Jd^ | 08/02/2012 | 11:43 pm | steam_0:1:17175862

[roshill]

Name in Game: JD^
Steam-ID: STEAM_0:1:17175862
Where: gg_blue_arena
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:1:17175862&advType=steamid&Submit#

Reason for perma ban: Wall hacking Need help checking up on this demo. Plus he was screaming alot on the server which is why I had to mute him for that. Can some one review this. It seems like he was walling and need help from someone to back me up on this one. While everyone is watching this can someone spectate The Butcher as well.

Watch from tick 20000

Thank you,

[acolyte_to_jippity]

there's still no poll...

[roshill]

Omg that was quick. Sorry I was literally falling asleep while writing up the post.

[brett friggin favre]

also, PLEASE review the demo for yourself and find a few specific tick marks to watch. speeds up the whole process and nobody wants to sit here watching a whole map for a few good moments of info

[roshill]

There were alot of moments in the gameplay where he would follow the player through the wall and get HS after HS. 20000 Is where you should start watching it you'll see quite a few instances during the gameplay.

[brett friggin favre]

definitely looks like walls to me, pretty consistent

[Rosie]

I would say walls, and possibly aim assist as well. Butcher looked a little funny, but I didnt watch him the whole time.

[CYBER]

I would say walls, and possibly aim assist as well. Butcher looked a little funny, but I didnt watch him the whole time.Hush hush rosie! Butcher is my ban. Im working on it as we speak bcos i think he walls, but im getting a better demos cos i forgot to search the source tv demos before i slept-.-Ask asim bcos i was specing him yesterday, he sits in spec for half the map, joins after scout and so and gets godly hs around corners even when im stealthing. Ways prefires... Nways we'll get to that later.Im not gonna spam this guy's ban thread with, hopefully, anothers;)

[Steamer]

From what I watched of it and enough. Tick 14000, 19000 - 20000, blah blah blah

Also, Aim assist. 25000 one of em, all scattered. Hacks.

[JD^]

Can a higher ranked Admin please review this.

After being banned, I contacted Roshill and tried to ask why I was banned.
His response was due to wallhack.

My response:

My first account: a 17miller (joe030193)
second account: (joe030194)
third account:[email protected]

I have had 3 accounts. I've been playing on IBIS for well over 3 years. Some of the older members may know me, likes on cloud strife, leatha, and other admins who used to play from that time period.
I used to be accused of hacking when I played then, but stopped playing gungame as I started playing serious competition on UK servers, such as cssmixes.co.uk
And bemixes.co.uk (unfortunately the website closed down due to lack of funding).
The fact is, for the people who have reviewed the demo don't understand what they are posting about, in a non disrespectful manner.

An aim assist (otherwise known as a trigger bot) will shoot towards the head and INSTANTLY head shot a player within a certain region of being proportionate to the body.
A wallhacker, well we all know what that is.
From playing the maps for a long time, Used to be ranked one for a long time until Magical {be} started playing the gungame server, can anticipate where players will come due to game play. Notice how most rounds I go the same way, dependant on what gun I have. And so do most of the other players playing the game at the time. Therefore play becomes predictable.
If I were to aim assist it would look something more along the lines of this, an instant snap shot, where as mine, were prelonged and delayed, making sense that it was a movement of the mouse and not a predetermined movement by a form of hack. Not a very good video, but you can see how the video triggerbots to the head. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5cutV1Chc
Therefore proving the point that aim assist was not in use. Another other aimbot would of been obvious.

I would also like to put forth the point that roshill only watched for one map, at which the point he wasnt in spectate so was fully reliant upon source TV. Surely the correct thing to do as an admin would be to move to spectator and assess the situation properly?
Also, his final action was to be taken place after an amount of binds were said when i pressed certain keys, from games, where I had saved the quotation due to spelling mistakes being funny.

If an admin in a higher up position would like to assess this and consider it from both sides of the arguement and, an experienced admin be able to check into my past here at ibis,
Im sure you'll find more than conclusive evidence to show that I don't hack.

Yours sincerley,
Insanity as some may used to know me, and JD^ of more recent times.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

where do you see walls? 0 walls, you also have to remember that Gungames reg is different then in any other servers. That is why his strafe kills look kinda funny (you can spec any body and see the same thing, shotgun kills are most common in this regard). the only thing odd i see was how his rounds sprayed, sounded like he has fire on mouse up and down or something. Id keep an eye on him but i dont see any concrete evidence here.

[roshill]

Sorry guys it looked kinda iffy when I saw it. I am not that experienced and I only posted this to get second opinion. And + I didn't know it was Insanity. I will leave it upto you guys to decide. Sorry JD for the inconvenience though if you weren't doing anything wrong there it was my mistake. Just saw as it came to me man.

