Dejobro | 5-23-12 | 7:15 EST | STEAM_0:1:18853194

[Steamer]

Dejobro
STEAM_0:1:18853194
GG
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:1:18853194&advType=steamid&Submit
Aims
Just watch.
Also watch for this guy, I do not have time to and it was his buddy/brother (so DR.DOOM says) STEAM_0:1:8882843 DR.DOOM
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[XX0wnsXY]

I wont vote yet, but I will say this:

I watched up to 30k on the first demo (dejobro is playing from the start)..and I saw absolutely nothing. That said, there are no specific ticks so unless you have something in mind or he starts hacking in the second demo, I would vote Unban..but I will wait until I can review the second demo..I have to go to work now.

EDIT:
Watched the second demo and the first over again, slowed it down like you said. I don't see anything conclusive enough to warrant a perma ban. I definitely don't think that he's walling, using aimbot, or aim assist. As for no recoil, with sv_showimpacts 1, there doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary. I'm voting inconclusive. Trouble is a terrible map to judge walls on..and the aims just aren't there, IMO. Second demo shows no proof of walling either, as it's rather short, as well. I have a decent eye..I don't think I would be ULA if I didn't..however, I'm not keen on perma banning people for demos that could be "open for interpretation". That's all.

[Steamer]

I highly suggest you watch it again and slow it down. It isn't obvious per-say, but its there and widespread, in both demo's, there is no need to provide ticks...

I have watched it 3 times now, seeing the lead-ins, the nice straight sped up aims a here and there, and the all around bs. This one takes a decent eye at observing....

[brett friggin favre]

eesh. i think we all hate these. as far as walls go...this is a relatively new map yes? i'm guessing so as there arent many gg maps i havent seen and this is one. anywho, that can add to the feeling of walls, but i notice throughout the demo that damn near anywhere you look, there's an enemy. yes, there are some parts where he's looking right at an enemy through a wall. however lots of the time he either saw them go behind a peg or the guy is on radar, or they're just where people always are. he'll also hold on the outside of a wall, but the timing of his shits do not indicate walls to me. for every tick i find myself saying BS...there's 2 ticks for which i say it's clearly not bs. as far as i care, if he's walling but reacts slower than anyone else on 2/3 ticks...it's not enough of a bother to attempt a ban. especially on a map like trouble...now i didn't watch the second demo yet, i'll get to that. but from the first demo, i'd say no on walls.

as for aimbot, i'd like everyone to take a look at ticks 17k and 23.5k particularly close. they simply don't look natural. i see a few other jerky movements but i don't notice most of them actually landing on or near to anyone else, and they seem consistent with picking up and putting down a mouse. those two ticks though...got me wondering. toggler in my opinion, i'll have to watch this demo a bit more closely and also get into the second to be sure.

as for his steam account...had it since 08, almost NO play time at all on it except 43 hours of source. what i'm seeing from him is more consistent with hundreds upon hundreds. also couldnt find anything on his ip. if the GODDAMN GG STATS WERE WORKING we could check for other ip's.

ONE FINAL THING - IMPORTANT
i did find this. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198004356628
that's a different steam account. same person. not vac banned. same amount of css hours. that's all i can dig up, but can't find out why he'd have 2 steam profiles. it has played on our pub http://www.ibisgaming.com/pub1_stats/player.php?id=26235 (steamid is listed there), and damn near nothing. i'm baffled. my gut says hax, my head says fuck you i'm going to sleep.

[Steamer]

I like his second accounts names, Snapples, with a HS kill only. Lol.

Just watch for the aims more so, the walls I mentioned are w/e, and very inconclusive on such a small map but somewhat sketchy to me.

As for open interpretation, I don't see were that matters here, as nothing needs to be interpreted. The proof is in the demos, it is or it isn't, I have no other proof of anything else. Your post sounds like your saying you strongly believe he doesn't hack, yet you vote inconclusive (this is not NO, pretty much means you didn't make a decision or torn if he does but lacking evidence).... that doesn't speed up the process at all. We truly are not in a position to be not voting, we are here to vote yay or nay and leave no sides. It happens at times, but for good reason, this ban however is no good reason to not be voting just a yes or no, it's just something I will add to all bans now, no matter the obviousness.

Four times now I have watched, and every time I see some speed up in movement close to the person and a straight line gone off how the guy "normally" shoots.

[XX0wnsXY]

I like his second accounts names, Snapples, with a HS kill only. Lol.

Just watch for the aims more so, the walls I mentioned are w/e, and very inconclusive on such a small map but somewhat sketchy to me.

As for open interpretation, I don't see were that matters here, as nothing needs to be interpreted. The proof is in the demos, it is or it isn't, I have no other proof of anything else. Your post sounds like your saying you strongly believe he doesn't hack, yet you vote inconclusive (this is not NO, pretty much means you didn't make a decision or torn if he does but lacking evidence).... that doesn't speed up the process at all. We truly are not in a position to be not voting, we are here to vote yay or nay and leave no sides. It happens at times, but for good reason, this ban however is no good reason to not be voting just a yes or no, it's just something I will add to all bans now, no matter the obviousness.

Four times now I have watched, and every time I see some speed up in movement close to the person and a straight line gone off how the guy "normally" shoots.

You put an option as inconclusive. I don't see anything conclusive so I voted inconclusive. You made the poll, note me. Anyway, my vote is made.

[brett friggin favre]

in the second demo, watch tick 12.5k. that's the best there.

i see ticks in both demos which seem unnatural, but nothing consistent enough or blatant enough to warrant a perma. that, combined with no solid evidence of past hacking...if i had a vote i don't think i could vote yes. i'd say definitely keep an eye on him. but one thing i'm not seeing is a shimmy. aimbot almost always comes with a shimmy and i'm not seeing that. and a lot of the time, those quick mouse movements don't result in much. btw rellik is really fucking annoying...anyway, my vote would be no, but i wouldn't fully write him off as legit. especially with the 2 steam accounts and very little play time...but based on this demo and concrete past evidence, i just don't think there's enough.

