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acolyte_to_jippity
12-28-2010, 01:16 AM
i'm not sure it's possible for you to bring it back, but your earlier comments made it seem as if you had intentionally not allowed it.

if this is the case, then it's a huge mistake. there is no point to not allowing overleveling. your earlier argument was to prevent people from using only a single class or two and obtaining eva that way. but lets face it, that will take substantially more work than leveling all the races. before, leveling each race to 21 gave eva. to get those levels over only a few classes would have taken so much xp it's not even funny. there is no downside to implementing overleveling. it's not like an overleveled class is any more powerful than a maze out class.

also, as it is now, there will be a point where the rank stops working. once someone maxes out everything (unlikely, perhaps. but just as unlikely as someone taking a single race to lv. 900 for eva) they'll stop gaining any sort of level-base rank.

tl;dr bring overleveling back, it's retarded not to have it

maynard
12-28-2010, 01:20 AM
keep it the way it is. for us regulars who play a shit ton there it's annoying. the classes you like and enjoy end up becoming way 2 high in lvl over time, and everytime we die, we give ppl like 500 xp in 1 go, it's bull shit and makes ppl not want 2 play there face races, which is not fair. it's also not fair that ppl can get 500 xp from ppl like me for being on a lvl 130 something class, yet us ppl who are giving out all this xp for having a high lvl class see no benifit in return... our class isn't any stronger then any 1 elses whose maxed, so why should we give out so much xp?

Leave it the way it is. I don't want 2 be power lvling ppl every time I die again, was lame.

Blackmage
12-28-2010, 02:59 AM
Unlikely that someone will max everything out? I had 3 races left to max before the reset, and I was only about 6th on the top 10 at the end.

Yes, I agree it will take more work to get Eva. As eva was supposed to be a prize for hard work, I find that to be a plus, though.

And Aco, that's why there's ranking by XP. Or we could go another route that's been used and have the top 10 be by who got the full level first. Or take all max'd people and have their own ranking. Or, god forbid, something like CoD Prestige. Needing it for ranking system, I don't think is a necessity.

Maynard: The way I saw it was: that's an incentive to not over use a race. When you play enough to have level 130 on a race, you're probably damn good with it, so why not give some extra points when someone can beat you on it. Also, anything you over level to that extent is probably a good race in the first place(Eva, Shadow hunter, Undead, vags). While this was nice to give new players a bonus, as you said, it gave MANY people a bonus. The main problem was it didn't help level Rapscallion, cause raps was too useless to kill high levels anyway! Or I could have just hated raps, so :)

acolyte_to_jippity
12-28-2010, 01:06 PM
but maynard, what's the point of playing a maxed race now?

BladeTwinSwords
12-28-2010, 01:08 PM
but maynard, what's the point of playing a maxed race now?

To play it because you like it.

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ZERO
12-28-2010, 01:14 PM
The actual reason is there is no way to make it so you do over level. Most of the really high level races have a high max level so that they counter balance how long it takes to level but also the xp given. For example previously if someone played an orc and a vagabon the same amount overlevling the orc to the same level as the vagabon they would not get any xp bonus for killing it. (lets say they are both level 50) However now when you max out your orc you always get an xp bonus for killing a maxed vagabon. This system thus allows for better compensation for races based on the difference in the max level required to level them.

CYBER
12-28-2010, 08:52 PM
but maynard, what's the point of playing a maxed race now?

does it matter if u lv up a race after u maxed out all its skills ?
i dont see the point of it ? or am i missing something ?

for ex, i maxed the skills on flame pred and shadow hunter and some other classes... dont see the point now of LVing up the race or spending xp on it ...
again... am i missing smthn? does it matter if i lv it up after that barrier is reached?

frvwfr2
01-03-2011, 02:14 AM
does it matter if u lv up a race after u maxed out all its skills ?
i dont see the point of it ? or am i missing something ?

for ex, i maxed the skills on flame pred and shadow hunter and some other classes... dont see the point now of LVing up the race or spending xp on it ...
again... am i missing smthn? does it matter if i lv it up after that barrier is reached?

