Several stat hackers...

[Spasm]

Ok Ok, I was bored this morning and decided to check out some stats on the gun game page. I clicked this guy right here..[SuCλ]Ninja Moe, hes rank 2. http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=168276

While I was checking out his page I noticed in his victims list he has killed several people, tons of times, with real interesting kill to death ratios. The Kdr ratio's look as if they are a perfect fraction, or very very close.

1 1613 RU Barbos 2,522 1,009 2.50 an even 2.50 wtf
2 160 US gh0st 1,605 1,586 1.01 almost an even 1.0
3 2483 SE Rudolf med RÖDA mulen 1,518 1,008 1.51 same here but 1.5
4 9713 US Dr. Pickens 1,512 504 3.00 3.0 EVEN
5 1433 US .:ĞǾĦ:.beemer [C] 562 35 16.06 Crazy Kdr
6 1576 US The Dirty Mexican 509 4 127.25 Crazy Kdr
7 1104 US Blitz 506 1,008 0.50 0.5 EVEN
8 626 US buckzxl 504 0 504.00
9 - US Haro 504 0 504.00
10 44 00 RAC || Xerenix 124 70 1.77 Legit

I put xerenix in there because he was 10 on this guys victim list and I know hes legit. The first column after the name is kills, then deaths, then Kdr. I copied this right off the stat page. Several of them are 504 kills and 0 deaths, 2 different guys, 504 kills. This trend can also been seen in the other guys as well. Considering the fact that xerenix is legit, these guys have got WAY too many kills. 2500 kills on one guy, come on.

Upon farther investigation, the guys that he has killed all have really fucked up victim lists as well, and it seems as if all them are connected. The hitboxes on this guy just look wierd as hell and ZERO head shots. The guys also always use 1 or 2 different guns, one of them uses nothing but the aug, in gun game... He gets like 1500 kills with just the aug in gun game, without using any other weapons. I have compiled a list of the guys that I believe should be banned for stat hacking or stat manipulation. I know some of you have played with these guys, but if they are using hacking tools to manipulate their stats, who says they won't be using wall hacks, or aim hacks, or any kind of cheat for cs.

Heres the list with links to stat page and their name.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=168276 ninja moe
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=176066 rudolf
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=186918 spyder
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=188739 pickens
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=110377 mr jello
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=115332 ghost
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=162001 lelric
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=21330 blitz
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=112236 fingerboy
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=73109 barbos
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=166388 haro
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=188225 ras1395
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=125131 dirty mex
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=155933 buck
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=187401 (1) Player
http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=62466&vsort=deaths&vorder=desc#victims beemer, had to go to death order, seems less fishy but still

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Ninja moe seems to have two victims who have never killed him but he has killed 504 times... resulting in a 504.00 kdr for these two individuals

[Spasm]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=188739&wsort=accuracy&worder=desc#weapons Has only used 2 guns and got 1100 kills, explain that, this is gun game by the way with 100 percent acc on the awp

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i Agree 100%

Iv noticed one very common trait with all the links you posted.
there seems to be alot of the same number "504"

with ratios that are 504:0

this is on all these different pages of people.

[Spasm]

I am posting it here to get some feedback, because I was just going to ban them all, just seems real fishy.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Look at every single one of those profiles. They all played one map specifically which magically jacked up their scores. gg_mad_grua

[Spasm]

Look at every single one of those profiles. They all played one map specifically which magically jacked up their scores. gg_mad_grua

http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=186918 says he played gg_mad_grua 504 games with 7560 kills and 5546 deaths, while online time being 00:00:00 with 63,000 levels gained.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=186918 says he played gg_mad_grua 504 games with 7560 kills and 5546 deaths, while online time being 00:00:00 with 63,000 levels gained.


one of those guys on the list is in the server nominating this particular map as we speak.. talk about timing lolol

i screen shot it

http://i54.tinypic.com/if2w69.jpg


Ill spend the rest of the day analyzing there steam ids.

So far i have found nothing searching there steam ids.. they all have no records of anything....

[TheDirtyMex]

Hey, DJ MikeyRevile i heard you same something about stat hacking and decided to check the forums. I used to play here a ton couple of months ago and then i took a break and my kdr does seem to off pretty sure last time i remember checking it it was at 1.17. So i was kind of confused as well and just thought something was going on with the stats.

[TheDirtyMex]

Holy shit i just looked at my stats and 2020 deaths at mad grua WTF.

*Also the top 4 people to kill me i have never played with [SuCλ]Ninja Moe STEAM_0:1:3031270, spyd3r05 STEAM_0:1:1703969, (1)Player STEAM_0:1:16397740, Hello Mr. Jello STEAM_0:0:6111822*

[Spasm]

Looks like it might be the map.

[ZERO]

So there is something on the map that gives them all those kills?

[TheDirtyMex]

i dont have any extra kills just a ton of extra deaths right?

[Spasm]

So there is something on the map that gives them all those kills?

Having played the map before I don't think so, it must be glitching. It's a real basic map too, very small and what not.

