- Tac ♥ (Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:8405942)

[Disflux]

WHO: - Tac ♥ (Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:8405942)

SB_Status: dU0H12L7jKvbYTF0qvfJv0EnMXeYJ3t818uMZ8ICPT8

WHY: Walls/Map Hacks

WHERE: Gungame Server

WHEN: 6/22/11; ~12:35am Central

BAN: Permanent

If you watch him as he goes along, his cursor is primarily always on an opponents head past boxes, and he prefires 90% of his shots. Not to mention, as you can see in the videos, even in some "heated" situations where he's spinning around getting headshots on people, he comes out of it with his cursor almost perfectly on another player. I know that Tac is a regular, but his navigation of the map around enemy player along with their positions is highly uncanny, but I would like additional feedback on this demo.

Here's the demo: 3878

[Joker]

I know that Tac is a regular

I have never seen nor have I ever heard of him, so him being "regular" is debatable

P.S. I'll review the demo soon

Edit : Bad ban he's not walling at all I do have to admit he's pretty observant, because with a decent headset and watching where other people are shooting you could tell every single time where the ct's were. The only iffy thing I saw in there was at tick 3400 when he went over in that corner, but any decent player could have just looked there automatically by instinct.

[Tac]

but any decent player could have just looked there automatically by instinct.

Confirming that I do in fact wall hack with my ears (razer carcharias ftw). I just finished watching the demo, to amuse myself I even turned on mat_wireframe 3 just to see if it even looked like I was wall hacking, as stated above, it really didn't. I remember tick 3400 pretty clearly, I heard footsteps, there were no t's on radar in the area, I also heard a knife, I think me checking a corner was a good idea.

Sooo back to what I was talking about, we know wallhacking is a silly accusation (do sv_cheats 1; mat_wireframe 3 in demo). Aimbot? Here, let me attach a picture of it: http://i.imgur.com/BpF6t.jpg ,aww hell, here is my wallhack too: http://i.imgur.com/fmi6l.jpg

I hope those knowledgeable here can take the demo and slow it down to see how my aim magically snaps to peoples heads and stays there.. oh wait.

Besides that, i know deagle5 extremely well, I know where the other team will spawn depending on where my team spawns, I know the choke points, i know the common camp points which is why people will notice me doing well on maps like this and aim shotty for example, let us go to something completely different like simpsons street and I'll be just awful. I also do in fact use the radar extensively, because besides footsteps that's another great way to find enemies, you'll always see me bitching at team mates for not paying attention to radar when they come around a corner and fill me with bullets :( .

In the end, all I want is an apology from disflux and an unban.

[Disflux]

In the end, all I want is an apology from disflux and an unban.

If you're going to be rude, and snide, then I will not offer you any apology no matter what the outcome of this ban might be, whether it stay as a ban or result in an unban. In my opinion, your cockiness does not help the situation.

I found that Tac was using ESP hacks, if you don't know what ESP hacks are, Zero posted a nice snippet of them here:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/244-How-to-find-hackers

I agree with what you said in some cases Joker, that the position of the CT's can be obvious. What I don't agree with is the fact that Tac said that he knows where the other team spawns depending on the spawn position of his own team. If you watch the round that starts around tick 6700, Tac literally runs crossword throughout the entire map, without looking in any direction other than forward. That round, he gets no kills, but his apparent knowledge of where the CT's are without needing to check corners is, like I said, uncanny.

At tick 3400 Tac decides to actually check a corner for somebody with a knife. Prior to this, like I had said, Tac barely checks any corners whatsoever, which I found strange because this entire game people were mostly knifing. There's no way Tac didn't know that the majority of people were only knifing, as people were talking about it in chat, and text. The 2 rounds or so that I played before going into spectator I had to literally check every corner in order to avoid getting knifed, but Tac seems to run along like it's nobodies business.

At tick 2000 Tac goes around the opposite side of a corner from his team-mate to "pincer" a CT player, but at tick 2180 his cursor pauses for a second as if watching the enemy player through the boxes, and instead of going left (which he seemed to intend to do), he instead goes right and ends up behind the enemy player, directing straight towards him.

I find it ridiculously uncanny as to how "observant" Tac is when it comes to where the majority of the other team is. I find that putting mat_wireframe 3 on actually helps to enforce my side of the argument more than it supports Tac's, as it shows how distanced Tac is from the enemy players and how conveniently he is able to just come in and clean up the mess.