It will unlock higher races, as the levels will count into your total levels.

I think a solution to the "Power-Leveling" thing, would be to have a max XP given, but set by race. So if someone is playing as a L130 Undead, if a level 0 Human kills them, they would only get +40 Levels worth of XP, not 130. Idk how much that is, but say it's 200, well, no matter what the level difference is, the max XP given would be 200. The amount should be more than the "Max" level of the race, as you WOULD be very good at it, but I think it would help. My shadow hunter would currently be at least 25, and will go higher, but I am missing those levels haha. I understand that you don't want people just playing 1 race, but the XP to level up gets very high fairly quickly.

maynard
01-03-2011, 02:39 AM
you guys kidding me? I played on that server for like 11 months before it went down. and I played every day. it takes only a few days 2 max a race. I had every race maxed, and I already have 70% of the current released races maxed. it's a matter of that people will always end up going back 2 the races they really enjoy as the continue playing over time. like bigdumbanimal and undead. there's many ppl who had lvl 100+ undeads cause it's a pimp race.. should they be punished for being loyal 2 our version of WCS? and playing the races they enjoy? Fuck no they shouldn't. we had a mass majority agreement that we would make the new lvling system be based on XP, I wanted it based on lvl, but I caved and agreed with you guys. you all voted you wanted the ranks based on xp, and now they are. I don't want 2 be punished for playing on the server anymore. I will be playing this server until zero stops running IBIS> within a year from now ill have every thing at at least lvl 50 again. you all say "oh but if the class your playing is so high you must be playing it 2 much" Fuck no! that's not it at all, what it is, is the fact I'm a constant loyal member of the server, as time goes on I will always be punished for playing, no matter what race I pick cause I lvl fast.

if the server didn't go down for the 6 months it did, I would prob have every race at minimum lvl 70 ish.....

once again, you all said you wanted the ranks based on xp, and now they are. no 1 should be punished for being a regular of our server. Leave The Lvl Caps As They Are

and with this I end my drunken passionate drunken rant.

frvwfr2
01-03-2011, 02:56 AM
Did you read what I posted? About only giving out a certain amount of xp? I have a feeling you didn't, but if so, then I have no idea what you are being "punished" about.

maynard
01-03-2011, 03:09 AM
I was responding 2 the others... thought that was obvious. either way, if zero can cap the xp given out to what your max race lvl is, then I'm down.

Wolfenstinger
01-03-2011, 04:23 AM
So, will we still beable to gain xp but not go over max lvl? Example, I finally hit lvl 50 on my Vagalion. Instead of 0/5100 for lvl 51, can I just continue gaining xp at lvl 50? So it might end up looking like 9001/5000, meaning its 4001 xp over the regular cap, or just "Level 50 Vagalion : 9001xp" or will I just not beable to gain anymore xp past 50?

maynard
01-03-2011, 04:25 AM
that's how it's set up right now. when you hit max lvl, you don't gain any more lvls, but still gain xp.

now... go do your homework!

Wolfenstinger
01-03-2011, 04:27 AM
oh then leave it as it is, thats perfectly fine by all means.

It sounds better than having to see myself hit a lvl just to gain another 10k xp for the very next lvl.

thats a lvl a day, 2 if people are on and im on a spree. And lots of raging involved.

maynard
01-03-2011, 04:30 AM
oh then leave it as it is, thats perfectly fine by all means.



+1:wtg:

acolyte_to_jippity
01-03-2011, 09:26 AM
you guys kidding me? I played on that server for like 11 months before it went down. and I played every day. it takes only a few days 2 max a race. I had every race maxed, and I already have 70% of the current released races maxed. it's a matter of that people will always end up going back 2 the races they really enjoy as the continue playing over time. like bigdumbanimal and undead. there's many ppl who had lvl 100+ undeads cause it's a pimp race.. should they be punished for being loyal 2 our version of WCS? and playing the races they enjoy? Fuck no they shouldn't. we had a mass majority agreement that we would make the new lvling system be based on XP, I wanted it based on lvl, but I caved and agreed with you guys. you all voted you wanted the ranks based on xp, and now they are. I don't want 2 be punished for playing on the server anymore. I will be playing this server until zero stops running IBIS> within a year from now ill have every thing at at least lvl 50 again. you all say "oh but if the class your playing is so high you must be playing it 2 much" Fuck no! that's not it at all, what it is, is the fact I'm a constant loyal member of the server, as time goes on I will always be punished for playing, no matter what race I pick cause I lvl fast.

