Zero i'm requesting an option to be looked into and possibly changed

[alex_mamaroneck]

Well i have been playing for awhile and 3 months ago i'm starting to see problems with ranks manipulations... Most of the time its hard to spot and rank manipulator because i mainly follow these rules:

1) Do not use the !stuck or any other command to get away from zombies.
2) No MIC Spamming.
3) Do not block other players.
4) Do not break barricades after they are set up.
5) No glitching.
6) No whining.
7) Respect admins and other players.
8) No gay porn sprays.
9) If there is a problem, post in the forums.
10) Have Fun!
Breaking these rules in any way will result in being punished by admins. Punishemt is in the fourm of slapping, kicking and even banning for times ranging from a few mins to days and forever.

there are a couple of regulars i knwo who were convicted in this rank manipulation: from what i know it means a player spawns after the zombie spawn time, in order to become a zombie and tag all humans to benefit his or her rank. to be honest i have done that not for rank manipulation, but because some zombies don't put up a challenge and makes the game boring. a clan has even admitted to me that he has done it for the same reason i have.
however, i didn't know u can improve ur rank as a zombie. i found that out 3 months ago when a regular was banned because of it.

in conclusion i see the simplest solution to fix this problem and that is to make those zombie tags not count at all. for example:
-if a human kills a zombie (3 points) those points will count for his or her rank.
-if a zombie kills a human, that zombie will get a point BUT it will not count for his of her rank. its should be the same as getting 1,000 points in that Atix trick using a poison zombie. though it will show that that player got 1,000 points in the Tab-scoreboard, but will not count for his or her rank.

i feel that if we cannot change this, we may lose some good regulars and/or maybe even some admins

[ZERO]

I think the real solution is to award points to the people who won when they beat the odds against them as suggested previously.

[alex_mamaroneck]

Well so far players who were banned for rank manipulation was during escape maps. yes, i strongly agree to award points to players who finishes the escape map as humans. but i feel that zombies shouldn't be awarded when they tag humans in escape maps. i would like to have something changed to prevent or minimize rank manipulation. i don't want your servers to lose regulars or admins in the near future.

[NLA]

Well i have been playing for awhile and 3 months ago i'm starting to see problems with ranks manipulations...
Ok, hold the phone, right there is your issue: you actually care about rank. Why? If you're hanging around because rank is important to you, you're missing out on the real fun. But to each their own, so moving right along..



there are a couple of regulars i knwo who were convicted in this rank manipulation: from what i know it means a player spawns after the zombie spawn time, in order to become a zombie and tag all humans to benefit his or her rank.
There's a big assumption at play here: that tagging humans is always an easy give-away for the offending player. Why make this assumption? We're both veterans of the server, have both been admins, are long-time players, and we both know that assumption is absolutely not true.

Also, it used to be that you could only join a round as a zombie if-and-only-if you joined the game late, and only joined late during the first minute or so. And that if you were playing, left and returned, you were slayed for playing the same round twice. Is this not still the case? This should be enough to deter anyone that would try to "abuse" rank.. although this scenario is really not an example of rank abuse at all. At most it could be ghosting abuse, which deserves its own discussion altogether.



however, i didn't know u can improve ur rank as a zombie.
You can't be serious.



in conclusion i see the simplest solution to fix this problem and that is to make those zombie tags not count at all. for example:
-if a human kills a zombie (3 points) those points will count for his or her rank.
-if a zombie kills a human, that zombie will get a point BUT it will not count for his of her rank. its should be the same as getting 1,000 points in that Atix trick using a poison zombie. though it will show that that player got 1,000 points in the Tab-scoreboard, but will not count for his or her rank.
In conclusion, you need to back that ass up, alex. Playing as zombie isn't always a walk-in-the-park free rank boost giveaway. With ZERO's casual tweaks of zombie knockback, zombie health, jump height and whatnot over time, it can take just as much work and skill as a zombie to beat humans as it takes for humans to defend against zombies. It all depends on the map and the players on the server.

Why not reward that skill the same as the human players, who more often than not have an incredible advantage on all maps in the server, and certainly many of the ones that players vote and admins pick?

A generous amount of time to set up and coordinate at the start of every round,
long-range weapons with reasonable damage levels,
fire grenades that can last up to 40-50 seconds,
zombies that give an audible moan to give away location, and
barricades that can't always be pulled apart with zombie push/pull..

