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maynard
08-02-2011, 11:03 PM
shitty weird map that doesn't work for WCS. we have already removed it once, SM change re added it.

acolyte_to_jippity
10-01-2011, 01:15 AM
WHY IS THIS MAP STILL ON THE SERVER?

take it off.

SCRIBBLE
10-01-2011, 07:32 AM
Awful map.

People vote for it for whatever reason, few people claim it's the coolest fucking thing since sliced bread to show off, we get to it, everyone leaves, no one RTVs.

Wonderful way to clear out the server.

Crazyyoshi
10-01-2011, 02:00 PM
This map is an ok map for the first time playing it. Usually people come in and screw around on it. Then everyone leaves or its rtved in a few rounds.

acolyte_to_jippity
10-01-2011, 02:16 PM
ok

it's an awesome map, to play just to fuck around in and explore. the map is extremely complicated and well-mad.

that said, it's absolute crap for wcs, or any server with less than 40 people.

brett friggin favre
10-01-2011, 02:28 PM
i love it. i dont think it should be removed simply for when people wanna screw around and have fun.

maynard
10-01-2011, 04:59 PM
we already removed this crap map once, when we switched 2 SM it was re-added... we need it removed again along with some others.

Masskid
10-01-2011, 05:58 PM
instead of remove it entirely we could only remove it from the vote but still let admins access it?

maynard
10-01-2011, 08:33 PM
the point of playing WCS is 2 pick a race, and lvl it and become better with it... not make the entire server go on pause for 30-40 minutes 2 run around and explore a map... it's just stupid. this map does not belong on the server as it completely stops the purpose of the server and what people want 2 do.

Blackmage
10-02-2011, 03:27 AM
I do agree that this map and it's ilk do no belong on the normal rotation. That being said, I don't agree that this kind of map has NO place in WCS. What is the problem with it? Rooms are almost all a novelty. But then, we also have the music room in crane, the zombie and lights in classified and a number of other small novelties in various maps. It has rooms where you have to watch from odd places, but you get that one from maps with vents and overhangs. It feels "Mazy", but that's just the novelty factor you're feeling, it's actually straightforward (Minus the CT spawn doors with no labels). The auto kill rooms(pudding and awp), and the damaging areas(bars and flying head) are the main problems IMO. But even then, we have the water in deathcookin and port. We have high places where Beast and Human teleport and kill themselves. Spiderman and Vaga are killing themselves all the time. In travel time, it's about as big as a map like nuke or thunder or train. What is the big difference that makes this map so bad?

The game actually seldom grinds to a halt. As long as the person with the bomb doesn't go off to never-never land, the objective gets done as much as any other DE map, which is usually less than fifty percent. Even with most people playing around, the rounds will end themselves as someone who has a gun and wants to use it find people, or the objective. Yes, sometimes rounds are slowed down by someone not knowing the map, but that's normal for ANY new map, and as long as it doesn't get played so people can learn it, it WILL be a new map. The biggest problem I've seen is the people who so hate the map and just don't feel like learning it. On that point, we used to have people complaining about thunder being too big and confusing whenever the map came up, and now those same people enjoy that map.

As for what people are supposed to do, THAT is a point up for SO much debate anyway. Heck, I disagree with the point of WCS as you see it. Everyone has their own opinions. Many people, myself included feel that the point is to level up all the races so you can find what you enjoy, as well as to get that sense of accomplishment. Some people, such as you and Zack, find a race(s) you like and play those and ignore many races. Some people quit once they've maxed everything, some people continue playing. Some people play for themselves, some people play for the team, some people play to dick around with other people. Some people want a fair game, some want to stack the teams so they will win, and some people don't really care. Some people play to interact with other players, some come in and mute the server. Hopefully the main purpose of the server is to have fun, and as people enjoy this map, Admins included, this map would therefore NOT stop the purpose of the server.

