Zombie Knife Kill Exploit

[BladeTwinSwords]

Let this be known. On maps such as predator and stargate. Glitching the respawn system to gain massive numbers of free human kills is considered an exploit of the map and is considered bannable. I will be posting a demo to provide an example of this glitch. The tic is at 48000.

You know. It just really makes me sick to my stomach to see not only players but ADMINS exploit this glitch for several hours and yet NEVER report it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WV1XENM6

[Steamer]

This indeed made me lose respect for said people.

Horrible.

[NakedSaturday]

Based on the gravity of the position I have placed myself, I wish to relinquish my rights to administrate in your community, as I have no doubt lost much of the respect and trust of my fellow admins and do not wish to tarnish this community further through my impulsive actions. I also request that I be removed from all stats on all servers since I no longer deserve what I have gain through ill means. I apologize for any shadows I have cast onto this community and am prepared to graciously accept any punishment it deems fit.

[maynard]

................ reviewing demos:banghead:

[maynard]

fucking disgusted with the both of you... you were and have been over the past few days abusing/exploiting the server and nakeds admin powers 2 cheat your way up the ranking system... phsyco stats clearly shows this. what really pisses me off though was seeing you guys play the game of "oh sorry blade, we can't hear you, your mic must be fucked" bullshit as he called you out.
........

you're both perma band till zero can make a ruling. lvl/rank farming is just something you don't do....

[Penis シ]

This is obvious abuse.

That being said; if my word from gg is worth anything this is NOT what I see to be the type of malicious abuse that should break anyone from our community.

Yes, I do believe that a stat reset is in order, I believe that a selective power strip should be considered before damning him as a member of the community. He made a mistake and seems to be deep in regret of said mistake, which makes me think that his mistake is something that should be punished with a keen paddle as opposed to him being banished and hated for this.

I care about my stats on gg, and if someone were to revive me just to kill me and level, I'd be a bit peeved, but it doesn't seem to be as malicious as that, he saw a creative way to abuse as fun and maybe it would be for a few people, but I think that we should look at the intentions too.

EDIT:
After reading maynard's reaction, I'm led to believe that this was not an isolated incident. That factors in and shakes my previous opinion (mentioned above) but I do think a level head is in order to handle a situation like this.

[maynard]

I just can't believe we had an admin doing this....

[Penis シ]

And I understand that, Maynard. But at the same time, this is human nature, there are a LOT of people that do not know how to handle power. But from a member's perspective, I also see someone that was just like us that couldn't handle the step up in the manner this community expects. His actions are his fault, his nature is not. I think we've learned a HUGE lesson about him, I think that we also have an opportunity to save the child in a sense.


Just to be clear, I don't think he should ever hold admin in this community again. I don't think he should keep his stats. I don't think he should be able to continue playing tomorrow as if nothing happened, but I also don't think that he deserves, in this incident, to be shoved out of the community altogether.

[Steamer]

According to the psycho stats both Ness and Saturday have achieved a massive jump in skill points for the past 2 days.

Here are a few pieces of the manipulation....

Ness -
Sessions:
2011-08-05 @ 23:33 - 00:44 ze_stargate_escape_v8 01:11:36 (kills)111 (deaths)14 0 0.00% 28.64% 4082.86 Diff: +211.66
2011-08-05 @ 21:46 - 22:57 ze_predator_ultimate_v2 01:10:22 (kills)173 (deaths)2 0 0.00% 49.39% 3871.20 Diff: +342.57

Saturday -
Sessions:
2011-08-05 @ 15:13 - 01:50 zm_roy_highway 10:36:48 (kills)809 (deaths)48 5 0.62% 31.68% 9100.03 Diff: +1015.41

ze_stargate_escape_v8 (kills total)311 0 22.21 2.74 6 29 01:53:23 2011-08-06
ze_predator_ultimate_v2 (kills total)272 0 4.53 0.56 16 126 08:08:59 2011-08-05

These stats are just flat out ridiculous. Both knowing completely what they did and continuing to do so just isn't right. This was less to do with glitch and more to do with straight up admins abuse and stat manipulation. There is no excuse for this at all.

