The ACA (Obamacare) was upheld today

[Penis シ]

Dunno how many of you guys saw that. Welp, this country has become too socialist, I'm gonna just have to move to Cana-pfffft hahahahahahahahaha

http://www.happyplace.com/16744/obamacare-oppenents-vow-to-move-to-canada

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare

[Dj panda]

Yeah..... Were fucked arent we.....

[StarsMine]

I find most people against obamacare dont know what it means.
though the opposite is quite true to.

WTf is wrong with those people o.O Move to canada, who have an even more socialist health care system then obama care EVER was.

I cant take a single one of those people seriously if they really think that.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Obamacare in its current form is only constitutional if it is considered a tax. Its horrible, Its not a crime to falsify military service and decorations because it is freedom of speech but the government will now mandate everyone pays for health insurance? If the general population stopped eating mc donalds everyday and took it upon them selves to put in a little physical effort to stay healthy, we wouldn't need this kind of shit.

[Penis シ]

Mikey, you're missing the point of the thread. This isn't a debate thread. Click the links, laugh a little.

[brett friggin favre]

Thing I hate is that it was said that it's not a tax...now the supreme court says it's a tax and that's why it's legal. Legislating from the bench much? Someone should take this to the supreme Co...haahahahahahahahaaah!

[StarsMine]

Obamacare in its current form is only constitutional if it is considered a tax. Its horrible, Its not a crime to falsify military service and decorations because it is freedom of speech but the government will now mandate everyone pays for health insurance? If the general population stopped eating mc donalds everyday and took it upon them selves to put in a little physical effort to stay healthy, we wouldn't need this kind of shit.
Im sorry but all the countries I know that have an even more socialized version of this are healthier (I mean where way healthier when it was implemented and currently are healthier). I dont think it matters that we are the fattest country in the world this time around. Though Yes I agree, people should start taking care of themself. I like mcdonalds, but the MOST I would have it is 2 times a week. Gets a bit much after that.

You know what screw that, im going to canada, smoke a joint and go to an all you can eat buffet.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Mikey, you're missing the point of the thread. This isn't a debate thread. Click the links, laugh a little.

but, to say one is moving to canada is outrageous. What else is there to talk about that is relevant to this thread ):

fuck it, ill just move to canada.

[Penis シ]

Hahahaha! That's the spirit!

[ZERO]

The gov has now decided that no one is allowed to talk bad about the gov. No it is not an infringement on free speech you just need to pay a $1million tax for the carbon you will breath while complaining about this tax.

[Assassin]

Minus the original post which was just for the lulz obv....the rest of you are retarded (yes that includes you to zero). All this law is doing is giving families subsidies to help pay for the increasing amount of health care costs so they can have actual insurance that covers shit instead of the well you've seen your doc 2 times this year time to up the bill by about 200 bucks.

I come from a poor family and yes my mom and dad both work super hard (mom owns her own business and works 6 12 hr days a week) and my dad works for the state of WI (which coincidentally just lost most of its benefits bc of fucking Walker). Granted there will be a tax increase...but will you actually notice it? its like .15 cents or some shit. As for the obesity problem...yes it is a problem but if they wanted to cut that shit out...they would just outlaw fast food and other unhealthy things (ie smoking/drinking/cars that pollute) so they are trying to keep your freedoms intact and just make sure people who don't have the opportunity to get themselves healthcare get it. I'm not going to bitch as I have been in that situation most of my life...and debating on going to get a 100+ doctor bill when I'm spiking a 103 degree fever shouldn't even be a concern...yet it is a prevalent one.

[taz1stP]

well now that this is done when are they going to decide to come for our guns wont be long with that nigger in office. the thing that gets me is that i have to pay for health insurance what if i don't fucking want health insurance why should i have to pay for something that i might not even want to fucking have. I mean its bad enough that we pay for druggies to be on welfare but now we have to pay for there doctor bills also i mean wtf is this Communist Russia

[Penis シ]

I really don't want this thread going down this path. But if it has to.

