priest abuse

[cswithhelmet]

Admin's INGAME name: Priest
You're INGAME name: I Play CS With A Helmet On
Server: ZM
Map: 4corners
Date & Time: 5/17/11 4:25pm

How did he/she abuse (See TOS): KIcking another admin because i didn't have "right" tag on. Kicked me twice. I've had this tag for several years and never once got told by zero to change the tag. There's only a couple of admins that actually care that it isn't ibis.a. Priest came into the server looking for trouble saying he had to go ahead from maynard to kick me as he pleases. Even besides him kicking me twice i then kicked him and his reason for kicking me the first time was n/a the second for name calling. After the second time He sated that i was now going to be banned so i kicked him.

[maynard]

zero has stated NUMEROUS times that if you join the server without the proper tag on, you're joining as a REGULAR person and should NOT use admin commands. if you join the server without the proper admin tag on, you do not count towards senior admin, and can't use admin commands, you're just a regular person unless you have ibis.a on, not whatever tag you feel like making up that doesn't even include the word "ibis" in it.

[cswithhelmet]

and there's the lackey himself. And if you're playing the can't use admin commands if you're not the senior then every admin in that server is abusing and has been for a very long time. I froze two people for illegal cading, having warned them first.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

looks like other people can kick him than. you all know the rules, if you join without the admin tag on, you join as a regular person... so the fact he's using admin powers without the proper tag is abuse in it's self... more so cause he's been warned about it numerous times in the past... among other things...

I think I'm gonna start playing ZM again for a bit, it seems all the issue we're having seem 2 stem from there lately.

check
and
mate

[maynard]

and there's the lackey himself.

it's pronounced "Clan member"

or you can call me "the guy who knows the rules like the back of his hand" or anything else that compliments how I'm correct, and you're not. if you're breaking the rules in the server or being disrespectful towards admins and don't have an admin tag on, they can discipline you as they could any 1 else (other than those wearing a admin tag) derp.

[cswithhelmet]

check
and
mate

Continued, With what you say it was not up to Priest to kick/try to ban me, it is up to the senior admin on the server, in which Priest abused again for not consulting him.

[maynard]

senior admin = who has control over the map changes... and nothing else.


Priest came into the server looking for trouble saying he had to go ahead from maynard to kick me as he pleases

and just 2 address this as I'm not biased... no 1 has the go ahead 2 kick you if you don't have the tag on. they do provided you were insulting them, or starting shit... cause remember, if you join without the tag, you're just another regular, not an admin. people can kick you if you don't have the tag, BUT you need 2 obviously be breaking rules or infractions... so in other words, normal procedure needs 2 play out.

[cswithhelmet]

So in the rulebook it states that if a admin is using his admin without the proper tag in it is warrant to kick them?

[maynard]

I edited my post, read up. only if you're breaking a rule. regular procedure still needs 2 play out. given if you do wrong, you can be disciplined instead of them having 2 report it because you are infact not an admin unless you're wearing the tag.

the only time not wearing the tag is ok and you can use commands is when you're basically going covert and trying 2 catch someone in the act.

[cswithhelmet]

I wasn't breaking any rules.

[maynard]

ill look into the demo's in an hour or so and see what really went down.. but I feel you know you've been busted yet again abusing your powers (ill also review that demo) and you're really just making a last ditch effort 2 start shit before you are stripped of your powers, or just lose access 2 them.

also given your abuse thread is based on an admin kicking another admin it doesn't really count for anything cause you didn't have your tag on, and don't count as an admin without it.

[cswithhelmet]

There was no abuse of powers. I warned two people about putting vending machines where you spawn into the top of a tower and they didn't do anything about it. The round previous i also warned them. I froze them when they refused to fix the cade. Fine, take admin kicking admin out of it i was still kicked for no reason the first time other then he felt like doing it.

