bought admin because you were previously banned before purchasing it. I highly recommend that next time. you make the demo, let another more experienced admin watch it, then ban them using Console, if he has left in that time.

I've never been banned on the ibis servers prior to purchasing my admin, and i'll let a more experienced admin watch my demos next time before banning a player. Thanks for your advice. :)

[t0nyyyy]

It doesn't matter if he's a regular or not. The fact of the matter is you got little evidence to back up a major accusation, and the evidence you got clearly showed him as not hacking.

..Says the person that said he has a 100% chance of not getting unbanned due to my demos.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

It is alright, for future refrence tony.
when watching a demo type this is console

sv_cheats 1
Mat_wireframe 1

what it will do is allow you to wee what they would see if they were wall hacking. You will be able to see the other players threw objects and walls all around the map, use this so avoid any confusion when you think someone may be wall hacking.



As for watchibng the demos bridge even easier is to put the demo in the folder pesdo said then to go into the console and type Demoui and a menu will pop up press load and load your demo

[t0nyyyy]

It is alright, for future refrence tony.
when watching a demo type this is console

sv_cheats 1
Mat_wireframe 1

what it will do is allow you to wee what they would see if they were wall hacking. You will be able to see the other players threw objects and walls all around the map, use this so avoid any confusion when you think someone may be wall hacking.



As for watchibng the demos bridge even easier is to put the demo in the folder pesdo said then to go into the console and type Demoui and a menu will pop up press load and load your demo

thanks

[loka]

Also tony, if you have doubts whether someone is hacking, and want input, put it in the ban request. This gives all of us a chance to review and tell you yay or nay. This one would be a nay.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

everyone makes mistakes tony, you just need to admit it and learn from them.

[t0nyyyy]

everyone makes mistakes tony, you just need to admit it and learn from them.

??.....

[t0nyyyy]

Also tony, if you have doubts whether someone is hacking, and want input, put it in the ban request. This gives all of us a chance to review and tell you yay or nay. This one would be a nay.

Alright :wtg:

[maynard]

I've never been banned on the ibis servers prior to purchasing my admin, and i'll let a more experienced admin watch my demos next time before banning a player. Thanks for your advice. :)

we all make mistakes now and then bro, just make sure you're like 100% sure the person is in fact hacking, cause it causes a shit ton of grief for people when they're falsely bannd.

if you ever aren't sure if someone is hacking or not, then just post the demo's and ask for other admins input before you take administrative action on the person in question.

[Perry]

wow a noob admin who actually knows he did wrong and tries to fix it?

so far you good in my book tony

[maynard]

wow a noob admin who actually knows he did wrong and tries to fix it?


what a refreshing change lol:wtg::icon_mrgreen:

[t0nyyyy]

we all make mistakes now and then bro, just make sure you're like 100% sure the person is in fact hacking, cause it causes a shit ton of grief for people when they're falsely bannd.

if you ever aren't sure if someone is hacking or not, then just post the demo's and ask for other admins input before you take administrative action on the person in question.


wow a noob admin who actually knows he did wrong and tries to fix it?

so far you good in my book tony


what a refreshing change lol:wtg::icon_mrgreen:

:icon_mrgreen:

[Spasm]

we all make mistakes now and then bro, just make sure you're like 100% sure the person is in fact hacking, cause it causes a shit ton of grief for people when they're falsely bannd.

if you ever aren't sure if someone is hacking or not, then just post the demo's and ask for other admins input before you take administrative action on the person in question.

what i don't like is how long it takes someone to be unbanned usually. Look at bxcd or w/e that guys name is, its taken like a month for him to be unbanned after a false permaban. No offense to P. Idol, but he isn't even that good. I honestly think if your not that good at cs or your new to cs, you should always post a demo in ban requests, maybe ban the person for like a day or 2 to get them off the server ( you can always permaban through rcon if you were right later). Because if your wrong it takes forever before they can play CS on IBIS again.

That being said, even if the whole server thinks they are hacking, there is still a chance of no hacks, because believe me, I have been accused of hacking by the whole server when I have played a different ID.

[hallwagner]

what i don't like is how long it takes someone to be unbanned usually. Look at bxcd or w/e that guys name is, its taken like a month for him to be unbanned after a false permaban. No offense to P. Idol, but he isn't even that good. I honestly think if your not that good at cs or your new to cs, you should always post a demo in ban requests, maybe ban the person for like a day or 2 to get them off the server ( you can always permaban through rcon if you were right later). Because if your wrong it takes forever before they can play CS on IBIS again.