Now for some random points. Basically, I agree that this should be removed from the regular rotation, but want to know what makes it so bad for WCS. I enjoy it being on the rotation currently, so we have more things to balance out the duplicate maps. 3 versions of office, 2 of assault, 2 of italy, 2 of inferno, 3 generic rats maps, "3" dust2, because a vote for 4thstreet is a vote for a crash, and that leads to dust2, 2 of cbble. Variety is the spice of life, and that list there does not lead to variety. Finally, at least in the past 3 months, every match that I've been in, that's gone to at least the first vote on this and Nightmare and it's other removed brothers has been a good game all around.

maynard
10-02-2011, 12:59 PM
what you talking about? I lvl all the races. and if you wana play for yourself or just fuck around you're screwing your team over and not playing as it's intended 2 be played... which also generally leads 2 the losing team qq'ing that team aren't fair... but not ever willing 2 actually do anything about the fact they are losing... but that's a diff matter all together. people only want 2 play blahh 90% of the time 2 explore... and this isn't a exploration server.. it's competitive CSS with races, the second you land on a map like that all seriousness goes out the window. ive seen I think once or twice where the server didn't RTV it, or have half the people just leave cause they were pissed off they were on a map like that...

end result, this map has already been removed from the server once, it was added back on by accident along with others when we switched 2 SM... so in short.. it shouldn't be on the server as it's already been removed from it once.

brett friggin favre
10-02-2011, 02:42 PM
the point of playing WCS is 2 pick a race, and lvl it and become better with it... not make the entire server go on pause for 30-40 minutes 2 run around and explore a map... it's just stupid. this map does not belong on the server as it completely stops the purpose of the server and what people want 2 do.

well maybe that's the point of playing to you. personally i play wcs just cuz it's more fun than regular cs. i play it simply to have fun, with no aim of being better at anything. blahhhh is a fun map to me because i don't take it seriously. you just need to realize that we dont all play stuff for the same reasons you do, so some people may like different things than you. when i play blah, maybe 4-5 people will leave but the server usually stays at whatever volume it was at, and there's a lot of mic activity, lots of laughs all around, and everyone who plays and gives it a chance has fun with it. those who take the game seriously leave, and those who have fun stay.

maynard
10-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Lol if you really wana argue that's not the point, feel free 2 reset all your races skills than and not lvl Lol...

brett friggin favre
10-02-2011, 03:13 PM
Lol if you really wana argue that's not the point, feel free 2 reset all your races skills than and not lvl Lol...

youre missing my point. im saying that the point of playing wcs for me is to have fun. playing with different races is fun, being a high level in those races is fun, but ultimately the point for me isn't to be the best with a race or anything...i just wanna have fun, and blahhhh is a very fun map to play on.

Blackmage
10-02-2011, 03:13 PM
"I lvl all the races." Recently, both your play, and your words, disagree with that. You play Eye Ra and Molecule and maybe Shadow Hunter. You've said that you don't care about leveling them all up since you lost all your old data. If there is some other conclusion I should have reached, so be it.

As for "not playing as it's intended 2 be played", I'll just say you're wrong about that. It's different for every person, it's called an opinion. I can quote myself, and now Brett, if you want more on this. I could ask Zack to post, there are PLENTY of

Then there's "people only want 2 play blahh 90% of the time 2 explore". Unless you can read minds, this is a bad statement. Other good reasons to vote for it: it's forbidden, it's hated(to troll), it's different, you don't want to vote for overplayed maps, you want to play an extremely underplayed map, you like Nipper maps, ECT, ECT.

"the second you land on a map like that all seriousness goes out the window." This is the fault of the players, not the map. They see "hey, this could be silly" and play silly. This can, and does, happen on most/all maps.

"ive seen I think once or twice where the server didn't RTV it, or have half the people just leave cause they were pissed off they were on a map like that..." First off, out of how many times playing the map? Once or twice out of four or five wouldn't be that bad, considering people come into it with preset notions that this shouldn't be played. So, how often do you see it get voted for? Also, we lose a larger percentage of the server more consistently on Port, and, as I said before, the same thing used to happen to Thunder, but people's notion on that map has changed. People not feeling like learning how to play on a map or against a certain play style does not mean it's a bad map, just, again, bad players.