Taz, Communism is a government control of business. Socialism is a government control of money. Capitalism is the lack of government role in either. We live in a Socio-Capitalist nation. This means that while you have business making MOST of the decisions, you have regulations and steering of both. This means unemployment benefits by the government, social security by the government, minimum wage set by the goverment, minimum work age set by the government, and now, with this, minimum benefits set by the government. What you call Communisim is actually Kenyesian economics and we've been working off of them for the better part of a century.

Unfortunately, you can't choose whether or not to get sick and you sure as shit cannot choose whether or not you get hurt when something unexpected happens. Healthcare is NOT a choice in your life, it is a fact. Timing is the choice. If you read in to the bill, you'll be informed that they must spend 80% of all small firm premiums on healthcare and 85% of large firm premiums. The argument is that this, coupled with a medicare expansion (they spend 95% of premiums on it), will place an abundance of care into the industry causing prices to drop. The question "What if prices increase because now the money HAS to be spent" was also asked and they bring in independent firms to investigate any price difference (from market) of 10% or more meaning you're protected from price gouging.

Assassin, I'm obviously at this point, on your side in this argument, but the question has to be asked, when has government done enough. The slippery slope DOES need to be paved out and directed to ensure what Zero said does not happen. The SCOTUS has just awarded Congress the power to tax you for not doing something. This NEEDS to be figured out. But, then again, so does Citizens United.

Now to address Mikey's point about fat smokers that go tanning then then get mesotheliomatoninbetes of the heart, skin, and toenails. OBVIOUSLY they are going to be a drag on the system. That is why Congress enacted a BRAND new tax that goes into a slush fund on smoking and indoor tanning. That hottie with the sweet tan on daddy's dime is paying for your heathcare. Buy her a pack of cigs.

I guess my last point in this is that the government is not perfect. Neither is free industry. Or people on their own. But there are some things that mankind has been setting out as goals since its existence and quality healthcare is one of them. Whether you're for or against this now, the very step that we have taken should be a huge victory. Obviously the program needs a LOT more to be put into it and Pres. Obama said himself that he probably wouldn't even like this bill until it was in its 6th or 7th version, but the ball HAD to start rolling.

[brett friggin favre]

here's the thing we're all worried about: if you give a mouse a cookie...

[Steamer]

^ This. The only thing I do not like is not having a choice in the matter. I did not vote for Obama, so that is irrelevant to me, to the people that did before this happened and are now bitching about it, it was all spelled out in the OG campaign, so quit your bitching.

[ZERO]

Our real problem is we have forgotten the important words as to what government is:
“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

What has occurred over the last 100 years is that the citizens of the nation have been tricked into taking the fire of government out of their hand and placing it all together in one place called DC. This fire in dc was supposed to keep us warmer and safer by being larger but no one paid attention to the fact that the larger a fire is the faster it consumes fuel. Also a larger fire is even harder to stop from growing becuase it is the nature of fire to expand endlessly in order to survive. So our solution was to make this fire even larger becuase the fire told us it would be easier to control. Now 100 years later we are left with the largest fire the world has ever seen and anyone that even suggests putting some water on it is quickly engulfed by its rage and consumed in the flames. We have let the fire become the master of us all and just as with all great nations before us this fire will ravage the earth and leave nothing in it's wake. Eventually like all fires it will run out of fuel when everything has been consumed and then it too will die.

For what else is history but the repeated story of man producing wealth followed by a government to protect it followed then by the government destroying it and itself. It is this cycle that has plagued mankind for thousands of years and it was this cycle though the creation of limited self government that our founding fathers hoped to save us from. However we have been lead like lambs to the slaughter as we have given up our traditions, our history, our honor and our freedom to gain some temporary security and it is for this great crime that ultimately our children will pay the cost of. We have selfishly thrown away our past and our future so that we may live in the moment. We have been so consumed by the flames that we are now the extension of the fire itself for like the fire we have no past or future we only have the moment as we search, endlessly ravaging everything in our path, for more fuel. For this is the fate of those great nations we have seen in the past a past that we can no longer even see from so deep within the great fire we have protecting us from such dangerous ideas.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”

[Steamer]

^Ron Paul.