That being said, even if the whole server thinks they are hacking, there is still a chance of no hacks, because believe me, I have been accused of hacking by the whole server when I have played a different ID.

mike hunt

[acolyte_to_jippity]

what i don't like is how long it takes someone to be unbanned usually. Look at bxcd or w/e that guys name is, its taken like a month for him to be unbanned after a false permaban. No offense to P. Idol, but he isn't even that good. I honestly think if your not that good at cs or your new to cs, you should always post a demo in ban requests, maybe ban the person for like a day or 2 to get them off the server ( you can always permaban through rcon if you were right later). Because if your wrong it takes forever before they can play CS on IBIS again.

That being said, even if the whole server thinks they are hacking, there is still a chance of no hacks, because believe me, I have been accused of hacking by the whole server when I have played a different ID.

holy fucking shit.

guys, breaked is waiting for zero to manually unban him, since numerous admins and a clanner or two couldn't get it to work.

[Spasm]

holy fucking shit.

guys, breaked is waiting for zero to manually unban him, since numerous admins and a clanner or two couldn't get it to work.

took like 2 weeks b4 anyone tried.

[maynard]

what i don't like is how long it takes someone to be unbanned usually. Look at bxcd or w/e that guys name is, its taken like a month for him to be unbanned after a false permaban. No offense to P. Idol, but he isn't even that good. I honestly think if your not that good at cs or your new to cs, you should always post a demo in ban requests, maybe ban the person for like a day or 2 to get them off the server ( you can always permaban through rcon if you were right later). Because if your wrong it takes forever before they can play CS on IBIS again.

That being said, even if the whole server thinks they are hacking, there is still a chance of no hacks, because believe me, I have been accused of hacking by the whole server when I have played a different ID.

majority of the time I can over-ride the bans.. but sometimes zero is the only 1 able 2 make the unban possible... ive only seen though like 2-3 people in the past year that I couldn't get unbannd. but yeah, I do admit it's annoying for the person I'm sure.... I guess what I'm trying 2 say is that people should be damn sure when they perma ban someone.... not just have a hunch or feeling the person is hacking. if you perma ban, be damn sure it's warranted so we can avoid clutter on the forums, and problems in general.

[loka]

It makes me happy tony that you freely admitted that this might have been a mistake, and that Pseudo has skills. You didn't say "he is hacking but I don't have proof." That goes a long way and you get big props in my book for understanding that. I have seen some really skilled players (including watching Sin play from his shoulder) and playing CS for 10 years... people are just that good :P

[Pseudo Idol]

No offense to P. Idol, but he isn't even that good.

Ouch dawg

[Spasm]

Ouch dawg

lol, love playing with ya though, your loads of fun.

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

While I support an admin banning someone "short term" if not sure and bringing it to the table here, I also support being a bit more competence with a keener eye. As above, if not sure consult with another admin online to spec and collaborate opinion then take action, asnd as the rules say if there's a dispute between admins NO action is to be taken.

Demo, collborate, reaccess, rethink, short ban if it appears positive, post for opinions, rinse + repeat

GLK :)

DED

PS~~BTW did anyone ever tell u that u look like the Numa Numa guy?

[SCRIBBLE]

While I support an admin banning someone "short term" if not sure and bringing it to the table here, I also support being a bit more competence with a keener eye. As above, if not sure consult with another admin online to spec and collaborate opinion then take action, asnd as the rules say if there's a dispute between admins NO action is to be taken.

Demo, collborate, reaccess, rethink, short ban if it appears positive, post for opinions, rinse + repeat

GLK :)

DED

PS~~BTW did anyone ever tell u that u look like the Numa Numa guy?
:wtg:

lesson learned from my ban of trenchfoot. permaban not always necessary; in fact if it isn't all that obvious and game play isn't being interfered with by hacks... just bring the demo to the forums and post under ban request.

[maynard]

While I support an admin banning someone "short term" if not sure and bringing it to the table here

there's no short term for hackers. if the person is hacking, it's perma ban, it's up 2 the admin 2 realize what hacks are and look like. there's no "oh I think he might be backing, so ill temp ban him while I figure it out" that's ridiculous and will do nothing but cause problems. if you want 2 ban someone for hacking, be damn sure they're a hacker, and make it a perma. if you want second opinions on the hacker in question, then get them. banning someone without knowing for sure that they did something wrong is in it's self, wrong.

when you take action as an admin, you're supposed 2 stand by it, not be un-sure of your actions.

[Pseudo Idol]

PS~~BTW did anyone ever tell u that u look like the Numa Numa guy?