Another thing, which Penis also noted on his post (which defended Tac not to get it confused with anything else), is that Deagle does not have a designated mini-map, meaning that you can only see player positions and not make out any lanes, boxes, walls, etc... This makes watching your mini-map a tad harder. Yes, you can identify a "general area" where people are. But couple that with what I said earlier about Tac not checking corners, it seems he all too knowingly tracks enemies.

There's what I saw and the reasons as to why I banned Tac. I will not offer Tac an apology if he gets unbanned because of his cockiness, but will instead issue him a first warning for his spray (a pink horse sucking a dick animated gif). See the rules for Sprays here:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/495-Server-Rules-1.7

Where it says:
"VIII. Sprays
1) A spray that contains "gay" images
A) Gay men or body parts
2) Disgusting images
A) Things that look really bad
a) includes BBW images designed to shock players
3) A spray that is sprayed after the user has been warned multiple times."

I will, however, offer an apology to the Ibis clan member that has to unban Tac if it is decided that he has to be unbanned. I'm sorry if I wasted your time, but I honestly felt that this was a hacking situation.

[Tac]

If you're going to be rude, and snide, then I will not offer you any apology no matter what the outcome of this ban might be, whether it stay as a ban or result in an unban. In my opinion, your cockiness does not help the situation.

I found that Tac was using ESP hacks, if you don't know what ESP hacks are, Zero posted a nice snippet of them here:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/244-How-to-find-hackers

All I have to say is 'lol', I know you are trying to pin the whole hacker thing on me really hard, but really, I don't hack, sorry.

In terms of cockiness, I'm trying to be reasonable here, not cocky.




I agree with what you said in some cases Joker, that the position of the CT's can be obvious. What I don't agree with is the fact that Tac said that he knows where the other team spawns depending on the spawn position of his own team. If you watch the round that starts around tick 6700, Tac literally runs crossword throughout the entire map, without looking in any direction other than forward. That round, he gets no kills, but his apparent knowledge of where the CT's are without needing to check corners is, like I said, uncanny.

That was more of a derp decision, I rely heavily on good team mates to rush in with me, and at the time, I didn't feel enough people were on the same side as me, plus, I was actually expecting more CTs to be coming from the left side of the map (respective to t's) then right, pretty sure if I had my esp hacks I would have at least gone middle.


At tick 3400 Tac decides to actually check a corner for somebody with a knife. Prior to this, like I had said, Tac barely checks any corners whatsoever, which I found strange because this entire game people were mostly knifing. There's no way Tac didn't know that the majority of people were only knifing, as people were talking about it in chat, and text. The 2 rounds or so that I played before going into spectator I had to literally check every corner in order to avoid getting knifed, but Tac seems to run along like it's nobodies business.


First things first, i was aware people were knifing, which is why I used my wallhack, pictured in the previous post combined with the minimap. You see, I have no reason to check corners if a team mate just ran through that area, and if I'm not hearing any footsteps. If I hear some footsteps, and then suddenly they stop and there is nothing on the minimap, I get a tad suspicious, and hey, I check corners.


At tick 2000 Tac goes around the opposite side of a corner from his team-mate to "pincer" a CT player, but at tick 2180 his cursor pauses for a second as if watching the enemy player through the boxes, and instead of going left (which he seemed to intend to do), he instead goes right and ends up behind the enemy player, directing straight towards him.

Team mate went left, I went right. What you can't see is what my radar looked like. You see, when your team mate sees an enemy, it shows up on your radar instantly, I also heard shooting, so I thought hey, instead of going right, I'll go left and see if I can get the guy!

Also, I didn't see that pause you were talking about :( it also took me a bit to actually notice the ct at 2180 with my teammate being pretty much right infront of him looking at the wireframes, nice try though. [/quote]


I find it ridiculously uncanny as to how "observant" Tac is when it comes to where the majority of the other team is. I find that putting mat_wireframe 3 on actually helps to enforce my side of the argument more than it supports Tac's, as it shows how distanced Tac is from the enemy players and how conveniently he is able to just come in and clean up the mess.



I'm not sure what you are even trying to say now, it feels like you are grasping at straws.