[brett friggin favre]

^Ron Paul.

until i found out he doesn't accept evolution. that just...irks me.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Health Insurance is a product, it is not a necessity. Though what penis says holds true to some extent, alot of the "sickness" you cant control and "dangerous accidents" you cant control, can be mostly prevented by being a responsible individual. Medical aid is a product you purchase for personal and family security in the event something happens. It is not a mandatory "tax" the government should force onto the people. I have never needed health insurance and sure as hell dont plan on paying my hard earned money on it because the government said i had to.

One can not feel sorry for the weak if they lack the will to strive higher. Its sick that people agree with this health care reform, "HEY I HAVE SLACKED OFF MY WHOLE LIFE AND BEGGED FOR FREE STUFF, THANK YOU OBAMACARE FOR MAKING EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY GIVE TO MY IRRESPONSIBLE SELF!"

At the end of the day, Health care used to be a freedom an individual of this country could make a choice on. It is no longer. We the people lose in this situation and are blinded by the materialistic gift of "health care." Americans over time have given up and forgotten the meaning of what it means to be truly free, there are two types of people. Ones who work hard and strive to become stronger and others who mooch and widdle themselves down to nothing more then a beggar, lacking the fortitude to take responsibility for there decisions. if every individual understood that hard work and sacrifice was all they needed to be happy, we would not be in this hellish nightmare we currently are in.


also, assassin. You are wrong, health care is a set rate based on spouses and dependents, i suggest you find a new health care provider if you are having those sorts of issues. What ACA is doing is, making the people who "can," suffer for the people who "cant."

[Steamer]

alot of the "sickness" you cant control and "dangerous accidents" you cant control, can be mostly prevented by being a responsible individual.
Yes most, but not all, and some of that can get quite costly. If you are "poor" and from a "poor" family, there is a high percentage chance you will be "poor" yourself, and may need the aid. To discourage all "poor" people as if they are not trying is asinine. There needs to be more consequence on people abusing the system, more strict regulations and cost gap on the insurance pertaining to the level of health you are keeping yourself at, and far more internal regulation. Health care cost and premium insurance is outrageous, the majority of people can't afford it. The sad thing is that this all could not be fixed or at least try to be without government intervention. It should have never gotten to this level to begin with.


I have never needed health insurance and sure as hell dont plan on paying my hard earned money on it because the government said i had to.

You will eventually, you will.


One can not feel sorry for the weak if they lack the will to strive higher. Its sick that people agree with this health care reform, "HEY I HAVE SLACKED OFF MY WHOLE LIFE AND BEGGED FOR FREE STUFF, THANK YOU OBAMACARE FOR MAKING EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY GIVE TO MY IRRESPONSIBLE SELF!"

This is just fucking stupid. There is a such thing as striving and will to go further and do more and be better off, it just isn't always fucking possible. I can honestly say this statement has pissed me off (blah blah internet no one cares). When someone says you can be anything and do better if you try hard enough, it is a straight up bullshit lie, it is not always 100% possible. There are key aspects in this plan that I personally do agree with, not the plan in its entirety. Everyone in the country already gives to the people slacking off, this doesn't change shit with it but make it available to the people actually willing to pay in. If anything this plan in its current form goes even further to limit that, think about it and the long term and populous effects. This thing can go two ways, costing everyone tons of money, or saving everyone lots. With the current from and level control and the way the GOV is atm, I will go with the previous.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Yes most, but not all, and some of that can get quite costly. If you are "poor" and from a "poor" family, there is a high percentage chance you will be "poor" yourself, and may need the aid. To discourage all "poor" people as if they are not trying is asinine. There needs to be more consequence on people abusing the system, more strict regulations and cost gap on the insurance pertaining to the level of health you are keeping yourself at, and far more internal regulation. Health care cost and premium insurance is outrageous, the majority of people can't afford it. The sad thing is that this all could not be fixed or at least try to be without government intervention. It should have never gotten to this level to begin with.


You will eventually, you will.



