Reasons not to use a shotgun during a zombie invasion

[ManBearPig <ibis>]

The worst kind of zombies are fast zombies...
D:
Running people are hard to shoot...
D:
Unless you had... THIS. (http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/photopost/data/2/926MinigunTwo.JPG)

Full of win ?

Lol. I wonder if it actually works.

[Christmas]

Lol. I wonder if it actually works.

Unless you are a 300 pound bodybuilder, I have doubts you'd be able to use it even if it did.

[๖ReS]

I never said it was practical dick face.
<3

[Jeimuzu]

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

the end is near :(

See, I was right! AND YOU MOCKED ME! Well no you didn't, but still, that's what I was talking about.


you obviously think about zombies way to much walter.

Inthebutt, any true survivor would have thought about things like this once in their life at least. How to survive, where to survive, what to do when things go wrong, etc. The first step of surviving is being prepared.


you make me think of this song :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ25-glGRzI

I want..to MURDER.. her.. She stands for everything that I hate.

As for the minigun, every member in my family owns a truck, and I do know how to mount things.. I just need a minigun now.

[inthebutt]

Inthebutt, any true survivor would have thought about things like this once in their life at least. How to survive, where to survive, what to do when things go wrong, etc. The first step of surviving is being prepared.

Your behind than, cause in my safe is a little lock box that already has all my plans for in the event of a real zombie epidemic.

contant's include:

so far I just have in it some cash, list of supplies needed to survive and directions to the nearest underground bunker.

you know what I just realized, we all need to have a house like will smith in his movie, I AM LEGEND.

he survives a zombie attack and those zombies are like the speed zombies in ZM, plus they can think.

scratch that I'm gonna start on plans for one like that.

[Christmas]

Your behind than, cause in my safe is a little lock box that already has all my plans for in the event of a real zombie epidemic.

contant's include:

so far I just have in it some cash, list of supplies needed to survive and directions to the nearest underground bunker.

you know what I just realized, we all need to have a house like will smith in his movie, I AM LEGEND.

he survives a zombie attack and those zombies are like the speed zombies in ZM, plus they can think.

scratch that I'm gonna start on plans for one like that.

Overanalysis alert:

1. Spoon was never attacked at his house
2. He has a SMG that doesn't run out of ammunition
3. He has a bionic robot arm.
4. He has a friendly robot to help him

I don't know how you can prepare for an Irobot-like attack.

[&&toasties]

overanalysis alert:

1. Spoon was never attacked at his house
2. He has a smg that doesn't run out of ammunition
3. He has a bionic robot arm.
4. He has a friendly robot to help him

i don't know how you can prepare for an irobot-like attack.

d:

D:

D:

[Jeimuzu]

Depending on the zombie invasion, I have plenty of swords I'll be taking with me, or at least my katana and my dagger. I know exactly where a pistol is that my mom kept, and I know where the guns are at my grandparents and uncle's house. Everything might be scattered, but let's face it, it would be on the news unless it started here in Florida, so we'd have time to prepare. And dude, in a zombie invasion, money would be useless. I'd be burning it for fire to keep warm up in the mountains.

[ManBearPig <ibis>]

It seems like if a zombie outbreak happened anywhere... it would be in Florida.

[inthebutt]

Overanalysis alert:

1. Spoon was never attacked at his house
2. He has a SMG that doesn't run out of ammunition
3. He has a bionic robot arm.
4. He has a friendly robot to help him

I don't know how you can prepare for an Irobot-like attack.

christmas are you fucking retarded or something??

christmas you know your talking about a completly different movie than I am right??

and how can cash be worthless in a zombie invasion, you could use it to pay someone to get in their house, you could use it to by gas, just cause a zombe attack is going on doesn't mean its free gas buddy. you could use money to buy supplies off of someone. money will always be used no matter how terrible it gets james.

[ManBearPig <ibis>]

I think hes making the point that when everyone is being attacked and survival is most important, someone is not going to sell you their lifeline. Because if there is a zombie attack it will be a total economic and national crash, money would just be paper.

[&&toasties]

I think hes making the point that when everyone is being attacked and survival is most important, someone is not going to sell you their lifeline. Because if there is a zombie attack it will be a total economic and national crash, money would just be paper.

Just like money was in Germany after World War I.

They used it as wallpaper, it was so useless.

[inthebutt]

the only way to know for sure, 100% positive, is we are just gonna have to wait and see what happens when the zombie attacks do happen.

worse comes to worse I'll have a shit load of paper to burn.

[Christmas]

christmas are you fucking retarded or something??

christmas you know your talking about a completly different movie than I am right??

I immediately thought of I-robot.

Drink a beer and calm down already. People make mistakes.

Btw: Those were vampires.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

you know the cost for 30 years+ of food is not that exspensive.

If a zombie outbreak would happen i would make a triple layer cage. with iron bars 2 inches thick. an iron bar every 3 inches apart. It would be 50by50 in area. Would be 10 feet in height. I would then put up wooden boards to cover this area and i would build a dry wall around the wooden doors. The door situation is only 1 way in and 1 way out. The only way in is with a key, which i open from the outside and can lock from the inside. The door the would be sealed shut from welding and left over dry wall :). The only way out would be to my roof, which is only made up of wood on drywall on wood. And you can only get on the roof from the inside and you cannot get in from the roof entrance.

In the 50by50 area 60-70% be food.
10-20% for living space. thats like 15by15 loool.
10-20% ammunition
10% other
yes this makes more then 100% i know, blow it out your ass.

Food:
Spam, ftw?
Soups
Beans
Vegetable ( can )

Weapons:
Smith and wesson
Ak74 semi-auto
20n12 gauge shotgun
.22
glock

Location:
Somewere when its not to cold in winter, not to warm in the summer.

