Fuck the viqueens.

[brett friggin favre]

don't mean to sound like a fanboy...but brees 4 mvp. seriously, the saints have the worst defense in nfl history...dead last, ever...and still win 7 games? without their head coach? then again i wanted to give peyton manning the mvp last year even though he didn't play, just because of the difference he clearly had on the colts.

[Nemesis]

don't mean to sound like a fanboy...but brees 4 mvp. seriously, the saints have the worst defense in nfl history...dead last, ever...and still win 7 games? without their head coach? then again i wanted to give peyton manning the mvp last year even though he didn't play, just because of the difference he clearly had on the colts.

I was about to be upset and call you a dumbass but now I see you're joking.

[brett friggin favre]

I was about to be upset and call you a dumbass but now I see you're joking.

half joking. so you should be half upset can call me a half-wit instead of a dumbass. i'm kinda on the fence in regards to my feelings on this one.

[StarsMine]

wtf happened to the redskins game, I missed the second half.

[Nemesis]

half joking. so you should be half upset can call me a half-wit instead of a dumbass. i'm kinda on the fence in regards to my feelings on this one.

Brees lead the league in Picks, he had less TDs and a worse record than anyone else in the conversation. MVP isn't about what you have to work with, it's about what you do.

wtf happened to the redskins game, I missed the second half.

You saw RGIII hurt his knee in the first? well it got worse, at one point in the 4th skins are on the hawks 4yrd line. There was a high snap and he goes up to get it and as he comes down his leg buckles, he drops the ball and the hawks get it. That's your ball game. Not sure how serious it is yet.

[brett friggin favre]

Brees lead the league in Picks, he had less TDs and a worse record than anyone else in the conversation. MVP isn't about what you have to work with, it's about what you do.

get your facts straight, yes he led the league in int's but he brett favre'd it, also leading in touchdowns and yards, ~900 more than rodgers. he's the first in nfl history to go over 5000 yards 3 times in his career, and in back to back years. and who does he have to throw to? a 7th rounder out of hofstra, an undrafted free agent from toledo...the only one of note is a 3rd round tight end out of miami. now all are household names. when you break down the mvp, you're looking for the most vaulable player, the player of most value to the team. not just the best in terms of statistics, but the one who is more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. i think that's been lost in translation. when you look at that (and consider what matt flynn was able to do with that green bay offense last year, holy hell that was a game), it comes down to peyton manning and brees in my eyes. wouldnt mind manning, my grandpa's friends with archie.

[Chikun]

wtf happened to the redskins game, I missed the second half.

RGIII's knee contorted in an unnatural way. They had a good first quarter but after that it's like their offense stopped playing.

[Nemesis]

get your facts straight, yes he led the league in int's but he brett favre'd it, also leading in touchdowns and yards, ~900 more than rodgers. he's the first in nfl history to go over 5000 yards 3 times in his career, and in back to back years. and who does he have to throw to? a 7th rounder out of hofstra, an undrafted free agent from toledo...the only one of note is a 3rd round tight end out of miami. now all are household names. when you break down the mvp, you're looking for the most vaulable player, the player of most value to the team. not just the best in terms of statistics, but the one who is more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. i think that's been lost in translation. when you look at that (and consider what matt flynn was able to do with that green bay offense last year, holy hell that was a game), it comes down to peyton manning and brees in my eyes. wouldnt mind manning, my grandpa's friends with archie.

MY facts are straight, unfortunately your grasp of reality isn't. According to you Tim Tebow should have been the MVP last year because of what he did. MVP is not the best player with the worst supporting cast. And saying Graham is a nobody, after having some of the greatest seasons at the position ever is ridiculous. You try to make his team sound bad by purposely not naming them, stop trying to skew things your way. If I did that Rodgers STILL comes out ahead of Brees, watch: Rodgers was without his starting RB, the backup RB and the third string RB. He was missing his top WR for all but two games. He was missing a majority of his offensive line and the stop gaps they picked up could not preform. Rodgers was under pressure more than any QB in the history of football and yet was still able to out perform Brees.

There is no world where Brees comes close to Rodgers unless its the race to retirement.