This is just fucking stupid. There is a such thing as striving and will to go further and do more and be better off, it just isn't always fucking possible. I can honestly say this statement has pissed me off (blah blah internet no one cares). When someone says you can be anything and do better if you try hard enough, it is a straight up bullshit lie, it is not always 100% possible. There are key aspects in this plan that I personally do agree with, not the plan in its entirety. Everyone in the country already gives to the people slacking off, this doesn't change shit with it but make it available to the people actually willing to pay in. If anything this plan in its current form goes even further to limit that, think about it and the long term and populous effects. This thing can go two ways, costing everyone tons of money, or saving everyone lots. With the current from and level control and the way the GOV is atm, I will go with the previous.

Trying and doing are two completely different things.

I suppose it all comes down to the fact that, i am an unforgiving person. someone needs a helping hand due to there actions and choices? my response is "that sucks." I have my self to look out for in these troubled times, not everyone else. This dosnt mean i am not a compassionate person by any means though. The phrase "Tough love" comes to mind.

[Steamer]

Trying and doing are two completely different things.

I suppose it all comes down to the fact that, i am an unforgiving person. someone needs a helping hand due to there actions and choices? my response is "that sucks." I have my self to look out for in these troubled times, not everyone else. This dosnt mean i am not a compassionate person by any means though. The phrase "Tough love" comes to mind.

Sometimes they don't have the choices and no amount of action amounts to anything, some people are actually born into it, some get lucky and succeed, others don't get the opportunity to, this is fact, to fail to realize such is very stupid. At earlier times in history, these people would be left to scrap and survive as long as possible, an usually just die(Darwinism, Survival of the fittest[Be it mentally, physically, naturally, or socially.]). Pretty much, you'd leave them to die. Don't contradict yourself, that is not compassion, and by this and previous statements, you just show how damn selfish you are and a high level of self conflict.

[ZERO]

I think where people are missing the boat is when we all got hit with a club and placed on the fascism cruse ship 100 years ago. After which we suddenly decided that it is the governments job to take care of people. Sorry but being a big old stuffed animal that makes us all feel good and shits rainbows and lollypops is not a government it is a mask for a system of total control and madness.

"Are we going to take the hands of the federal government completely off any effort to adjust the growing of national crops, and go right straight back to the old principle that every farmer is a lord of his own farm and can do anything he wants, raise anything, any old time, in any quantity, and sell any time he wants?"

It is the job of the individual to be charitable and help their neighbor not the job of the collective.

Perhaps if people read the soviet constitution and think about the way people and our government act you may wonder what nation they think we are in:


II. THE STATE AND THE INDIVIDUAL
Chapter 6: CITIZENSHIP OF THE USSR / EQUALITY OF CITIZENS' RIGHTS Article 33. Uniform federal citizenship is established for the USSR. Every citizen of a Union Republic is a citizen of the USSR.

The grounds and procedure for acquiring or forfeiting Soviet citizenship are defined by the Law on Citizenship of the USSR. When abroad, citizens of the USSR enjoy the protection and assistance of the Soviet state. Article 34. Citizens of the USSR are equal before the law, without distinction of origin, social or property status, race or nationality, sex, education, language, attitude to religion, type and nature of occupation, domicile, or other status.
The equal rights of citizens of the USSR are guaranteed in all fields of economic, political, social, and cultural life. Article 35. Women and men have equal rights in the USSR.

Exercise of these rights is ensured by according women equal access with men to education and vocational and professional training, equal opportunities in employment, remuneration, and promotion, and in social and political, and cultural activity, and by special labour and health protection measures for women; by providing conditions enabling mothers to work; by legal protection, and material and moral support for mothers and children, including paid leaves and other benefits for expectant mothers and mothers, and gradual reduction of working time for mothers with small children. Article 36. Citizens of the USSR of different races and nationalities have equal rights.
Exercise of these rights is ensured by a policy of all-round development and drawing together of all the nations and nationalities of the USSR, by educating citizens in the spirit of Soviet patriotism and socialist internationalism, and by the possibility to use their native language and the languages of other peoples in the USSR. Any direct or indirect limitation of the rights of citizens or establishment of direct or indirect privileges on grounds of race or nationality, and any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness, hostility, or contempt, are punishable by law. Article 37. Citizens of other countries and stateless persons in the USSR are guaranteed the rights and freedoms provided by law, including the right to apply to a court and other state bodies for the protection of their personal, property, family, and other rights.
Citizens of other countries and stateless persons, when in the USSR, are obliged to respect the Constitution of the USSR and observe Soviet laws. Article 38. The USSR grants the right of asylum to foreigners persecuted for defending the interests of the working people and the cause of peace, or for participation in the revolutionary and national-liberation movement, or for progressive social and political, scientific, or other creative activity.