"it shouldn't be on the server as it's already been removed from it once." Ok, so now you're saying we should keep crackhouse off? It was removed TWICE now, so that means Crackhouse is GOD AWFUL for WCS, right? That, my good sir, is lousy logic, and you know it. I'm just asking for a good "Reason: Give an explanation as to why we should listen to you". Since the main points seem to be it was removed (see: crackhouse) and it clears the server (see: port), I just want to know what makes it removable in other's minds. I know what it does in mine, but I'm not the one requesting the removal.

And again, I'm not asking to keep it in the main rotation, just in the Admin menu, so if they feel like it, it's there.

maynard
10-02-2011, 03:33 PM
youre missing my point. im saying that the point of playing wcs for me is to have fun. playing with different races is fun, being a high level in those races is fun, but ultimately the point for me isn't to be the best with a race or anything...i just wanna have fun, and blahhhh is a very fun map to play on.

well of course the point is 2 have fun, it's a game...:wtg: but you obviously and generally will have more fun if you're doing half decent... which involves lvling races... it's also why we have this system of counter races and all that...


@mage

last I checked I don't have 2 play a race 2 lvl it, I play a race I'm good with, make bank, and dump the money into a race I wana lvl... I lvl races quicker by playing this way, and it's how ive ALWAYS played WCS. I damn near never play a race and lvl it up just by playing it, it goes far faster when you make money on a race you're actually good with and just dump it... so obviously my actions and words don't disagree cause 1 that's literally what ive always done in WCS and 2 it works.

no, I'm saying when we went 2 SM the maps got all fucked and that's the ONLY reason it's back on the server as it was already requested for removal, and removed. if you read what I said you would have been able 2 clearly figure that out... and there's nothing wrong with crackhouse as it's a ok sized house, has lots of hiding spots, an objective and warding is not allowed by any means on it. the rounds quite often play out 2 the same time length as they would on office and given it's 1 of the most loved maps in the servers history... I see no problem with it.

and no, I'm not wrong about that.. that is exactly how the server was set up 2 be played... pick races, lvl them, get better races, be more valuable and able 2 help and offer more for your team.... if you don't wana play that way go for it, but that's how the server has been set up, it's why we have rules that govern the races and it's why we have counter races strategically set through the lvl's 2 counter others...


if it's removed from the vote list, I'm happy... as it will only end up being playing late at night when ppl are messed up and it's requested.

acolyte_to_jippity
10-02-2011, 04:21 PM
crackhouse was not removed. when we changed to SM, the map list derped.

just like how this map was "re added", crackhouse was "removed"

Blackmage
10-02-2011, 05:22 PM
First, I will apologize to maynard, like I said, recently, you said you gave up on ranks, which in my mind means you've given up on leveling the other races. You've only been playing the races you're good at, we agree on that, but I went by the game on prodigy when we last played, where if you bought tomes or even changed off of Mol, you did it all in team chat, which I didn't consider given you changed onto Mol using general chat. So sorry for jumping to conclusions.

On the point of the server and opinions, we will have to agree to disagree, because certain rules and lack thereof say the exact opposite thing of what you're saying. And if we're going to discuss it, I can think of better places to do that.

Aco:

So, only removed one on purpose:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5514-Bring-back-cs_crackhouse

Chikun
10-02-2011, 10:00 PM
I like eye candy maps.

acolyte_to_jippity
10-03-2011, 07:16 AM
First, I will apologize to maynard, like I said, recently, you said you gave up on ranks, which in my mind means you've given up on leveling the other races. You've only been playing the races you're good at, we agree on that, but I went by the game on prodigy when we last played, where if you bought tomes or even changed off of Mol, you did it all in team chat, which I didn't consider given you changed onto Mol using general chat. So sorry for jumping to conclusions.

On the point of the server and opinions, we will have to agree to disagree, because certain rules and lack thereof say the exact opposite thing of what you're saying. And if we're going to discuss it, I can think of better places to do that.

Aco:

So, only removed one on purpose:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5514-Bring-back-cs_crackhouse

i do believe zero never said he removed it. at the time of that thread, we didn't know that the SM change had screwed up the maplist. thus, blade assumed that it had been manually removed, when it hadn't.

ZERO
10-28-2011, 04:59 PM
removed from rotation but admins should still be able to select it.