Price: 15G-25G

In total. Not that bad. Thats like a year to half a year for some people. That is a quarters earning for others....

[Christmas]

Where did you get your 15g number?

Using $5 a day for food for 30 years comes out to about 54750.

Unless there is some really cheap food that could last a human 1 meal a day.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

Where did you get your 15g number?

Using $5 a day for food for 30 years comes out to about 54750.

Unless there is some really cheap food that could last a human 1 meal a day.

Cans at sams club come in 100 packs for liek 10 bucks.

[Jeimuzu]

It seems like if a zombie outbreak happened anywhere... it would be in Florida.

We have boats here. I could.. commandeer one.. Wouldn't be all that hard. And I could easily get a large sail boat and live out at sea for awhile. Maybe get to an island. I do have plenty of experience with boats thanks to one of my mom's old boyfriend. And I'm not a bad fisherman either. Was my pass-time for the summers ever since 03.


Location:
Somewere when its not to cold in winter, not to warm in the summer.

ITS A FRIGGEN WAR MAN, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY FIND THE RIGHT HOUSE IN THE PERFECT CITY, SHOOT THE ZOMBIES IN THE HEAD!!

Also, I'll be going to the mountains as I stated earlier, if I can. Well, that's plan B, if the boat thing doesn't work out anyways. Plan C is to raid a jail, and use that for a base of operations. Yes, I know. A jail seems completely impractical. But think about it.. It's a high security place that you can lock down, filled with ammo and supplies.. and cages to keep zombies in if you manage to capture one. Use it for experiments and such.

Though, the problem with all of those zombie scenarios, except for the one that has a mastermind who created the zombies, is that the zombies would probably either kill each other or just starve to death. And I don't think nanobots would go rouge like the terminator.. Unless a mastermind was behind it.

I'm a zombie killer.. Wonder if I could be a zombie ruler.. *evil laugh..*

[๖ReS]

Bitch Zombies coming up the hill right now !
Shoot em in the head !
Here, Take this shotgun, You dont gotta load it ! We did that shit for you !
What you pressing select for !? You dont got time to make a profile !
Bitch Zombies in the room !
Shoot em in the head !
They killed yo Parents !
Shoot em in the head !
Shoot em in the head !

(or something along those lines...)
I love that sound clip <3
lolol.

[Jeimuzu]

Who was it that played that clip anyways?

[Paper]

Lukey played the MC Peepants clip, among others.

Anyway, why have so many people said a shotgun is hard to reload? If anything, it's the easiest kind of gun to reload. Slip a shell right in the bottom. I know, you're thinking about clips and such. But consider how long it takes to load a clip, now consider how many you can carry, then consider how many each holds. No one here is a perfect shot, very few people here have access to military weapons with clips of over 10 rounds, very few people here have access to weapons and a large quantity of corresponding clips. Say you get your hands on a nice tactical vest. 3 slots on the vest for full size assault rifle clips, 2 more in pockets (this is presuming you've got a pack on for your supplies and your cargo pockets have other supplies in them). Now, who here owns an ak-47(or any variant), m-16(or any variant), or any other assault rifle for that matter? This leaves us with approximately 50 rounds in clips, which, being generous, will let you get through 20 zombies. Then your stuck with anything you had time to reload and your swords (for all you katana fanatics). While I would far from abandon weapons utilizing detachable clips, I would be very carefully when considering reloading.

Personally, based on what I have immediate access to, I'd go with something along the lines of this loadout: R700 (scoped, of course), colt 1911 (competition model), Remington 870 (modified choke, varying rounds). The R700 could be exchanged for either a mini-14 or a remington .22.

Also, don't forget that you'll most likey loose clips as you reload if you get into a sticky on-the-go combat situation. So then you'll not only be running through your ammo, but you'll be depleting your overall capacity of readily accessible ammunition.

[inthebutt]

Lukey played the MC Peepants clip, among others.

Anyway, why have so many people said a shotgun is hard to reload? If anything, it's the easiest kind of gun to reload. Slip a shell right in the bottom. I know, you're thinking about clips and such. But consider how long it takes to load a clip, now consider how many you can carry, then consider how many each holds. No one here is a perfect shot, very few people here have access to military weapons with clips of over 10 rounds, very few people here have access to weapons and a large quantity of corresponding clips. Say you get your hands on a nice tactical vest. 3 slots on the vest for full size assault rifle clips, 2 more in pockets (this is presuming you've got a pack on for your supplies and your cargo pockets have other supplies in them). Now, who here owns an ak-47(or any variant), m-16(or any variant), or any other assault rifle for that matter? This leaves us with approximately 50 rounds in clips, which, being generous, will let you get through 20 zombies. Then your stuck with anything you had time to reload and your swords (for all you katana fanatics). While I would far from abandon weapons utilizing detachable clips, I would be very carefully when considering reloading.

Personally, based on what I have immediate access to, I'd go with something along the lines of this loadout: R700 (scoped, of course), colt 1911 (competition model), Remington 870 (modified choke, varying rounds). The R700 could be exchanged for either a mini-14 or a remington .22.

Also, don't forget that you'll most likey loose clips as you reload if you get into a sticky on-the-go combat situation. So then you'll not only be running through your ammo, but you'll be depleting your overall capacity of readily accessible ammunition.

standard combat loads that marines carry, only last them about 20 minutes in a heavy firefight. that's why there is always a humvee near by stock full of resupplies.

if anything home-made explosives are a great way to clear a huge group at once and than picking remaining zombies off with 2-3 bullets.

[Christmas]

Lukey played the MC Peepants clip, among others.