Chapter 7: THE BASIC RIGHTS, FREEDOMS, AND DUTIES OF CITIZENS OF THE USSR Article 39. Citizens of the USSR enjoy in full the social, economic, political and personal rights and freedoms proclaimed and guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR and by Soviet laws. The socialist system ensures enlargement of the rights and freedoms of citizens and continuous improvement of their living standards as social, economic, and cultural development programmes are fulfilled.
Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state, or infringe the rights of other citizens. Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance wit the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum), including the right to choose their trade or profession, type of job and work in accordance with their inclinations, abilities, training and education, with due account of the needs of society.

This right is ensured by the socialist economic system, steady growth of the productive forces, free vocational and professional training, improvement of skills, training in new trades or professions, and development of the systems of vocational guidance and job placement. Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure.

This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time.
The length of collective farmers' working and leisure time is established by their collective farms. Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.

This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life. Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.

The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security. Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing.

This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the USSR shall take good care of the housing allocated to them. Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education.

This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education. Article 46. Citizens of the USSR have the right to enjoy cultural benefits.

This rights is ensured by broad access to the cultural treasures of their own land and of the world that are preserved in state and other public collections; by the development and fair distribution of cultural and educational institutions throughout the country; by developing television and radio broadcasting and the publishing of books, newspapers and periodicals, and by extending the free library service; and by expanding cultural exchanges with other countries. Article 47. Citizens of the USSR, in accordance with the aims of building communism, are guaranteed freedom of scientific, technical, and artistic work. This freedom is ensured by broadening scientific research, encouraging invention and innovation, and developing literature and the arts. THe state provides the necessary material conditions for this and support for voluntary societies and unions of workers in the arts, organises introduction of inventions and innovations in production and other spheres of activity.

The rights of authors, inventors and innovators are protected by the state. Article 48. Citizens of the USSR have the right to take part in the management and administration of state and public affairs and in the discussion and adoption of laws and measures of All-Union and local significance.

This right is ensured by the opportunity to vote and to be elected to Soviets of People's Deputies and other elective state bodies, to take part in nationwide discussions and referendums, in people's control, in the work of state bodies, public organisations, and local community groups, and in meetings at places of work or residence. Article 49. Every citizen of the USSR has the right to submit proposals to state bodies and public organisations for improving their activity, and to criticise shortcomings in their work.

Officials are obliged, within established time-limits, to examine citizens' proposals and requests, to reply to them, and to take appropriate action. Persecution for criticism is prohibited. Persons guilty of such persecution shall be called to account. Article 50. In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.

Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organisations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio. Article 51. In accordance with the aims of building communism, citizens of the USSR have the right to associate in public organisations that promote their political activity and initiative and satisfaction of their various interests.

Public organisations are guaranteed conditions for successfully performing the functions defined in their rules. Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.

In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Article 53. The family enjoys the protection of the state.

Marriage is based on the free consent of the woman and the man; the spouses are completely equal in their family relations.
The state helps the family by providing and developing a broad system of childcare institutions, by organising and improving communal services and public catering, by paying grants on the birth of a child, by providing children's allowances and benefits for large families, and other forms of family allowances and assistance. Article 54. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.

Article 55. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the home. No one may, without lawful grounds, enter a home against the will of those residing in it.
Article 56. The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

Article 57. Respect for the individual and protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens are the duty of all state bodies, public organisations, and officials.

Citizens of the USSR have the right to protection by the courts against encroachments on their honour and reputation, life and health, and personal freedom and property. Article 58. Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.