Hmmm....I don't see it.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4985/numanumascreenshot2dc.jpg

[Spasm]

there's no short term for hackers. if the person is hacking, it's perma ban, it's up 2 the admin 2 realize what hacks are and look like. there's no "oh I think he might be backing, so ill temp ban him while I figure it out" that's ridiculous and will do nothing but cause problems. if you want 2 ban someone for hacking, be damn sure they're a hacker, and make it a perma. if you want second opinions on the hacker in question, then get them. banning someone without knowing for sure that they did something wrong is in it's self, wrong.

when you take action as an admin, you're supposed 2 stand by it, not be un-sure of your actions.

The only reason I suggested it was because of the length it (sometimes) takes to get someone un perma banned. I know accylite or w/e says it don't take long, but I know for a fact I have seen people waiting around for at least a week for a perma ban to be gone, especially after a lot of people have said not hacking. I see responses like, well Zero needs to weigh in on this one and w/e or people that should not be able to ban at all saying hacks because he or she started playing CSS like 2 months ago. Then Zero is busy as fuck and it takes a while.

Just for kicks, I am going to bring up Silent Sniper, the dude, imo was clearly hacking, several demos for proof, and nothing ever came of it. Nothing besides no one being sure without ZERO, but we unbanned him that DAY. Seems biased to me.

The clear solution however is for admins to make the right call and ban hackers, but really it takes a lot of counter-strike experience along with real CS skill to be able to really spot a hacker that covers it up well. If you aren't that great at CS, maybe you don't realise what they are doing to be able to tell where people are at, and you immediatly guess wall hacks. I see this all the time, and I have to tell people...no they are not hacking.

[๖ReS]

It doesn't matter if he's a regular or not. The fact of the matter is you got little evidence to back up a major accusation, and the evidence you got clearly showed him as not hacking.

I like her. More people should think like this.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I like her. More people should think like this.

she gives good blow jobs to

[maynard]

The only reason I suggested it was because of the length it (sometimes) takes to get someone un perma banned. I know accylite or w/e says it don't take long, but I know for a fact I have seen people waiting around for at least a week for a perma ban to be gone.

but you're not seeing the problem. the problem isn't that reversing perma bans can take a while in some cases, the problem is that people are being perma bannd who shouldn't lol... over the last while there's been a seriously large amount of wrongful perma bans... lots of people are getting griefed hardcore cause admins are making the wrong calls. admins need 2 get there shit together and stop screwing up. also by saying temp ban people until you're certain is basically saying you're not sure if the person is hacking... and if that be the case you should not be taking action on the person. there are good people at the game, and it's not fair 2 the public 2 just ban someone cause you think they might hack. you need proof (a demo that actually shows something) 2 act on a ban. majority of these screw up bans, it's server regulars getting band and with very poor evidence 2 even back the bans. maybe we should start the ibis school of catching hackers or something.. I dunno... but my point is, admins need 2 believe and fully support there bans, if you ban someone it should be obvious they are hacking... 1 or 2 little weird things someone does, does not make them a hacker. we have a ban section 2 inform the community of a hackers being found, and as documentation in case the person ever tried 2 appeal it or anything, also we can send them 2 vac bans and have there steam band, we don't post bans in the ban section for approval of other admins... so once again my point being, if you're not sure the person in question is hacking, then Don't ban them.

[XX0wnsXY]

The only reason I suggested it was because of the length it (sometimes) takes to get someone un perma banned. I know accylite or w/e says it don't take long, but I know for a fact I have seen people waiting around for at least a week for a perma ban to be gone, especially after a lot of people have said not hacking. I see responses like, well Zero needs to weigh in on this one and w/e or people that should not be able to ban at all saying hacks because he or she started playing CSS like 2 months ago. Then Zero is busy as fuck and it takes a while.

Just for kicks, I am going to bring up Silent Sniper, the dude, imo was clearly hacking, several demos for proof, and nothing ever came of it. Nothing besides no one being sure without ZERO, but we unbanned him that DAY. Seems biased to me.

The clear solution however is for admins to make the right call and ban hackers, but really it takes a lot of counter-strike experience along with real CS skill to be able to really spot a hacker that covers it up well. If you aren't that great at CS, maybe you don't realise what they are doing to be able to tell where people are at, and you immediatly guess wall hacks. I see this all the time, and I have to tell people...no they are not hacking.

silentsniper was VAC banned fyi.

[maynard]

silentsniper was VAC banned fyi.

<3 owns

[XX0wnsXY]

<3 owns

I didnt know it until the master pwnerer (his friend) messaged me on steam raging at me, saying it was all my fault. i said "Hahaha, yeah. it kinda was" amongst other things lol.

Although, the VAC ban must have been a separate instance, because he isn't showing as banned on steambans.com, which is where ZERO submitted the demo. My guess is he hacked on another server.

