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[SupermanTM]

Hey,

So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans. Though i am sure this is why you allow map changes nonstop by admins, it makes you money as everyone gets annoyed and buys admin to counter other admins poor map choices. I heard Wookie bought admin to avoid being slapped around, but that's heresy anyway.

An unrelated idea was to remove RTV, and just make it so a map has to be won 3 times by humans, before a map list comes up and the map changes. (Most maps are boring after 3 rounds anyway, and some take 6 rounds to win 3 times) so it balances out.

[Xerenix]

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Nominate and RTV is there for when a admin isn't on so removing it is useless.

Hey,


Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

This is where you are wrong, it's still ghosting even if the players location is known to everyone. If you feel he abused his admin powers(which in my opinion, he didn't) then go ahead and make a abuse thread with proof.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans.

You could but i wouldn't advice it since just by reading this post, my guess is that you won't keep it very long.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Hey,

So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans.

the admin who has been on the server the longest retains the right to choose which maps we go to. that is how it has always been done. there is no rule regarding giving players a choice or a vote. too many ZM's? zm maps are really the only good ones.

and as far as ghosting goes, it doesn't matter if one zombie knows. dead players still cannot give information to living ones, unless EVERY single living zombie already knows where the people are.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Hey,
So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.
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Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans. Though i am sure this is why you allow map changes nonstop by admins, it makes you money as everyone gets annoyed and buys admin to counter other admins poor map choices. I heard Wookie bought admin to avoid being slapped around, but that's heresy anyway.

Senior admin (the admin that has been in server the longest or any clan member) retains the right to change the map, regardless of what the players or admins that connect to the server later think. Provided that map changes are not rapid, as in several times within a short span of time, though. They are allowed to change it "nonstop" in the sense that they can essentially establish a queue of maps (as long as they stay in server), but stay on each map for most, if not, it's entire run.

Your suggestion to remove rtv and nomination because "why have it there if the server is not for the people" sounds like whining and bitching rather than legitimate advice. In the case that it is the former, then you can go fuck yourself because no one likes whiny bitches and their tears. Your suggestion is unreasonable and bad. What if there is no admin in server, and no one wants to play the current map. And what if there is an admin, but they don't want to exercise their powers? So please, just stop.

In the case that you do buy admin, changing the map when you are not senior admin and other abusive behavior can lead to your admin rights revoked, without any refunds. Contrary to what you believe, some admins have their hands tied tighter than some of the players do. Follow the rules; don't get high on the immunity from most admins, because the warnings issued to abusive admins scale much faster than those issued to regular players. But it sounds like you aren't serious about subscribing, and are just qq'ing again. Sucks to suck.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

From what I'm reading, you weren't the ghoster and was trying to argue the definition of ghosting. Although your definition of ghosting is wrong, if you feel that you were not treated properly by admin Ledgeby, you may visit the admin abuse section of the forums and follow the stickies and procedure carefully. Investigation, verdict, and (possibly) punishment will not be carried out unless you do your part. Discussing it outside of the admin abuse section and without adequate proof is a waste of breath and annoying

An unrelated idea was to remove RTV, and just make it so a map has to be won 3 times by humans, before a map list comes up and the map changes. (Most maps are boring after 3 rounds anyway, and some take 6 rounds to win 3 times) so it balances out.

Entirely subjective. Most opinions will differ from yours.

[anex]

Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Who the fuck did that? RTV should never be disabled. Ever. We'll yank admin map privileges for that. Was there at anytime RTV votes being cancelled?

Admins, don't ever let me catch you pull that shit.

[SupermanTM]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

[B1ackOut]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

Rtv and nominate have been know to fail before I have seen it and all it takes is a mapchange to fix. Senior is chosen by time on the server, unless a clan member (has <ibis> as tag not <ibis.a>) comes on which would cause them to be the senior admin. As to the constant map changing, when does this happen? Sure I may not play as much as I used to, but I pop my head in every few days but I rarely see any admin use powers to change the map, rapidly or not.

Also zm maps will forever be superior to ze maps.

[Omegxkid]

Hey,

So first of all lots of map changes by admins over the past few weeks i have been playing here.

One person might complain about a map, the admin would just change the map to Roy the ship, Desert, or 420 beach strike. The problem with this is that there was no !vote called to see if majority wants a map change. As well the maps are always ZM and always the above 3 overplayed maps which the GMs prefer. This is fine if it's once or twice, but i've seen admins changing maps for three hours straight sometimes in the evenings. Likewise at least three times we won a map vote and there was interest by the majority to play that map, and suddenly we arrived at Desert, Roy, or Beach strike instead. Just this Saturday or Friday nominations and RTV were disabled for a map or two.