..humans tend to have the odds stacked in their favor, and it just keeps getting harder and harder for zombies as ZERO continues to tweak the zombie settings. The zombie side of things seems fine as it is, in my opinion, at least.

Why not reward the underdog, the player who, as zombie, comes from nothing and undoes everything?


i feel that if we cannot change this, we may lose some good regulars and/or maybe even some admins
Name some names, then. Who cares about rank so much that they would rather leave the server than play at all? They may not be players we would want to stick around anyway.

[Meltdown]

Why not remove ranking and all, keep the weapon stats, just remove the fucking ranking and give us the real zombie mod back.

No ranking = no manipulation = less rules = less trouble = more fun = maybe more regs back.

[T3h tyrant]

Why not remove ranking and all, keep the weapon stats, just remove the fucking ranking and give us the real zombie mod back.

No ranking = no manipulation = less rules = less trouble = more fun = maybe more regs back.

True it would stop many problems, but alot of people worked hard for it. The rank system also gives people something to try and aim for like the top 10 or top 50 and keeps them coming back to improve their rank. Im kinda 50 50 on removing the rank system just for the soul reason that it would stop some problems, BUT it is a fun little feature to have.

[Meltdown]

True it would stop many problems, but alot of people worked hard for it. The rank system also gives people something to try and aim for like the top 10 or top 50 and keeps them coming back to improve their rank. Im kinda 50 50 on removing the rank system just for the soul reason that it would stop some problems, BUT it is a fun little feature to have.

I think it showed over the time it is mostly trouble, I think keeping the stats for weapons is enough for people if they want to archive something and the awards ofcourse. I truly believe if the ranking is removed people will have more guts , people will less clusterfuck etc.

[yours' truely]

My rank and stats ARE MY LIFE!

play the game, have some fun. If you want to brag about stats and rank then make a maccaroni posterboard and have your mom put it on the fridge. Take a picture of it and put it on your facebook and have all your friends 'like' it and comment on how well you are doing and how hard you must have worked to get such good numbers. Then when it comes time for you to get a job then you can submit the same maccaroni posterboard of your stats and ranks and use it as professional credentials that will put you above the rest of the other applicants.

TL;DR?
Play, have fun, you don't get any special rewards for doing good or bad.

[NLA]

Why not remove ranking and all, keep the weapon stats, just remove the fucking ranking and give us the real zombie mod back.

No ranking = no manipulation = less rules = less trouble = more fun = maybe more regs back.
+1'd.

Blade and I have discussed from time to time how we wouldn't mind seeing a total rank reset on everyone (including ourselves). Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the whole ranking system itself disappear.

[Meltdown]

+1'd.

Blade and I have discussed from time to time how we wouldn't mind seeing a total rank reset on everyone (including ourselves). Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the whole ranking system itself disappear.

Me too, only problem is some people like the weapon stats etc, i don't mind but removing all would maybe too much.

[Chef C Green]

i didn't know u can improve ur rank as a zombie. i found that out 3 months ago when a regular was banned because of it.

You were here when Hallwagner was still playing...? I think his ban was for a different reason, but one of the complaints on him (aside from the racism and such) was for speccing and going zombie on ze_boatescape (broken one) and raping for the skillpoints. Just saying, this isn't exactly a new thing?

I agree the the BTO mod would be a much more justifiable solution for fixing rank manipulation, because making zombie kills not count is basically taking the fun out of being a zombie. It would be viewed as "Shoot, i just got tagged, can't make any points now, I'm going to go afk and wait till I'm human again.", causing zombies to be even WORSE of a challenge for humans, and probably lead humans to being more daring and going z-hunting. We'd see a rise of scout, knife, and nade kills just because those get the highest points and rank would probably get even FURTHER screwed. You can't favor one side if you want balance... that's all.

As for removing the ranking system in general... meh. Idc about rank so much as weapon stats as Meltdown mentioned, purely because the ranking system has such extremes (I'm like 15-16, and I have 7k or so in skill points? while Fallen has something like 20k+ for #1 spot?). Doing a rank reset (while keeping weapon stats intact if at all possible?) when the BTO mod is voted onto the servers would be a nice "Re-opening of IBIS Z-Mod" to get players stoked, but input from the top 50 or so should be taken into account as most have put a LOT of time into those stats.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

You were here when Hallwagner was still playing...? I think his ban was for a different reason, but one of the complaints on him (aside from the racism and such) was for speccing and going zombie on ze_boatescape (broken one) and raping for the skillpoints. Just saying, this isn't exactly a new thing?