---------- Post added at 07:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:05 PM ----------

1) Under no circumstances are standard* admins allowed to perform any admin command on a fellow clan members / admins.
2) Map changes will be dictated by clan members*** / the automated map vote. If there are no high ranking clan members on the server, the first admin on the server will have the privilege of changing the map to what he / she wants. However, this is not to be abused by rapid map changes.
3) If there is a debate between two standard admins regarding a hacker, no ban will take place.
4) Use admin privileges sparingly and appropriately.
5) Be respectful and non offensive of our community and its members regardless of race sex, or religious beliefs.
6) ABSOLUTLY no public flaming / arguing between clan members.
7) No Banning clan members or admins.
8)A demo must be recorded of a hacker prior to a hackers ban.
9)Banning someone should only be used as a last resort to get a player to listen or to remove a hacker.(In other words mute a spammer do not ban him right away.)
10) All bans must have a demo to be perma
11) Punishment should be issued in accordance with the server rules topic located in the rules forum http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495


Breaking these rules in any way will result in admin privileges being revoked, and for more severe cases being removed from the clan, server, ect. All cases will be evaluated and assessed by high ranking clan members. If you feel that a clan member / admin has broken any of these rules, please post in the correct fourm. Admin is not refundable.
*= standard admin’s are basically everyone that has admin besides clan members.
**=clan members are admins with the <ibis> tag on while in the server. If they do not have the tag on they do not count.
***= high ranking clan members include: Steven(ZERO), Jared(krod/JigSaW), Robby(ENZO)
This tos is subject to change, check to see changes in the future.


It does not state that without a tag on you are not allowed to perform admin commands. Without my tag i i was considered a standard admin. So after reading those it still stands a clan member used admin commands on a admin. I went through the ToS and the rules and neither state the tag requirement.

Am i wrong or am i missing something?

[Steamer]

It does not state that without a tag on you are not allowed to perform admin commands. Without my tag i i was considered a standard admin. So after reading those it still stands a clan member used admin commands on a admin. I went through the ToS and the rules and neither state the tag requirement.

Am i wrong or am i missing something?

You sir are partly correct. It does not say in any rule section that you can't use admin commands without a tag. It does however state that unless you wear a tag you are NOT an admin. IE: Don't use commands without tag. Once again Zero may have to add another addendum for derps.

[maynard]

or people could just listen 2 what zero has said many times over... no tag = you're not a admin and are not prohibited 2 use commands unless you're trying 2 catch someone in the act under a false name for cover. him kicking you does not count as admin abuse (in the sense it's an admin using commands on another) derp.

[cswithhelmet]

You sir are partly correct. It does not say in any rule section that you can't use admin commands without a tag. It does however state that unless you wear a tag you are NOT an admin. IE: Don't use commands without tag. Once again Zero may have to add another addendum for derps.

I'm fully correct. It states that if you do not have the ibis tag on you are not counted as a clan member, but as a standard admin.


or people could just listen 2 what zero has said many times over... no tag = you're not a admin and are not prohibited 2 use commands unless you're trying 2 catch someone in the act under a false name for cover. him kicking you does not count as admin abuse (in the sense it's an admin using commands on another) derp.

But if i'm right, that goes against the ToS which in turn makes rules pointless.

[Steamer]

Either way this is self incriminating and CS has clearly admitted to breaking TOS.

No tag, no admin, clearly said by Zero many many times over. Zero's word is ultimate, written or not, that's just how it is around these parts and always will be. Being around as long as you have CS you should know this by now.

[maynard]

I'm fully correct

no, you're actually completely wrong, cause zero has personally addressed this issue many times Lol.

*= standard admin’s are basically everyone that has admin besides clan members.

and 2 be an admin you MUST have your tag on as the line bellow also states.


**=clan members are admins with the <ibis> tag on while in the server. If they do not have the tag on they do not count.

that goes for admins as well.. but like I said I'm done arguing with ya, Zero's word means a bit more than what you think the rules mean. No tag = joining as a regular person.

this is closed for obvious reasons. I'm sure zero will post soon enough on this.

you not being active on the forums is your problem, no 1 elses... if you were active you might know what zero has said regarding certain gray areas in the community.


Zero's word is ultimate

:wtg:

[ZERO]

Actually if I remember correctly his name is too long to work with the tag and so he uses something close enough. However he was supposed to try to join that admin group so he can have the tag appended that way. This is from what I remember so I could be wrong, now back to learning sql... (I will look more into these matters latter)

[maynard]

I just made my name 123456789123456789123456789 and the game accepted it. but when you do have free time, look at this

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/6443-Motion-May-17-4-15amEST

as this is really the heart of the issue. anex said it's strait up abuse, he already watched it.