Anyway, why have so many people said a shotgun is hard to reload? If anything, it's the easiest kind of gun to reload. Slip a shell right in the bottom. I know, you're thinking about clips and such. But consider how long it takes to load a clip...

The entire point of a magazine is to have it loaded BEFORE an intense firefight.

You won't be spraying to kill the zombies if you know what is good for you, so that is 10-30 shots in a single magazine, which when aimed right count as at least 15 kills.

A shotgun does not even carry ten (if I'm not mistaken), and the shells are not interchangeable between other types of firearms.

An MP5 with 9X19 parabellum would work with both an mp5 and glock 17 (as would a .40 and 10mm) and those are the two types of firearms I would carry. The ammunition and firearms are both very light, and would be much easier to carry around during action than a shotgun and a box of shells.

[Jeimuzu]

The entire point of a magazine is to have it loaded BEFORE an intense firefight.

You won't be spraying to kill the zombies if you know what is good for you, so that is 10-30 shots in a single magazine, which when aimed right count as at least 15 kills.

A shotgun does not even carry ten (if I'm not mistaken), and the shells are not interchangeable between other types of firearms.

An MP5 with 9X19 parabellum would work with both an mp5 and glock 17 (as would a .40 and 10mm) and those are the two types of firearms I would carry. The ammunition and firearms are both very light, and would be much easier to carry around during action than a shotgun and a box of shells.

Agreed.

[inthebutt]

Agreed.

I like the idea of turning a prison into a fort in a zombie apocalypse.

zombies can't bend steel and you could easy trap a whole group of them in a section and than

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/issy3bella/Blog%20stuff/burning.jpg

that part of the jail.

[Jeimuzu]

First thing I would do if I kept one, is see how long it takes for it to starve to death, if it does. Or if it may be effected by light, or a cross. Or what it takes to kill it, or if it sleeps. Etc.

Instead of setting my entire base on fire!

I would easily be able to set up dozens of fallback points in a jail given enough time though, in case something did go wrong.

[inthebutt]

First thing I would do if I kept one, is see how long it takes for it to starve to death, if it does. Or if it may be effected by light, or a cross. Or what it takes to kill it, or if it sleeps. Etc.

Instead of setting my entire base on fire!

I would easily be able to set up dozens of fallback points in a jail given enough time though, in case something did go wrong.

Fire is the solution to everything.

[Christmas]

Fire is the solution to everything.

What about collateral damage?

[sizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wg1pFNwTOE


I think i'd carry this one around.

[Christmas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wg1pFNwTOE


I think i'd carry this one around.

Umm, win?

[Rob]

Sit in a vent with some of your buddies and woop out your machine guns.
However i would be as usual, Sitting there, Gun on the back, with drawn dualies.

[Jeimuzu]

Didn't I mention an automatic shotgun with interchangeable rounds of explosiveness?

[&&toasties]

Sit in a vent with some of your buddies and woop out your machine guns.
However i would be as usual, Sitting there, Gun on the back, with drawn dualies.

Only thing I agree on is the dualies.

xDD

[Kavinsky]

well they do use bean bag amunition for shotguns and the japanese did use explosive rounds in there rifles during ww2 so I would imagine you could rig up exploding sabos for the automatic Franchi spaz 12, 15 or a benelli shotguns.

Besides the Spas 15 is boxfed and semi auto so there goes all the problems with using a shotgun for a zombie invasion to begin with, and for the others just use a speed strip.
http://www.botachtactical.com/ccws.html

[&&toasties]

Didn't I mention an automatic shotgun with interchangeable rounds of explosiveness?

Only 5 times.

<33

[Paper]

The entire point of a magazine is to have it loaded BEFORE an intense firefight.

You won't be spraying to kill the zombies if you know what is good for you, so that is 10-30 shots in a single magazine, which when aimed right count as at least 15 kills.

A shotgun does not even carry ten (if I'm not mistaken), and the shells are not interchangeable between other types of firearms.

An MP5 with 9X19 parabellum would work with both an mp5 and glock 17 (as would a .40 and 10mm) and those are the two types of firearms I would carry. The ammunition and firearms are both very light, and would be much easier to carry around during action than a shotgun and a box of shells.

You're not getting my point. I was talking about what you actually have access to. Full auto permits are expensive, so I'm doubting most of the people on here have assault rifles and submachine guns.

And it's always much harder to aim when you're in a tight situation than when you're at a range. I bet most of the people here could hit a target 100% of the time with a full clip in a common rifle like a .22, provided they know how to use ironsights. I know I can, and I barely ever get to the range. But when you're in a panicked situation, you're not going to hit nearly as much. And if you read my original post, you'll see that I talk about the number of clips you have. You may have them loaded BEFORE you get into a fight, but in real life, you're clips don't automatically shove your reservoir ammo into themselves. And how many clips do you have for whatever guns you can access? I don't have more than 2 clips for any of the firearms I could access, and I know most of us certainly don't have supply humvees nearby to save our asses.

As for ammo interchangeability, if you happen to be using a .410 shotgun you could use both the .410 shells and .45acp rounds in a taurus judge if you happened to have one.

[Christmas]

You're not getting my point. I was talking about what you actually have access to. Full auto permits are expensive, so I'm doubting most of the people on here have assault rifles and submachine guns.

All I've seen for full auto permits is an extra 100-200 dollars. Regardless of a slightly steeper price tag, a permit is still accessible.


