(iReaper) Benihime STEAM_0:0:50856523 10-02-13

[acolyte_to_jippity]

sadly, i'm going to have to agree w/ nem on this one, though i do think benihime should be immediately perma banned, i do not think that it is a good idea to do so based soley on a steam conversation with cyber. i'm not saying cyber is lieing, far from it. i fully belive him, and i fully believe benihime did in fact admit to hacking on ibis servers. BUT...if we let this happen now, it'll allow people an easy way to ban others "for cause" by just messing w/ their names and screenshotting "admittance" convos...yet i still want this cunt banned.

:sigh: there is no point in anyone else posting here. this is soley for zero and clan to decide.

[brett friggin favre]

sadly, i'm going to have to agree w/ nem on this one, though i do think benihime should be immediately perma banned, i do not think that it is a good idea to do so based soley on a steam conversation with cyber. i'm not saying cyber is lieing, far from it. i fully belive him, and i fully believe benihime did in fact admit to hacking on ibis servers. BUT...if we let this happen now, it'll allow people an easy way to ban others "for cause" by just messing w/ their names and screenshotting "admittance" convos...yet i still want this cunt banned.

:sigh: there is no point in anyone else posting here. this is soley for zero and clan to decide.

except to say this: don't turn this into a snowball fallacy. this isn't some new thing, this is based off precedent. it's been done before, and there's been no rash of bans made off of steam conversations.

[Nemesis]

except to say this: don't turn this into a snowball fallacy. this isn't some new thing, this is based off precedent. it's been done before, and there's been no rash of bans made off of steam conversations.

That's not what a snowball fallacy is. Snowball fallacy claims that, if you take one step in a certain direction, you will get yourself into a series of sticky situations from which you will be unable to extricate yourself. You take one step onto the slippery slope and you'll end up falling all the way down. This fallacy ignores treats all similar situations the same and fails to note that we are free to assess and judge each particular situation independently, if we so choose Basically what you're doing.

What you're doing is creating case law, which is a real thing and which is fine, if it can be even and equally applied to all situations. What I'm trying to show you is that if it is ok this time, it will be ok for all times, regardless of who is bringing it forward, unless you can get someone higher up to come out and say that the rules only apply to specific people, or to specific people more than others.

If you're saying that each situation show be regarded by who is presenting it rather than what is provided, please delete this thread(http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...rver-Rules-1.7) as it no longer means anything and should not be used to confuse new admins. Also consider changing the admin agreement to "It doesn't matter what you say, only who you are." This should help with further disagreements.

[Erdenay]

Just throw in one thing - these 2 people have already been banned for level farming. I'd say their credibility is next to none. Add this along with the fact that numerous admins have been on their tail for a while now with the evidence here. Just putting it out there.

[Nemesis]

Just throw in one thing - these 2 people have already been banned for level farming. I'd say their credibility is next to none. Add this along with the fact that numerous admins have been on their tail for a while now with the evidence here. Just putting it out there.

you were banned by the people of the server. Everyone must hate you because you're black.

[Spasm]

"Closing threads early still?

"This has nothing to do with fluffy as fluffy never came out and said he was using he hacks, he was just being accused of them on other sites. Mistral and Benihme have been problems on the wcs server for a while now. Both were caught blatantly level farming and Benihime being an admin. I was being told of this conversation anyways and the dude straight up admitted to hacking on our servers. Cyber doesn't give enough shit to try and mod a screenshot to get someone banned. Permaban imo and it was what I will vote. Closed."


Between you and Cyber, I'm not sure who's trying to twist stories more, are we in high school? I received a grand total of 1000-2000 xp, if you recall. I see players feed 10x that in one game by breaking rules they already know, this alleged farm where we were just fooling around.

You're mad because you deserve to be banned, and I had over 10 instances where I blatantly caught you hacking and sent a replay in. You're using a biased opinion and invariably you're mad about past situations that were massively exaggerated by none other than you.

There is one language we all speak and that's money, I'll talk to Zero and see if he's okay with this level of behavior from his admins at all given times. From the day I entered I could hardly stand being in the server simply because of the power hungry admins on a 10 year old game. I merely tolerated it because Benihime wanted me to tool some complete newbs with him. His admins behavior affects his ability to profit and I doubt he will allow this kind of behavior to continue for long, even if Benihime is still banned, I'm sure things will change soon. "

Mistral his friend to me in a PM after I closed this thread. I could careless if we ban them, they both are fucking trouble, both have been suspected of hacking without any steam chat etc, both have been blatantly caught level farming. Fuck them, do what you want ZERO.

Would also like to point out that an unban thread could have been made instead of reopening this one; isn't that how all ban threads are handled, that way other people can vote on it as well? Given that they already have a reputation of breaking rules and bad attitudes IMO the steamchat is enough to ban but maybe other clan or ULA don't think so.

[XX0wnsXY]

Well i need to ponder on this. My first instinct is to agree with all of nemesis' points.

But there is just one question that is bothering me...why would benehime turning on his walls help at all to determine if a player is hacking? I mean..ive never used walls so im not sure if im missing a point, but...then you have to ask, even if it did help....whats the problem with watching a demo in wireframe? Benehime surely knows how to do that.

Edit: read the convo again and got then sense that it was used in spec....which would let him see....however, wireframe.

Also, why would you be using benehime as an informant? Benehime was caught level farming, not hacking..so in your mind, what use would he be to you other than to blow smoke up your ass?

[brett friggin favre]

if you would take into consideration demos from other communities. got one right here. attaching it, and linking to the thread ( http://hellsgamers.com/topic/73884-p...n-this-hacker/ )

the demo shows obvious multi-hack, walls and aimbot. the kicker? he's wearing his ibis.a tag, and ireaper tag.

[XX0wnsXY]

Alright im going to go ahead and vote yes on this.

First of all, i was unaware this was handled by other clan members before...

Also, Watching this demo..they are undeniably hacks. Mistral, IMO is hacking, which doesn't fare well for benehime since they sometimes share accounts. I say get rid of both of these assholes.

[Assassin]

The evidence does seem to support a boot to the ass. Whether or not nem agrees.