server contests

[anex]

Screwed up on poll, I meant to say, "WOULD YOU GUYS PARTICIPATE?"

What would you guys think of servers contests where the prize is a free month of reserved slot? Contests such as the team in pub with the most wins win. The people who win a 3 Gg maps win (three different people). In zm, the top 5 players with the most kills win. The winning team in wcs win.

Would this be something that you would like to participate in?

****Not applicable to admins****

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Screwed up on poll, I meant to say, "WOULD YOU GUYS PARTICIPATE?"

What would you guys think of servers contests where the prize is a free month of reserved slot? Contests such as the team in pub with the most wins win. The people who win a 3 Gg maps win (three different people). In zm, the top 5 players with the most kills win. The winning team in wcs win.

Would this be something that you would like to participate in?

****Not applicable to admins****

Fantastic idea!

BUT

It need alot of edge work. Id love to help organize it but im not sure what you want. So for now count me as a volunteer.
Pick a date: This way admins and regulars alike can advertise the event in the servers leading up to contest day.
will there be rounds for the contest?
like, contestant 1 moves on to bracket 2 ect.?
start a list of people who will participate and which server?

ohhh this will be sooo much fun :)

[Pl@YwithM3]

****Not applicable to admins****

grrrrr

i like it regardless tho. are you suggesting this to be a one day only event? orr... several days in a row? or one day every week for a month? idk :p
noob idea that i already know the answer too but will ask anyway; for the average Pl@Yer, one contest win would be prize-worthy sure, but what if an admins standards to get a prize would be x amount of wins out of however many contests? :p an their prize would be free adminz for a month woohoo!! :D like.. say if there were 5 consecutive contests than an admin would have to win 3-5 of those to actually get anything.

buuuut if the idea is to promote the awesomness of IBIS to the regs, an us admins cant do anythin but watch/organize.. then ok sure thats cool too :doh:

eitherway ill help in the zm contest :icon_mrgreen:

[maynard]

It need alot of edge work.

no... it really doesn't. simple idea, simple concept, simple 2 execute.

[brett friggin favre]

that would be awesome. i was thinking today of having a similar thing, but with admin instead of reserved slot, the ibis trustee. every month, admins 'n' clan vote on apps put up by users, winner gets a free month of a low level admin. of course i think it'd work much better just being reserved slot, mainly since it costs less :P

[anex]

We can probably do one for admins later. But right now I was only thinking about doing reserve slot but we can do one for admins to show our appreciation for you guys.

It would be a monthly event due to the winners getting 1 month reservse slot. We can probably start it on the WCS server since that server is usually packed with people on the weekends. We can have a roster setup (balance to the teams and assign teams) and treat it like a scrim.

So the WCS scrim can occur over 3 different maps with swapped teams on each map once one team gets to 10 wins. Two minute rounds to ensure that the rounds don't linger with people camping as this will be purely objective bomb based maps. (No hostage maps)

Set it up on one date, probably a Friday at 8pm or 9pm. Or a date that works for everyone.

No bracket system, so the team that wins, the whole team gets reserved slot.

How does that sound?


that would be awesome. i was thinking today of having a similar thing, but with admin instead of reserved slot, the ibis trustee. every month, admins 'n' clan vote on apps put up by users, winner gets a free month of a low level admin. of course i think it'd work much better just being reserved slot, mainly since it costs less :P

I was just wanting to do the reserved slot just to test it out. Giving that type of admin would be much more fun to hold contests instead of just doing apps. Bias comes into play on the app process.

Admin costs less than reserved slot?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

We can probably do one for admins later. But right now I was only thinking about doing reserve slot but we can do one for admins to show our appreciation for you guys.

It would be a monthly event due to the winners getting 1 month reservse slot. We can probably start it on the WCS server since that server is usually packed with people on the weekends. We can have a roster setup (balance to the teams and assign teams) and treat it like a scrim.