And it's always much harder to aim when you're in a tight situation than when you're at a range. I bet most of the people here could hit a target 100% of the time with a full clip in a common rifle like a .22, provided they know how to use ironsights. I know I can, and I barely ever get to the range. But when you're in a panicked situation, you're not going to hit nearly as much. And if you read my original post, you'll see that I talk about the number of clips you have. You may have them loaded BEFORE you get into a fight, but in real life, you're clips don't automatically shove your reservoir ammo into themselves. And how many clips do you have for whatever guns you can access? I don't have more than 2 clips for any of the firearms I could access, and I know most of us certainly don't have supply humvees nearby to save our asses/

8 rounds
20-60 rounds (assuming one extra clip)

Shotguns are still beat in quantity before having to access non-loaded ammunition. What are you trying to get at here? This is also zombie preparation, and if I was to prepare for a zombie outbreak, I would have more than two magazines for my firearms.

Zombies don't move terribly fast, so even in a "panic mode" where you have no fear of being shot at, your target isn't that difficult to hit. More difficult than at a range, but not as much as in a firefight.


As for ammo interchangeability, if you happen to be using a .410 shotgun you could use both the .410 shells and .45acp rounds in a taurus judge if you happened to have one.

How common are those two weapons?

[Jeimuzu]

Not very common Christmas. I think..

I watched quarantine a few nights ago, and I have to say.. It was the start of the perfect zombie invasion. Too bad the people in the situation were idiots, except for the drunk guy, who the officer was stupid enough to make stay with the crowd.

I have to say though, being in a dark place like that though, you should definitely get night vision goggles or something.

Probably going to get a lot of bad responses from this, but you can't blame me, I just finished watching Equilibrium.. I would probably like dual glocks, maybe with extended clips, instead of that semi-automatic shotgun. Can hold a lot of clips for them, light weight, and the zombies should die from head shots..

[&&toasties]

Not very common Christmas. I think..

I watched quarantine a few nights ago, and I have to say.. It was the start of the perfect zombie invasion. Too bad the people in the situation were idiots, except for the drunk guy, who the officer was stupid enough to make stay with the crowd.

I have to say though, being in a dark place like that though, you should definitely get night vision goggles or something.

I should watch this movie.

I've honestly never seen it.

Is it worth watching?

[Paper]

This seems to be a reliable source for information about an automatics permit (best answer poster)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080102143807AAH6ghX.

Needless to say, it's a pain, especially in NJ, where they like to restrict everything.

What I'm saying is because of the difficulty of accessing military grade firearms, shotguns should not be thrown out as completely inferior.

.410 bore shotguns are fairly common. I've mostly seen "home-defense" type models, lower recoil/ higher spread for less experienced shooters, but still plenty of stopping power.

The Taurus Judge is fairly new, and very popular. In fact, the original release of the gun saw shortages because it was so popular. Taurus increased their production to compensate.

[Christmas]

It may be a hassle, and may be unlikely, but we are also talking about the hypothetical scenario of a zombie outbreak, which is also virtually impossible.

[Paper]

Depending upon where you live, it's actually almost impossible. So hypothetically, if you were to stock up for a zombie apocalypse, there's really no way to prepare with the equipment you really want. Which is where my idea of taking the best aspects of a commonly accessible gun comes in and going against the original idea of the article that was posted.

This might be the longest thread on the server.

[weeman2412]

Wow... serious still thinking about guns??? You guys need to think more logically.. How about this a bottle of men spray or aerosol.. + those things that light up cigarettes ( IDK BUT MY MIND WENT BLANK ) ... instant flamethrower... a modified 5 nailguns in one.. yes I have seen these before.. and they are very easy to assemble.. a bottle of alchol + a napkin lit on fire... instant nades anyone :)?

bow/arrow <<<<< you can get these at your local sports store :D

[Christmas]

Depending upon where you live, it's actually almost impossible. So hypothetically, if you were to stock up for a zombie apocalypse, there's really no way to prepare with the equipment you really want. Which is where my idea of taking the best aspects of a commonly accessible gun comes in and going against the original idea of the article that was posted.

This might be the longest thread on the server.

Two words: Precinct raid.

[๖ReS]

Weeman that's a Molotov Cocktail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpg2lm1TZ9Y&feature=related
Go to 0:12, Most badass thing evar.
Gimme one of them, a Tac vest, and A few mags ill be fine XD

[Paper]

Two words: Precinct raid.

lol, I doubt the local cops near me have anything fancier than I can already get. I wonder what the best weapon/supply looting locations would be in the event of an apocalypse? Would say military bases, but there would probably be far too much commotion, probably get shot by someone or another. Police departments, as you suggested, could have some nice equipment, although they would have many of the same problems as military bases. Wal-Mart? (depending upon your state)

[Jeimuzu]

Your local pawn shop. Often filled with weapons.

[Christmas]

lol, I doubt the local cops near me have anything fancier than I can already get. I wonder what the best weapon/supply looting locations would be in the event of an apocalypse? Would say military bases, but there would probably be far too much commotion, probably get shot by someone or another. Police departments, as you suggested, could have some nice equipment, although they would have many of the same problems as military bases. Wal-Mart? (depending upon your state)

Local precincts are not very well defended.

Especially the one where my father works.

[Paper]

But where do you think people would rush during an apocalypse of any sort? Large/important buildings where they think they can get help. Never said the cops were the ones who were going to be giving you trouble (I think this idea was taken from zombie survival guide, not positive though).

I think Wal-Mart because, at least to the ones I've been to in PA, they've got a nice stock of guns, ammo, and most other supplies you can think of (although it's not very likely that you'll get top quality stuff lol).

Plus, if we're talking looting, you can eliminate some of the problems I mentioned about clips earlier. If you're getting them for free you can just grab as many as you can carry.