[maynard]

theres has been a lot who don't know how 2 handle power that is no excuse. he failed as an admin, tried 2 hide it and above all was supporting it 2 those who weren't even admin..... he's a snake, clearly can't be trusted and should be removed from the community. even he said that he's leaving and is aware how fucked up what he did was, so why you're tyring 2 defend it is beyond me.

you can't even try and claim the average person anything... cause we have a shit ton of admins and he's the only 1 pulling this shit. I don't deny we have other admins who are a pain in the ass and do abuse... but 2 abuse and exploit certain maps and glitches 2 move up the ranking system are 2 diff things, and it's a complete joke.
there's many who spend a shit load of their time working for proper rankings.... and these clowns wana just cheat there way up the system? Fuck that...

Zero JUST made a post in WCS about how lvl farming will not be tolerated.... it's not diff on any other server... cheating your way up the ranking is beyond not tolerated... and literally 1 of the worst things you can do in this community

[Penis シ]

Oh I agree with you, that he's a fucked up person, Maynard. When I posted those, I was, first, under the false belief that this was an isolated incident, second, under the belief that he was apologetic for his actions.

Seeing those stat jumps, and knowing, now that he did it like that, well that pisses me off too. I've worked long and hard on my gg stats, even took a screenshot when a 5 game winning streak took me to 5th place and made a thread about it. If someone in gg were to do something similar, I'd be unbelievably pissed.

And with that, I retract my defense. I was wrong about the facts and this guy is scum.

[NakedSaturday]

I never expressed that I wish to leave this community, I only stated that based on the actions I had taken through the use of my admin powers that I would be relinquishing them as to prevent myself from further mishaps. I would also like to state that this exploit was discovered on the day in question and had never been used prior. I would also like to clarify with maynard that i could not in fact hear most of what blade was saying, through no fault of his mic, but because of the server in general, as it appears the demo does not support this claim, you may feel free to ask anyone who regularly plays in that server that at any given time there are instances where some people can not clearly hear others as the audio stream becomes choppy and incoherent, hence why on multiple occasions while blade was trying to explain to me the situation I was asking him to type it out.

[Evil]

Why do so many people care about stats? They seriously don't mean anything. They certainly don't mean your the best player in the world/server or something. In my opinion, stats are just worthless and pointless. But, in the other hand, some people actually care about stats, which is fine because then there can be some competition. But when someone takes competition and just takes it way to fucking seriously, it just ruins the fun part of the game. Just giving my thoughts.

[NLA]

Morning 'gents.

I'm a little offended you guys would outright permban me without checking on my side of this sordid tale.

I wasn't even aware this was a major issue. I joined during that map with the daft punk sounds (NOT predator as psychostats states, because psychostats doesn't always immediately apply points during the current game) and Naked mentioned that he had been earning a shitpile of points from kills, I asked him how he was doing it and what map, and he mentioned that Hey! Look! There's an AFK over there! Check it out, Ness! Go knife 'em! and so I did, and then a large number of points were obtained not just by myself but probably 6-7 other people that aren't mentioned in the OP post. It didn't really occur to me that this wasn't OK.. I wasn't really thinking. I had just taken a final for one of my summer courses and I was a bit burnt out. A minute or so after the orgy of zombie point gathering, Naked explained that he had the power to change players from zombie to human at will. Which means these are admin-related abuses, not map glitches or player exploits. I caused none of this. Then he said that he only tried this sort of stuff out on AFK's and that he was doing pretty well rank-wise with this system.

We went to Predator, Naked did the same thing. I didn't play much in Predator because hl2.exe kept crashing (:banghead:), but I remember spec'ing and seeing Naked obviously switch zombies to human in the player cage towards the end of the map resulting in another 6-7 person orgy of zombie point gathering. I wasn't involved in this one I think. Like I said, the points that show up in Psychostats for this map were actually obtained in the previous map and applied during this map. Then we went to stargate escape, I played normally for a while, Naked did the same thing again on one of the AFK's, Blade showed up, party ended.

I'd also like to point out that before playing with Saturday yesterday that I wasn't even aware this sort of exploitation could be done or was possible. It was all news to me when Naked mentioned it. I was basically a naive participant in all of this.


I would also like to clarify with maynard that i could not in fact hear most of what blade was saying, through no fault of his mic, but because of the server in general, as it appears the demo does not support this claim, you may feel free to ask anyone who regularly plays in that server that at any given time there are instances where some people can not clearly hear others as the audio stream becomes choppy and incoherent, hence why on multiple occasions while blade was trying to explain to me the situation I was asking him to type it out.

This is actually the truth, not sure why you guys are calling Naked out on this point. We all know the ZM server has issues, and if you check the server logs Naked did ask Blade to type things out, and I was having the same audio problem on my end.