So the WCS scrim can occur over 3 different maps with swapped teams on each map once one team gets to 10 wins. Two minute rounds to ensure that the rounds don't linger with people camping as this will be purely objective bomb based maps. (No hostage maps)

Set it up on one date, probably a Friday at 8pm or 9pm. Or a date that works for everyone.

No bracket system, so the team that wins, the whole team gets reserved slot.

How does that sound?

Fantastic!

[Chef C Green]

Great Idea :wtg:.


We can probably do one for admins later.

ALSO a great idea. Would like to see this idea get a thread of it's own as well XD.

[anex]

ALSO a great idea. Would like to see this idea get a thread of it's own as well XD.

We don't even need to do that. The same settings for the reserved slot bracket will be applied to the admin bracket. The only thing that will be different is the prerequisites and will be held the day after the reserved slot bracket. So friday reserved slot bracket, saturday admin bracket. (no not this friday and saturday, hypothetical friday and saturdays)

What maps do you guys think is good for the wcs thing? I got dust2, inferno and nuke for the tie breaker. Good maps for wcs?

Also, I have determined that the Reserved Slot Bracket will be 21 slots, 20 players with one moderator. Admin Bracket will be 11 slots, 10 player with one moderator.

This will be tried in the WCS initially to determine how this goes. If it goes well and we have no problems, we can do this on other servers each month instead of being one server related. April is when I plan to start this. If it goes well then the May will be in ZM, and June in PUB.

[ZERO]

I just think the idea of a competitive wcs scrim sounds really cool. I am not aware of any competitive game for a modded version of css ever being played. If done this could possibly be the very first "tournament" for a non vanilla css game in history.

[brett friggin favre]

I just think the idea of a competitive wcs scrim sounds really cool. I am not aware of any competitive game for a modded version of css ever being played. If done this could possibly be the very first "tournament" for a non vanilla css game in history.

not to mention the ramifications...we could possibly see TEAMWORK in WCS.

http://shanghaithere.davers.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/greatscott.jpg
GREAT MOTHERFUCKING SCOTT

[anex]

It would be pretty cool to see if players will actually use team work. You always go in a scrim with a completely different mindset. I wonder if they will come up with serious tactics and strategies that arn't normally used. It will make for an interesting watch.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

It would be pretty cool to see if players will actually use team work. You always go in a scrim with a completely different mindset. I wonder if they will come up with serious tactics and strategies that arn't normally used. It will make for an interesting watch. so first step is a date?

[anex]

I'm thinking the first friday and saturday of every month. So it would be April 6th.

Now do you think these maps are good choices? or are there better bomb maps that pertain better to wcs? I'm trying not to go with maps like deathcookin.

DE_DUST2, DE_INFERNO, DE_NUKE

[XX0wnsXY]

I like the map choices. Also, i think teamwork would come into play because people on the same team would strategize hardcore...However, i think certain races should be either forbidden or restricted to keep SOME need for the skill and teamwork, ( ie shadow of the void) .

[anex]

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/8710-Wcs-scrim-reserved-bracket-closed

Ok, officially posted. Closed atm to avoid cluster as that is going to be for people applying. Questions or comments about it will be asked here.

The Admin Bracket will be posted soon. It will be a 5v5 with a prize of one free month of admin.

[brett friggin favre]

aztec is pretty balanced, but can swing on a few players. maaaybe season or russka? other than those i can't think of anything better. maybe start with the 3 you have and work aztec, season, and russka in if you want to change things up.

[anex]

I think for right now we will keep the three maps.

[nightstrife]

An you could use the wcs test server so people that aren't in it could still play

[maynard]

I think for right now we will keep the three maps.

agreed. we can change them up each time we do this. keeps things fresh... and sexy.


An you could use the wcs test server so people that aren't in it could still play

it will be on a passworded server 2 prevent anything from screwing with the scrim.

