Poor Wall hacking by STEAM_0:1:15435802 ]CI[ Hydra *BUD*

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

0: hostname: GunGame MOD+ 100tick| IBIS | FAST DL | PsychoStats
1: tcp/ip: 208.43.70.233:27015
2: licenseid: 12354
3: os: W
4: logged in: yes
5: time: Fri Aug 20 10:14:59 2010
6: anti-cheats: VAC2
7: map: gg_simpsons_train 14 active (21 max)
8: crc: 19cb2bbf
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Observing player ]CI[ Hydra *BUD* [STEAM_0:1:15435802]

[Tickle Me Emo]

I see no evidence of wall hacking in this demo.

The only remotely suspicious thing is the kill after 13000 ticks where, if viewed with wireframe, it almost looks like he looks at someone through the wall, looks away as if to pretend he doesn't see him through the wall, and then jerks back. That conclusion is only supportable in wireframe; when watched with wireframe off, you can clearly see the guy's foot poke out in the corner of his scope as he's moving it back to the right side entryway. That'd certainly be enough for me to jerk my scope back over. The fact that his sights were aimed at the guy through the wall is most likely coincidental - out of wireframe it looks quite like anyone would trying to cover two entryways while scoped in.

The rest of the kills look entirely ordinary, after viewing with wireframe on and off.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

1. he cant aim

2. he prefires an auto sniper and genuinly know where everyone was and was ready for a kill but his reflexs suck

3. i played a whole map before that "train" with him before making the demo

4. "coincidentally" follows a player threw the wall? are you serious? im going to coincidentally get all head shots one map and not die once alright =D

[Jeimuzu]

Anyone else have an opinion?

[Tickle Me Emo]

1. he cant aim

2. he prefires an auto sniper and genuinly know where everyone was and was ready for a kill but his reflexs suck

3. i played a whole map before that "train" with him before making the demo

4. "coincidentally" follows a player threw the wall? are you serious? im going to coincidentally get all head shots one map and not die once alright =D

1. Yes I noticed, he died a lot. Half the demo was him being dead.

2. Where did he prefire an auto-sniper? Give me a tick-spot on the demo, I'll have a look at it again. I see no evidence that he "genuinely knows" where everyone is (which I already stated, as that is the definition, basically, of a wallhacker)

3. OK?

4. He didn't follow the player, his crosshairs briefly rested on the player who was behind the wall - something that easily can occur coincidentally, particularly with those circumstances.

I've been playing CS for a very, very long time, and have dabbled in competitive leagues (not for long periods of time, but still). This is not my first ball game when it comes to admin, either. I've done extensive research into the different types of hacks and how to detect them, as well as messed about with some myself (as I've noted before). I do think I have a good idea what I'm talking about, but as I said in point 2, give me tick-marks where you see something suspicious and I'll review it again. I'm not above admitting I'm wrong if I miss something.

I am probably going to review the demo again anyways to look for signs of aim assistance, which I wasn't looking for at first, but have heard whispers of elsewhere. I must admit I'm skeptical, as like you said, he can't aim.

EDIT: I would like it if another admin or two would review the demo for additional opinions.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

I see no evidence of wall hacking in this demo.

The only remotely suspicious thing is the kill after 13000 ticks where, if viewed with wireframe, it almost looks like he looks at someone through the wall, looks away as if to pretend he doesn't see him through the wall, and then jerks back. That conclusion is only supportable in wireframe; when watched with wireframe off, you can clearly see the guy's foot poke out in the corner of his scope as he's moving it back to the right side entryway. That'd certainly be enough for me to jerk my scope back over. The fact that his sights were aimed at the guy through the wall is most likely coincidental - out of wireframe it looks quite like anyone would trying to cover two entryways while scoped in.

The rest of the kills look entirely ordinary, after viewing with wireframe on and off.

The thing at 13000 ticks, as you say, looks precisely like what you'd expect to see from someone covering two doorways. It definitely did not look like any kind of wallhacking.

I agree completely; everything looks ordinary in that demo.

[maynard]

Anyone else have an opinion?

ya.. this is a fail ban. there's not a single shred of evidence in the demo provided.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

9500 and 18000

[maynard]

9500 and 18000

lmfao.. that doesn't warrant a ban, just admit you beyond failed in banning this guy.

there's nothing in the demo you provided thats fishy, and or worth banning someone over.

there's a reason you're the only person who thinks this is a legit ban...

[Tickle Me Emo]

9500:
This is really quite straightforward. He sees the guy, the guy disappears, he aims where the guy was, the guy reappears, and then he shoots at him. He doesn't even get the kill. You did watch this with wireframe off right? It can look confusing with wireframe on.