[inthebutt]

But where do you think people would rush during an apocalypse of any sort? Large/important buildings where they think they can get help. Never said the cops were the ones who were going to be giving you trouble (I think this idea was taken from zombie survival guide, not positive though).

I think Wal-Mart because, at least to the ones I've been to in PA, they've got a nice stock of guns, ammo, and most other supplies you can think of (although it's not very likely that you'll get top quality stuff lol).

Plus, if we're talking looting, you can eliminate some of the problems I mentioned about clips earlier. If you're getting them for free you can just grab as many as you can carry.

actually the first place I would try to make my way too, is the Gun Emporium. It actually has a working mini gun in it. That store is loaded with different types of weapons and believe it or not, tactical shit. everything from kneepads to kevlar helmets. plus the humvee they use to advertise the store is such a great vehicle to modify and take to your local walmart.

[Christmas]

actually the first place I would try to make my way too, is the Gun Emporium. It actually has a working mini gun in it. That store is loaded with different types of weapons and believe it or not, tactical shit. everything from kneepads to kevlar helmets. plus the humvee they use to advertise the store is such a great vehicle to modify and take to your local walmart.

Who needs a humvee if the enemy doesn't shoot back?

Shit, I'd just get a minivan, cut a big hole in the roof and attach a 50 cal to it and I'm set.

[inthebutt]

Who needs a humvee if the enemy doesn't shoot back?

Shit, I'd just get a minivan, cut a big hole in the roof and attach a 50 cal to it and I'm set.

why wouldn't you?? on a humvee you wouldn't have to cut out a hole to mount a .50 cal on it, since it has one already.

why go out of your way to modify a vehicle when it already has everything needed on it.

[Christmas]

why wouldn't you?? on a humvee you wouldn't have to cut out a hole to mount a .50 cal on it, since it has one already.

why go out of your way to modify a vehicle when it already has everything needed on it.

Gas. I'll take the extra work over the possibility of running out of fuel twice as quickly.

[Jeimuzu]

why go out of your way to modify a vehicle when it already has everything needed on it.

You might need to, so it helps to at least have ideas when you're in odd situations.

But yeah, I'd get either a van or a bus if I could.. Maybe even a boat.

[Paper]

Well, the Humvee, provided you can find a gas station, has a much larger tank, so I presume the overall mileage (assuming you have a source to fill your whole tank) matches out pretty well. Plus, minivans aren't exactly all terrain vehicles, nor are the very sporty: the one I have to drive on occasion can't take most turns at much more than 20mph without risk of putting it up on two wheels. If you have a supplies nearby (or at your destination), or if you know you can loot en route to wherever you're going, a utility ATV might work.

inthebutt, stop reminding me that I live in a state with far too many gun laws for a store like the gun emporium to support itself. The closest thing to useful combat gear I could loot would be clothing/tactical gear from a surplus store nearby. Have a gun store nearby, although they don't really stock anything I can't already get except a large supply of ammo. Loads of car dealerships, none of which would be of any use though, unless of course you're apocalyptic automobile of choice is a Mercedes... or a Lexus... or a Toyota... or a Subaru...

[&&toasties]

Gas. I'll take the extra work over the possibility of running out of fuel twice as quickly.

I second this.

Humvees are gas guzzlers.

Like NYS is a jizz guzzler.

D:

[inthebutt]

I second this.

Humvees are gas guzzlers.

Like NYS is a jizz guzzler.

D:

it may be a gas guzzler but its basically indestructible. have you ever seen a minivan plow through a group of cars and come out the other side and still able to work??? have you ever seen a minivan crash through multiple walls of a building only to drive away??

you never know when your gonna need to get off of the surface streets and go a little urban off-roading through building and other vehicles. plus your typical humvee out weighs your minivan so its harder to flip at higher speeds.

[๖ReS]

Go with a Jeep !

Take the soft top off and rig up a mount, add .50 Cal Done :D

[&&toasties]

it may be a gas guzzler but its basically indestructible. have you ever seen a minivan plow through a group of cars and come out the other side and still able to work??? have you ever seen a minivan crash through multiple walls of a building only to drive away??

you never know when your gonna need to get off of the surface streets and go a little urban off-roading through building and other vehicles. plus your typical humvee out weighs your minivan so its harder to flip at higher speeds.

I understand.

But why not get a heavy duty truck, with good mileage?

[Christmas]

it may be a gas guzzler but its basically indestructible. have you ever seen a minivan plow through a group of cars and come out the other side and still able to work??? have you ever seen a minivan crash through multiple walls of a building only to drive away??

Does it need to?

These are zombies, not soldiers.


you never know when your gonna need to get off of the surface streets and go a little urban off-roading through building and other vehicles. plus your typical humvee out weighs your minivan so its harder to flip at higher speeds.

Off roading=bad idea.

Also, how fast do you honestly need to go in a zombie invasion. Last time I checked zombies don't move very fast.

[&&toasties]

Does it need to?

These are zombies, not soldiers.



Off roading=bad idea.

Also, how fast do you honestly need to go in a zombie invasion. Last time I checked zombies don't move very fast.

You've obviously never seen 28 days later.

those fuckers moved fast!

[inthebutt]

Does it need to?

These are zombies, not soldiers.



Off roading=bad idea.

Also, how fast do you honestly need to go in a zombie invasion. Last time I checked zombies don't move very fast.

it doesn't matter if its zombies or soldiers. just the ability to do it is all that matters. haven't you ever heard the saying "no matter how good you plan something out, it always gets fucked up" yes your right I may not need to go crashing through walls and cars but if I needed to its good to be sitting in a vehicle that is already capable of doing it.

plus you don't know how zombies are gonna be. we won't know until it happens, it could be slow and clumsy or fast and smart. but like I said its better to be sitting in something that is fast, protective and heavy.

oh and one more plus of the humvee of the van, it already has slots in it to stick the barral of a gun out and shot at shit. while in a van you gotta either roll down the windows completely or keep the door open. to much open space on a van.