[anex]

I believe the WCS test server is the one that zero is going to let us use.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I believe the WCS test server is the one that zero is going to let us use. awesome, that answers my conflicting reserved slot question, everyone will be max level! Will we use vent? If so we should have at the very least an admin in each teams channel assuring no ghosting is happening.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

awesome, that answers my conflicting reserved slot question, everyone will be max level! Will we use vent? If so we should have at the very least an admin in each teams channel assuring no ghosting is happening.

rcon_alltalk 0

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

rcon_alltalk 0 yes, and? there are limited slots ingame, spectators cant hear teams when in spectate and will not be part of the match. Vent is a better option in my opinion.
Edit: unless of course dead players can't speak or type to those alive.

[maynard]

the spectators will be Anex and myself and if all talk is on like it is in normal WCS there will be no issue. this isn't going be a slow paced uber tactical scrim, it's going 2 be very fast, 2 minute rounds. if T's haven't planted by the 2 min mark, CT's win by default.

[B1ackOut]

Only 2 teams? If this becomes successful should there be more than 2 teams for later tourneys? i have a feeling that more than 20 people will want to participate in this. If there is an excess of applications would more teams be added with eliminations or will it just be first come first serve?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

the spectators will be Anex and myself and if all talk is on like it is in normal WCS there will be no issue. this isn't going be a slow paced uber tactical scrim, it's going 2 be very fast, 2 minute rounds. if T's haven't planted by the 2 min mark, CT's win by default.its going to be fast eithrr way, not letting the contestants organize and play tacticlly to win kinda defeats the purpous of it being a competition, don't ya think? Correct me if I'm wrong but dosnt turning all talk off also disable dead talk? Or could zero implement the dead talk, as he will need to change the slot amount for the server anyways.

[maynard]

well we can always set it 2 team talk... it doesn't really matter either way.

as the point is for us 2 see who wins, not listen 2 you guys.


keep in mind blackout, this isn't something zero is supporting and just giving 2 the winners, anex came up with the idea and is literally going into his own pocket 2 pay for everything.... so the odds of him supporting even more teams are pretty much slim 2 nill.

the way it is it offers a good scrim with decent rewards once a month.

[Pl@YwithM3]

daayyyumm, how about you just make a league out of all of this its getting crazy in depth hahah. i mean really, have ppl (who chose to) put together their own individual teams of x amount of Pl@Yers an they can train together ect., have matches held ona weekend basis and teams throughout IBIS can compete with oneanother in like a seasonal contest :icon_mrgreen: i could make a whole layout of the idea if u want :p

i could go on further buuut ill just stop now an avoid the offtopic-ness that youre just gonna say no to anyways :wtg:

[anex]

Only 2 teams? If this becomes successful should there be more than 2 teams for later tourneys? i have a feeling that more than 20 people will want to participate in this. If there is an excess of applications would more teams be added with eliminations or will it just be first come first serve?

Yes. If this becomes successful, there will be many more teams depending on how fast the slots fill. So like lets say, if these slots fill up quickly, the one that will take place in May will be far better. Right now this is a just a test to see if people will take part and if it goes fairly well. This is not a model for how it is always going to look. Hopefully we will be able to do the one on Apr 6 for regulars and Apr 7 for admins.

If both go well, this is how it will look in May:

- Two private servers dedicated soley to the scrim (two matches going simultaniously moderated by clan members)
- Any player can join
- 5v5
- Up to 40 players (up to eight teams for a total of 7 matches)
- Will allow player created teams (have to be done in advanced)

Right now, if there is an excess of applications more will not be added. It will be on a first come first served basis. But remember, this is only an experiment to see how this will work. I don't want like a million people signing up and then having this flop somehow.


its going to be fast eithrr way, not letting the contestants organize and play tacticlly to win kinda defeats the purpous of it being a competition, don't ya think? Correct me if I'm wrong but dosnt turning all talk off also disable dead talk? Or could zero implement the dead talk, as he will need to change the slot amount for the server anyways.