Actions by officials that contravene the law or exceed their powers, and infringe the rights of citizens, may be appealed against in a court in the manner prescribed by law. Citizens of the USSR have the right to compensation for damage resulting from unlawful actions by state organisations and public organisations, or by officials in the performance of their duties. Article 59. Citizens' exercise of their rights and freedoms is inseparable from the performance of their duties and obligations.

Citizens of the USSR are obliged to observe the Constitution of the USSR and Soviet laws, comply with the standards of socialist conduct, and uphold the honour and dignity of Soviet citizenship. Article 60. It is the duty of, and matter of honour for, every able-bodied citizen of the USSR to work conscientiously in his chosen, socially useful occupation, and strictly to observe labour discipline. Evasion of socially useful work is incompatible with the principles of socialist society.

Article 61. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to preserve and protect socialist property. It is the duty of a citizen of the USSR to combat misappropriation and squandering of state and socially-owned property and to make thrifty use of the people's wealth.

Persons encroaching in any way on socialist property shall be punished according to the law. Article 62. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to safeguard the interests of the Soviet state, and to enhance its power and prestige.

Defence of the Socialist Motherland is the sacred duty of every citizen of the USSR. Betrayal of the Motherland is the gravest of crimes against the people. Article 63. Military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR is an honorable duty of Soviet citizens.

Article 64. It is the duty of every citizen of the USSR to respect the national dignity of other citizens, and to strengthen friendship of the nations and nationalities of the multinational Soviet state.
Article 65. A citizen of the USSR is obliged to respect the rights and lawful interests of other persons, to be uncompromising toward anti-social behaviour, and to help maintain public order.

Article 66. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to concern themselves with the upbringing of children, to train them for socially useful work, and to raise them as worthy members of socialist society. Children are obliged to care for their parents and help them.

Article 67. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to protect nature and conserve its riches.

Article 68. Concern for the preservation of historical monuments and other cultural values is a duty and obligation of citizens of the USSR.

Article 69. It is the internationalist duty of citizens of the USSR to promote friendship and co-operation with peoples of other lands and help maintain and strengthen world peace.



Now I wonder if any of these ideas have been going on in Washington recently.

The basic premises is what is wrong here.

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As you see it is the government who is doing the granting and the people who are accepting else they be... :reddot:

Important shit is bold and underlined
Here is the end of the preamble to the USSR constitution vs ours:


Developed socialist society is a natural, logical stage on the road to communism.
The supreme goal af the Soviet state is the building of a classless communist society in which there will be public, communist self-government. The main aims of the people's socialist state are: to lay the material and technical foundation of communism, to perfect socialist social relations and transform them into communist relations, to mould the citizen of communist society, to raise the people's living and cultural standards, to safeguard the country's security, and to further the consolidation of peace and development of international co-operation.
The Soviet people,


guided by the ideas of scientific communism and true to their revolutionary traditions,
relying on the great social, economic, and political gains of socialism,
striving for the further development of socialist democracy,
taking into account the international position of the USSR as part of the world system of socialism, and conscious of their internationalist responsibility,
preserving continuity of the ideas and principles of the first Soviet Constitution of 1918, the 1924 Constitution of the USSR and the 1936 Constitution of the USSR,

hereby affirm the principle so the social structure and policy of the USSR, and define the rights, freedoms and obligations of citizens, and the principles of the organisation of the socialist state of the whole people, and its aims, and proclaim these in this Constitution.


Ours:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


True freedom comes from the individual tyranny comes from the masses. What our founders wanted to create was a system with majority rule without the tyranny of the majority though limited government. IT was also for this reason that senators were to be appointed by states as their job was to be the balance of local government within the federal system. When this was removed all power was concentrated and so began the slow progression of the tyrannical wishes of the masses.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 what was it that We the People had?
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

“Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.”

Let me leave us with one last quote:
“Nothing is more wonderful than the art of being free, but nothing is harder to learn how to use than freedom.”

[inthebutt]

World get your shit together.

[Carmichal]

In the past, I would of considered myself a liberal. Now I'm not a libertarian, and I would rather cut my head off than side with the loony bin a.k.a. the tea party. I consider myself a centrist, but far away from the right.