[maynard]

I didnt know it until the master pwnerer (his friend) messaged me on steam raging at me, saying it was all my fault. i said "Hahaha, yeah. it kinda was" amongst other things lol.

and you will always have a special place in my heart for it Lol.

but that's also the perfect example of having full confidence in your ban, and sticking with it.. even with the doubt, and the problems that demo caused, you were in fact correct, and his ass is steam bannd. you deserve a hero cookie:wtg:

[Christmas]

silentsniper was VAC banned fyi.

Good thing the clan paid attention to your demo from the beginning.

Oh wait! They DIDN'T. Idiots.

[XX0wnsXY]

and you will always have a special place in my heart for it Lol.

but that's also the perfect example of having full confidence in your ban, and sticking with it.. even with the doubt, and the problems that demo caused, you were in fact correct, and his ass is steam bannd. you deserve a hero cookie:wtg:

Thanks maynard!

ot: wooo confidence

[XX0wnsXY]

Good thing the clan paid attention to your demo from the beginning.

Oh wait! They DIDN'T. Idiots.

:/

10char

[loka]

:/

10char

are you srsly working? sexy can i?

[XX0wnsXY]

are you srsly working? sexy can i?

Yes maam

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I didnt know it until the master pwnerer (his friend) messaged me on steam raging at me, saying it was all my fault. i said "Hahaha, yeah. it kinda was" amongst other things lol.

well good call then

[taz1stP]

that's one of the guys who isn't hacking hes one of the most legit people. bad ban.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

PS~~BTW did anyone ever tell u that u look like the Numa Numa guy?
i'd say more like a heavier mastagunz. exact same expression after all


maybe we should start the ibis school of catching hackers or something.. I dunno... but my point is,

i've said that for a while. make a private, invite only server (NOT VAC PROTECTED!!!!!) and record a few demos of matches with different hacks in use. a speedhack one, a aimbot (both severe and hidden, constant and toggleing), a no-recoil one...

sticky them for people to d/l and watch.

also show a few of people that have real skill, so the difference between hacks and skill is more obvious

[mag36]

but you're not seeing the problem. the problem isn't that reversing perma bans can take a while in some cases, the problem is that people are being perma bannd who shouldn't lol... over the last while there's been a seriously large amount of wrongful perma bans... lots of people are getting griefed hardcore cause admins are making the wrong calls. admins need 2 get there shit together and stop screwing up. also by saying temp ban people until you're certain is basically saying you're not sure if the person is hacking... and if that be the case you should not be taking action on the person. there are good people at the game, and it's not fair 2 the public 2 just ban someone cause you think they might hack. you need proof (a demo that actually shows something) 2 act on a ban. majority of these screw up bans, it's server regulars getting band and with very poor evidence 2 even back the bans. maybe we should start the ibis school of catching hackers or something.. I dunno... but my point is, admins need 2 believe and fully support there bans, if you ban someone it should be obvious they are hacking... 1 or 2 little weird things someone does, does not make them a hacker. we have a ban section 2 inform the community of a hackers being found, and as documentation in case the person ever tried 2 appeal it or anything, also we can send them 2 vac bans and have there steam band, we don't post bans in the ban section for approval of other admins... so once again my point being, if you're not sure the person in question is hacking, then Don't ban them.

Agreed, I dont claim to be a good hack spotter but im for damn sure not going to ban someone unless im sure they are hacking. I get claims and reports of wall hacks all the time from people and its usually BS. And if you going to permaban someone you better stick by it. You put a bad rep on the community every time your wrong.


silentsniper was VAC banned fyi.
Again Great call by 0wns she stuck with her choice know matter what. Once someone hacks it becomes a habit and they will be caught again, just a matter of time. S

[Spasm]

silentsniper was VAC banned fyi.

I love you owns, and thanks for the update, the guy deserved it.

[Spasm]

Good thing the clan paid attention to your demo from the beginning.

Oh wait! They DIDN'T. Idiots.

I personally think he did it just to see if he could get away with it. He did really, he was unbanned from ibis that day after blatantly hacking. If it hadn't been for someone else getting him VAC banned, he would still be an admin here. I told owns that day that if she wasn't going to ban him I was. He did it for the lolz, prolly something like "I am going to hack on ibis and get away with it, LOL".

[Christmas]

:/

10char

That was a shot at them, not you.

[XX0wnsXY]

That was a shot at them, not you.

I know.

[Christmas]

I know.

Well....your mom.

[Perry]

that's one of the guys who isn't hacking hes one of the most legit people. bad ban.

really any need for this post? He apologized and asked for help on how to track hackers better.

:plzdie: you make me want to kill puppies

[maynard]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244

[Spasm]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244

great read maynard.

[Rapedollar$]

NOMNOMNOM stop being stupid ppl...