[Christmas]

it doesn't matter if its zombies or soldiers. just the ability to do it is all that matters. haven't you ever heard the saying "no matter how good you plan something out, it always gets fucked up" yes your right I may not need to go crashing through walls and cars but if I needed to its good to be sitting in a vehicle that is already capable of doing it.

plus you don't know how zombies are gonna be. we won't know until it happens, it could be slow and clumsy or fast and smart. but like I said its better to be sitting in something that is fast, protective and heavy.

oh and one more plus of the humvee of the van, it already has slots in it to stick the barral of a gun out and shot at shit. while in a van you gotta either roll down the windows completely or keep the door open. to much open space on a van.

Why not just get an APC then?

Or maybe a Bradley Fighting Vehicle?

Also with slots in the humvee, you could make those too. This isn't complicated technology we are talking about here.

[inthebutt]

Why not just get an APC then?

Or maybe a Bradley Fighting Vehicle?

Also with slots in the humvee, you could make those too. This isn't complicated technology we are talking about here.

I have a better chance of acquiring a humvee than an APC or a BRADLEY.

doesn't matter if you can make them or not, why spend the time making them when there already on a humvee??

dude your zombie plan is gonna fail within the first 15 minutes of a zombie apocalypse. I'm gonna drive by in my humvee and see you standing on the side of the road and guess what??? I'm gonna drive by flipping you off!!!! :icon_mrgreen:

[Christmas]

Inthebutt, how long do you honestly think it takes to cut holes?

[๖ReS]

Inthebutt, how long do you honestly think it takes to cut holes?

BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DECADES.

For reals.

[yours' truely]

when you say decades, do you mean years? around, maybe 10 years? combined several times over teh course of a few hours with a cumulative function followed by dividing a decimal value, circumcized by a non-ordained rabbi in an ICP costume with missing teeth and the ability to divide by zero.

if so, then that's a real long time.

[inthebutt]

Inthebutt, how long do you honestly think it takes to cut holes?

if you have the right equipment, I say about 10 minutes. but are you gonna have the right equipment to cut through a van's side to make holes?? and are you gonna have the time to??

like I said, drive by in a humvee flicking christmas off as he stands on the side of the road next to a broken down van hahahahahaah :icon_mrgreen:

oh and I missed you today. :headache:

[Christmas]

if you have the right equipment, I say about 10 minutes. but are you gonna have the right equipment to cut through a van's side to make holes?? and are you gonna have the time to??

like I said, drive by in a humvee flicking christmas off as he stands on the side of the road next to a broken down van hahahahahaah :icon_mrgreen:

oh and I missed you today. :headache:

When preparing for a zombie apocalypse, I'll have the right equipment. I actually Considering I do not have access to a Humvee, I'd have to improvise.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/product/medium/06/060110180.jpg

Horray for powertools.

[Breezy]

Because it has been pointed out that shotguns are difficult to reload, take up a lot of space, and aren't the most effective weapon in defeating a zombie?

Hmmm?

I go skeet shooting, at least once a month, shotguns are easy to reload if you know how to. Also, when you're reloading any other weapon and a zombie is in you're face, it's practically impossible to line up, wwith a shut gun, you shove the barrel in his mouth use you're body weight to load one more shell, cock, and pull the trigger.

[Christmas]

I go skeet shooting, at least once a month, shotguns are easy to reload if you know how to. Also, when you're reloading any other weapon and a zombie is in you're face, it's practically impossible to line up, wwith a shut gun, you shove the barrel in his mouth use you're body weight to load one more shell, cock, and pull the trigger.

I meant difficulty as in comparison to a magazine. And it is much easier to load a single magazine than 8 rounds. This is forgetting about how you can be mobile and hold a sufficient amount of shotgun ammunition.

And the act of shoving the barrel in the face of a zombie is easy in a controlled environment, but we are talking about panic situation. Especially when there is the possibility of more than one zombie bearing down on you.

[Angry Kitty]

The AK would be better as it does more damage(yes it does do more damage in rl)

But I would think that a grenade launcher would work really well, now you may need to reload ever 6 shots but you should be able to take out about 150 per clip. Also I am sure that they make a magazine version somewhere. Also why not have a mech unit for anti zombie or some battle droids. If your going to fight your way out and your home is prepared you should have a mech that the zombies can not penetrate. That has rail guns and missals. Also battle droids would not be targeted by zombies as they are not alive jsut give them some blades and ave them dice ther heads off.

Also the best wepon really is: a carbinfiber samuri sword!
Why: unlimited amo, light weight, stronger than steel, you can jsut attack them faster than they can get you and in addation you can run away faster.

If you have really advanced tech a light sabor would also work well.

Dont forget about flame throwers

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I go skeet shooting, at least once a month, shotguns are easy to reload if you know how to. Also, when you're reloading any other weapon and a zombie is in you're face, it's practically impossible to line up, wwith a shut gun, you shove the barrel in his mouth use you're body weight to load one more shell, cock, and pull the trigger.

so what you are saying is that you have first hand experience killing zombies?

The difference between skeet shooting and zombie fleeing is that when you skeet shoot.. nothing is trying to kill you.
it wouldnt be about the power of the weapon, it would be more about its efficiency. That is why having a side arm and a 8lb assault rifle would be ideal. If you can aim like you say you can, under pressure with a chance of losing your life, why the fuck would you want a shotgun? All a shotgun is doing is putting you closer to the target, which in this scenario would be stupid.. why put your self in any more danger then you need to be.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

so what you are saying is that you have first hand experience killing zombies?

