deLiGHT <3, 5/3/12, 5:40 pm EDT, STEAM_0:0:26279260

[brett friggin favre]

Name in Game: deLiGHT <3
Steam-ID: STEAM_0:0:26279260
Where: wcs
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:0:26279260&advType=steamid&Submit
Reason for perma ban: wallhack/esp

first demo, ticks 36000, 42000, 55000, 65000, 77000. i suggest slowing down some ticks, especially the first. he doesn't prefire, but definitely reacts to enemies he can't see.

second demo, 7000, 24000 and again at 25000, 32000, possibly 38000, 44000 holy titillating trace, 55000 doesnt check hallway as anyone normally would, 61000 watch how he reacts again to knowing a guy's there though he shouldn't, 66500 doesnt check down the ramp as anyone would, and watch 78500 for one of my better moments.

[Erdenay]

and watch 78500 for one of my better moments.

That was indeed classic. Even if this guy wasn't hacking, it probably would have been a great moment, but along with the actual ban - pure epicness.

[XX0wnsXY]

First demo:

36000, I see nothing here?

42000..you can hear the guy with the P90 reloading as delight is standing still @ double doors. Not hacks

65000 I don't think throwing a nade in an area that people often go is grounds enough to be conclusive. Then you come rushing out so there really is no evidence here, IMO

77000 could be fishy, but I don't know..still that doesn't seem unlikely that he thought someone might be hiding there, so he was cautious.



Second Demo:

7000- Yeah, I can't explain that.

24k and 25k? I see him moving his mouse around but..it doesn't appear that he's following anyone.

32k is him moving his cursor over the apartments again, however he never follows through with anything and I never see enemies come from that direction, so i don't believe he is tracing anyone.

38k I believe he hears something behind him, I heard it too, then he gets shot from a different direction and dies.


44 is fishy


55 he passes right by the invisi guy and gets shot by him....

In conclusion, there are way more inconclusive ticks than fishy ones..so I am voting to unban until more evidence is collected.

[brett friggin favre]

there was something wrong with the sound when i was watching those, i re-downloaded and now i can hear footsteps and other sounds where i previously could not. however i still maintain that while he doesn't trace or prefire, he does react to enemies that he shouldn't know are there in many cases. he has a kac ban on this account ( http://lucky-gaming.net/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A0%3A26279260+&Submit= ) and a vac ban 2 others (look at the ip on this ban http://bans.wcfan.de/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=79.161.99.138&Submit= , also for wallhack, and that steamid is vac banned, also look at this steamid http://bans.venatusuna.com/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:0:26280622&Submit , also vac banned, same ip again). so this guy has 2 vac bans, one definitely for wallhacking and another probably for the same reason. he's been at it for a whiiiiile, that's why he knows not to trace or prefire, but he reacts when he shouldnt, specifically running into areas, then stopping only when there's someone waiting for him. also note that steamid on the second account i linked was banned 2 days ago...the same day i made the ban.

[CYBER]

id love to watch this and give my input, but i cant access the demo viewing controls (player thing) when viewing demo. i can watch demos of aimbottes, but wallhackers who need to me to slow down and speed up and repeat a scene with and without wireframe is just gonna take me all day for 10 minutes ...with my goddamn keyboard. i should have it fixed in 2 days tho, if not handled yet.

[brett friggin favre]

id love to watch this and give my input, but i cant access the demo viewing controls (player thing) when viewing demo. i can watch demos of aimbottes, but wallhackers who need to me to slow down and speed up and repeat a scene with and without wireframe is just gonna take me all day for 10 minutes ...with my goddamn keyboard. i should have it fixed in 2 days tho, if not handled yet.

take your time. and keep his history in mind...he has 2 vac bans, so he's gonna be trying to hide it. he doesn't trace, doesnt prefire, but he hangs his crosshair over open spots near enemies he can't see, he'll stop a rush for no reason, he'll not check a certain direction that everyone would logically check. that's where his tells are.

[Steamer]

Gahhh... Need a slip up. Yours is very very fishy, yet no hard proof. No demo's on the wall history. The KAC is for LUA scripting, which of course is used for multitudes of cheats and spams clientside. That's what the openscript convar is... For this alone I want to say ban.

[brett friggin favre]

Gahhh... Need a slip up. Yours is very very fishy, yet no hard proof. No demo's on the wall history. The KAC is for LUA scripting, which of course is used for multitudes of cheats and spams clientside. That's what the openscript convar is... For this alone I want to say ban.

watch in the first demo how he lines up his shots at 42k and 77k. knowing someone's in pit is one thing, but he seems to know where on the ramp they are.

second demo, 24k, he's fixed on that one spot because he knows there's a t there. he looks at that spot way too long to not know he's there. 44k how he lines up the shot through the box. 66500 why the hell would he not check the ramp? i understand the difficulty with not seeing a hardcore trace or shooting through the wall, but his playstyle screams walls. also, 2 vac bans, one on the same day i made this ban. however if you don't feel there's enough evidence, that's up to you guys and i'll keep an eye on him if i see him again.

