Steamer

[Kamikazii]

Admin's INGAME name: Steamer <ibis.a> (I don't have a section of text to copy and past the special character from)
You're INGAME name: Kamikazii <ibis.a>
Server: Zombie MOD+ IBISGaming.com
Map:zm_churchofmint
Date & Time: approx 10:20-10:30 PM EST 02FEB2012

How did he/she abuse:
Steamer slayed someone for cade breaking that he was nowhere near (he had just gotten tagged, him and his roommate certainly built a terrible cade, but he did not cade break) I tried to say he got the wrong person because there were enough people there he might have just made a typo. Steamer then gagged me, I ungagged myself and said wtf - tried to again state he slayed the wrong person and that it wasn't a cade breaker, he kicked me, I came back onto the server and was immediately gagged, I ungagged myself and again asked wtf, there were also others in the couple seconds before he banned me asking why I had gotten kicked, then I was banned. Still not sure what the hell its all about, no excuse was given when I got banned and I was in no way shape or form abusing admin, but steamer definitely is.

[Steamer]

Get your facts right. I was in the cade with Review or w/e the hell his name is when it was broke to shit. Get the demo and post proper. Have fun looking like a dumb fuck. If you didn't see it all, shut the fuck up and keep quite. I was there, I can handle shit myself, and I sure in the hell don't need you of all people questioning me about what I do. You already have legit abuse under your belt. Excuse was, shut the hell up and mind your own damn business and you didn't. Not after the gag, the kick, or the next gag. To even get you to shut your fucking mouth banning you for the less then 10 minutes was all that was left to do. I never once abused admin, don't plan too, and especially didn't in this case. No demo no proof, but I'll provide that for ya as well.

4854

Shall I wipe your ass with tick marks as well?

[maynard]

Post proof or im gonna close it

[Steamer]

Anyway, as you'll see in the demo, me and review are in the room, I go to cade up the bookshelf and the guy I banned for 10 minutes shot it in. After I go out to fix it, the guy slayed decides its a great idea to nade the hell out of the props. Tagged, go to spec, ban then slay. Thats when Kamikaze decides to chime in on what I did when "I didn't see it". If he would of just shut his mouth instead of thinking he knew exactly what went down, none of this would have taken place.

[Kamikazii]

ftp://208.43.70.234/auto-20120202-220136-zm_churchofmint_fix.dem
at 22:56 (tick 91771) myself and another zombie break into the cade of ReviewR and Sheldor the Conqueror - almost immediately after Sheldor is slain by Steamer, who says "cade breaking" in spite of the fact that no cade breaking occurred (i was immediately outside of the door ReviewR and Sheldor were cading and over the course of about a minute myself an another zombie were able to pull two objects out and get inside. Trying to tell steamer he must have slain the wrong person follows at around 23:20

[Steamer]

Go before that tick, from when me and Review enter the room. That will explain the rest, and why I went into spec and did what followed. You did not see the entire thing Kamikaze, or you just do not know the rules. The cade was mine. The first guy had no right to break the bookcase, and Sheldor had no right to nade the props. Trying to tell me I slayed the wrong person when I in-fact slayed the right person is stupid. Continuing to argue about it was even more stupid. Higher ups can decide the rest. Here is a section of the rules for ya.

See:

Taking props forcefully from another persons cade without consent is prohibited
Attempting to destroy a barricade with regardless of intent:
To get into the users barricade
To get out of the users barricade
Throwing a grenade at the users barricade to spite them, or for personal entertainment. (This does not include accidental grenades; punishment will be left up to the admin to decide)

[Kamikazii]

I checked before it and you are correct, though you could have simply addressed what I said without gagging me, or answered wtf i was being gagged/kicked for at any point rather than enacting punishment without the slightest explanation as to why. For that matter, if delayed punishments are allowed after entering spec and watching the person (seeing nothing new after entering spectator mode), as are punishments for people arguing with admins without a need to give an explaination - why the hell am I being sanctioned? You did the exact same thing I did to get my admin access restricted and while yes, an explanation would be appreciated prior to having been gagged/kicked/gagged/banned (or at any point prior to one of those punishments) even if it's not required this is a damn double standard.