[maynard]

You need 2 be confident when you ban the person. if you're not, don't ban them, get a second opinion before taking action so it doesn't screw the individual over.

[brett friggin favre]

You need 2 be confident when you ban the person. if you're not, don't ban them, get a second opinion before taking action so it doesn't screw the individual over.

this. so much. if you're uncertain at all, msg another admin (hell i'll look at demos most of the time too) on steam, or post in the admin section before taking action. of course you still have to put a thread like this up, but just make sure before taking action. better to ban someone a few days after the incident than to ban them and have them pissed at the community for a week while they await the process

ot: i don't see anything really fishy

[Rosie]

definitely looks like walls to me, pretty consistent



ot: i don't see anything really fishy

Make up your mind man.

[CYBER]

Make up your mind man.

^ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaa

... what's with the bipolar comments on this thread? ...

[maynard]

^ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaa

... what's with the bipolar comments on this thread? ...


.....:lmao: ^

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

haha brett your in the spot light!

Rosh, at any rate, you made the right decision. Its better to ban and review then to not ban and let a potential hacker continue to reign.

[CYBER]

.....:lmao: ^
ohhhh suck it maymay!!!
i was laughing at how many people said smthn like " hackss!!!" and then... " i dnt see hacks"..
i was about to comment about it , when i read rosie's comment! (that bitch stole my comment!)

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

ohhhh suck it maymay!!!
i was laughing at how many people said smthn like " hackss!!!" and then... " i dnt see hacks"..
i was about to comment about it , when i read rosie's comment! (that bitch stole my comment!)

Pretty sure it was just Brett who changed his position.
Back on topic to help ula's expodite his case

[maynard]

haha brett your in the spot light!

Rosh, at any rate, you made the right decision. Its better to ban and review then to not ban and let a potential hacker continue to reign.

actually he made the wrong decision as I already stated. if you're not confident in your ban, do not ban the person, this is nothing new...

it can take anywhere from 2-5 days for a thread 2 be handled, it's not fair for someone whose not hacking, 2 have 2 wait that period of time just cause you're iffy about something, and not even sure 2 begin with if the person hacks.

[brett friggin favre]

holy crap i was off last night. i watched a different demo that i had just pulled of a different player entirely and posted that response on this thread.

i also kept telling my gf to put off her paper til tomorrow and she kept telling me IT'S DUE AT 9 AM TOMORROW and i was like just do it over the weekend or something. god yesterday was fuckin terrible for me XD

just watched it one more time, and for my final verdict, it certainly looks like walls at some points, but i have noticed that the locations of moving player models on sourcetv are way off, and reg is even crazier. i saw something crazy with lagi the other day, he was aiming at a dude's knee, stationary, crouched with the awp...shoots his head. then he's shooting full auto with a krieg, landing shots around the dude's legs, then the killshot is a headshot when the head isn't even visible. i see the same sorts of things several times in this demo, so the most telling times, when he seems to trace someone who's just out of his view, blocked by a wall, he could've actually seen that player due to lag and other things. that makes it tough to say for sure...as i said in my first post it does certainly look like walls. but that could just be the demo being screwy. not sure what can be done about that if anything...it's pretty damn impossible for a 3rd party to accurately show what 2 different players see when lag's involved. when you take this into consideration, and that most other instances where it looks like it could be walls can be explained by sound or radar and there are no cross-map walltraces or anything like that...i'd say it's not conclusive, and not enough for a ban. i do still stand by my first post, it LOOKS like walls throughout...but i bet if i watched myself i'd say the same thing.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

actually he made the wrong decision as I already stated. if you're not confident in your ban, do not ban the person, this is nothing new...

it can take anywhere from 2-5 days for a thread 2 be handled, it's not fair for someone whose not hacking, 2 have 2 wait that period of time just cause you're iffy about something, and not even sure 2 begin with if the person hacks.

If that is the case then your stand point has changed regarding making bans for hacks when you arnt100% sure. As before it was about letting the review process unfold vs letting a potential hacker run free because someone wasn't 100% positive. Better safe then sorry so to speak.

[maynard]

the system for over a year now has been "if you're not sure if a person hacks, do not ban them, you must be confident in your ban" not sure what the hell you're going on about, this is nothing new, like I said.

it's also kinda common sense. worst case senario, in the time you're getting a second opinion, someone else says "hey! this guy HHHAAAAAXXX!" and they post a demo which only makes more support for the ban.

you can easily ban someone at anytime, if you're not sure, leave the person alone... once again... this is nothing new.

clan before me had stated this as it's not fair 2 the person if they don't hack. we're not in the business of banning people till we know what's what. stand by your ban if you make one. "I saw one or 2 iffy things and wasn't sure if he hacked" is not grounds for a ban on someone.