[Steamer]

I will go over this tic for tic when I have time, As of what I skipped through, no, wasn't enough. Still want more word on that KAC relation..... Still say he should be out for that alone linked to his Steam ID.

[brett friggin favre]

I will go over this tic for tic when I have time, As of what I skipped through, no, wasn't enough. Still want more word on that KAC relation..... Still say he should be out for that alone linked to his Steam ID.

i can't say any more on that...honestly i haven't looked into cheats enough to know where to even begin -.- but you take that and the 2 vac bans...clearly he has a history of hacking, and had hacks on his computer the day i banned him since that one id was vac banned then. but like i said, if you just need more and he's unbanned, i can get more. just a matter of when he comes back on.

here's (http://v4servers.com/showthread.php?2710-Banned-By-ConVar-openscript-violation-LUA-Source-Scripting) what i can find on it though. apparently that ban comes from lua scripts run by members of the lua source scripting group (luass), which i remember coming across a week or 2 ago. (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/9031-EzPz-04-29-12-07-08-STEAM_0-1-15978322)

also this http://www.kigenac.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=940

[SCRIBBLE]

The first demo has a few spots I deem conclusive however before I make my final decision I am going to review it again to ensure what I saw wasn't an engine error or something similar. This is a great example of someone who knows how to hide it well as if the player knew he may be under scrutiny.

I will have the opportunity to review both again on my lunch break today. My vote will be cast then.

edit: reviewed both again. hacks. willing to explain in private, not posting detailed description to avoid swaying others into a vote.

[CYBER]

scribbs. just make sure u update ur private details AFTER votes are made, just for documentation purposes, so that we can learn his habits, if he hacks.

im sorry im not of any use recently, im temporary working 12+ hours shifts and 3 courses (that im thinking of skimming...)

[SCRIBBLE]

scribbs. just make sure u update ur private details AFTER votes are made, just for documentation purposes, so that we can learn his habits, if he hacks.


That was the plan.

[CYBER]

spasm is the more <strike>experienced</strike> (lol), make that skeptical one about walls. i was hoping he handles it because its a delicate ban with split ULA votes and he would favor the inconclusive in hopes of a better demo, than banning uncertainly a possible innocent player (not that there's anything innocent about the guy...)...

but if this thread is not voted on by nightfall (sounds poetic right?), then i'll assess it myself with my own experience and private detailed work.:)
and im told to be a douchebag with thesis paper posts :P just saying

[acolyte_to_jippity]

spasm is the more <strike>experienced</strike> (lol), make that skeptical one about walls. i was hoping he handles it because its a delicate ban with split ULA votes and he would favor the inconclusive in hopes of a better demo, than banning uncertainly a possible innocent player (not that there's anything innocent about the guy...)...

but if this thread is not voted on by nightfall (sounds poetic right?), then i'll assess it myself with my own experience and private detailed work.:)
and im told to be a douchebag with thesis paper posts :P just saying

for the record, zero doesn't have the strikethrough html enabled here.

[CYBER]

for the record, zero doesn't have the strikethrough html enabled here. No shit Sherlock!...

[brett friggin favre]

for the record, zero doesn't have the strikethrough html enabled here.

http://i.imgur.com/Gh47d.gif

[CYBER]

Demo 1:

32k i seee nthn

42 k , u're both right and wrong. i agree with owns that the guy reloaded his p90 1000 tick marks earlier, and that delight heard it, but it still doesnt justify him going there and tracing the pit. the guy could have left by now, and more importantly: HE COMPLETELY OMITTED TO CHECK HIS RIGHT MOST CORNER , at the tunnel intersection, where many ppl camp... if he is the safe player why not check there and just the pit?

53k that was beyond fishy...it is not conclusive for a ban, but he changed his behaviour based on someone hiding secretly behind the wall... and he stopped rushing and camped it out, and then instead of walking in the tunnel, he WASTES his ultimate on teleporting in the tunnel and immediately turning to where the "hidden guy was standing"? come on... not 100% conclusive imo, but definitely a characteristic of a wallhacker to change playing behaviour that way.

ths tick mark was not mentionned : tick 62k : i had to watch that many times in a row... it is almost IMPOSSIBLE for delight to see brett walking through the double doors and spray him through the walls. i had to repeat that 4 times to make sure, while paying attention to THAT corner only (smthn u wouldnt do in game ) and reduce the speed to a maximum of 54% for delight to BARELY see the SHADOW of brett's walking foot... could have been mistaken for a grenade too or object... i personally would have perma baned him just for being TOO focused here ( yeah , i said it... he shouldnt be able to see that foot , at all), but since its a very annoying ban... lets move along.

tick 77k i dnt like it, he quietly goes behind the guy and its fishy too, not to mention that delight did not cover his right corner .... (AGAIN)... however, at ticks 42k, 62k and now 77k, he has done the exact sam thing, whethere there was or wasnt a guy in the pit... so it could be just his usual "routine" to strafe that way and check the common pit...



demo 2 didnt give me much to work with....