[ZERO]

OK here is a link to the demo of every time that map was played in the last 7 days :wtg:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/media/gg_mad_grua.rar

[brett friggin favre]

So there is something on the map that gives them all those kills?

That's what it's looking like, though I have no idea how. Surely some of those people do have screwed up stats, and it appears that the map has something to do with it. However, I have played there (only twice) and my stats appear normal. 27-12 for 2 games is not out of the ordinary for me, and that does equal a 2.25 kdr, as it shows. However, it also says I have lost 23 levels...hmm. The lvls gained per game played also seems odd unless I'm thinking of it wrong...but it's off for all maps.

http://i55.tinypic.com/zlc75v.png

[devour]

this calls for a stats reset across all servers :)

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Holy shit i just looked at my stats and 2020 deaths at mad grua WTF.

*Also the top 4 people to kill me i have never played with [SuCλ]Ninja Moe STEAM_0:1:3031270, spyd3r05 STEAM_0:1:1703969, (1)Player STEAM_0:1:16397740, Hello Mr. Jello STEAM_0:0:6111822*

you also have a total of 3 and a half min. on that map with 500+ kills...

brett

the krd seems normal for you.

you have 12 deaths collectivly on that map

and 27 kills

24 kills with 12 deaths would be a 2.0 kdr

[ZERO]

What you also may have uncovered here is an issue with the entire ranking system for that server. If you guys wanted I could create a new one myself that works slightly differently but uses the new psychostats version that the zm, wcs and pub servers use.

I could make a point based allocation system that works sort of like how the xp does for wcs. Where you just get points for things and that is how the rank is determined.

So it could be +1 for every level gained -1 for every level lost and something like +100 is you win and -5 if your the one that granted the winning kill. :smirk:

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

What you also may have uncovered here is an issue with the entire ranking system for that server. If you guys wanted I could create a new one myself that works slightly differently but uses the new psychostats version that the zm, wcs and pub servers use.

I could make a point based allocation system that works sort of like how the xp does for wcs. Where you just get points for things and that is how the rank is determined.

So it could be +1 for every level gained -1 for every level lost and something like +100 is you win and -5 if your the one that granted the winning kill. :smirk:

i have no objection to that at all but i think before you tackle that project maybe invesitgate a little bit more.
ill take all there ips and search the other servers for the same type of behaviour.

also what makes me a bit suspicious is that alot of those people spasm posted .. are each others highest kills
This could be due to the fact that all these players happened to be playing at one time when this map was voted.

it still dosnt explain why dirtymex was nominating this map earlier today and why these specific people are nominating the map.


FINAL EDIT: im convinced it is the map. The behviour was not present for the players that have played on our other servers, as well as the number of weird KD's and kills add up to the amount of deaths and kills for just that map. The rest of these players stats look normal in relation to every map other then gura.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

there is nothing on that map that indicates anything.

no spots that give plyers a ton of points (lthough, since gg's in-game kills are represented as your level it's possible that the map attributes ahittons of kills w/out them showing up in the playerlist.)

maybe someone could look at the map in hammer or whatnot and check?

the map is fucking excellent otherwise

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

there is nothing on that map that indicates anything.

no spots that give plyers a ton of points (lthough, since gg's in-game kills are represented as your level it's possible that the map attributes ahittons of kills w/out them showing up in the playerlist.)

maybe someone could look at the map in hammer or whatnot and check?

the map is fucking excellent otherwise

im sure it has somthing to do with the water and water death triggers.

then again i doubt you read my post before this.

[Spasm]

What you also may have uncovered here is an issue with the entire ranking system for that server. If you guys wanted I could create a new one myself that works slightly differently but uses the new psychostats version that the zm, wcs and pub servers use.

I could make a point based allocation system that works sort of like how the xp does for wcs. Where you just get points for things and that is how the rank is determined.

So it could be +1 for every level gained -1 for every level lost and something like +100 is you win and -5 if your the one that granted the winning kill. :smirk:

I like this :)

I don't think it is the water, and heres why, on their stats pages, it is saying they played 504 games. So I am thinking the stats engine got messed up and thought they were playing 504 games, which would explain why everything is multiplied by 504. If the number is off by maybe 1 or 2, its probably because they played the other person on the pervious map or at another time all together.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I like this :)

I don't think it is the water, and heres why, on their stats pages, it is saying they played 504 games. So I am thinking the stats engine got messed up and thought they were playing 504 games, which would explain why everything is multiplied by 504. If the number is off by maybe 1 or 2, its probably because they played the other person on the pervious map or at another time all together.

wishi is what i suggested in my previous post. Im sure this would and can be all fixed by just removing the map.

Though i really do like that ranking system idea, but along with sweeping the ranks and starting anew comes several whiney babys saying they lost there 1000 gg wins.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

wishi is what i suggested in my previous post. Im sure this would and can be all fixed by just removing the map.

Though i really do like that ranking system idea, but along with sweeping the ranks and starting anew comes several whiney babys saying they lost there 1000 gg wins.

except the map is one of the better gg maps we have.

which is why i suggested someone look at it and try to fix it if it is the map.

does anyone else who's played that map have fucked up rank? like me?