Now i think Admins feel they are paying 11$ and they can change maps whenever they want. If that's the case then it's your rules, your server. But you should altogether remove nominate and RTV. Otherwise why have it there if the server is not for the people? You could just have an admin map day. Like Friday Nights admins can change maps all day to whatever they want.

Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back. But he was talking about ghosting with mic to another person. And all i said was it's not ghosting if 1 zombie knows where you are. Since your location is known already you can't be hiding. This is not talking back as he never told me to do something and i refused. He never said stop breaking a rule, and i argued with him. As i wasn't breaking any rules. I was just talking in general about ghosting. Not even about his situation.

Anyway i could just buy admin, and change maps to whatever i want, and avoid rage bans. Though i am sure this is why you allow map changes nonstop by admins, it makes you money as everyone gets annoyed and buys admin to counter other admins poor map choices. I heard Wookie bought admin to avoid being slapped around, but that's heresy anyway.

An unrelated idea was to remove RTV, and just make it so a map has to be won 3 times by humans, before a map list comes up and the map changes. (Most maps are boring after 3 rounds anyway, and some take 6 rounds to win 3 times) so it balances out.

supermanTm- (Also i was just banned by Ledgeby, for talking back,) this is not at all what or who ban u I was the one that Ban u for 10 min because after u were kicked for talking out agains the admins who told someone to stop ghosting, u then came back in and fallowed up by crying about being kicked when you were asked to stop talking back, then you just keeped on and i even gave u a fair 2 warrnings and u did not stop, so u got a 10 min ban, plz if you are going to cry and rant about something tell the full story not just some and have all your facts in oder, also we almost 100% of the time do map votes and or will post up a vote to see what maps people want, the only time a map is changed is when people are all bitching about how bad it is thats about the only time i ever see a map change without some kind of vote.

[Bane of Soldiers]

^Sarcasm?

Yes Nomination and RTV were both disabled. Commands didn't work. Not making it up. Not here to get people 'punished' or i would have listed names of the map changers etc. NOT sure who did it, or which admin was on, i already forgot what day it was, but it was just a few days ago. Just letting you know it did happen.

My ban was for less than 30 minutes, so not as big a deal, was more curious on peoples thoughts. Through inference, i gathered that talking back is one way to get banned, as that was the reason given before i was banned. But pretty much i was banned for having a different opinion on a rule. But yeah it's not important enough for an abuse ticket. Thanks for the information though.

In the future if i do want to provide proof for anything. Isn't there server logs? Wouldn't i just need exact time an event happened? i don't use a mic currently. Otherwise for in game proof i suppose i would use a video recorder.

How is senior admin determined? First admin logged in? Or longest time as an admin? Or is it a promoted/given position?

Yes, the first. Senior admin is the admin who connects to the server first and thus the admin that has been in-server the longest. It is not based on whether you have had an older admin subscription. In the case of after-a-map-change and the occasional server crash, the previous senior admin retains his/her privilege. Sometimes, a senior admin may delegate this privilege to another. Admins who have been afk for a while lose it and the next admin in line obtains it. Clan members may also claim senior admin rights when they play, if they so wish.

It can't hurt to save a personal account of things imo, but Source TV records demos 24/7: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...Links-to-Demos
The map names, dates, and times (in EST I think, haven't used it in a while) are all listed from oldest (top) to newest (bottom). Should be noted that old demos are deleted over time, and you should not expect to find demos older than 5 days.

In the case that a user is actually "talking back" and not trying to sort things out, punishment typically scales: warning, short mute/gag, longer mute/gag or kick, and then ban if the user persists. That's how I did it anyway.

From my experience, rtv and nominate can be rather fickle, and as Blackout said, will fail at times. I don't have a large sample size to base this off of, but I think that if an admin sets the next map in queue, either through vote or console command, rtv and nomination will not work. That is why I like to find out what maps people want to play next and then use a set map, change map, or map vote command when the map nears ending, rather than deciding and setting what everyone will play next before round one ends.

[jwtemp]

Who the fuck did that? RTV should never be disabled. Ever. We'll yank admin map privileges for that. Was there at anytime RTV votes being cancelled?

Admins, don't ever let me catch you pull that shit.

I've definitely seen admins flat out cancel RTVs before after choosing a map basically only they wanted to play. Should this be reported in the future as admin abuse?