[Spasm]

just watched it one more time, and for my final verdict, it certainly looks like walls at some points, but i have noticed that the locations of moving player models on sourcetv are way off, and reg is even crazier. i saw something crazy with lagi the other day, he was aiming at a dude's knee, stationary, crouched with the awp...

This, sourceTV makes it look more like walls then you think, I don't see nothing here. 14000 is sound steamer. 19000-20000 I don't see anything either. 20000 is a direct result of sourceTV being behind, which makes it look like walls. 25000 looks like a legit shot to me as well. Voting unban.

[JD^]

When will the verdict be given?

[BladeTwinSwords]

I will get to it either tonight or tomorrow.

[Steamer]

I mean tick 14400, switch between the 2 draws and watch. He see's the guy up top, yet it is not visible on actual model showing, he then pre aims to kill.

19-20k rewatched, sound, my fault. Buy me new headphones damnit! lol.

At 25k he turns for the kill shot with bullets going in a faster than normal perfect line even before he see's him.

I know this guy has been around a while, but this shit really does not look legit to me.

[Penis シ]

My synopsis is that he was playing the map the way he should. The tick at 14k is nothing significant. He got the tunnel rushers, then he turned to check to see if they overrunned his spawn yet, didn't see anyone in spawn so he checked the catwalk. Found the dude, the other guy had the jump on him.


Ticks 19-20k, he's in a great situation. After he killed the first 3, he KNOWS the enemy is on his trail. He's red hot on the radar and his dead teammate hints to someone in spawn. With drawothermodels on, you see one runs onder, the other starts but notices the radar and goes for up top. JD does 2 checks of spawn before he hears the footsteps and homes in on it. Makes sense.

At 25k, he's playing by intelligence. That is a VERY common spot. He has been to that corner of the map twice in this game so far and both times, he's had a person over there. He is at a 100% rate of seeing someone there, not to mention every other time someone is over there. Logistics make sense too. He has a gun with 32 bullets. The only thing that doesn't make sense is NOT shooting. You see he turns for the prefire, misses twice and taps the dude as he's covering for himself in the case someone was there. He THEN notices that someone was there (surprise!) and homes in on where to shoot while strafing back in. Looked legit in 2.4% and it looked legit at 80.


My verdict is good player, no hax.

[JD^]

I still see its a very mixed decision with so many different people defending me and the minority saying I hack with the person whom banned me not even sure if I hack.
I've tried to join the server again but it still says im banned, i know the process normally takes 5 days so im hoping the right decision is made at some point throughout the day.

Thanks again, I know it must be a pain watching people like me, but as someone who also seems like they have been playing a long time, "Penis シ
My synopsis is that he was playing the map the way he should. The tick at 14k is nothing significant. He got the tunnel rushers, then he turned to check to see if they overrunned his spawn yet, didn't see anyone in spawn so he checked the catwalk. Found the dude, the other guy had the jump on him.


Ticks 19-20k, he's in a great situation. After he killed the first 3, he KNOWS the enemy is on his trail. He's red hot on the radar and his dead teammate hints to someone in spawn. With drawothermodels on, you see one runs onder, the other starts but notices the radar and goes for up top. JD does 2 checks of spawn before he hears the footsteps and homes in on it. Makes sense.

At 25k, he's playing by intelligence. That is a VERY common spot. He has been to that corner of the map twice in this game so far and both times, he's had a person over there. He is at a 100% rate of seeing someone there, not to mention every other time someone is over there. Logistics make sense too. He has a gun with 32 bullets. The only thing that doesn't make sense is NOT shooting. You see he turns for the prefire, misses twice and taps the dude as he's covering for himself in the case someone was there. He THEN notices that someone was there (surprise!) and homes in on where to shoot while strafing back in. Looked legit in 2.4% and it looked legit at 80.


My verdict is good player, no hax."

I think after reading what he put explains the situation better than just watching sourceTV itself.
I haven't watched the demo of me due to the fact I know there isn't anything suspicious other than a good player (in a non-arrogant way).

Cheers again guys, hope this case can be hurried up though.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I vote unban. Nothing really shows hacks.

Unbanned closed.

[Steamer]

You'll be unbanned. The demo shows some really odd pot shot kill at the end, and another very odd kill that can't be directly linked to tracing and could be considered luck. All in all I guess it's inconclusive.