rules are rules or are they

[noisypuppet]

Admin's INGAME name:hotfuzz<ibis.A>
You're INGAME name:Noisypuppet
Server:wcs
Map:de_cbble
Date & Time: 11/04/2012 - 06:03:53

How did he/she abuse (See TOS):
i was disagreeing with someone about special nades and kayakujutsu counting as wards
9. No fire-nade or poison-smoke nade spamming the objective.
this is the closest rule to any sort of dictation on the subject and it does not state anything of the like

@ 5 minutes is when the first disagreement takes place between vanilla and myself. after this i try to let it go.
@ 6 hotfuzz says that he is one of the admins that are telling people this rule that i can't find on the list.
@ 12:30 is when vanilla rejoins the server and instantly starts with me again.
@ sometime in here i link them the rules and hotfuzz goes afk as if reading it but after that says nothing except when hes joking with vanilla or shit talking me.
@ 26 minutes hotfuzz kicks me while trying to make this report.

now if this were a rule why is it not on the list of rules?
is this another case where players are expected to just know that you guys have some rules made up that aren't listed anywhere?

im not asking for you to ban hotfuzz or take his admin away because he could just be another misinformed admin
or it could be i that am misinformed but my source is the rules list itself. which you guys would then need to actually do a little work for once and type out the updated rules.

something like this needs to be clarified before someone gets banned for the wrong reason.

[Stan]

I'd say whatever does damage to you over time, especially the Kayakujutsu, are considered wards?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

kyaku are considered wards. they always have.

[tj26]

ya anything that prevents people from doing the objective is considered a ward, the only possible abuse here is for him kicking you when you were in spec for less than a minute which is borderline. I might have to keep an eye on vanilla tho says he asked fuzz to do it just to be a general douche even tho vanilla sits in spec constantly


EDIT: And after checking again this was about warding a dropped bomb not in the bombsite which really can't be enforced anyways because the ct's only see the bomb if someone's looking at it, only really punishable if you can prove intent of doing it imo.

[What]

The Strider wards are wards, pretty obvious, and special grenades are pretty much summed up in the rule you quoted so what the issue? Nade spam objective with nades is not allowed, nor is throwing posion/fire nades on them.

[brett friggin favre]

well without a demo i'm a bit confused. i have no idea what happened, what the disagreement was, who was on which side...

strider wards are wards. that should be pretty obvious. as far as poison nades go...that's a tough situation, used to be they weren't allowed on objectives, now the wcs rules state that they're allowed but are not to be spammed, while the server rules state that smoke nades aren't allowed on objectives at all.

for the rule on strider wards, refer to rule 5:
5. Wards are not allowed to fully block an objective. Warding rooms that contain hostages is not allowed, however, if a shadow hunter is summoned to the objective, the shadow hunter does reserve the right to drop his wards. This rule applies too strider as well.

saying it applies to strider implies that strider wards are just as much wards as shadow hunter wards are. but again...i have no idea whose side im on here as i have no idea who's on what side. no demo...and without a demo, maynard's gonna jump in and close this when he gets a chance. and since i don't like you, i'll let you find the demo yourself.

edit in response to tj26's edit: warding the dropped bomb is illegal. we understand mistakes happen, you might not have known you were doing it, but it is illegal. usually i'd say a warning would be in line, but a kick isn't exactly the worst thing. also as stated before, strider wards to count as wards. despite contradiction between the rules pages, i'd say poison nades are ok as long as theyre not spammed, as with any other objective, as that's how we've been handling it for some time now, but keep in mind that may be officially changed back to the way it used to be soon. as for fuzz, if he saw the ward himself and knew that noisy had placed it, he's perfectly fine in using a kick. however if he did it purely on hearsay, it probably should've just been a warning, which knowing you noisy, would eventually lead to a ban because of you calling him out. i'm not the one who makes the calls in this section but from what i can gather, i can see no abuse here as the bomb was indeed warded. however it could've been handled better, and now we all know better for future reference.

[noisypuppet]

sorry ment to include that demo

to clarify the bomb dropped on top of boxes between bombsite b and t spawn inside the building.

someone had dropped a kayakujutsu and it was near the bomb.

vanilla told hotfuzz that he watched me drop the "ward" directly on the bomb even tho i was playing dragon fly.

so can you drop any special nade on objective zone at all?

it seems like the word "spam" was used to point out that you could but if not then omitting it from the rules could clarify this.

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[brett friggin favre]

so can you drop any special nade on objective zone at all?

it seems like the word "spam" was used to point out that you could but if not then omitting it from the rules could clarify this.

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http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...Nade-Rule-Vote

[maynard]

the server rules regarding smoke nades don't matter in WCS as it's a diff game set up, so stop bringing it up...

people can use them on an objective provided they don't fully block it... as it's been for a long time.

post a demo, or I'm closing this.