Tis Espiana Mishka STEAM_0:1:36241645 03/12/2013 11:25AM

[StarsMine]

Yea I just watched the churches demo, The jitter was there on evryone. problem with the demo?
Also the ticks you gave were all explained by him actually seeing the player he was shooting at before he shot with the exception of the last tik @ 24500, Though the prefire could be just that prefire.

Wonder if the pool day demo is just as jittery

Edit: pooldays was more convicing, nor did it skip all over the pace like churchs.
42000 and 46000 were very fishy but I did not see anything at 47000

[jwtemp]

Not sure why the Churches demo is skipping all over the place. I've re-downloaded it from the FTP site and attached it to this post.

I should note that the original demo, as downloaded and uploaded, played fine for me. Hopefully this one plays properly. I'm confident if you see the demo proper, you'll agree with my mentioned ticks.

[brett friggin favre]

just not enough for me. fishy and definitely keep an eye out, but based on what i see here i'm voting no.

[jwtemp]

@StarsMine - Just re-read your post. At 47000 he clearly shoots at an opponent that's standing behind a wall with the Five-Seven (might be slightly after 47000 but it's close to that).

Wow. Did the Churches demo play properly for you Brett? Thought I had a sure fire case here. I'll be more careful in the future and get plenty of evidence before making the ban.

[brett friggin favre]

@StarsMine - Just re-read your post. At 47000 he clearly shoots at an opponent that's standing behind a wall with the Five-Seven (might be slightly after 47000 but it's close to that).

Wow. Did the Churches demo play properly for you Brett? Thought I had a sure fire case here. I'll be more careful in the future and get plenty of evidence before making the ban.

nah it was all jumpy, tried both of them. not sure why...but anyway, i was able to see enough in that demo and it's just not conclusive to me. it happens man, no worries. and hell i may be wrong too, that's why we have multiple ula/clan vote for a final decision.

[jwtemp]

The remainder of Churches after 24500 is where the best evidence came into play, but I felt the ticks before were enough even without the remainder of the evidence.

That said, watch the end of the demo of Churches and watch Tis get his knife kill. He literally starts running up the stairs on church right side, turns around, looks directly at the wall, sees an opponent through it then jumps out and knifes [FLOT] Annoy right in the back. That was the coup de grace for my banning.

There were some others as well after 24500 and before the knife kill. Even with the bounciness (something I'm not experiencing) it should be pretty apparent he's walling, but meh. Let's see what others think.

@ 47000 you could clearly see the guy that he was shooting at, well at least his leg.

The churches demo all the provided tiks(except the last) he saw the person before shooting, no tracing or prefire that I saw. I was running it @ 20% speed with the wireframe.

Damn, I must have missed that. Thanks.

[XX0wnsXY]

Sorry Jaydubya. I can't see a permaban in this case. It's okay..you'll get the next one, buddy!. Unbanned.

[StarsMine]

@ 47000 you could clearly see the guy that he was shooting at, well at least his leg.

The churches demo all the provided tiks(except the last) he saw the person before shooting, no tracing or prefire that I saw. I was running it @ 20% speed with the wireframe.

I just didnt see enough to feel comfortable saying that he was hacking.