dB - STEAM_0:1:12383554 - 07-31-12 21:52

[alex_mamaroneck]

Player dB
Steam ID STEAM_0:1:12383554
Steam Community 76561197985032837
IP address 208.92.19.226
Reason Wallhack

tick:
23500 prefire through vent then ban

there were more evidence before this tick.

[XX0wnsXY]

2400 rounds wall and headshots player after two were already there..may be coincedance.

3300, blatantly starts walking so he can round corner silently when player is behind bombsite wall. Conclusive

12200 - Knows someone is in the vent before they get to the window. He stops and waits until they are visible. Conclusive

13000- rounds tires and waits for the guy to round the corner, steps back and boom headshot

15300 - shoots through smoke at boxes just as a guy comes into sight.

16400 - shoots guy coming around corner, however you can hear steps so may be legit on this tick

22000 - follows a guy through the wall, rounds corner, and instantly headshots him - conclusive

23400 - same as tick 12200.

Not watching any further...in my opinion the conclusive ticks provided are enough

HACKS.

Also, this guy has been banned before by Jiggy, then unbanned, not sure why..but here you go:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A12383554+&Submit=

[ricochet]

Ownsy, I'm concerned that you believe many of those examples are conclusive. The truth is that they are far from it. Did either of you watch the demos with wireframes turned on? I did. In fact, I watched each of those examples many times and I just can't find it in me to call anything conclusive.

Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself. One demo isn't enough to be conclusive about anything. You need to learn to be a better admin and be patient. I've collected dozens of demo's of players before to prove they were walling since it's really the toughest offense to prove.

You have a long ways to go.

I'm going to leave this open for a bit longer to see if the offender defends himself and what others may think.

[ricochet]

Ownsy, I'm concerned that you believe many of those examples are conclusive. The truth is that they are far from it. Did either of you watch the demos with wireframes turned on? I did. In fact, I watched each of those examples many times and I just can't find it in me to call anything conclusive.

Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself. One demo isn't enough to be conclusive about anything. You need to learn to be a better admin and be patient. I've collected dozens of demo's of players before to prove they were walling since it's really the toughest offense to prove.

You have a long ways to go.

I'm going to leave this open for a bit longer to see if the offender defends himself and what others may think.

[XX0wnsXY]

Ownsy, I'm concerned that you believe many of those examples are conclusive. The truth is that they are far from it. Did either of you watch the demos with wireframes turned on? I did. In fact, I watched each of those examples many times and I just can't find it in me to call anything conclusive.

Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself. One demo isn't enough to be conclusive about anything. You need to learn to be a better admin and be patient. I've collected dozens of demo's of players before to prove they were walling since it's really the toughest offense to prove.

You have a long ways to go.

I'm going to leave this open for a bit longer to see if the offender defends himself and what others may think.

you're right..watching with wireframe I am changing my vote. The demos with wireframe show he is not directly tracing players, but I still find some of the ticks stinky..especially the ones where he's sneaking anticipating someone behind the stairs at the bomb site..but oh well. My vote is changed to NO

[alex_mamaroneck]

Ownsy, I'm concerned that you believe many of those examples are conclusive. The truth is that they are far from it. Did either of you watch the demos with wireframes turned on? I did. In fact, I watched each of those examples many times and I just can't find it in me to call anything conclusive.

Alex, you should be ashamed of yourself. One demo isn't enough to be conclusive about anything. You need to learn to be a better admin and be patient. I've collected dozens of demo's of players before to prove they were walling since it's really the toughest offense to prove.

You have a long ways to go.

I'm going to leave this open for a bit longer to see if the offender defends himself and what others may think.

hmmm and other players question why are u talking to me this way as if i'm highly irresponsible. it is because u deleted a thread i posted against u. and that was coward move. but thats ok. cowards do what ever they can to save their credibility.
wireframes or not it is very hard to tell if a player is walling. which is why i stay on spec most of the time. i had players pm's me to watch over ibis servers for a hacker or rule breaker. that is what i do.

the last two people i banned were very good at walling. they are not stupid aiming people through the walls to make it so obvious. as long as they have their enemies on their screen without aiming at them, it will be less obvious
ask ur self: if u are a waller how can u prevent yourself from being caught? and or what new program had come out to wall without being so obvious.

when those two players are banned again, i hope u are their to save them and explain what a wireframe is to convince that admin that he or she is wrong.
so far u haven't convinced me at all
they thought i was wrong before:
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/7648-Mozart-2pm-est-11-12-2012-STEAM_0-0-20632756?highlight=mozart
however, i was proven right by a principled admin
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/7942-Mozart-Ron-Paul-2012-Wallhacks-(YES-AGAIN)

so ricardo, i hope u don't corrupt ibis anymore and wish u the best. i have saved this thread in adobe format in case u cowardly delete this thread to save ur credibilty again or if there is a thread against these two wallers again. good luck :wtg:

[brett friggin favre]

i'll let rico go ahead and continue to batter your already poor image in regards to your personal attacks on him.

i haven't played much with you as you're usually on zmod, but i can tell from the posts i've seen from you that you're far too impulsive and self-assured about every ban you make. you take a few questionable ticks, blow them out of proportion, and make a ban. you also rarely add descriptions to what you're seeing, which is critical in difficult cases. admins need to establish dialogue to discuss what they're seeing. you don't do that. it's nice that you try, but you need to sharpen your skills a lot more and you need to be a bit more humble. you're not the great hacker catcher you think you are, far from it. get off your high horse, take time to look at other ban threads (not to toot my own horn but especially look at ones from me, cyber, steamer, and penis.) and see what we look for, what we see, and how we discuss what we see.

sorry to be off topic. as far as this case goes, fishy indeed but i've seen the same sort of play out of myself and other good, legit players. one of those guys we could keep an eye on, but i wouldn't ban from this.

for catching walls in particular, you have to look at their patterns and playstyle if it's not completely obvious. see how/if they change their movement or looking patterns based on the movement and placement of enemies they shouldn't know the whereabouts of. also watch how often they prefire, check corners, etc. as a good prefire can look like obvious walls, but could be just lucky guessing.

[ricochet]

alex,

consider this your last warning before further action is taken against you.

I don't appreciate the incredibly disrespectful way you are dealing with me!

Your bogus abuse thread was deleted because it was bogus. No other reason. I don't appreciate you call ing me a coward for doing it either. You are firmly on my shit list now, buddy. It's a place you won't like being.

This thread is closed and db's ban will be overturned. Next time, don't submit a ban without having first at least viewed it in wireframe.

Additionally, all of your other bans are going to get reviewed as well.