The reason why its fast is you either know what you are doing, or you don't. Its ridiculous to have long round times just to have people take forever doing something. There are races that can do a complete circle around the map in a matter of just a few seconds. There is no reason to have rounds longer than 2 minutes. You can still play tactically and complete the objective.


daayyyumm, how about you just make a league out of all of this its getting crazy in depth hahah. i mean really, have ppl (who chose to) put together their own individual teams of x amount of Pl@Yers an they can train together ect., have matches held ona weekend basis and teams throughout IBIS can compete with oneanother in like a seasonal contest :icon_mrgreen: i could make a whole layout of the idea if u want :p
If this takes off, these will be held on the first saturday on each month. What do mean layout O.o?

[Rosie]

Great idea, and thanks Anex for supporting it. That deployment money is burning your pocket. I think having server based admin teams would be fun. ZM vs GG in WCS! Winner takes on the WCS admins?

[CYBER]

Anex , thats a very noble gesture in deed , but i was also brought up to be a very supportive guy to friends, and im also willing to donate to you/ibis and support a month reserve slot for 1-2 entire teams that wins for regulars, each month, in order to have this idea grow.

I would also believe that if this idea should grow strong, perhaps one might consider having a wcs server dedicated for 5 on 5 scrimming only?
A server dedicated for pre-made teams of 5 that join, and their 'rank' is the team rank (amount wins?) .. And use that server for the tournaments one day?
(im talking about long term, where that server would be known for all wcs communities to perhaps be the only wcs dedicated for scrim? I think this server would be severely reserved for games. )


Also, i talked to maynard, whoever said its gonna be maxxed races is wrong, the current races each individual player has leveled and acquired would be transfered from the regular server to that server, and each plays using his own shit.
It will also be monitored by maynard and anex only (ie no random spectators, god i wish there was sourcetv for that game:p) and the test server would be locked with a password.
The teams would be first come first served, and its gonna be random team repartition to limit the chances of stacking.

I hope i didnt mess up the information, this is what i heard from maynard, in order to avoid redundant questions:)

[HypeRNT]

Amazing idea, nicely done. Have you thought about certain rules for this to keep the tournament civilized and balanced?

Im mainly talking about 5v5 rules as to who can play what maps and what races.

Would putting a limit on spider man on 1 per team make this better? I was thinking it would take more skill because you would have to choose who plays this race more carefully, meaning it would take more teamwork for your 5 man team in deciding who plays what race if there is a limit just for the tournament.

Aswell as having a limit on blood mages and eye ra races to 1 per team. Making it much harder for people to pick who plays what races so it does not get wasted and is put to good use.

Also, is there a WCS teamspeak/vent that will be available for use for this tournament or can we use our own? or is it even allowed?

This tournament sounds like a great idea and will be alot of fun for the people that get on it. Great community builder.

[anex]

Great idea, and thanks Anex for supporting it. That deployment money is burning your pocket. I think having server based admin teams would be fun. ZM vs GG in WCS! Winner takes on the WCS admins?

Well not neccessarily take on WCS admins, but prerequisites can change to reflect activity in other servers. So like the prerequisite in APR in a minimum of 10 hours in the wcs server. May will be the same thing. Jun however it could be like a minimum of a certain amount of skill points in ZM or hours logged in GG, so players will be rounded in all the IBIS servers.... and yes its burning my pocket.


Anex , thats a very noble gesture in deed , but i was also brought up to be a very supportive guy to friends, and im also willing to donate to you/ibis and support a month reserve slot for 1-2 entire teams that wins for regulars, each month, in order to have this idea grow.