I agree the the BTO mod would be a much more justifiable solution for fixing rank manipulation, because making zombie kills not count is basically taking the fun out of being a zombie. It would be viewed as "Shoot, i just got tagged, can't make any points now, I'm going to go afk and wait till I'm human again.", causing zombies to be even WORSE of a challenge for humans, and probably lead humans to being more daring and going z-hunting. We'd see a rise of scout, knife, and nade kills just because those get the highest points and rank would probably get even FURTHER screwed. You can't favor one side if you want balance... that's all.

As for removing the ranking system in general... meh. Idc about rank so much as weapon stats as Meltdown mentioned, purely because the ranking system has such extremes (I'm like 15-16, and I have 7k or so in skill points? while Fallen has something like 20k+ for #1 spot?). Doing a rank reset (while keeping weapon stats intact if at all possible?) when the BTO mod is voted onto the servers would be a nice "Re-opening of IBIS Z-Mod" to get players stoked, but input from the top 50 or so should be taken into account as most have put a LOT of time into those stats.

I wouldn't care if my stats got reset, if everyone got reset to 0 at a level playing feild it would just create alot of increased activity for the first month or so as players become active to get ahead of others. Maybe then I will see some players actually play certain maps then spectate or leave.

[alex_mamaroneck]

Ness
i don't care about my rank. i actually make fun of my rank in the zm server, i'm sure u know that since u have almost as much hours that i have playing in the ZM. No i will not give those names Ness. i'm not a rat. i mean would you rather have regulars in the server who can cade well, or would u rather have annoying newbie-toddlers who don't know how to spell "SERVER RULES"???

all i ask is to simply remove the points, that are link to a players' ranks, while they are zombies during escape maps

OR

for those players, who log in late or on stay on spectate, they cannot spawn as a zombie until the round is over

Chef-green:
no i honestly didn't know Hallwagner got in trouble for rank manipulation. i thought he got in trouble cause he disrespected a clan. but during his last weeks i would be the first admin he would call when there is a rule breaker. but like i said before i pay more attention to the MOTD rules and this rank manipulation is still new to me

but all i want is for this zm server not minimize the loss of regulars or admins.

[Meltdown]

Reset the rank would be nice and fresh with the new system in place. But Removing the ranking would be much more of help, zombie mod is survival of the fittest and kill on sight or die trying, non of these 2 things I see at the moment in zombie mod, simple because most people care for rank more.

[alex_mamaroneck]

Reset the rank would be nice and fresh with the new system in place. But Removing the ranking would be much more of help, zombie mod is survival of the fittest and kill on sight or die trying, non of these 2 things I see at the moment in zombie mod, simple because most people care for rank more.

ok so how about this:

1) players cannot spawn after zombie spawn time until the next round especially for escape maps
2) reset all ranks in ZM
3) and what zero said: reward humans who finish the escape map

[acolyte_to_jippity]

i agree with giving no rank increase for tagging as a zombie. in addition:

1) completely and 100% remove zspawn. you join late, you wait.
2) remove rank decrease for getting tagged
3) give bonus to humans who survive the map (any map)
4) give good sized increase (weapon dependent) for killing a zombie

[T3h tyrant]

i agree with giving no rank increase for tagging as a zombie. in addition:

1) completely and 100% remove zspawn. you join late, you wait.
2) remove rank decrease for getting tagged
3) give bonus to humans who survive the map (any map)
4) give good sized increase (weapon dependent) for killing a zombie

I do really like this idea.. that would kick ass

[alex_mamaroneck]

i agree with giving no rank increase for tagging as a zombie. in addition:

1) completely and 100% remove zspawn. you join late, you wait.
2) remove rank decrease for getting tagged
3) give bonus to humans who survive the map (any map)
4) give good sized increase (weapon dependent) for killing a zombie

“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” - Albert Einstein

well lets hope Zero can agree on these ideas....
we lost a fellow player :violin: who rank manipulated and came back as another account and got banned again within a week :lmao:

[Meltdown]

Good idea's to work with. We need more zombie with balls and less pussy cluster fuck humans.