if the server didn't go down for the 6 months it did, I would prob have every race at minimum lvl 70 ish.....

once again, you all said you wanted the ranks based on xp, and now they are. no 1 should be punished for being a regular of our server. Leave The Lvl Caps As They Are

and with this I end my drunken passionate drunken rant.

how is letting you continue to get a benefit from playing your favorite races after max punishing you?


oh then leave it as it is, thats perfectly fine by all means.

It sounds better than having to see myself hit a lvl just to gain another 10k xp for the very next lvl.

thats a lvl a day, 2 if people are on and im on a spree. And lots of raging involved.

but it's still a level. right now, you won't be gaining dick from that day of playing.

jonny5v
01-03-2011, 11:18 AM
I've played sG for a long time now and I moved here since I finished 99% of their races. They just recently implemented something called "Expertise" to certain races. What this does is after you finish leveling the races, you get extra bonuses based on the levels after that. So they have a Undead/Succubus type race. It lacks speed but once you get it to level 60, you start gaining speed from it. And after you hit level like 120, you max out at 1.4 speed for it or something like that.

It's an interesting concept. Some thoughts on how it would work:
Undead Scourge can gets 1.4 speed at level 50.
Human Alliance can have 175 HP at level 50.
Orcish Horde does more extra damage at level 50.
Night Elf has a higher thorn damage at level 50.

Just a thought :p

maynard
01-03-2011, 12:25 PM
how is letting you continue to get a benefit from playing your favorite races after max punishing you?


are you stupid or something? do I really gotta say it again?

... fine then... I don't want it set up the way it was before, because before you were punished over time the more you play a race by giving out retarded amounts of xp. you could not casually jump on a race you like and play it when if you die you're giving out 500+ xp... get it?

there's no reason 2 continue lvling a maxd race. there is no benefit lvling a race past it's max lvl...

but once again, if zero can cap it, so you don't give out more xp then your races max lvl, I'm down.

acolyte_to_jippity
01-03-2011, 12:37 PM
I've played sG for a long time now and I moved here since I finished 99% of their races. They just recently implemented something called "Expertise" to certain races. What this does is after you finish leveling the races, you get extra bonuses based on the levels after that. So they have a Undead/Succubus type race. It lacks speed but once you get it to level 60, you start gaining speed from it. And after you hit level like 120, you max out at 1.4 speed for it or something like that.

It's an interesting concept. Some thoughts on how it would work:
Undead Scourge can gets 1.4 speed at level 50.
Human Alliance can have 175 HP at level 50.
Orcish Horde does more extra damage at level 50.
Night Elf has a higher thorn damage at level 50.

Just a thought :p

no. that's one of the things that should not happen. the point of wcs is that it's all balance out in the end. what sG does it stupid. it ends up making everything so horribly off-balance that it's just no fun.

maynard
01-03-2011, 12:52 PM
no. that's one of the things that should not happen. the point of wcs is that it's all balance out in the end. what sG does it stupid. it ends up making everything so horribly off-balance that it's just no fun.

+1...

Christmas
01-03-2011, 02:16 PM
... fine then... I don't want it set up the way it was before, because before you were punished over time the more you play a race by giving out retarded amounts of xp. you could not casually jump on a race you like and play it when if you die you're giving out 500+ xp... get it?

You mad?

maynard
01-03-2011, 02:22 PM
You mad?

hardly.

you still pretending 2 be an active community member?

Christmas
01-03-2011, 03:01 PM
hardly.

you still pretending 2 be an active community member?

What difference does it make it people think I'm active in the community or not?