I would also believe that if this idea should grow strong, perhaps one might consider having a wcs server dedicated for 5 on 5 scrimming only?
A server dedicated for pre-made teams of 5 that join, and their 'rank' is the team rank (amount wins?) .. And use that server for the tournaments one day?
(im talking about long term, where that server would be known for all wcs communities to perhaps be the only wcs dedicated for scrim? I think this server would be severely reserved for games. )


Also, i talked to maynard, whoever said its gonna be maxxed races is wrong, the current races each individual player has leveled and acquired would be transfered from the regular server to that server, and each plays using his own shit.
It will also be monitored by maynard and anex only (ie no random spectators, god i wish there was sourcetv for that game:p) and the test server would be locked with a password.
The teams would be first come first served, and its gonna be random team repartition to limit the chances of stacking.

I hope i didnt mess up the information, this is what i heard from maynard, in order to avoid redundant questions:)

If you want to donate man, that would be very helpful. If zero is willing to have two scrim servers setup then donations can be little to help pay for the prizes. With the minimum of $12 to $55 when we do that 5v5. If that is not the case than as I said before there will be two permanent scrim servers 13 slot servers (10 for players 3 for spectators). Each comes with its own ventrillo server. After this one, the scrims will be 5v5.

Yes, maxxed races is wrong. Each individual will have their own level and classes that they have in the IBIS WCS server. It will be monitored by Zero? Maynard, and myself. Zero has said that he is going to have a sourctv like thing up to allow people to watch the match with a 30 second delay. Servers are going to be with a password and it is first come first server with teams matched to avoid stacking.


Amazing idea, nicely done. Have you thought about certain rules for this to keep the tournament civilized and balanced?

Im mainly talking about 5v5 rules as to who can play what maps and what races.

Would putting a limit on spider man on 1 per team make this better? I was thinking it would take more skill because you would have to choose who plays this race more carefully, meaning it would take more teamwork for your 5 man team in deciding who plays what race if there is a limit just for the tournament.

Aswell as having a limit on blood mages and eye ra races to 1 per team. Making it much harder for people to pick who plays what races so it does not get wasted and is put to good use.

Also, is there a WCS teamspeak/vent that will be available for use for this tournament or can we use our own? or is it even allowed?

This tournament sounds like a great idea and will be alot of fun for the people that get on it. Great community builder.

I've decided not to limit (server limits should already apply EX. Vagabond) individual classes such as spider man (really not that good since it got nerfed to hell and back), blood mage, and eye ra. Eye ra can be easily countered by items you can buy from the wcsstore and having multiple blood mages can be wiped people easily. We will see how this goes but not restricting classes should not be a problem.

I have a vent that you guys can use but if you want to use your own then you will be fine. I'll setup two channels, one for both teams, and password protect them for you. Alltalk will be on so if any problems do arise such as cheaters or players breaking rules, it can come to the moderators attention quickly.

[maynard]

we don't really need more vents. we can just have the scrims go into diff channels in our ibis vent, saves money.

[HypeRNT]

Well not neccessarily take on WCS admins, but prerequisites can change to reflect activity in other servers. So like the prerequisite in APR in a minimum of 10 hours in the wcs server. May will be the same thing. Jun however it could be like a minimum of a certain amount of skill points in ZM or hours logged in GG, so players will be rounded in all the IBIS servers.... and yes its burning my pocket.



If you want to donate man, that would be very helpful. If zero is willing to have two scrim servers setup then donations can be little to help pay for the prizes. With the minimum of $12 to $55 when we do that 5v5. If that is not the case than as I said before there will be two permanent scrim servers 13 slot servers (10 for players 3 for spectators). Each comes with its own ventrillo server. After this one, the scrims will be 5v5.

Yes, maxxed races is wrong. Each individual will have their own level and classes that they have in the IBIS WCS server. It will be monitored by Zero? Maynard, and myself. Zero has said that he is going to have a sourctv like thing up to allow people to watch the match with a 30 second delay. Servers are going to be with a password and it is first come first server with teams matched to avoid stacking.



I've decided not to limit (server limits should already apply EX. Vagabond) individual classes such as spider man (really not that good since it got nerfed to hell and back), blood mage, and eye ra. Eye ra can be easily countered by items you can buy from the wcsstore and having multiple blood mages can be wiped people easily. We will see how this goes but not restricting classes should not be a problem.