[Steamer]

If you didn't think he hacks, as you said yourself, then you should vote no, not that your "unsure" or couldn't make a decision. Your vote makes no sense to what the words you typed state.

You say strongly no, yet you vote non-decisive, undetermined, no definite decision or result, ect, ect, ect... It just baffles me.

[brett friggin favre]

If you didn't think he hacks, as you said yourself, then you should vote no, not that your "unsure" or couldn't make a decision. Your vote makes no sense to what the words you typed state.

You say strongly no, yet you vote not decisive, undetermined, no definite decision or result, ect, ect, ect... It just baffles me.

sorry if i'm being unclear. i'm providing the ticks i see closest to hacking, and saying that they don't look normal. but at the same time, i don't see them as being artifically aided. the fact that he does have those fishy ticks and the more than fishy background is enough to pique my interest, but the lack of concrete evidence means i have to vote no. i'm staying away from the inconclusive option because inconclusive = no. the reason my vote is "strongly" no is because it is not decisively yes, and i don't like leaving myself on the fence. if i'm gonna say no, i'll do it with conviction, if i'm gonna say yes, i'll do it with conviction.

fishy as fuck? yes.
would i vote to perma ban? not based on what i can see.

EDIT: i feel like this wasn't directed at me. i'm tired and slow. anyways i'll leave it up there as insight into my process. lolz

[Steamer]

Not you, Owns.

Either my brain is fucking with me and I see shit others don't, as I have been pretty stressed lately, or the dude is/isn't cheating. Just trying to clean up shit that looks very sketchy to me and what I saw as assisted aiming. Not saying I'm not wrong, as I have been in the past. Rather try and keep cheats out then just let them run rampant in server, sometimes there are mistakes, just try to steer clear of such, but it happens. To me this isn't one, but that's left up to the others to decide.

The former is also why I have been taking long rounds with the bans, specifically the harder ones, as obvious is, well, obvious.

[XX0wnsXY]

Not you, Owns.

Either my brain is fucking with me and I see shit others don't, as I have been pretty stressed lately, or the dude is/isn't cheating. Just trying to clean up shit that looks very sketchy to me and what I saw as assisted aiming. Not saying I'm not wrong, as I have been in the past. Rather try and keep cheats out then just let them run rampant in server, sometimes there are mistakes, just try to steer clear of such, but it happens. To me this isn't one, but that's left up to the others to decide.

The former is also why I have been taking long rounds with the bans, specifically the harder ones, as obvious is, well, obvious.

It shouldnt baffle you. Its not going to matter. He is banned for a month..thats plenty of time to sort it out.

[SCRIBBLE]

I see evidence of reactionary tracing and team confusion typical of players using material hacks.

[brett friggin favre]

I see evidence of reactionary tracing and team confusion typical of players using material hacks.

Any specific ticks? Id love to take another look at this guy, he doesn't add up

[maynard]

why the hell is this still open?

someone buck up and take care of this.

[Steamer]

Any specific ticks? Id love to take another look at this guy, he doesn't add up

Look around the tubes in center when the group gunfights of multiple teams happen. Just one example, on the first demo.

[brett friggin favre]

Look around the tubes in center when the group gunfights of multiple teams happen. Just one example, on the first demo.

yeah looking at that again, i'd have to say yes on walls. after a good night's sleep i'm seeing it better. and thanks to cyber for pointing out tick 11k in the 2nd demo, i'd say walls for sure. not meaning to be a flip-flopper, just getting a better look at it.

[CYBER]

took me some time to get back on that demo bcos i was extremely busy.
but yeah, hacks.
i saw some aim assist shit but nothing consistent enough that cannot be blame on the fucking engine as usual.
as for walls, definitely walls.


to explain: 1 thing about walls that ppl need to understand, its that it doesnt need 100% tracing and shooting through walls to tell...
just watch him play, he reacts differently based on different players behind walls that cannot be explained by sound or shit.
he walls not to kill ppl as much as to survive. look at the tubes in trouble, every time he went through a hallway, he is always facing the "right" way to where a random enemy is standing, most players have a pattern, check right first, check left first, based on what they feel comfortable with when moving their mouse, or from players' tendencies or footsteps or sounds etc...
he conveniently always comes out of those tubes looking the right way to randomly see an enemy 3 seconds out of the tube, always, instead of having his back facing them.
again., walls for survival, not for kills.

add that to his shitty history, add that to ticks 11k ->13k on city where he reacts brutely to a guy going up the ladder across the map, and then carries back to the left as if nthn happened, which means that he didnt look to the right by hunch or to check smthn , but more like instant hand twitch when he saw the guy there (this probably would have been missed if he wasnt scoped it, making it too dumb obvious that he reacted to smthn slightly, which made his zoomed crosshair jerk big.)
add that to some random "tracing" of ppl camping on gg_trouble (to be fair, those are usually not enough because when someone is camping a spot across map shooting at u , we all "somewhat" trace through the walls before he go around the corner , trying to align the crosshair at them bcos they are standing still and not moving,) but with all this combined.

on a side note : the japanese sound system on gg_trouble GAVE ME A HEADACHE! geezus that thing sucked.

also: keep an eye on his brother Dr Doom. he asked why his brother got banned, and then completely continued playing as if nthn happened, he didnt get dramatic as to "you guys suck how could u ban my brother he doesnt hack! blablabla... " its as if he knows that about him and just moved along, so keep an eye on him too, in case hacking is his bloodline.

hacks.
perma/closed.