Another thing, which Penis also noted on his post (which defended Tac not to get it confused with anything else), is that Deagle does not have a designated mini-map, meaning that you can only see player positions and not make out any lanes, boxes, walls, etc... This makes watching your mini-map a tad harder. Yes, you can identify a "general area" where people are. But couple that with what I said earlier about Tac not checking corners, it seems he all too knowingly tracks enemies.

After you've played deagle 5 for 3+ years, you know where in relation to the minimap people are, this is a terrible argument and you should feel terrible.



There's what I saw and the reasons as to why I banned Tac. I will not offer Tac an apology if he gets unbanned because of his cockiness, but will instead issue him a first warning for his spray (a pink horse sucking a dick animated gif). See the rules for Sprays here:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/495-Server-Rules-1.7

Where it says:
"VIII. Sprays
1) A spray that contains "gay" images
A) Gay men or body parts
2) Disgusting images
A) Things that look really bad
a) includes BBW images designed to shock players
3) A spray that is sprayed after the user has been warned multiple times."



I find it amusing that my spray just now became a problem, not a few maps earlier when you were playing with me and it was actually directly brought up.

[Disflux]

I honestly have nothing more to add to this conversation. So if you're looking to draw a response from me, the only thing I"ll give you is this:
"VII. Respect
1) Players that disrespect others
2) Player continuously nags others and continues despite reasonable requests to silence including mutes and kicks
3) Players that disrespect Admins or <ibis>
A) Player that nags an admin repeatedly despite being told to
B) Player that is not respectful of someone of a higher position
C) Flipping out at an admin after being told to
a) Cursing
b) Screaming into mic
c) Ranting about how the admin, ect is gay ect."

[Tac]

I honestly have nothing more to add to this conversation. So if you're looking to draw a response from me, the only thing I"ll give you is this:
"VII. Respect
1) Players that disrespect others
2) Player continuously nags others and continues despite reasonable requests to silence including mutes and kicks
3) Players that disrespect Admins or <ibis>
A) Player that nags an admin repeatedly despite being told to
B) Player that is not respectful of someone of a higher position
C) Flipping out at an admin after being told to
a) Cursing
b) Screaming into mic
c) Ranting about how the admin, ect is gay ect."

I deserve some respect too, plus, no where in my post have I disrespected you, or <ibis>. I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion here.

EDIT: Found the link to the recording for the whole thing: ftp://208.43.70.233/auto-20110622-012857-gg_deagle5_4hm.dem watching that with mat_wireframe 3 once again, and I was thinking, if I really was hacking, I'd be pretty terrible at that, because I missed a ton more kills :<

EDIT 2: Stumbled on this too: http://www.ibisgaming.com/gg_stats/player.php?id=66113 Now are those stats fit for a hacker? What about the other 41 people who are ranked higher then me?

[Joker]

I find that putting mat_wireframe 3 on actually helps to enforce my side of the argument more than it supports Tac's

Now I'm not taking sides with this comment, but I reviewed the demo with mat_wireframe 3 command
I also reviewed it with r_drawothermodels 2 command which actually works better for detecting wall hacks,
I also reduced the speed to 31% and there was only that one spot that I saw at tick 3400 that was a little iffy, all of the rest of that demo was clean.

[nightstrife]

Now guys let's take a down a notch and stop this pissing contest because it is starting to smell. I also reviewed the demo and saw not much wrong but goodjob on trying to catch hackers keep it up. I vote for a unban due to lack of evidence.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Unban, lack of evidence. Tac, if what he said about your spray is true, i suggest changing it while in our servers.

[Tac]

Tac, if what he said about your spray is true, i suggest changing it while in our servers.

I have absolutely no problems with doing that, but I do want to at least make a case for myself first.

This is the image in question: http://i.imgur.com/OvSEG.gif

"VIII. Sprays
1) A spray that contains "gay" images - In this image fellatio is performed by a female pony, to an unknown male.
A) Gay men or body parts - No gay men are present.
2) Disgusting images - This one is up to personal interpretation, some can find pictures of naked women sprayed disgusting, so this would be kind of a gray area.
A) Things that look really bad - No gore here...
a) includes BBW images designed to shock players - That pony seems to be in shape.
3) A spray that is sprayed after the user has been warned multiple times." - Have not been warped previous to this point... which is something that concerns me just a tad. You see, I've had this spray for a few days now, and plenty of admins have witnessed it, including disflux few maps before my ban. In fact, it was brought directly to his attention, but he did not in any way issue a warning. I believe the warning that was issued in this thread was simply out of spite, but like I said, if this spray really is considered to be breaking the rules, I'll gladly switch back to my old spray.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I have absolutely no problems with doing that, but I do want to at least make a case for myself first.