The difference between skeet shooting and zombie fleeing is that when you skeet shoot.. nothing is trying to kill you.
it wouldnt be about the power of the weapon, it would be more about its efficiency. That is why having a side arm and a 8lb assault rifle would be ideal. If you can aim like you say you can, under pressure with a chance of losing your life, why the fuck would you want a shotgun? All a shotgun is doing is putting you closer to the target, which in this scenario would be stupid.. why put your self in any more danger then you need to be.

i've always said, the best gun for anti-zombie situations would be an old m1 or a m14 EBR. something semiautomatic to conserver ammo, fireing large, slow bullets. hi velocity rouns may travel farther, but you're not going to be sniping for fucks sake, only clearing your path as you go. the high velocity rounds would impart less impact force/energy to the zombies head, increasing chance for a through-an-through.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i've always said, the best gun for anti-zombie situations would be an old m1 or a m14 EBR. something semiautomatic to conserver ammo, fireing large, slow bullets. hi velocity rouns may travel farther, but you're not going to be sniping for fucks sake, only clearing your path as you go. the high velocity rounds would impart less impact force/energy to the zombies head, increasing chance for a through-an-through.

what your goal there would be, is to have a rifle powerful enough to penetrate the skull but not leave an exit wound. this results in the round ricocheting around the interior.

But tbh... if the zombie apocalypse where to happen tmrw, i would not be prepared, the FIRST thing i would focus on is food, tools, and high shelter with a sufficient amount of natural material. i.e. boondocks/mountians. Im not going to be focused on some silly kill count. With that said i completely understand why that article suggest the shotgun as the least appealing weapon to use during a situation like that. Your goal is to keep your distance and survive, not hunt and put your self at risk.

alot of people have a hard time understanding situational awareness

[acolyte_to_jippity]

what your goal there would be, is to have a rifle powerful enough to penetrate the skull but not leave an exit wound. this results in the round ricocheting around the interior.



tbh, for mid-range engagements, a simple .22 rifle would rock. i had forgotten about non-exiting shots. i was imagining head-removal type shots, but a .22 at 100 yards would penetrate and not exit. they're easy to use, clean, fix, carry. simple mods turn a bolt-action single-shot into a bolt-action mag-fed, and if you can adjust the sights right, they got great accuracy.

[StarsMine]

And you will have ammo a plenty for really cheap

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

And you will have ammo a plenty for really cheap

cheap? what.. would you be buying ammo from the zombie retailers? or looting it from shelves.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

cheap? what.. would you be buying ammo from the zombie retailers? or looting it from shelves.

haven't you ever played killingfloor?

there will be some black brittish bitch who appears in random rooms each time you pause from your zed killing to sell you stuff. sometimes you'll also find a pair of blue torches in the ground and a creepy guy w/ a hooded cloak will sell you stuff too.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

You only need 1 bullet to kill a zombie, a single action rifle for longer ranges and a pistol with a large clip for closer ranges. Your not trying to shoot through body armor, if you are in a situation where you need to mow down a large number of zombies you are probably dead anyways.

Its also better to use guns that have similar ammo types.

And as for a flame thrower? The only thing thats going to happen with using that is now you are going to have a zombie thats on fire chasing you.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

andrew brought up a good point about matching ammo types.

here you go:
main would be a Ruger 10-22 CRR rifle http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/Ruger-10-22-CRR.html

sidearms would be either a taurus MODEL 94 .22 LR REVOLVER, or a walther P22
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=382&category=Revolver
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=13152&storeId=10002&productId=58953&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=43804&isFirearm=Y

cheap, light ammo, low recoil, low report, low velocity ensures complete estruction of enemy zed's brain. easy to stockpile before apocalypse occurs due to the price of ammo and ease of storage.

[Angry Kitty]

All u need is a nuke or chuck norris

[dice]

What kind of zombies are we talking about here? L4D common type shit or Resident Evil run your ass off type?

[Angry Kitty]

What kind of zombies are we talking about here? L4D common type shit or Resident Evil run your ass off type?

Kind that we have in real life

[Curdy]

well heres a question though, how would each of us deal with a resident type zombie like the bad ones.

anyone remember chainsaw bitch from 5?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

well heres a question though, how would each of us deal with a resident type zombie like the bad ones.

anyone remember chainsaw bitch from 5?

hmmm, well, the ones in 4 were bad enough. but they weren't "zombies" per say. Ganados were the technical term

[Curdy]

ye figured but in general though for all of resident evil.

[BallsMcGEE]

.22 the bullets bounce in the skull. Its easy to fire. .22 cal shells are the most common on the market.

2ez next.

[dice]

Okay, yeah .22 is great if all you get is headshots. But if we're talking about the crazy fast ferocious zombie type good luck placing ALL your shots in the head. I've been thinking about it and I'm gonna go with a .30-06 with a fat bolt so you can "tommy finger" it.

Also, .30-06 is pretty common. Not as common as 22LR but you probably won't have any trouble keeping stocked, provided you survive.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Okay, yeah .22 is great if all you get is headshots. But if we're talking about the crazy fast ferocious zombie type good luck placing ALL your shots in the head. I've been thinking about it and I'm gonna go with a .30-06 with a fat bolt so you can "tommy finger" it.

Also, .30-06 is pretty common. Not as common as 22LR but you probably won't have any trouble keeping stocked, provided you survive.


You shouldnt really need THAT much ammunition to begin with. like i had stated before main focus would be tools to help build a sufficent shelter out in the wilderness. Some sort of transportation once you can openly scavange.