And I'd like to go ahead and point out that you're all acting a bit butthurt over this. Calling us scum and snakes and horrible, terrible people, how we're lying that we couldn't hear Blade over mic, how we deserve to be permbanned etc. On the one hand you tell Naked to act like a better admin and have respect for the community and the system, and on the other hand you're forming a lynchmob and throwing tantrums over a relatively minor and easily reversible offense. I expect better from all of you. You have the logs right there of the point value changes over the day from psychostats, so just deduct the points that were obviously earned through exploitation and this whole debacle is settled.

I'm not sure about Naked, but I've been playing with you guys for years, and I even admin'd with you guys for a while. I never abused my admin powers when I had them (despite what a couple of forum threads may argue), and up until now I've never exploited the point system for psychostats in any way. I'd like to think I've been a good enough player for long enough that this mess -- which was not even directly caused by me -- can be amended and we can go back to the way things were. I'm a good player. Naked is a good player but maybe not the best admin. But it just seems so strange to me to permban good players.

And believe it or not, I did earn my pre-Naked rank of 49 entirely through legitimate kills as a player through casual, honest gameplay over a year or so, without exploits, and I'm kinda proud of that.

[maynard]

you should have reported what naked was doing, you didn't... and that makes you just as guilty as naked... and if blade didn't catch you guys in the act, you would most likely not even said anything. the second you saw what he was doing you should have said something, but ya didn't and you really only have yourself 2 blame. the fact you've been around for years only further hurts you given you know damn well what our community rules are and that what naked was doing is not allowed and just flat out wrong.

you were both band till I could figure the situation out, as I was taking in the many conversations I was having with people about the issue, and being shown evidence that clearly showed you guys cheating, I saw no reason for you guys 2 be on the server till things were sorted out. given naked has removed his tag and admits what he did was wrong and is giving up admin, I will remove the ban. I highly suggest not fucking around again as zero still needs 2 review this situation and any further abuse or problems caused will result in a boot up the ass.

I Was informed it's possible that you guys couldn't hear blade due 2 the server, so ill give you guys the benefit of the doubt on that 1.... It's still complete BS what you guys were doing, but I wont hold the voice thing over your heads.

[Evil]

There was also another admin doing the same thing that Saturday was doing yesterday......... :banghead:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

never mind about this entire post. i was still under the impression it was a glitch, and not just him switching peoples's teams.

[Evil]

evil, are you talking about sinsanity?nope. not him.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

nope. not him.

well then, who?

it's normally more helpful if you post the name, so we can watch for it

[Evil]

well then, who?

it's normally more helpful if you post the name, so we can watch for itChris Young. He was doing it with Saturday as well. He did it yesterday, when he found out from Saturday.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

i smelll beeef!!

http://th166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/V46N3R/th_Jackson_popcorn.gif

[ZERO]

I will need to go though the logs and see which admins were doing this. I will be removing the ability to switch teams on the zm server to prevent this sort of abuse in the future. As this was quite widespread I will only be doing stat resets and not bans for all the players involved.

I will start to get updates out later tonight.

This will be moved to the admin abuse section.

[ZERO]

No players stats other than the admins will be reset. This is becuase they did not have control over it, only the admins did. For the players they all had an equal random opportunity to gain rank during the time of the abuse. They also can not be blamed for taking advantage of something an admin was doing.

[ZERO]

Ok, I ultimately found evidence of 2 admins that were doing this:

First is Naked Saturday ibis.a STEAM_0:0:24604477 of who there is already evidence and whom has confessed.

Second is Sinsanity ibis.a STEAM_0:0:18394072 of who's evidence is below:


