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[SupermanTM]

Hey,

So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans. Though i am sure this is why you allow map changes nonstop by admins, it makes you money as everyone gets annoyed and buys admin to counter other admins poor map choices. I heard Wookie bought admin to avoid being slapped around, but that's heresy anyway.

An unrelated idea was to remove RTV, and just make it so a map has to be won 3 times by humans, before a map list comes up and the map changes. (Most maps are boring after 3 rounds anyway, and some take 6 rounds to win 3 times) so it balances out.

[Xerenix]

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Nominate and RTV is there for when a admin isn't on so removing it is useless.

Hey,


Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

This is where you are wrong, it's still ghosting even if the players location is known to everyone. If you feel he abused his admin powers(which in my opinion, he didn't) then go ahead and make a abuse thread with proof.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans.

You could but i wouldn't advice it since just by reading this post, my guess is that you won't keep it very long.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hey,

So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans.

the admin who has been on the server the longest retains the right to choose which maps we go to. that is how it has always been done. there is no rule regarding giving players a choice or a vote. too many ZM's? zm maps are really the only good ones.

and as far as ghosting goes, it doesn't matter if one zombie knows. dead players still cannot give information to living ones, unless EVERY single living zombie already knows where the people are.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Hey,
So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.
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Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans. Though i am sure this is why you allow map changes nonstop by admins, it makes you money as everyone gets annoyed and buys admin to counter other admins poor map choices. I heard Wookie bought admin to avoid being slapped around, but that's heresy anyway.

Senior admin (the admin that has been in server the longest or any clan member) retains the right to change the map, regardless of what the players or admins that connect to the server later think. Provided that map changes are not rapid, as in several times within a short span of time, though. They are allowed to change it "nonstop" in the sense that they can essentially establish a queue of maps (as long as they stay in server), but stay on each map for most, if not, it's entire run.

Your suggestion to remove rtv and nomination because "why have it there if the server is not for the people" sounds like whining and bitching rather than legitimate advice. In the case that it is the former, then you can go fuck yourself because no one likes whiny bitches and their tears. Your suggestion is unreasonable and bad. What if there is no admin in server, and no one wants to play the current map. And what if there is an admin, but they don't want to exercise their powers? So please, just stop.

In the case that you do buy admin, changing the map when you are not senior admin and other abusive behavior can lead to your admin rights revoked, without any refunds. Contrary to what you believe, some admins have their hands tied tighter than some of the players do. Follow the rules; don't get high on the immunity from most admins, because the warnings issued to abusive admins scale much faster than those issued to regular players. But it sounds like you aren't serious about subscribing, and are just qq'ing again. Sucks to suck.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

From what I'm reading, you weren't the ghoster and was trying to argue the definition of ghosting. Although your definition of ghosting is wrong, if you feel that you were not treated properly by admin Ledgeby, you may visit the admin abuse section of the forums and follow the stickies and procedure carefully. Investigation, verdict, and (possibly) punishment will not be carried out unless you do your part. Discussing it outside of the admin abuse section and without adequate proof is a waste of breath and annoying

An unrelated idea was to remove RTV, and just make it so a map has to be won 3 times by humans, before a map list comes up and the map changes. (Most maps are boring after 3 rounds anyway, and some take 6 rounds to win 3 times) so it balances out.

Entirely subjective. Most opinions will differ from yours.

[anex]

Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Who the fuck did that? RTV should never be disabled. Ever. We'll yank admin map privileges for that. Was there at anytime RTV votes being cancelled?

Admins, don't ever let me catch you pull that shit.

[SupermanTM]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

[B1ackOut]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

Rtv and nominate have been know to fail before I have seen it and all it takes is a mapchange to fix. Senior is chosen by time on the server, unless a clan member (has <ibis> as tag not <ibis.a>) comes on which would cause them to be the senior admin. As to the constant map changing, when does this happen? Sure I may not play as much as I used to, but I pop my head in every few days but I rarely see any admin use powers to change the map, rapidly or not.

Also zm maps will forever be superior to ze maps.