Calm yourself, bro.

maynard
01-03-2011, 03:09 PM
big whoop, wana fight about it?
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/ktown4life1337/images.jpg

Christmas
01-03-2011, 03:14 PM
big whoop, wana fight about it?
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/ktown4life1337/images.jpg

I lol'd.

Wolfenstinger
01-04-2011, 04:34 AM
but it's still a level. right now, you won't be gaining dick from that day of playing.

In your eyes, i wont be gaining shit towards a total lvl.

In my eyes, im gaining xp to go towards my rank using races I enjoy playing. Now, I might not unlock a lvl 700 race *cough*eva*cough* doing this but why the hell would I care if i'm having fun being awesome on races I know how to play and do well on.

i'd rather see people who want to use all the races, atleast play them all to lvl 10. if they are enjoying a race, by all means max it and have all the fun you want on it when your online. But if your really butt hurt and depressed because everyone's outlvling you while you have a lvl 20 undead and nothing else still, go lvl something else cause maxing it out right away doesn't seem like its working out for you (he knows who he is even though he doesn't read the forums unless i link it to him).

Just hearing how this system goes, it probably is possible for somebody to just sit on a starter race and get #1 on the server if they gained enough xp on it. They just wont have many other races unlocked compared to somebody hitting lvl 10 on all their races.

frvwfr2
01-04-2011, 03:37 PM
In your eyes, i wont be gaining shit towards a total lvl.

In my eyes, im gaining xp to go towards my rank using races I enjoy playing. Now, I might not unlock a lvl 700 race *cough*eva*cough* doing this but why the hell would I care if i'm having fun being awesome on races I know how to play and do well on.

i'd rather see people who want to use all the races, atleast play them all to lvl 10. if they are enjoying a race, by all means max it and have all the fun you want on it when your online. But if your really butt hurt and depressed because everyone's outlvling you while you have a lvl 20 undead and nothing else still, go lvl something else cause maxing it out right away doesn't seem like its working out for you (he knows who he is even though he doesn't read the forums unless i link it to him).

Just hearing how this system goes, it probably is possible for somebody to just sit on a starter race and get #1 on the server if they gained enough xp on it. They just wont have many other races unlocked compared to somebody hitting lvl 10 on all their races.

Even if it is changed to allow more levels, you will still gain XP. Does it REALLY motivate you less to see 500/10000 compared to XP:500? Currently on SH I have about 18,000 extra XP. I REALLY wish this would help me get to Molecule, and other races. Instead, I am basically gaining nothing. I DO prefer playing on it because I am good at it, but its FORCING you to play races that you don't want to in order to unlock higher races. That is pointless, and no fun at all. For example, I don't enjoy playing Orc. But I basically need to, to unlock higher races.

DJ_MikeyRevile
01-04-2011, 03:41 PM
leave it the way it is. Like Maynard and a few others said that the pint of playing a race after it is maxed out is to enjoy the race and not dish out 12356126234xp every death. Granted i am 6 lvls from maxing all the current races, i plan on still playing just as active once school starts just because i enjoy the server and how much fun it can be.

Hitman
01-04-2011, 05:21 PM
big whoop, wana fight about it?
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/ktown4life1337/images.jpg

Hes only pissed because he got laughed at by someone for something he tried to do and failed.......

I still laugh every time I think about that story LOL

Best part about it all is that hes not even a tough guy, hes a small kid who probably gets beat up at school a lot.....LOL

Christmas
01-04-2011, 05:50 PM
Hes only pissed because he got laughed at by someone for something he tried to do and failed.......

I still laugh every time I think about that story LOL

Best part about it all is that hes not even a tough guy, hes a small kid who probably gets beat up at school a lot.....LOL

What now?

frvwfr2
01-04-2011, 10:08 PM
leave it the way it is. Like Maynard and a few others said that the pint of playing a race after it is maxed out is to enjoy the race and not dish out 12356126234xp every death. Granted i am 6 lvls from maxing all the current races, i plan on still playing just as active once school starts just because i enjoy the server and how much fun it can be.

Do you guys read the previous posts? Like where I said if it is possible to cap the XP given? How would you feel if that is possible Mikey?