Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

This allows for both Stars and Scribble to be right in their own ways. As far as gun violence goes, We have the most guns per capita and yet, we only have the 28th highest rate of gun related crime.

To address Mikey; Europe, as a whole continent certainly does have a higher gun crime rate than the U.S. But per 100,000, the U.S. stands higher. If we were to include our continent, I think we rank WAY higher in both ways.

My argument is not about statistics, though. It's about civil liberties. I believe that people should be able to buy all the rope they want. What they choose to do with it is of their own consequence.