7000? am i missing something here? i dont find this tick sketchy at all. if we wondering why the guy was going one way and then moved back to the kitchen window where a guy was camping,. then it's explained very simply: an idiot enemy teleported to that hidden guy, delight probably heard his teleport to his left, and decided to surprise him at the door, but he wouldnt know there were 2 ppl there until he saw a spidey going out of there... which leaves it that there might still be the human who teleported there...

tick 23k: i disagree with owns on this one, i find it VERY fishy. you see, for a guy that acts a little "too precautious" like he did to that hidden guy in dem1 tick 55k and so forth, i find it VERY fishy that the guy is willing to leave himself open for a shot across the hallway, through the window, while camping some random corner to his right?... why camp that corner unless waiting for the guy to make a move? not to mention that he paused his crosshair on the hidden guy once, which could be accidental... if i was in delight's place, i would be worried about ppl in the hall and appartment balcony... not willingly get close to the window and be a target from 3 directions... i call bs on this one.

25k, surely after, he jumps out of the window and goes to the main hallway, where (in wireframe) you can see a guy crouched in the underground tunnel...)... delight completely ignores to watch his back, the T entrance AND the entrance to the bombsite... just in favor of "following" an invisible enemy through the tunnel??...

44k, this time, i agree with owns, the tick is very fishy for trace. he litterally traces the guy's head through the boxes, pauses with him and then traces back...
but it could be just luck and some motion prediction... but still... facing the boxes when an enemy is the bombside? instead of strafing right into the open and help the teammate?... sure ok.

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as for my final decision, im still torn. there is too much bs that i categorised under "luck"... my gut tells me he hacks like never before, but im still reviewing the ticks more and more to see if they are warrant of a perma or not... im not sure, YET.

i honestly think that this final decision should be left for spasm.
the only reason im leaving this for him, is because delight is already at 1-1 on the ULA votes. if spasm, who is the better one of us, finds it conclusive, he can put an end to it with his YES. if i vote NO now, i would be denying the better ULA to make a better decision simply because i am still torn.
worse comes to worst, he gets unbanned by spasm, and then brett and i will scout the ends of the earth to find conclusive demos of him. and i do my best to always catch my guy.

[FAil Boat]

Since yall are on the fence I figured I'd take a look. Most of the ticks I thought were definitely not hacks. Merely coincidental if anything. Especially 44000 anyone could trace that lol.

Not hacks IMO. Just my opinion. :3

[brett friggin favre]

Im down with that and thanks for the insight cyber. I just find the fishy spos I see combined with his disregard of where people arent, even though they usually are, plus the two vac bans...its just too much for my liking

[Steamer]

As I said, demo's are inconclusive (well for sure solid tying proof). I would like for Zero's and clans though on the KAC ban and relation, AGAIN, imho, that is grounds enough for a permanent removal from our servers, just sucks we can't get legit proof for a steam ban. I will not vote on this thread, as there is no third inconclusive option, as I do believe he does, but just the proof.... KAC is entirely different than the topic of this poll.

[brett friggin favre]

well i figure you can never have too much info. digging more, he's part of this steam group, http://steamcommunity.com/groups/GakksFriend
the admin/patriarch of that group is vac banned, has a kac ban for drawothermodels and multiple aimbot and bhop accusations (147) according to his steam profile.

relations to people with vac bans, 2 vac bans of his own...along with the kac ban as steamer is making sure we don't forget :smirk: just saying there's a sizeable mountain of evidence that does not help this guy at all.

[Steamer]

open script violation

K A C BAN

[SCRIBBLE]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.

[Steamer]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.

This is true, but those "rules" I assume are in place for all the right reason, I do agree with you here Scribs, and I see the other side as well. Still... The KAC!!!... Chamon...

[CYBER]

The senior admins at steam bans would have enough proof in these demos for a permaban, but the term "conclusive" is subjective in regards to grounds for a permaban here at IBIS and seems to be more along the lines of a crosshair tracing playermodel situation, which is asinine.True. Most ppl here have this wrong belief that a wallhacker is only a wallhavker if they have their crosshair on an enemy through wall all the time... Im not gonna lie, i would have done the ban myself instead of brett for the dxact same demos. The only reason why im not putting a YES on this ban is bcos i want to meet the ibis standards for conclusive evidence, just to make sure all ibis perma bans are non-negotioable. Which is why im calling spasm forth... But lets face it, there's a reason why 'someone' hasnt posted an unban thread yet...

