Omegxkid<Ibis.A> admin abuse

[RofLoLmao]

Admin ingame name: Omegxkid<Ibis.A>
My ingame name: RofLoLmao
Server: ZMod
Map: castle_redemption and zm_dessert_fortress
Date and Time: Friday May 10th around 00:11:00 2013 and Saturday May 11th around 18:57:04 2013
How did he/she abuse: Well on Friday just a tad bit earlier this admin slayed four players including me without any warning and for no reason. We were not in illegal cades or anything on castle_redemption map. The other players were in the vent and I was in the cade area with fence with the vending machine. Today, on the dessert fortress map I was banned automically for 30 mins because I think I made an illegal cade which someone can verify but that does not warrant a ban. I was not warned with typing and I have voice_enable 0 on so if he was trying to communicate through the mic I would not have heard. Either way, no warning, kick, then ban.

Proof: Well I forgot how to show the exact source TV on the incidents but I have screenshots. 2013-05-11_00001.JPG2013-05-11_00002.JPG

[brett friggin favre]

there's no context for those screens to fit into. you need to upload the demo. http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...Links-to-Demos

p.s.: i think you've been around the block plenty enough times to not need warnings.

[phil.™]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

[Bane of Soldiers]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

[phil.™]

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

[Bane of Soldiers]

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

Hmm, I think you're taking my input the wrong way. I was hoping to clarify what sounded like speculation on your part. I guess I'm confirming your opinion too.

My goal was to simply caution others against treating this case specially because of some fancy door. I too, am trying to get this case along faster. So rather than "technically not illegal" it is "not illegal"

[jimmay]

Only two people are allowed per vent opening. In castle_redemption I interpret this to mean if the door is closed then a max of two people are allowed in the vent. Closing the door effectively reduces the number of vent openings to one. If my interpretation is correct then one of those three people in the vent needed to fall back into the room or otherwise GTFO. Either way, I don't see where Rofl was at fault.

[RofLoLmao]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...in-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...dvType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Thank you phil. The thing is all I wanted was prior warning but I honestly did not know you couldnt cade both spots on dessert fortress because I've seen so many people do it in the past without any punishment. Other than that, the ban is over, but it still seems out of line since it is warn/slay/kick/ban right? Also, what about the slaying on castle redemption?