This whole thing about people being fat, that's their fault! Why am I paying for them if they were the ones to put a big mac, and supper sized fries in their mouth to begin with? Matter of fact healthy things like fruit, veggies, unfried fresh chicken, and whole grains aren't expensive, I bought 5 watermelons for 5 bucks the other day, and cantaloupes for 50 cents each. That's a better snack than chips or fruit snacks, and by volume less expensive. GUESS WHAT FATTIES WATER IS ALMOST FREE. I think I pay a couple pennies for a gallon. Why buy sodas, even if it is diet?

I don't need anybody to tell me I shouldn't do drugs, I'm a big girl I can handle myself. So fuck the DEA.

I think that there should be no law on marriage period. If a church wants to marry people either straight, gay, or are polygamist, so be it. As long as they are all consenting adults. That's a personal choice back the fuck up Washington.

However there are people who need welfare, that won't go away. However, they should close loopholes, any existing children you have can be covered, but if you have more, you're on your own. Condoms are not expensive. That might take care of the welfare mom problem. There should be a timelimit on welfare. Unless you are mentally ill, and not dumb shit like ADHD, Bipolar, or GAD. I mean like schizophrenia that does not respond to medication, or crippling OCD, in which doctors consider a lobotomy, severe mental retarded,or immobile. The government isn't your mama get a job lazy.

I remember some loser, bitch-ass cunt named white stag, who by no surprise is buddy buddy with wassabi. He was BRAGGING about how he can smoke weed all day and play video games because he found a loop hole in the unemployment benefits system. I ask him why he thought that made him any thing more than a loser. I was so livid I screamed his ear out for an hour on vent.

If what this kid did doesn't piss you off, then you are part of the problem. Why would anyone in their right mind give taxes to the government to support this shit? If you don't care fuck off.

Main point is we don't need the government to tell what to do or hand feed us. We are grown ass people time to be responsible for ourselves. Down with Obama-care.

[Steamer]

Main point is we don't need the government to tell what to do or hand feed us. We are grown ass people time to be responsible for ourselves. Down with Obama-care.

Good luck with that. Become 100% self sufficient somehow and it may be possible.

The state and federal government are involved in about every aspect of your everyday life whether you see it or not. Who built and pays to maintain that road you drive on to work? While you and the collective may have paid for it, you do not regulate it, that's just one of many many many examples. To survive and maintain with your individual freedom alone has got to be one of the hardest things one can do in today's society. Maybe find a piece of land that is not under any form of government control and self maintain on it? Even that is overwhelmingly difficult today.

[Rage]

You are all fucking retarded. ObamaCare won't mean shit when the beginning of the end of the world begins December 21st and the zombie apocalypse begins. Just chill and buy some supplies!
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[Carmichal]

Steamer, I understand that we need that part of the government. However when it come to my personal affairs, as in who I want to marry, or if i'd like to spank my kids, or smoke some weed, they should gtfo.

[Chikun]

Doesn't Maynard live in Canada? Let's all move in with him. I'm sure he'd love it.

[maynard]

.....lol

[Rapedollar$]

i wish we could go back to our roots and make this country a republic like it was at its inception.... maybe im old school but all this bullshit is annoying....

[Steamer]

I could pay my taxes with hemp then... FUCK YES!

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Steamer, I understand that we need that part of the government. However when it come to my personal affairs, as in who I want to marry, or if i'd like to spank my kids, or smoke some weed, they should gtfo. steamr gave up, he is only a pawn of what the goverment wishies upon us. sorry for the spelling, my hands are bloody, ill take a picture,




edit: my hands are bloody because i fight for what i believe in, i dont give the fuck up. i dont sub come to the misrebale tyranny of this god forsaken government.

there is a part in every individual that knows, no matter wht, i WILL succeed. Those individuals, earned my respect.



you know what, fuck it! im moving in with maymay.

[Steamer]

You signed your life over to the GOV on that military contract. To say otherwise is a lie and you know it. I have nothing against service members. I highly respect them and what they do for their own reason.

Don't be so naive you stupid fuck.