L 07/31/2011 - 20:54:44: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chinoindio<1048><STEAM_0:0:5261943><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 20:54:59: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 20:55:55: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:01:26: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:02:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "done<1090><STEAM_0:1:26597319><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:11: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:07:22: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:08:13: [rconbridge.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" [SM] Gravity set to "800"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:08:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Spider<1110><STEAM_0:0:34048886><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:10:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "J.A.L.<1115><STEAM_0:0:16095462><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:11:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Superdeduper<1117><STEAM_0:1:40032796><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:13:10: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "done<1090><STEAM_0:1:26597319><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:13:15: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "eatinghalalfood<1121><STEAM_0:0:8699369><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:08: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "J.A.L.<1115><STEAM_0:0:16095462><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:14: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jeffcabel<1033><STEAM_0:0:7142019><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:24: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jimmay<1128><STEAM_0:1:1897237><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:37: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "eatinghalalfood<1121><STEAM_0:0:8699369><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:15:57: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "^1..::^8Disaster^7Soldier^1::.<1122><STEAM_0:0:35657834><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:08: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:14: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chinoindio<1048><STEAM_0:0:5261943><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SaintDogg<1129><STEAM_0:1:33456434><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:19:27: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Coco_man [The Family]<1135><STEAM_0:0:29913456><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:20:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "jimmay<1128><STEAM_0:1:1897237><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:20:55: [playercommands.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" slayed "Superdeduper<1117><STEAM_0:1:40032796><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:21:03: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Wuman<743><STEAM_0:0:33426086><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:22:01: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Madarao<1137><STEAM_0:1:41097635><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:22:07: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:23:03: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Zombies and Weed<1142><STEAM_0:0:11622629><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:23:58: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "macd1102<1144><STEAM_0:1:5066699><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:32: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:37: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[LGL] moch<1092><STEAM_0:1:19563045><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Zombies and Weed<1142><STEAM_0:0:11622629><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:25:51: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Shake Well B4 Using<1141><STEAM_0:0:28559987><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:26:06: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Keep Faith<1150><STEAM_0:1:39483534><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:27:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Oonyx<1151><STEAM_0:1:20120445><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:31: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Arragon<1154><STEAM_0:1:26789207><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sat thu vo tinh<1068><STEAM_0:1:27191413><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "^1..::^8Disaster^7Soldier^1::.<1122><STEAM_0:0:35657834><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:54: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Evil<1069><STEAM_0:1:38974523><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 21:28:59: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><722><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "capri<1155><STEAM_0:1:25300987><>"


L 07/31/2011 - 22:53:18: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "dinoso<81><STEAM_0:1:5680699><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:55:09: [playercommands.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" slayed "NOBODY<65><STEAM_0:0:19549505><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:55:42: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Ironhide<86><STEAM_0:1:37105987><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:56:53: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Time<88><STEAM_0:0:12965683><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 22:58:12: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "CS: 霸龙<89><STEAM_0:0:1372247><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:13: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text swapteam sin)
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:20: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:29: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "CS: 霸龙<89><STEAM_0:0:1372247><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:00:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Thunder Bunny<33><STEAM_0:1:2658645><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<85><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:41: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:05:46: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Pizza Pizza<83><STEAM_0:0:2244483><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:10:51: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "[EcG-S] Wu-Shu (GO EAGLES!)<78><STEAM_0:0:11811028><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:12:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nny156<102><STEAM_0:0:10292130><>"
L 07/31/2011 - 23:14:17: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><3><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Ringmaster037<104><STEAM_0:1:23089626><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 18:42:47: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><76><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<5><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:46:52: [funvotes.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" initiated an alltalk vote.
L 08/01/2011 - 21:47:24: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text :P)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:47:51: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text I go way back on this server)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:26: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Yes)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:38: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text that depends)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:48:51: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text do you ALL want to get to that level?)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:24: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "MercFox1<348><STEAM_0:0:1389582><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:39: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Ultimate always crashes the servewr :/)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:49:52: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text I've done it...twice)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:50:08: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Normal right now?)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:50:57: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SPAWN<326><STEAM_0:1:17570057><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:51:50: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Be sure to extend map if you'd like :)_)
L 08/01/2011 - 21:53:02: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "xPuRpX<387><STEAM_0:0:11193019><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:22: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "OSS.ROID<274><STEAM_0:0:20610827><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:27: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:55:33: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "__Reign<358><STEAM_0:0:18554848><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:19: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "P-Treeze<395><STEAM_0:1:9592278><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:25: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nilbog [DG]<393><STEAM_0:1:2412486><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:56:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Striders So Fly<396><STEAM_0:0:24353667><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:10: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "t-rannosaurus<392><STEAM_0:1:37659144><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:38: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text You're not a zombie :))
L 08/01/2011 - 21:57:49: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "gunsmoke<399><STEAM_0:1:4913621><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 21:59:21: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "BiGDADDYREAPER<398><STEAM_0:0:17566220><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:00:18: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Good luck :D)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:26: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Relax please :))
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:36: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:44: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "SPAWN<326><STEAM_0:1:17570057><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:02:50: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "chele<342><STEAM_0:0:23506287><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:03:46: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Someone didnt go left to get other gun)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:05:19: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text BB med)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:05:38: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "gtbusa2002<411><STEAM_0:0:5594379><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:06:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "WetOddDog<409><STEAM_0:0:28837651><>"
L 08/01/2011 - 22:06:57: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text Go go go!)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:08:27: [basechat.smx] Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><> triggered sm_say (text you hit me :P)
L 08/01/2011 - 22:08:56: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><371><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "nilbog [DG]<418><STEAM_0:1:2412486><>"