18000:
You must have gotten the wrong tick, this isn't speccing him, and nothing is happening.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

lmfao.. that doesn't warrant a ban, just admit you beyond failed in banning this guy.

there's nothing in the demo you provided thats fishy, and or worth banning someone over.

there's a reason you're the only person who thinks this is a legit ban...

this all coming from some one who dosnt play the game?
its amazing how much respect you show towards any one and your self.
ill buy you the rope <3

im not saying i have a sufficient demo at all.

i may have been hasty with a ban, he was wall hacking the map before so i made a demo for complex i have another demo which i will review.

meanwhile go find a cure for your social disorder.

[hallwagner]

this all coming from some one who dosnt play the game?
its amazing how much respect you show towards any one and your self.
ill buy you the rope <3

im not saying i have a sufficient demo at all.

i may have been hasty with a ban, he was wall hacking the map before so i made a demo for complex i have another demo which i will review.

meanwhile go find a cure for your social disorder.

thats exactly why backdraft didnt get banned (hackdraft), im 99.9 % sure he was no recoiling on deagle, then lo and behold (after announcing it to him) he toggled it off on complex. you know what, he should have been banned, but oh well, hes legit now, so idrc. at least i can kill him now. moral of the story (something i have realized recently) get a demo of the actual hacking, not the aftermath or after they toggle off

[acolyte_to_jippity]

this all coming from some one who dosnt play the game?


im not saying i have a sufficient demo at all.

i may have been hasty with a ban, he was wall hacking the map before so i made a demo for complex i have another demo which i will review.
.

for the record, maynard has a better eye for hacks than you do. obviously
...then why didn't you post THAT demo to begin with you fucking retard? seriously. that's like someone getting arrested for shoplifting (a prior day, not actually witnessed), and then as evidence a tape of that person washing their car is displayed. BUT, when the judge asks why they were arrested since the tape doesn't show shit, you say "don't worry! i got this! i've got a tape back home of them actually doing it"

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

for the record, maynard has a better eye for hacks than you do. obviously
...then why didn't you post THAT demo to begin with you fucking retard? seriously. that's like someone getting arrested for shoplifting (a prior day, not actually witnessed), and then as evidence a tape of that person washing their car is displayed. BUT, when the judge asks why they were arrested since the tape doesn't show shit, you say "don't worry! i got this! i've got a tape back home of them actually doing it"

i didnt post the other one because it was only 1:30 the other one was longer.

ill un ban him. i dont have enough evidence after reviewing the rest of the demos

[maynard]

i may have been hasty with a ban, he was wall hacking the map before so i made a demo for complex i have another demo which i will review.

you should have just made the mature choice and said.. "hey... I made a mistake.." but you want 2 go ahead and take it 2 a personal lvl. yes, ive not been playing CSS much since my server went down, but I have been playing on and off since the beta went up and I'm active and current on the forums, and still paying into IBIS while my home isn't even up, I have 800 something hours logged on WCS, and do nothing but devote time and energy 2 that server. my apologies if over the past 2 months I haven't been able 2 play on it.. last I checked that wasn't my fault. I'm the WCS guy, and every 1 knows it. if you want 2 try and insult me, think a little harder and come up with something a little better... or you could not act like a child and throw personal insults at me, over something YOU did wrong.

accept the fact people are good at this game, and not every good person hacks. christ, he wasn't even very good lol.. I was picking up on things the supposed "wall hacker" wasn't lol....

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

you should have just made the mature choice and said.. "hey... I made a mistake.." but you want 2 go ahead and take it 2 a personal lvl. yes, ive not been playing CSS much since my server went down, but I have been playing on and off since the beta went up and I'm active and current on the forums, and still paying into IBIS while my home isn't even up, I have 800 something hours logged on WCS, and do nothing but devote time and energy 2 that server. my apologies if over the past 2 months I haven't been able 2 play on it.. last I checked that wasn't my fault. I'm the WCS guy, and every 1 knows it. if you want 2 try and insult me, think a little harder and come up with something a little better... or you could not act like a child and throw personal insults at me, over something YOU did wrong.

accept the fact people are good at this game, and not every good person hacks. christ, he wasn't even very good lol.. I was picking up on things the supposed "wall hacker" wasn't lol....



i didnt post the other one because it was only 1:30 the other one was longer.

ill un ban him. i dont have enough evidence after reviewing the rest of the demos

that is all

[Jeimuzu]

Mike it's better to be safe than sorry, you did nothing wrong. But I'm gonna have to say he shouldn't be banned.

It's sad.. I've known players who are better than people WITH wallhacks.. It just makes it that much harder to actually find them. It isn't an easy thing to spot, and if they aren't stupid they won't be looking at the person directly through the wall, or firing at a wall to kill them..

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mike it's better to be safe than sorry, you did nothing wrong. But I'm gonna have to say he shouldn't be banned.

It's sad.. I've known players who are better than people WITH wallhacks.. It just makes it that much harder to actually find them. It isn't an easy thing to spot, and if they aren't stupid they won't be looking at the person directly through the wall, or firing at a wall to kill them..

i agree, iv been at drill all weekend but when i get on ill make sure he gets unbanned