I have a vent that you guys can use but if you want to use your own then you will be fine. I'll setup two channels, one for both teams, and password protect them for you. Alltalk will be on so if any problems do arise such as cheaters or players breaking rules, it can come to the moderators attention quickly.

Very nice, do you think that if 5 people decide to go eye ra on round 1 meaning that 5 ults=round ends at 20 second mark when eye ra has their ults up? Like you can counter people, but up to a certain amount, like its hard to counter smart wcs players that would get a ward, or buy a lace so you cant use your ult when summoned or something to that effect. It just leaves less teamwork needed and more to the effect of lets pick 5 of the same race to try to power thru these guys on round 1 so they never catch back up. Maybe forcing people to have certain races selected for their team would add structure, like lets say you require by SAY for teams to have 1 support class as in blood mage per team, making them chose who the IMPORTANT person who can stay alive is to support them long enough to win, this way it would require more teamwork since its a 5v5 making it much harder and interesting, but thats just a thought.

At the same time, a team full of blood mages is like 5 vs 15, you never know how many times you will revive, as well as having 10 spiderman with laces and anti wards in a 5v5 is just scary to think about. Nonetheless sounds like you have this pretty much thought out and i cant wait to try to be apart of it or watch it if i don't make the sign ups .

[maynard]

it's not hard 2 counter eye ra at all, go shadow hunter, or just purchase necklace

[CYBER]

Hyper... Eye rae is limited to 2 for team.
The following things can happen:
1- eye rae fails to summon someone with lace or immunity, or is a vaga/rapscalion that was smart enough to remain stuck when they got summoned.
2- eye rae summons someone that got killed just before he summon succeeds.
3- eye rae summons another eye rae summoning ur teammate to help u ( it happens quite often) then u have an extra partner to help.
4- eye rae summons shadow hunter that wards the living crap out of it while goig invincible ( sure u can buy a lace and anti wards, but its a huge expense, specially on a scrimming budget.
5- eye rae sunmons speed or teleport race that zips away.
6- eye rae summons an nade race, or suicide bomber, or sparks or void and fucks u up.
7- eye rae summons a guy, kills him, guy respawns and kills eye rae.
8- eye rae summons a guy, and gets interrupted by someone else shooting it.
9- eye rae dies roo early in the game to even summon or respawn anyone bcos its not an op class.
10- eye rae tries to summon someone but everyone has neclaces, loosing its element of surprise.
11- two eye rae summon the same guy, rendering one of their ultimates usess...
12- eye rae summons someone and kills them (halleluya) ... Then it has to wait another ~20 secs to doThis all over again, while avoid getting killed, and avoiding camping and within the time limit, before a bomb blows off or gets defused...

What im trying to say is that: there's a shitload of possibilities if u have ONE eye rae on a team, having 2 or more, with the above possibilities multiplied?
Its not really recommended to have too many eye ras... Who'd do that nway?

In my mind, a gd combo would be:
1 vaga That does recon work.
Followed by a spidey tha does some sweeping
Backed up by a molecule/shadowhunter that carries the bomb and shields the weaker races,
An eye rae summoning every 20 secs or a bloodmage/nightelf/athena spamming ultimate protected by molecule.
The last 1 could be any of the above again ( a knife race is too situational), but i might go with a void that may proc its ultimate for a possible insta win, or a crypt lord spamming ult in case someone is guarding bomb, but the better option would be a support human, or a very lucky chameleon for diversity each round.
Heck he last guy could just rotate races based on what the successive plans are..like hopping on dragonfly to get his gun, change race and hop on smthn else needed. Etc...


tl;dr: All i know is that this is gonna be an awesome match.

[HypeRNT]

When will you find out your team so that there would be time to maybe strat and or get to know some of the team members for those who do get picked.


Edited my post after reading the main thread.