L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:28: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Vode<376><STEAM_0:0:19691003><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:35: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "russdv<355><STEAM_0:0:10626700><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:24:45: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Elfen_Lied<249><STEAM_0:0:8974206><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:15: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "ҜįckЪØx20<339><STEAM_0:0:31619465><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:19: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "Cliff<306><STEAM_0:0:1044286><>"
L 08/02/2011 - 19:25:23: [swapteam.smx] "Sinsanity <ibis.a><348><STEAM_0:0:18394072><>" swapteamed "benbongo16<247><STEAM_0:0:39402899><>"

A demo of one incident is also attached. For now players are unbanned. I will be removing the stats from these two players tonight, to give time for any addational evidence ect before closing this case.

[lt.rambo]

Sinsanity why in the fuck would you do this? I cannot believe you would do such shit that puts me and other admins in such disgrace. Naked you had it coming but Sinsanity, i helped you get into adminship and you abused the shit out of it. You deserve your punishment to the full extent.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

that's bullshit. you should reset anyone who took part

[Evil]

Yeah ZERO, why does the server have a command like that?

[ZERO]

Here is the way I see it. Basically the security at the bank started handing out money from the vault of course everyone is going to line up to have some. You can not really blame them it is the guards who are at fault. This is why I am not going to punish the players. In addition there is no way to ensure that I can track down every single player that gained an advantage from this. It is not fair to punish some of the players but not all of them. It also is not fair to punish players who may have done nothing wrong other than be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The people who had control over the situation and created the situation was the admins. In the past when admins gave out money on wcs the players did not have level resets but the admins involved did. Thus there already is prior cases involving this sort of incident where admins do something that gains themselves and others an advantage where as only the admins were punished.

Now on the other hand if it can be proven that a particular group of players was conspiring with admins to do this than it is reasonable for them to be punished as well.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

i still vote we ban em.

disgrace and shame upon the ibis adminships.. back in the day it would of been wahbooom and their gone.

[Steamer]

Slap in the face.

Slap on their wrist.

The 2 caught red handed should have at least not gotten off so easy. Ness SHOULD have his stats reset for at least yesterday. It was already stated he conspired with Saturday to do so.
The other way to see it is if those people where still taking the "free" money they would also have repercussions from law enforcement knowingly taking said stolen money.

As for Sinsanity looks like he swapped teams to take everyone to a more difficult level on the map. Which most everyone usually agrees with. His stats page doesn't really show rank manipulation.

[ZERO]

That is why I am not doing anything to him yet until I have a chance to review the actual demo. More punishments may be dealt out as more details come to light and I am able to review everything. This will occur mostly tomorrow.

[Nemesis]

Here is the way I see it. Basically the security at the bank started handing out money from the vault of course everyone is going to line up to have some. You can not really blame them it is the guards who are at fault. This is why I am not going to punish the players. In addition there is no way to ensure that I can track down every single player that gained an advantage from this. It is not fair to punish some of the players but not all of them. It also is not fair to punish players who may have done nothing wrong other than be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The people who had control over the situation and created the situation was the admins. In the past when admins gave out money on wcs the players did not have level resets but the admins involved did. Thus there already is prior cases involving this sort of incident where admins do something that gains themselves and others an advantage where as only the admins were punished.

Now on the other hand if it can be proven that a particular group of players was conspiring with admins to do this than it is reasonable for them to be punished as well.

bad analogy, because yes, those people would still be charged, because they SHOULD know that it is not right to do. Willful Ignorance does not excuse breaking the law, but if it excuses breaking the rules here then it's your call.

[ZERO]

The two admins who were causing this have had there stats history removed.

[legion]

Stupid fucking admins now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM

[Steamer]

Fucking lol.

[Pit_Viper1]

o.O LMAO

[RofLoLmao]

Disappointed in you Naked.... :banghead:

[Joker]

Stupid fucking admins now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM
LMFAO omfg that's great, good find legion.

P.S. that will be the only time I will compliment you so don't take it for granted...........:smirk: