DARK Yushun STEAM_0:1:3243002 01/09/12

[CYBER]

Name: Dark yushun
Steam id : STEAM_0:1:3243002
banned by: cyber
reason: aim assist.

Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A3243002&Submit=

Demo attached: i have to admit most initial tick marks are a bit sluggish, but when you hit the green tick you;ll see what i mean... unfortunately there was some technical error where carmichal accidentally changed the map... i probably would have seen more pistol aim assist as he seems to toggle on very specific guns that dnt usually spray well, and towards the end of the game.


tick 21800 weird ak shot,
25k scout tug
30k... weird crosshair movement on p90,
42k slightly weird tugs on some guns until he dies
44400k tug,
44900 absolute bs obvious AIM ASSIST!!! (this was the tick that had me go watch him)
the glock shooting at 45900 had also weird movement...

[brett friggin favre]

gah this is a tough one cyber...i see exactly what you're talking about but his crosshair snaps everywhere, not just to players. yes there's some jiggle as well, but we've seen that in spec glitches many times. he says he was recording this, i posted on his unban thread to attach his demo. since we may have that as a second resource i'd like to take a look at that before i vote.

[CYBER]

gah this is a tough one cyber...i see exactly what you're talking about but his crosshair snaps everywhere, not just to players. yes there's some jiggle as well, but we've seen that in spec glitches many times. he says he was recording this, i posted on his unban thread to attach his demo. since we may have that as a second resource i'd like to take a look at that before i vote.

... the SAME jitter was seen in in-game, in a personal demo from that game (which im sure i recorded) and in sourcetv...
when the same behavious shows up in-game and live-sourcetv... it makes u wonder...

im gonna go pull my sex fix demo and personal demo, see what is going on .

[CYBER]

ok. here's whats gonna happen: im posting 2 demos, 1 personal, 1 sourcetv , of the sex fix map just after (the ticks arent that super duper awesome, but its to prove a point).

keep in mind that personal demos always have server lag and whatnot included, whereas sourceTV are more live, and motion is more smooth and not laggy.

Personal with sb_Status:
6k sniper
19500 snap to head barely behind wall
21000 scout aim assist


To compare with sourcetv:
10k,
23k
and 25k


For same ticks as personal.
As u can see the snaps are WAY stronger in the personal rather than live which is smoothing out shots BIG time. So now i take u back to those blue arena ticks, these were on the same sourcetv , literally the previous map.
So if anything those ticks are even more smoothed out than what they rly are, but they were more obvious snaps in game which made me go spec him in game in the first place (u can tell by my comment at 45k in arena that it was VERY bs shot...)

[brett friggin favre]

i'm gonna give yushun a bit more time to post his own demo. i've watched him a few times and haven't seen much of anything similar to this. yes, it looks fucked up in a few spots, especially in your personal demo. however it also looks like a number of source spec glitches we've seen time and time again, albeit more pronounced. take a look at these players at the following ticks and post your thoughts:

Cyber ibis.a: blue arena, 17500, 21800, 39500, 41800
maynard <ibis>: blue arena, 7400, snap at 12500, 23300. sex fix, 7000.

personally, what i see there is the same exact movements we see on yushun, though a bit more pronounced in most cases. that could be due to rates, ping, lag spikes, anything like that but the movement signatures i'm seeing don't scream aim assist to me, though the snappiness would lead us to believe otherwise. also, his stats are mediocre at best, his headshot % is fairly low, has no history of bans anywhere, no other account could be found for him.

[Steamer]

Inconclusive. The server is laggy, spec seems fucked up a bit on ALL players in source. I have speced dark a number of times, and while some of his shit seems questionable, nothing has ever been concrete. I can't make a legit vote with this evidence. I'm voting no, but not to hacks, more so that the evidence submitted is below par.

[brett friggin favre]

yushun posted his demo, it looks fishier than anything else but the entire thing looks like his rates are fucked up, which just really supports the lag/rate theory here. still i'm not seeing anything outside the range of source spec bugs. keep an eye out, but this isn't enough for me.

2 for unban, unbanned, closed.