This is the image in question: http://i.imgur.com/OvSEG.gif

"VIII. Sprays
1) A spray that contains "gay" images - In this image fellatio is performed by a female pony, to an unknown male.
A) Gay men or body parts - No gay men are present.
2) Disgusting images - This one is up to personal interpretation, some can find pictures of naked women sprayed disgusting, so this would be kind of a gray area.
A) Things that look really bad - No gore here...
a) includes BBW images designed to shock players - That pony seems to be in shape.
3) A spray that is sprayed after the user has been warned multiple times." - Have not been warped previous to this point... which is something that concerns me just a tad. You see, I've had this spray for a few days now, and plenty of admins have witnessed it, including disflux few maps before my ban. In fact, it was brought directly to his attention, but he did not in any way issue a warning. I believe the warning that was issued in this thread was simply out of spite, but like I said, if this spray really is considered to be breaking the rules, I'll gladly switch back to my old spray.

Even if you were banned for the spray which i see no problem with, a perma ban was not in line. As for the demo i see so solid evidence regarding hacks.
at the end of the day, its up to disflux or a clan member to unban you.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

...

your spray...

that's a horrible thing to do to pinky pie

[Disflux]

I have absolutely no problems with doing that, but I do want to at least make a case for myself first.

This is the image in question: http://i.imgur.com/OvSEG.gif

"VIII. Sprays
1) A spray that contains "gay" images - In this image fellatio is performed by a female pony, to an unknown male.
A) Gay men or body parts - No gay men are present.
2) Disgusting images - This one is up to personal interpretation, some can find pictures of naked women sprayed disgusting, so this would be kind of a gray area.
A) Things that look really bad - No gore here...
a) includes BBW images designed to shock players - That pony seems to be in shape.
3) A spray that is sprayed after the user has been warned multiple times." - Have not been warped previous to this point... which is something that concerns me just a tad. You see, I've had this spray for a few days now, and plenty of admins have witnessed it, including disflux few maps before my ban. In fact, it was brought directly to his attention, but he did not in any way issue a warning. I believe the warning that was issued in this thread was simply out of spite, but like I said, if this spray really is considered to be breaking the rules, I'll gladly switch back to my old spray.

It does contain male body parts.

Also, if it's the map I remember. I did tell you that it could be "considered a gay spray". But I had not taken an in-depth look at your spray until watching the demo and it popped up after every round. Also, if anybody brought it to my attention, It would have had to have been through in-game text, since I was listening to music at the time, in particular, Cobra Starship. I was only catching bits and pieces when the music would soften. In any case, the "disgusting images" is personal interpretation, and i've interpreted it as disgusting and weird. So please change it.

Ban has been lifted. Post here if you have any problems connecting.

[Tac]

...

your spray...

that's a horrible thing to do to pinky pie

Hey, pinky does love to party...

[Tac]

It does contain male body parts. So does heterosexual porn.

Also, if it's the map I remember. I did tell you that it could be "considered a gay spray". But I had not taken an in-depth look at your spray until watching the demo and it popped up after every round.
You asked if the pony was a guy, and I said no. That was the extent of your questioning.

Also, if anybody brought it to my attention, It would have had to have been through in-game text, since I was listening to music at the time, in particular, Cobra Starship. I was only catching bits and pieces when the music would soften. I did reply in text actually.

In any case, the "disgusting images" is personal interpretation, and i've interpreted it as disgusting and weird. So please change it.
Very well.

Ban has been lifted. Post here if you have any problems connecting.

Thank you.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hey, pinky does love to party...

but...
well...
...
touche

pretty much anything w/ a penis is not allowed. it's up to the admin's discretion, however, when it's not blatantly gay

[maynard]

ill review the demo this evening. nvm, you unband him.

Closed

hit me up on steam at hockeyplyr if the unban did not work.