[Bane of Soldiers]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

Yes, the first. Senior admin is the admin who connects to the server first and thus the admin that has been in-server the longest. It is not based on whether you have had an older admin subscription. In the case of after-a-map-change and the occasional server crash, the previous senior admin retains his/her privilege. Sometimes, a senior admin may delegate this privilege to another. Admins who have been afk for a while lose it and the next admin in line obtains it. Clan members may also claim senior admin rights when they play, if they so wish.

It can't hurt to save a personal account of things imo, but Source TV records demos 24/7: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...Links-to-Demos
The map names, dates, and times (in EST I think, haven't used it in a while) are all listed from oldest (top) to newest (bottom). Should be noted that old demos are deleted over time, and you should not expect to find demos older than 5 days.

In the case that a user is actually "talking back" and not trying to sort things out, punishment typically scales: warning, short mute/gag, longer mute/gag or kick, and then ban if the user persists. That's how I did it anyway.

From my experience, rtv and nominate can be rather fickle, and as Blackout said, will fail at times. I don't have a large sample size to base this off of, but I think that if an admin sets the next map in queue, either through vote or console command, rtv and nomination will not work. That is why I like to find out what maps people want to play next and then use a set map, change map, or map vote command when the map nears ending, rather than deciding and setting what everyone will play next before round one ends.

[jwtemp]

Who the fuck did that? RTV should never be disabled. Ever. We'll yank admin map privileges for that. Was there at anytime RTV votes being cancelled?

Admins, don't ever let me catch you pull that shit.

I've definitely seen admins flat out cancel RTVs before after choosing a map basically only they wanted to play. Should this be reported in the future as admin abuse?

[SupermanTM]

Ah well thanks for all this feedback.

So whats the difference between a clan member? and an admin? Who are the clan members how did they generally get to be clan members? Just been around a long time?

I said that i've been playing the past few weeks, but on this Steam account i started in 2010 according to the server. It's a new steam account because my old one i lost the password to, think it was hacked. So i likely started on IBIS before that, but unsure of the exact dates, maybe 2008 makes sense. So i hope there is no offense taken as in: this guy started yesterday and has opinions. lol

As for talking back, Omega it's fine i agree with you.

Why would you say ZM is superior? Most people run to the same spot, in which the cade is so strong you could just AFK there and win. Of course you wont get any kills. It's either a crushed crate in which you can put a vending machine (or a vending machine spawns). Someone should remove the 2 vending machines that spawn inside the crushed red container from zm lila panic beach..that container is way overpowered. i don't know it just seems that every map has 1 or 2 cade spots which are impregnable by zombies, unless the humans inside don't know how to cade it, or destroy it with a grenade. (many are actually grenade proof.. )

All these maps could be edited to make them slightly more challenging for humans. Otherwise on ZM most of the challenge is for zombies, or noob players. ZM might have been the best 5 years ago. But now when you have players who know the maps, and played for so long it's better to make the maps slightly harder for humans. (there are some hard ZM maps) but they are rarely played on. I usually run to the hardest to cade spots, while one guy will run to same room/vent every round and get 20 kills.. then he brags he has more skill than me. LOL i dunno..

Ze is way more random, everyone has a chance to die, noobs make things unpredictable, you need more teamwork on a grander scale. When the zombies are good, you really need to defend as there is no unstoppable cade to prevent you from dying. You can't AFK during a whole round. Etc. For me skill is equal to the amount of risk you take, and if you survive while doing it. If you take no risks you basically have no skills.

I'm not saying ZE is better, just that ZM could be improved. I chose IBIS for so many years because you have both ZE and ZM. Otherwise id just play a ZE server.

Was there at anytime RTV votes being cancelled?

Cancelled? Like a map was already chosen? And the admin just changes map without warning? Yes, happened once. We were at the end of voodoo, making votes for next map. It was 14 for Parking, and 13 for another escape map. We won the parking vote. Corpsman changed the map to ZM Desert fortress. Not saying this to get him in trouble, just if you guys decide its dumb maybe you could talk to the admins and let them know not to cancel votes? You guys already said admins can change map to whatever they want, so i am confused.

By changing maps, the admins usually just change the map, wait for the maps full time to end. Then they choose the next map. So it's not rapid map changing. It's just 3 hours while admins are on no one really has a say in what map to play.