[Steamer]

I tried to explain, I gagged you to explain it further and you failed to take the explanation. I asked you not to ungag yourself to explain further again and you did not listen at all. I do not have patience for bullshit. The punishment was not delayed, as I was trying to fix the shit before I was tagged. After I was tagged I then went into spec to do what I was going to do anyway. I did not do nor have ever done the exact thing you have. Your situation is completely different from anything I have done and should not even be compared.

[Kamikazii]

My admin abuse case stemmed from punishing someone in a delayed fashion after going into spec (about as delayed as this) and then punishing someone for arguing with me (who wasn't even an admin) about why someone else was punished. It's actually a bit worse in your case because I was simply suggesting you typed the wrong name as you didn't appear to be anywhere near it, as a fellow admin, and in my case it was a player who had been running his mouth for several games going off claiming it was admin abuse.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

My admin abuse case stemmed from punishing someone in a delayed fashion after going into spec (about as delayed as this) and then punishing someone for arguing with me (who wasn't even an admin) about why someone else was punished. It's actually a bit worse in your case because I was simply suggesting you typed the wrong name as you didn't appear to be anywhere near it, as a fellow admin, and in my case it was a player who had been running his mouth for several games going off claiming it was admin abuse.

and also arguing about the privolages you got, fucking w/ gravity, slapping random people, and various other things

[Steamer]

Delayed or however you may see it, it was still in round, and the same would of happened be it I fixed my cade or not. Your case was more involved than just that blinding and slay. If Zero found the need to pull your logs and investigate himself and immediately restrict your admin, which doesn't happen very often, something is quite wrong. In my case I am an admin who has no prior abuse, and definitely does not need to waste time arguing with one who does. Also here is Zero's words regarding yourself.

"Also admins that are on probation can have admin commands used on them by all non probation admins. So ANY ADMIN CAN FORCE HIM TO FOLLOW THE RULES."

That little bit means I can in-fact use commands on you to enforce rules. In this case, I interpreted not just your questioning and the fact there was no need for it, but also the fact you were ignoring an admin (ULA at that, [which also gives me the right to do so to keep not only my game play but others good]) as disrespect. IBIS is a dictatorship, not a democracy. The faster everyone learns that the easier it will be to get good gaming going steady.

[Kamikazii]

and also arguing about the privolages you got, fucking w/ gravity, slapping random people, and various other things

I didn't argue about privileges I got, I asked questions that fellow admins didn't answer about their use until after several attempts someone showed me where the rules were posted. I never once fucked with gravity and slapping/blinding/druging/slaying/kicking were all used when appropriate - INCLUDING how I dealt with the OP of the admin abuse report on me if this thread is an accurate depiction of the rules concerning the case.

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Delayed or however you may see it, it was still in round, and the same would of happened be it I fixed my cade or not.
Delayed punishments of people don't bother me, however given my admin abuse case it seems to be very clearly against the rules, being the offense I committed.

Your case was more involved than just that blinding and slay. If Zero found the need to pull your logs and investigate himself and immediately restrict your admin, which doesn't happen very often, something is quite wrong. In my case I am an admin who has no prior abuse, and definitely does not need to waste time arguing with one who does.
If you mass banned everyone in the server tonight it would still be the first offense and I doubt prior record would matter - my offense was doing exactly what you did tonight, there is no distinction between us in that regard aside from the fact that I punished someone who was being belligerent about it (and told him to stop), and you punished an admin offering a suggestion that perhaps you slayed the wrong person and didn't even pay the courtesy of explaining why. Repeatedly gagging, kicking and ultimately banning are not explanations - and for that matter you banned me IMMEDIATELY after I said I was going to report abuse - still not having an explanation as to why I was being repeatedly gagged or kicked other than you saying "seriously" after I ungagged myself to ask what the hell you did it for - at that point no longer concerned with your seemingly uncalled for slaying of a player, but for your abuse directed at me - I didn't even get the slightest explaination until reading the unban message after opening this thread (there was no message in the ban other than "banned from server") and seeing it was for ungagging myself, something that was enacted without provocation to start.

