Constitutional Rights

[StarsMine]

no... US is number one for gun violence per capita in the first world.

[Nemesis]

But it IS important that this does NOT include Assault 1, which is violent crimes not committed with a weapon that result in serious bodily injury. These crimes are much more numerous.

How do you guys classify your assaults? I know it's different from us. And what's the difference between assault and battery?

We have:
Assault
Assault Causing bodily harm
Assault with a weapon
Aggravated Assault

I think what qualifies as each is different here too. I know that a consensual fight doesn't count as assault but I think it's different for you guys.

[Penis シ]

Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

This allows for both Stars and Scribble to be right in their own ways. As far as gun violence goes, We have the most guns per capita and yet, we only have the 28th highest rate of gun related crime.

To address Mikey; Europe, as a whole continent certainly does have a higher gun crime rate than the U.S. But per 100,000, the U.S. stands higher. If we were to include our continent, I think we rank WAY higher in both ways.

My argument is not about statistics, though. It's about civil liberties. I believe that people should be able to buy all the rope they want. What they choose to do with it is of their own consequence.

[Nemesis]

Well Nem, my point was to say that by the numbers, it appears that we have less violent crime. But that's due to blatant statistic manipulation. I felt it was important to note that for that statistic; the one most often stacked against others in argument, the numbers don't mean what most would say they mean.

Oh my question had nothing to do with this thread, I'm just curious. Talking common sense gun control with Americans is like talking rocket surgery with retards; they're fucking retarded so don't waste your time.

[Penis シ]

Oh, in that case; Canadian statistics include the latter 3 of the categories you posted. They also include robbery, murder, rape, and just about anything else violent beyond a fist fight. The United States measures a statistic that is titled the same but while it has rape, murder, robbery, it doesn't include violent assault committed without a weapon. That's argued to be a tipping point in the statistic that makes America LOOK less violent without actually addressing any problems.

[Nemesis]

Oh, in that case; Canadian statistics include the latter 3 of the categories you posted. They also include robbery, murder, rape, and just about anything else violent beyond a fist fight. The United States measures a statistic that is titled the same but while it has rape, murder, robbery, it doesn't include violent assault committed without a weapon. That's argued to be a tipping point in the statistic that makes America LOOK less violent without actually addressing any problems.

Nvm. But on a different note how the hell do you not include common assault in violence statistics? Stupid Americans.

[StarsMine]

probably cause its a misdemeanor. Getting in a fist fight with someone isnt much of a crime in my eyes. Though what does getting the shit beat out of you in an alley count as, cause thats a bit more of a crime.

[Nemesis]

probably cause its a misdemeanor. Getting in a fist fight with someone isnt much of a crime in my eyes. Though what does getting the shit beat out of you in an alley count as, cause thats a bit more of a crime.

Getting in a fist fight isn't a crime at all, here in Canada anyways. A consensual fight nullifies the last element of assault so it's not a crime. If you beat the guy to death or extremely badly, however, it can be.

[StarsMine]

In not very well versed in the specifics of the law, but I am fairly sure that is a felony and counts in violent crime

[Nemesis]

In not very well versed in the specifics of the law, but I am fairly sure that is a felony and counts in violent crime

Not always. In Canada it's summary and indictable offenses instead of misdemeanor and felony. Most of our offenses are Duel, which means they can be one or the other, given the circumstances. I'm not as fluent in American law as I am in this, which is why the questions.