Id like a .22 side arm or a 1911 and id take my .30-06 as well. .30-06 is a bit luggy though it terms of being quick on your feet but the 5 round mag is nice.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

You shouldnt really need THAT much ammunition to begin with. like i had stated before main focus would be tools to help build a sufficent shelter out in the wilderness. Some sort of transportation once you can openly scavange.

Id like a .22 side arm or a 1911 and id take my .30-06 as well. .30-06 is a bit luggy though it terms of being quick on your feet but the 5 round mag is nice.

yeah you're not going to be waging a war against the undead. you just want something to keep you alive.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

Exactly, depending where you live, getting passed that first winter is just going to be as hard as fighting off the zombies.

[CYBER]

Exactly, depending where you live, getting passed that first winter is just going to be as hard as fighting off the zombies.

hey if the bums in my city can do it ....so can we!

1- what FOOD would u stock on the most tho? most ppl say bread... but it grows mold... so i'm going for beef jerky, a shitload of them... maybe pasta. dry pasta or rice can last a long ass time and can be cooked with only water (assuming u dnt have the luxury of a fancy t-bone -.-)

what would u guys eat? other than brains (if u are of the unlucky few to get fucked from the beginning:P)

2- would u kill ur own mother/loved one if she got infected?

[Andrew_Pavlik]

1. Anything in a can, if I can get to my 'safe house'(aka my grandparents in the middle of no where PA, and yes I've thought about this) I will also garden and grow some corn. But i'll most likely play it smart and try to get as much 'dry food' as I can.

2. I'd like to say that I can... for the propose of me living and that they won't have to live like that but..... I won't know till I am in that situation. Id probably have a harder time killing someones pet then them.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

hey if the bums in my city can do it ....so can we!

1- what FOOD would u stock on the most tho? most ppl say bread... but it grows mold... so i'm going for beef jerky, a shitload of them... maybe pasta. dry pasta or rice can last a long ass time and can be cooked with only water (assuming u dnt have the luxury of a fancy t-bone -.-)

what would u guys eat? other than brains (if u are of the unlucky few to get fucked from the beginning:P)

2- would u kill ur own mother/loved one if she got infected?

1-Rice, Seeds, Food Supplements, water, and as much canned food as i can carry

2- yes, in a heartbeat....
Reason: If they are in that state i would expect them to put a bullet threw my brain. They are already dead, lifeless, animated corpses. Any life that might still exsist would want to be put out of its misery. If there was for some reason a hope for a cure, id still do it. Why? because if you are willing to keep them caged up like an animal waiting for a cure i highly doubt you will have the resources to get ahold of this cure in the first place, not to mention you would have to see them all the time in this state.

all of this due to my unconditional love for my family.

all in all im sure alot of peoples desicion in that moment would be something along the lines of Sob, shoot, bury with the posible regret and typical remorse for a dead loved one.

[Vasir]

I think im already set for the zombie apocalypse...

When you dont need a shotgun... a simple 9mm should be fine. and when you need to escape, you need a truck that can go through whatever like... a toyota landcruiser.. My arsenal below... I guess all i need is food and some women to repopulate the world.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Who needs a shotgun when you have a compound bow and an axe.

[Jeimuzu]

Have I posted here? I admit, there are some draw backs of a shotgun, but I'm bringing it with me.. And some other things..

[Rapedollar$]

lol james, i think you have the exact same guns i do... well those two at least... dont think the ar is from the same maker tho...

[Jeimuzu]

lol james, i think you have the exact same guns i do... well those two at least... dont think the ar is from the same maker tho...

Shotgun is Maverick, AR is DPMS. What about you?

[Steamer]

3737

Blah Blah

[matrixninja]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.defensetech.org/images/FL_dragonskin_051807.jpg&imgrefurl=http://defensetech.org/2007/08/06/dragon-skin-gets-the-shaft/&usg=__7fL9KwUu-jvYFgEN4hTrS4VtlrY=&h=180&w=200&sz=9&hl=en&start=18&zoom=1&tbnid=Nv1_MVTDexdnGM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=104&ei=2KKpTenYFMXZgQfZvYGCCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddragon%2Bscale%2Barmor%26hl%3Den%26bi w%3D1341%26bih%3D428%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1 -THIS is what you need. No, it woulnd't protect your whole body, but zombies won't be penetrating that, assuming thier not some kinda super powered mutant thing. Though, if you had to, you could probably find something sharp enought to cut pieces of it and put it on your neck or legs etc.

[Jeimuzu]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.defensetech.org/images/FL_dragonskin_051807.jpg&imgrefurl=http://defensetech.org/2007/08/06/dragon-skin-gets-the-shaft/&usg=__7fL9KwUu-jvYFgEN4hTrS4VtlrY=&h=180&w=200&sz=9&hl=en&start=18&zoom=1&tbnid=Nv1_MVTDexdnGM:&tbnh=94&tbnw=104&ei=2KKpTenYFMXZgQfZvYGCCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddragon%2Bscale%2Barmor%26hl%3Den%26bi w%3D1341%26bih%3D428%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1 -THIS is what you need. No, it woulnd't protect your whole body, but zombies won't be penetrating that, assuming thier not some kinda super powered mutant thing. Though, if you had to, you could probably find something sharp enought to cut pieces of it and put it on your neck or legs etc.

Didn't they discontinue those because of a failed environmental test? I think it was sabotauge.

[Smurf]

I think it was sabotauge.

Lol :lmao:

[CHI-TOWN]

Shotguns are 1337 for the ZM

[Hitman]

You sir are a moron for ressurecting a dead thread.

Keep ressurecting threads and it will earn you a one way ticket out of this community!