[Steamer]

At what point did you not understand to shut up and listen. I tried to explain it all to you, lost my patience, gagged you to explain, yet you still did not want to listen. When a higher admin "punishes" you to force you to listen to an explanation, you have no right to reverse it at all. You shut the fuck up for 5 damn minutes and hear it out. If clan would have done the same to me I would have took the gag and heard them out. You should not have reversed the 5 minute gag in the first place (which by you doing so was against rules) and you would have gotten the explanation. After the kick and another gag, you STILL did not get the point. I then banned you so I didnt have to deal with you and I could play my game. Quite honestly, I didn't even see the im reporting abuse shit, nor did I care. If you looked further in the demo, you can clearly see were someone said something and I reply'ed he can take it to forums, I'm above him. Anyone that knows me enough knows damn well I don't deal with this kind of stupid shit in game nor do I have any type of patience for it, not from only old members, but new ones alike. It is yours and everyone elses job to know the rules, mine to enforce them. Quite honestly you also caught me on a day where my patience was running very thin to begin with and wanted no part in wasting what little time I had left to game arguing with someone questioning me when I know the rules, punishments, and exactly what I'm doing. I wouldn't be in the position I am in this community if it wern't so. As much as you want to argue it and put abuse on me, honestly, there was none at all in my eyes and doubt so in others. Could I have been a bit more patient? Possibly. Did I need to be? No.

[Kamikazii]

At what point did you not understand to shut up and listen. I tried to explain it all to you, lost my patience, gagged you to explain, yet you still did not want to listen. When a higher admin "punishes" you to force you to listen to an explanation, you have no right to reverse it at all. You shut the fuck up for 5 damn minutes and hear it out. If clan would have done the same to me I would have took the gag and heard them out. You should not have reversed the 5 minute gag in the first place (which by you doing so was against rules) and you would have gotten the explanation. After the kick and another gag, you STILL did not get the point. I then banned you so I didnt have to deal with you and I could play my game. Quite honestly, I didn't even see the im reporting abuse shit, nor did I care. If you looked further in the demo, you can clearly see were someone said something and I reply'ed he can take it to forums, I'm above him. Anyone that knows me enough knows damn well I don't deal with this kind of stupid shit in game nor do I have any type of patience for it, not from only old members, but new ones alike. It is yours and everyone elses job to know the rules, mine to enforce them. Quite honestly you also caught me on a day where my patience was running very thin to begin with and wanted no part in wasting what little time I had left to game arguing with someone questioning me when I know the rules, punishments, and exactly what I'm doing. I wouldn't be in the position I am in this community if it wern't so. As much as you want to argue it and put abuse on me, honestly, there was none at all in my eyes and doubt so in others. Could I have been a bit more patient? Possibly. Did I need to be? No.
I want my admin rights back - this is ridiculous - I was more lenient and had more patience to explain to someone WHY they were being punished than you were and I got privileges revoked for it. I didn't get so much as a warning (for offering a fucking suggestion that you might have typed the wrong name as the explanation you gave to the guy you slayed didn't fit what was visible in the prior couple minutes of me working to break into his cade as a zombie), and no, over the several minutes of being in the game after the initial gag before the ban you did not once explain why the hell I was gagged or kicked or answer the initial question - just gag-kick-gag-ban.

[TheFallen927]

Did you even look at your log of admin commands you used from that abuse thread you got?

[Kamikazii]

Did you even look at your log of admin commands you used from that abuse thread you got?
I did, and the logs are entirely out of context without corresponding demos. Of the two demos attached:
Demo 1 for which the complaint was filed: you can clearly see a player questioning and insulting an admin and being punished for it (and for that matter only after several maps of inflammatory comments from the player).
Demo 2 regarding a ban: I have since spoken to a couple of admins about it and have come to understand that what appeared to be no-clipping was the result of shutting off parachutes at the start of ze_sorrento when the player was in the air - I shut off parachutes because it is a map that players abuse parachutes on every time to get at the secret boat, and I mistook the reduced gravity for no-clipping. I have since apologized to the player regarding this as I was in the wrong.

[maynard]

No abuse,

Steamer owned the cade, you admitted you were wrong in that claim and I could give 2 shits if steamer wanted 2 finish the round before acting on it. he doesn't need 2 stop mid round and handle it, there's nothing wrong with him making sure the zombies don't get him till end of round.

there is 0 reason for you 2 reverse a ULA command on you. if you have an issue, report it, do not reverse what they do as it will only make things worse for yourself.