Constitutional Rights

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

The more guns the more deaths because of it. We had pretty good discussion yesterday on nl tv and we basically all agree. America still lives with the tough they need to defend themselves against terror attacks and think everyone needs to own a weapon. Especially most mid south states. The time great Britannia ruling is over, 200 years over but still people are clinging on that law made back then. It is the mindset of the people of america that need to change, like someone else said very nicely, like what happens with marten luther king, accidents where needed to change the mindset of the american people, and these accident recently might do it again. although i highly doubt it. Here in europe we almost have no weapons compared to the usa. and here the conflict with it is like 200% lesser that is a fact.

So i think america should look into the mirror and deep into it, why can we do it here without and why can the Americans not do it. It is the state of the mind.

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

[brett friggin favre]

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

[Rage]

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

[Meltdown]

It is a constitutional right for Americans to own firearms, not to protect themselves from terrorists.. but to allow the citizens to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. The reasoning behind these proposed bans is due to politicians blaming the item used to kill rather then holding the individual accountable. A criminal is a criminal, criminals break laws. Creating new laws will not prevent them from breaking them. If a deranged mentally ill person wants to kill people, he will do so. That will not change by outlawing firearms. You not only have your punch line facts wrong, you do not understand how a ban like this would effect this country. Police men and women to soldiers who swore an oath to protect our constitutional rights will not stand idly by while the government takes them away.

I leave you with this to think about...

If you hand wrote a nasty letter to your boss that resulted in you getting fired from your job, was it your fault or the pens?

This is where your wrong. but i guess you will never understand why.

U guys are being filled with information that ain't right, you just believe what u want to believe. I don't need to proof anything, hell i care if you guys shoot your own people. All i can tell we got it much and much better here in Europe.

[StarsMine]

.... again there are many places in europe more violent then the US. Violent crime... is not common in the US, just that the violent crime in the US commonly has guns.

[SCRIBBLE]

Violent crime... is not common in the US.

Are you sure you want to stand by that statement?

[Penis シ]

The 2011 arrest rate for violent crimes was 172.3 per 100,000 inhabitants; for property crime, the rate was 531.3 per 100,000 inhabitants.
By violent crime offense, the arrest rate for murder and non-negligent manslaughter was 3.5; forcible rape, 6.3; robbery, 34.5; and aggravated assault was 128.0 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants.

But it IS important that this does NOT include Assault 1, which is violent crimes not committed with a weapon that result in serious bodily injury. These crimes are much more numerous.

[Nemesis]

But it IS important that this does NOT include Assault 1, which is violent crimes not committed with a weapon that result in serious bodily injury. These crimes are much more numerous.

How do you guys classify your assaults? I know it's different from us. And what's the difference between assault and battery?

We have:
Assault
Assault Causing bodily harm
Assault with a weapon
Aggravated Assault

I think what qualifies as each is different here too. I know that a consensual fight doesn't count as assault but I think it's different for you guys.

[Penis シ]

Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

This allows for both Stars and Scribble to be right in their own ways. As far as gun violence goes, We have the most guns per capita and yet, we only have the 28th highest rate of gun related crime.

To address Mikey; Europe, as a whole continent certainly does have a higher gun crime rate than the U.S. But per 100,000, the U.S. stands higher. If we were to include our continent, I think we rank WAY higher in both ways.

My argument is not about statistics, though. It's about civil liberties. I believe that people should be able to buy all the rope they want. What they choose to do with it is of their own consequence.