[XX0wnsXY]

True. Most ppl here have this wrong belief that a wallhacker is only a wallhavker if they have their crosshair on an enemy through wall all the time... Im not gonna lie, i would have done the ban myself instead of brett for the dxact same demos. The only reason why im not putting a YES on this ban is bcos i want to meet the ibis standards for conclusive evidence, just to make sure all ibis perma bans are non-negotioable. Which is why im calling spasm forth... But lets face it, there's a reason why 'someone' hasnt posted an unban thread yet...

in reality, you have to post what YOU think. I posted my decision and why and I feel the need to explain it to noone. That is why 3 ULA's are required..it keeps people in check. I may be right or wrong, but someone either has to back me, or vote against me and I'm ok with whatever decision is made.

[CYBER]

in reality, you have to post what YOU think. I posted my decision and why and I feel the need to explain it to noone. That is why 3 ULA's are required..it keeps people in check. I may be right or wrong, but someone either has to back me, or vote against me and I'm ok with whatever decision is made.
i did post what i think. i did say that i think he hacks, but that the evidence might not be conclusive enough to perma ban HERE.
i posted my opinion, but i wont vote so that i dnt fuck up the votes. simple as that. steamr seems to have done a similar thing.
we shared our indivudual opinions.

[brett friggin favre]

just wanted to take this opportunity to say i'm sorry for making such a brain twister of a ban

and i can't wait to do it to you guys again :smirk:

[CYBER]

just wanted to take this opportunity to say i'm sorry for making such a brain twister of a banand i can't wait to do it to you guys again :smirk: asshole. Gd job tho, regardless. First it was mutt, now delight, and u also interfere in fluffy bans...U seem to have that brain twisted habit. Asshole lol...

[Spasm]

I don't think the demo is conclusive enough for a ban. I only watched the ticks provided by brett, not all of the demos.

Demo 1:

32k - nothing at all.
42k - fishiest spot of the first demo I saw. It seems like more then a coincidence that his cross hairs line up perfectly when he comes up from the pit. May be luck I dunno. The reason why he's not checking everyone else is because his teammate is out there. He knows that his teammate will be getting shot if someone is hiding in the corner to his right. Plus, rambo hides in that pit a shit ton on that map.
62k - I seen his foot clear as day. He just sprays the door. Aims more at the corner because thats where most people would go.
77k - Same as 42k really, and he is now used to rambo hiding in the pit. He knows to look there.

Demo 2:

7k - This one actually hurts your case. He acts surprised when he see camping the corner. Watch his crosshair jerk, thats a surprise jerk.
23k -25k - He is because his teammate is going first. He isn't looking because he is assuming his teammate will get shot first. I do that shit all the time. He isn't too worried about camping because the fucker is playing human on a dark foggy map. He knows he is pretty much invisible unless someone walks right up on him, and in that case he is going to hear it. Radar explains the tunnel thing easily.
44k - Looks fishy and luck, not conclusive though.

Based on the ticks and demos I'd say unban. Based on the previous vac bans and KAC shit, I'd say permaban. I think a clan member needs to weigh in on the previous shit with his ip, but for the demos provided I am saying legit.

[Steamer]

Based on the previous vac bans and KAC shit, I'd say permaban. I think a clan member needs to weigh in on the previous shit with his ip

This.

[CYBER]

just because this thread is about to hit the second page in this subforum:
bump for clan attention regards to KAC and previous bans.
meanwhile, im personally not in a hurry to unban a guy who doesnt even give a fuck about posting an unban thread. just saying.

[maynard]

Cyber, do your job or stay out of the thread.

don't need like 10 posts and 0 votes. make a decision, stand by it. very simple.

[CYBER]

not to be the party pooper here, but since we still haven't received a firm ruling for previous kac and multiple vac bans...
based on the demos ALONE , im gonna vote inconclusive for now...
my gut tells me he hacks like never before, but since spasm and steamr havent casted their vote yet... im unbanning the fucker (who never bothered with an unban thread...) until further notice.

brett, u've done a good job, dont sell urself short, a demo that gets ULAs jumping like headless chickens is a very controversial demo and i hope that you keep an eye on him if he decides to come back, and you provide a better demo. I'll do the same, and i hope other ulas do too. if it takes a day, month, year, etc... we always get our guy eventually...

unbanning based on inconclusive demo, NOT previous vac/kac bans.
closed.

---------- Post added at 10:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 PM ----------

forgot to vote NO.
closed.

[Steamer]

Due to previous VAC and KAC bans I must conscientiously vote yes, even if it isn't that demo.
Reban until last vote / clan involvement.
/Open

[maynard]

2/3 majority vote was hit when cyber voted, this issue is closed and over with.